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Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 It started in 9UY at the start of the month. UNITY resistance was non existant, with BE forces dominating the system at all time. Even Ushra'Khan's capital ships could not push BE forces away and after almost loosing a Thanatos, UNITY launching any form of resistance. Moments of notice include killing the Brotherhood of Steel Obelisk in about 10 seconds (and him not logging!), then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. Anyway stats: Ship classKL Assault frigate150 Battlecruiser260 Battleship791 Capsule 2013 Carrier 00 Command ship22 Covert ops20 Cruiser 560 Destroyer00 Dreadnought00 Exhumer 00 Freighter10 Frigate 393 Heavy assault61 Industrial690 Interceptor283 Interdictor46 (inc alts ) Logistics00 Mining barge10 Mothership00 Recon ship61 Shuttle 240 Titan 00 Transport30 Start date:2006-11-01 End date:2006-11-17 Kills:570 Losses:14 Damage done (ISK):13247.3055M Damage received (ISK):749.715M Runtime:16 days Efficiency:94.64% As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are.
turnschuh Eye of God	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:06:00 - [2] Edited by: turnschuh on 17/11/2006 20:07:32 nevermind
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:07:00 - [3] === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Shin Ra As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. I feel hostility, Captain! -[23] Member- Awesome new space games site, from the editor of E-ON!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:12:00 - [5] ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread.
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:12:00 - [6] lol i like that you have titan and motherships on kills/losses
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Darknesss lol i like that you have titan and motherships on kills/losses copy and paste, we re all a bunch of lazy people Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:18:00 - [8] LMAO , I am no friend of CVA's but I am friendly ( polite ) to them , when chatting to someone while idling I mentioned BE and I predicted that in a few days there would be an announcment on eve-o about how BE pwnz and stuff , you've made my day . Also I didn't say to the chap but I always wonder why you don't seem to announce when your contracts start but always seem to show the results/numbers killed , Take that as you wish as I am ofc a nobody just interested me thats all . , If I am wrong about the above comment I apologise . As for CVA personally I've flown in the area a while now and found them to be very capable pilots and no need to log , their tactics i don't like but thats what happens when you go to thier space and ofc I fly solo so anything more than 2 pilots I consider blobbing
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:18:00 - [9] Originally by: Shin Ra But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Incorrect. Initial engagements actually ended in clear-cut victories for the CVA, particularly with the destruction of a night-hawk and cerberus and subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden. CVA then enacted a policy of killing your interdictor alts, which would also result in subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden pilots. Over the past few days, between the hours of 2300-0500 Eve-time, Burn Eden were rarely to be seen and CVA had clear control of r3-k7k. Indeed, it seemed that when our forces were off-shift is when Burn Eden would finally make an appearance. Can't fault the efficiency. Burn Eden have developed very solid tactics which minimize their risk and maximize the risk of any defensive fleet. I feel CVA pilots learned a fair bit dealing with your forces over the past week. You're very good at what you do.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. I guess its a good thing then that no one cares what you think. Perhaps you should go make some more forum posts elsewhere.
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Shin Ra But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Incorrect. Initial engagements actually ended in clear-cut victories for the CVA, particularly with the destruction of a night-hawk and cerberus and subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden. CVA then enacted a policy of killing your interdictor alts, which would also result in subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden pilots. Over the past few days, between the hours of 2300-0500 Eve-time, Burn Eden were rarely to be seen and CVA had clear control of r3-k7k. Indeed, it seemed that when our forces were off-shift is when Burn Eden would finally make an appearance. Can't fault the efficiency. Burn Eden have developed very solid tactics which minimize their risk and maximize the risk of any defensive fleet. I feel CVA pilots learned a fair bit dealing with your forces over the past week. You're very good at what you do. Those two ships were lost to you at the same time as us killing your ships. You can confirm that by our killboard, not to mention the fact that if we did log we would not be picking up all the loot. PS. The reason you dont see us in the last few days is because we are NOT there anymore.
