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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.11.16 13:52:00 -
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hi peeps. i have been looking into the client for memory leaks etc. i have found a few problems and they have been fixed by the correct person. in general the client is running better on kali (no comments about server lag, it's being looked into) but i want to know where people are getting or think they are getting memory leaks on TQ atm.
thx
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Asquiro
Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:11:00 -
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well..i don`t know if i am the only one that has this issue..but sometimes when i minimize eve client..it frozes..and it starts eating up ram..sometimes pagefile goes to 2 gb and i have to close the client or reboot computer..cpu is also stuck at 100%
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:44:00 -
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- Switching between chat channels after the client has been running for some time freezes the client and memory usage increases.
- Jumping through a lot of systems seems to cause large amount of memory usage after some time, probably because of eve not releasing memory / using memory efficient.
- Infact, everytime the client freezes for some reason, memory jumps skyhigh. This happens usually after the client has been running a little while and you try to get information from server e.g. market information, character information.
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.16 14:51:00 -
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Opening the market in space can cause pauses in the game
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TheDarkForce
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Posted - 2006.11.16 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: TheDarkForce on 16/11/2006 15:39:10 once ya been in a system for a while either npcing or pvping then jump to nxt it laggs nicely and eats up a fair bit of ram, also if ya take to long to do a plex i seam to start having problems with mem leaks and me gunz not shooting although they are on
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Valator Uel
Caldari Pax Minor Asylum Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sharkbait i have found a few problems and they have been fixed by the correct person.
lol, this made me laugh. Slave programmers ftw!
On a more serious note: On TQ I sometimes get memory leaks in the following situations: - Loading complexe areas (missions, stations in Jita, busy gates etc..). I'm not talking about server lag but the client freezes up for sometimes 5 min (after which I just restart EVE). I can see my memory being eaten up on my memory manager. - With two clients open, I sometimes get mem leaks when loading any area takes place (as above but in quiet areas) - Sometimes when targeting lots of NPC's using ctrl+clicking causes my client to lock up for a few secs.
I don't know how helpfumm these can be, is there a way we can give better (more technical) reports?
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2006.11.16 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Valator Uel
lol, this made me laugh. Slave programmers ftw!
On a more serious note: On TQ I sometimes get memory leaks in the following situations: - Loading complexe areas (missions, stations in Jita, busy gates etc..). I'm not talking about server lag but the client freezes up for sometimes 5 min (after which I just restart EVE). I can see my memory being eaten up on my memory manager. - With two clients open, I sometimes get mem leaks when loading any area takes place (as above but in quiet areas) - Sometimes when targeting lots of NPC's using ctrl+clicking causes my client to lock up for a few secs.
I don't know how helpfumm these can be, is there a way we can give better (more technical) reports?
I donŠt think that this sort of problems are related to memory leaks. A leak is existant, when memory is not given free, although it is not required any longer. Normally it is noticed, when after doing some stuff for several hours the memory usage of the client is increasing (steadily). The problem of Asquiro could be a memory leak.
At the moment I donŠt know of any reproduceable memory-leak myself, but IŠll keep my eyes open. For a time travelling through many systems filled my memory up, but I donŠt know, if this is still existant.
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Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar CAD Inc. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:07:00 -
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I've almost always got two clients running, and I notice this problem regularly after a number of hours (3-8). I'll go through a jump gate and be frozen, alt+ctrl+del to get the task manager and notice that one of the clients isn't being handled quite right. Usually, it'll be using no CPU, but 4-5 times the amount of RAM of the other client that's open. It's almost like a processing dump instead of a memory dump. If I right click on the process (exefile.exe) and increase its priority to above normal, the client unfreezes and everything is fine. Reduce priority back to normal and I'm good.
This is only a temporary fix and generally I reboot soon afterwards. My hypothesis is that there's some loop in a processing calculation, likely having to do with loading a new environment (happens on undock sometimes too) that's eating up CPU time. Unfortunately, I don't know much about coding, but that's my educated guess from tech support experience.
If it was a RAM issue, a memory leak, then I wouldn't expect increasing the priority to fix it, but it seems to take care of the issue, at least temporarily.
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Spei Prodetor
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Posted - 2006.11.16 20:36:00 -
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swapping between fullscreen and windowed it was that or windows to fullscreen used to cause occasional lock ups or black screens though i've not attempted this in a couple of months so it may have been fixed as things like this are usually left out of patch notes.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2006.11.16 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 16/11/2006 21:24:37 I spent the majority of my CS classes looking for missing semi-colons, so I'm not much of an expert, but have you considered using/do you use any automatic code analysis systems? http://www.coverity.com/ being one example.