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. The photoshop stunt that shin ra pulled was to try to stir up some trouble with certain parties and get a laugh out of it. All our stats are on our kill board, so be my guessed in counting and verifying them all if u think they are fake.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:24:00 - [13] Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:24:02 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Shin Ra But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Incorrect. Initial engagements actually ended in clear-cut victories for the CVA, particularly with the destruction of a night-hawk and cerberus and subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden. CVA then enacted a policy of killing your interdictor alts, which would also result in subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden pilots. Over the past few days, between the hours of 2300-0500 Eve-time, Burn Eden were rarely to be seen and CVA had clear control of r3-k7k. Indeed, it seemed that when our forces were off-shift is when Burn Eden would finally make an appearance. Can't fault the efficiency. Burn Eden have developed very solid tactics which minimize their risk and maximize the risk of any defensive fleet. I feel CVA pilots learned a fair bit dealing with your forces over the past week. You're very good at what you do. Incorrect. All meaningful engagements were won by us. You did not win one single fight.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:25:00 - [14] I'm probably the worst pilot in the whole CVA...and even I managed to sail through your pathetic little bubble camp with impunity. Ho-hum. Go flash your epeen to someone who cares.
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Shin Ra As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, proving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. I feel hostility, Captain! hmmm, hostility :) more like publicity
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:26:00 - [16] Originally by: Garreck Initial engagements actually ended in clear-cut victories for the CVA, particularly with the destruction of a night-hawk and cerberus and subsequent log-outs by Burn Eden. Erm, iam the one who lost a cerb and a nighthawk, and its not the first time i did. look buddy you need to stop bulls**g your self. Cerb was a good kill, falcon and arazu deadlocked next to me, jammed and scrambled nothing i could ve done. Nighthawk was meant to be a 1v1 agaisnt a tempest, i have logs of your guy saying it in local, i warp to him think the other 2 bs wont fight, you all locked me and jumped in 10 other people, it was only me online at that time and lord who was in a ss, thats the story for you, now twist it or change it, it still just a virtual ship to me. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:26:00 - [17] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. I guess its a good thing then that no one cares what you think. Perhaps you should go make some more forum posts elsewhere. QFT. impressive efficient stats. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:27:00 - [18] Originally by: Snodgey2004 LMAO , I am no friend of CVA's but I am friendly ( polite ) to them , when chatting to someone while idling I mentioned BE and I predicted that in a few days there would be an announcment on eve-o about how BE pwnz and stuff , you've made my day . Also I didn't say to the chap but I always wonder why you don't seem to announce when your contracts start but always seem to show the results/numbers killed , Take that as you wish as I am ofc a nobody just interested me thats all . , If I am wrong about the above comment I apologise . As for CVA personally I've flown in the area a while now and found them to be very capable pilots and no need to log , their tactics i don't like but thats what happens when you go to thier space and ofc I fly solo so anything more than 2 pilots I consider blobbing Why would you warn those you are about to kill? Its hard enough to get them to come out and fight without them knowing when we are going to be there. Fact is UNITY at least tried for a few days, while CVA would not engage unless it was against 1 damage dealer. Soon as a second threat came into the sceen they would run/hide. Sometimes warp in at 250km with an eagle and kill a vigil, that was their best offence.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:28:00 - [19] Originally by: SATAN PS. The reason you dont see us in the last few days is because we are NOT there anymore. Aye, we watched your forces move out early this morning. Yes, CVA lost ships. Perhaps half a dozen battleships, several inties and a couple of tech 1 cruisers that I'm aware of. And the local populous got well hammered when CVA was not in position. But yes, the sacrifice of these vessels "usually" led to retention of control of r3 for hours-long periods of time. When it didn't...well, darn, good job, you out-did us Obviously I can only speak for the times when I'm on station (as mentioned above.)
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:28:00 - [20] isnt shin ra that guy that posted some fake stuff before?? your word is worth 0
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Snodgey2004 LMAO , I am no friend of CVA's but I am friendly ( polite ) to them , when chatting to someone while idling I mentioned BE and I predicted that in a few days there would be an announcment on eve-o about how BE pwnz and stuff , you've made my day . Also I didn't say to the chap but I always wonder why you don't seem to announce when your contracts start but always seem to show the results/numbers killed , Take that as you wish as I am ofc a nobody just interested me thats all . , If I am wrong about the above comment I apologise . As for CVA personally I've flown in the area a while now and found them to be very capable pilots and no need to log , their tactics i don't like but thats what happens when you go to thier space and ofc I fly solo so anything more than 2 pilots I consider blobbing Of course there a eve-0 announcment, its for the better of people who .....***** u know. Noone needs to know when the conntract starts the killboards tell u that, also why would we want people to know before hand ? so they can make a logg off bubble manual ? and tell all their members to stay docked..... nahh
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:31:00 - [22] Originally by: Roxanna Kell , and its not the first time i did. look buddy you need to stop bulls****g your self. Cerb was a good kill, falcon and arazu deadlocked next to me, jammed and scrambled nothing i could ve done. Nighthawk was meant to be a 1v1 agaisnt a tempest, i have logs of your guy saying it in local, i warp to him think the other 2 bs wont fight, you all locked me and jumped in 10 other people, it was only me online at that time and lord who was in a ss, thats the story for you, now twist it or change it, it still just a virtual ship to me. Good. I would hate to think we riled you up or anything
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:31:00 - [23] Originally by: heidrun isnt shin ra that guy that posted some fake stuff before?? your word is worth 0 Yes, yes it is.
DrSIn Amarr In The Face Productions	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:33:00 - [24] nice stats shin. i dont think anyone needs to say anything against Battleship 79 1 kills/losses it speaks for itself imo . they have their **** together Sin
DamienV Caldari MetaForge	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:33:00 - [25] One may hate BE at times, but you cannot deny they are an impressive PVP group. GJ to all of you.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:33:00 - [26] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 17/11/2006 20:33:10 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Roxanna Kell , and its not the first time i did. look buddy you need to stop bulls**g your self. Cerb was a good kill, falcon and arazu deadlocked next to me, jammed and scrambled nothing i could ve done. Nighthawk was meant to be a 1v1 agaisnt a tempest, i have logs of your guy saying it in local, i warp to him think the other 2 bs wont fight, you all locked me and jumped in 10 other people, it was only me online at that time and lord who was in a ss, thats the story for you, now twist it or change it, it still just a virtual ship to me. Good. I would hate to think we riled you up or anything you still here? shouldn't you be reading PAX or something? Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Roxanna Kell you still here? shouldn't you be reading PAX or something? Wrong forum for in-character references. Just keeping the accounting accurate. When Burn Eden are logged in and shooting, they're deadly. But it's simple enough to exploit their unwillingness for a toe-to-toe fight, and that's all we did. Yes, when I see a post saying that CVA logged out and avoided conflict when I spent hours doing quite the opposite, I'm going to speak up.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:38:00 - [28] Originally by: heidrun isnt shin ra that guy that posted some fake stuff before?? your word is worth 0 Then I'll verify their numbers at least. Base on what I saw when they were in CVA space extrapolated over a 2 week long campaign, it sounds about right.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:39:00 - [29] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 17/11/2006 20:41:31 Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Roxanna Kell you still here? shouldn't you be reading PAX or something? Wrong forum for in-character references. Just keeping the accounting accurate. When Burn Eden are logged in and shooting, they're deadly. But it's simple enough to exploit their unwillingness for a toe-to-toe fight, and that's all we did. Yes, when I see a post saying that CVA logged out and avoided conflict when I spent hours doing quite the opposite, I'm going to speak up. honor lol, when i play bf2 i go sniper and stay low sniping snipers on roofs and the occasional street walkers, i do it on a non vehicle server too. is it honorable? who cares it gets me lots of kills. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a ** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. QFT BE are funny. . . - - - - - - - - - - Originally by:** GS Member Everyone already knows that RED and Goonswarm and etc... all exploit and hack and lag, I doubt the public gives a **** anymore.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:41:00 - [31] Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/11/2006 20:42:00 Oh don't take my word for it.. shall we take a trip down memory lane and examine some quotes from the photoshop episode... (there are many more.. but can't be bothered to use all of them...) Originally by: Amthrianius Well Shin Ra's credibility went down the drain here er, nvm he didn't have any anyway. Originally by: Sean Drake, Axiom Empire Awww come on be honest would anyone take BE or shin ra's word over anyone elses let alone a blue entity.(well apart from Ginger it's a close toss up between him and shin for who is full of the most **) Originally by:** Manfred Sidewous, FIX Burn Eden = 0 Credibility and/or The Joke of Eve Shin Ra you just made your corp look like a bunch of asshat loosers Originally by: Digital Communist Funny how a single image can render months of mercenary work pointless. Nice gamble though, Shin Ra. But this time you underestimated the ease with which two industrial alliance will go to war. Would of meant great stuff for BE if it had worked. Originally by: Kryztal LoL how cute, good luck with your next contract/scam, true or false you just burned your corps "rep" as mercs Originally by: Hans Roaming Hmm what's the value of your word now m8? Originally by: Lag Fest, Frege Alliance BE is a joke I'll end this quotathron .. with one of my own... Originally by: Nez Perces take you seriuosly again? that will only be those that have short memories...