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Harisdrop
Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.17 03:04:00 -
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If you run two client in different folders you can play for about 2 hours then you better be safe you going to lock up and you will see the game freeze for a minute or two. It eventually comes back.
There are ways to test if your client is about to die. Open you mail, then your wallet, then your people and places with places selected and open your largest folder of BM.
I think what the CCP has said they saw was lag was not the players saw . We have seen this client lag-memory leak for about 2 years. I think it was the players fault for not articulating the problem. If this patch comes out and there is no client lag-memory leak I think I will cry.
Originally by: Dwight Hammerhead . Just because Kali is already in testing. If CCP were actually concerned about what ppl think they would of opened it up for discussion.
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Miss Overlord
Gallente EUROPEANS
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:19:00 -
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aye checking market changing chats or checking wallet seems to bring it on atm the current build is a lot better than previous but still fairly bad worse than TQ
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Ralitge boyter
Minmatar DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.11.17 11:32:00 -
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So far I have seen that over time (duh, it's a memory leak) memory consumption grows and grows.
- When moving from system to system and region to region the previous location seems to be left behind or at least bits of it.
- The more you open the market the more memory you are going to need
- Lots of players and NPC's on the screen seems to cause increases of memory usage that do not completely go away after killing them all
Think those are the main things, escrow in the non Kali client is high on my suspect list but I have not looked at the memory behaviour under Kali so no comments but a little hint
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.11.17 15:16:00 -
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ok , there was a slight problem npc's atm. they was cauing a slight leak on the client, this has been fixed. only problem with them at this time is they use alot of cpu on the server, it is being looked into why this is happening.
there was a problem with missiles, basically when they disappear from the UI they remain in the client, this is fixed now. but this had no effect server side.
i am looking into the market, i haven't found anything yet but it could have been fixed as a result of 1 of the other fixes.
but this is kinda my second task in life atm, the main goal atm for me is the server issues and lag we are having.
the client in general is running alot better, it's only using memory as needed and it is releasing it as it should. i am still looking into it, just need any information people can give me.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.11.17 16:15:00 -
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Looks like the player base are on it Sharky.
Great to know you are too.
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FosterK
Caldari Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.17 18:26:00 -
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Awesome!
/me gets giddy about Kali
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VortiK
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: VortiK on 17/11/2006 19:43:43 Having audio enabled cut client's fps by twice which is the main reason for almost everyone to play without it.
Also sounds usually get there source missplaced. Not sure if it's a sync problem but if you look at a npc for exemple, you'll hear it shooting. Now if it is moving around you'll see that the sounds isn't coming from where the npc actually is anymore. Hope you see what I mean.
Oh and some sounds are somewhat too high in volume even when you are zoomed far out. Rocketts are an obvious exemple.
Maybe you could look into it and see if it can be improved ?
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Commander Spectre
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Posted - 2006.11.17 19:42:00 -
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Man go out an buy a couple new hamsters for the crappy test server ya got or something. I can't get in most of the time and when I do, (after an hour or 10 of cussing and stupid notices saying 100 people is all it can handle...cheap), I'm lagged so bad I can't do anything.
And traffic advisories are just making it worse. They pop up constantly adding even more lag. Who was the idiot that came up with that? Kick him in the head for me will ya? If you take out all of the unnecessary notices in the game I bet lag will be cut in half. Who even cares if a gate 75 jumps away is closed anyways? I suppose if you were there you'd figure it out when ya got to it.
So buy a hamster or another blade server that can handle more than my old 98 compaq that I use for a doorstop or something.
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Ed Gein
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.11.17 19:50:00 -
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I think people are missing the point of this thread. Sharky wants to know where we think the server is leaking, not the client. Though I am not sure if he really means TQ, or SISI. Also not sure why he thinks we should know unless its just a general idea/opinion . What I dont understand, is why its so hard to find the leaks. Now I understand Eve is a massive program, with loads of alloc calls, but when I used to write a lot of code, there always seemed to be some apps out there that could monitor all alloc calls, and frees.
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Sharkbait
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Posted - 2006.11.17 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Commander Spectre Man go out an buy a couple new hamsters for the crappy test server ya got or something. I can't get in most of the time and when I do, (after an hour or 10 of cussing and stupid notices saying 100 people is all it can handle...cheap), I'm lagged so bad I can't do anything.