Kaleeb Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:45:00 - [32] Nice stats guys, efficient as always keep up the good work. Originally by: Blacklight Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:46:00 - [33] Edited by: Garreck on 17/11/2006 20:46:54 Originally by: Roxanna Kell honor lol, when i play bf2 i go sniper and stay low sniping snipers on roofs and the occasional street walkers, i do it on a non vehicle server too. is it honorable? who cares it gets me lots of kills. D'oh! You're responding to an argument I did not make and never will make. You were very efficient. There's no denying that. You were also easily discouraged against a focused effort that raised the "risk" factor. This, by me, is satisfactory.
tropic126	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:51:00 - [34] Please do not post with an un-identified character in this forum - Petwraith
ConanTheLibertarian	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:53:00 - [35] Edited by: ConanTheLibertarian on 17/11/2006 20:53:05 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 17/11/2006 20:42:00 Oh don't take my word for it.. shall we take a trip down memory lane and examine some quotes from the photoshop episode... (there are many more.. but can't be bothered to use all of them...) Originally by: Amthrianius Well Shin Ra's credibility went down the drain here er, nvm he didn't have any anyway. Originally by: Sean Drake, Axiom Empire Awww come on be honest would anyone take BE or shin ra's word over anyone elses let alone a blue entity.(well apart from Ginger it's a close toss up between him and shin for who is full of the most **) Originally by:** Manfred Sidewous, FIX Burn Eden = 0 Credibility and/or The Joke of Eve Shin Ra you just made your corp look like a bunch of asshat loosers Originally by: Digital Communist Funny how a single image can render months of mercenary work pointless. Nice gamble though, Shin Ra. But this time you underestimated the ease with which two industrial alliance will go to war. Would of meant great stuff for BE if it had worked. Originally by: Kryztal LoL how cute, good luck with your next contract/scam, true or false you just burned your corps "rep" as mercs Originally by: Hans Roaming Hmm what's the value of your word now m8? Originally by: Lag Fest, Frege Alliance BE is a joke I'll end this quotathron .. with one of my own... Originally by: Nez Perces take you seriuosly again? that will only be those that have short memories... QFT
Hawkings SJ Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:54:00 - [36] Edited by: Hawkings SJ on 17/11/2006 20:54:21 Sure you killed 79 BS, freighter& hundreds of ships in total for 1 loss...but how many posts did you make lavishing praise on your employer and his allies regarding their skill, determination, etc, etc, etc? I mean really, if you aren't making near-daily posts about how great your employer(s) are, and by association you yourself are...how can you call yourself true mercenaries? Seems you still have much to learn about being a small-corp sized group of mercs!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:54:00 - [37] Originally by: tropic126 No one cares about you spewing your judgement or demands for explanation in these threads. You're not in an alliance and run a one man company. You're an armchair failure who posts to read his own text. Get out. .. and you haven't even bothered to display your tags... .... ....
xeom Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.17 20:58:00 - [38] Feel the venom! GJ BE. --- "Those nuclear missiles are for domestic heating." - Scagga
TZeer Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:11:00 - [39] Nice stats :) As always
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:20:00 - [40] Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff Do you acutally play this game or just post on the fourms? You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. Those who hate us, have always done, will never trust us will never believe a word we say. So it doesn't really matter what we say about those noobs does it? Our goal is not to be the most popular corp, or the most repsected. So your endless list of BE fanbois does not matter. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of people in EVE were in that bracket. So long as we are entertained there is no stopping us. You can say anything you want about us, you can quote all of BOB saying how they owned us. You can quote all 4000 ASCN members saying how we ran from anything but a gank. It doesnt make it true tho. You may think I'm the lowest, dishonorable lame ass pirate ever, but it doesn't make it true. It just make you a better fanboi.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:26:00 - [41] i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Dragerest i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack You must have missed our last announcement.