And traffic advisories are just making it worse. They pop up constantly adding even more lag. Who was the idiot that came up with that? Kick him in the head for me will ya? If you take out all of the unnecessary notices in the game I bet lag will be cut in half. Who even cares if a gate 75 jumps away is closed anyways? I suppose if you were there you'd figure it out when ya got to it.
So buy a hamster or another blade server that can handle more than my old 98 compaq that I use for a doorstop or something.
the test server is getting 10 more nodes added to it. so it's getting an increase from 10 nodes to 20 nodes. but however, i will state that we are not increasing the hardware on sisi to ignore the lag issues on the server. the new hardware isn't being added til the lag problem is solved.
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.18 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Imperil on 18/11/2006 01:52:26 After letting my computer run EVE, sitting in a station doing nothing, after a 3 hour period the memory has rised from 40k to 170k.
Maybe it has to do with how chat logs are stored into a log file?
EDIT; And of course switching between channels at this time causes freezes depending on text displayed.
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xaix ikkul
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Posted - 2006.11.18 05:58:00 -
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if I have alot of chat windows open at one time after awhile the game slowly starts to eat more and more memory until I restart the game and if you click the different tabs on the chat menu theres a very noticable and somewhat long "pause" until the text displays and this does not happen until you've been playing for an hour or two.
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Kala Veijo
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.11.18 16:03:00 -
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Dunno if this belongs here but..
My Fps is horribly low in sisi. Normally its around 90. Now its 35. Does anyone else have so dramatic decrease?
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Loyal Servant
Caldari Cornhole Inc. The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.11.18 17:32:00 -
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This is probably something you guys know already, and may even practice.... My ways of finding leaks are either using a profiler, or just simply reading the code.
You guys have enough people over there that you break it down so that one person works on one thing, another works on something else, etc.
What about peer review? Nobody is perfect, expecially programmers. (I am so far from perfect... :P)
Anyhow, my observation on my systems is like this..... I run Eve fullscreen for the most part. When I need to change voice channels on vent/ts I alt+tab eve and jump into the respective client and change my channel.
What I have noticed is that doing this repeatedly over time, eventually the client will start to leak. This is the live client mind you, I have not had the time to try this on the new one, because the server seems to be rebooted whenever I get on :(
Anyhow, Eventually I will alt+tab enough and the ram usage will keep climbing and what happens is that a session change event (docking, jumping, warping) will cause a crash to desktop, and not all ram on the system will be freed - requiring a reboot.
I can only tell you that constant alt+tab will cause a leak, and eventually if you do it enough, and leak enough it will crash on a session change. Hope this is useful.
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Kittamaru
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Posted - 2006.11.18 20:23:00 -
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A temporary solution I've found works is to use a RAM management program. MaxMem works well as it's relatively small and will "force free" the ram on command. Just make sure you are somewhere you can stay for about 3 minutes as it takes a while for the PC to re-allocate the Ram.
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Commander Spectre
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Posted - 2006.11.18 21:34:00 -
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Quote: the test server is getting 10 more nodes added to it. so it's getting an increase from 10 nodes to 20 nodes. but however, i will state that we are not increasing the hardware on sisi to ignore the lag issues on the server. the new hardware isn't being added til the lag problem is solved.
Well thanks Sharkbait I glad to know something is being done. I just got a bit frustrated cuz I have been having so much trouble getting in and staying in the game. I'm trying to figure out what the leak causes are but the dissonects and lag keep getting in the way. It's quite difficult to tell what's going on when you can't stay in the game and everything takes 5 min. to happen...but I'm trying.
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Gaunty
Lunar Dawn
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Posted - 2006.11.19 06:24:00 -
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I get a problem where if i'm playing Eve for a long time and then quit it, sometimes i get a BSOD and i have to restart my computer. Not sure if it's related at all to this though. *shrug*
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Imperil
Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:37:00 -
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Also when EVE freezes and crashes, or you decide to close down the Window yourself. ExeFile.exe is still running in process, using all your ram. So you have to manually shut it down from the process menu.
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The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.11.19 14:58:00 -
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Show info on players sometimes causes my computer to stress real nice. Same goes for loading their employment history and standings and such. When I have 6 npc's spamming missiles at me it also jumps here and there, I think you need to make us able to turn missile effects off.
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solidshot
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.11.19 15:07:00 -
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On tq as well as opening the market in space if you open the alliance ranking page that also causes a "pause" in the game
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