Dragerest Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dragerest i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack You must have missed our last announcement. the one about tech3 stabs.. JK For your tech 2 needs www.evetrust.com
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:36:00 - [44] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dragerest i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack You must have missed our last announcement. im sry.i tought it was fake too.maybe i need to look it up..meeeeeh. and if you didnt care what peeps think about you shin ra,then why post anno0uncements?
ponieus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:38:00 - [45] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff Do you acutally play this game or just post on the fourms? You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. Those who hate us, have always done, will never trust us will never believe a word we say. So it doesn't really matter what we say about those noobs does it? Our goal is not to be the most popular corp, or the most repsected. So your endless list of BE fanbois does not matter. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of people in EVE were in that bracket. So long as we are entertained there is no stopping us. You can say anything you want about us, you can quote all of BOB saying how they owned us. You can quote all 4000 ASCN members saying how we ran from anything but a gank. It doesnt make it true tho. You may think I'm the lowest, dishonorable lame ass pirate ever, but it doesn't make it true. It just make you a better fanboi. We didnt own you we owned your playtime when you tried your tatics on us. Didnt work and you guys left. No harm no foul. see ya in space ----------------------------------------------- ok ok
BaronWaste Finis Lumen Muffins of Mayhem	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:44:00 - [46] Very nice numbers.
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 21:59:00 - [47] I was told not to post on this thread..... I can be found most days in the anzac chan tending to my adoring public.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:11:00 - [48] BE is good at what they do, so is CVA, fought against some BE while in IAC, and have fought with CVA also when in IAC. I bet both parties had fun when engaging each other, then the k/d ratios I dont care about, its a game folks, have fun.
Hassiana Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:19:00 - [49] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. I guess its a good thing then that no one cares what you think. Perhaps you should go make some more forum posts elsewhere. and same for you mr change-a-name
Hassiana Gallente Paralex Research	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:24:00 - [50] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff Do you acutally play this game or just post on the fourms? You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. Those who hate us, have always done, will never trust us will never believe a word we say. So it doesn't really matter what we say about those noobs does it? Our goal is not to be the most popular corp, or the most repsected. So your endless list of BE fanbois does not matter. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of people in EVE were in that bracket. So long as we are entertained there is no stopping us. You can say anything you want about us, you can quote all of BOB saying how they owned us. You can quote all 4000 ASCN members saying how we ran from anything but a gank. It doesnt make it true tho. You may think I'm the lowest, dishonorable lame ass pirate ever, but it doesn't make it true. It just make you a better fanboi. what about the ones that have never heard of you? yes there are lots believe it or not. ego ftw i think. if e-peen ruled you would be queen, as it is your kinda lame
MrRogerz The Neighborhood	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:35:00 - [51] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. I guess its a good thing then that no one cares what you think. Perhaps you should go make some more forum posts elsewhere. Actually no one cares what BE does. As far as we know the stats are fake, almost reminds me of photoshopping
hantwo S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. i neither love or hate BE, i admire alot of the things you do, still you did make a bit of a fool of yourself with the whole photoshop stupidity. apart from that, good luck to you all.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:44:00 - [53] Originally by: heidrun Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dragerest i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack You must have missed our last announcement. im sry.i tought it was fake too.maybe i need to look it up..meeeeeh. and if you didnt care what peeps think about you shin ra,then why post anno0uncements? To get a reaction, to annoy people, for entertainment purposes and to stop us from getting a "good" reputation. Far too many people seem to like us lately. We like to remind those people that hating us is still an option.
hantwo S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.17 22:44:00 - [54] Originally by: ponieus Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff Do you acutally play this game or just post on the fourms? You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. Those who hate us, have always done, will never trust us will never believe a word we say. So it doesn't really matter what we say about those noobs does it? Our goal is not to be the most popular corp, or the most repsected. So your endless list of BE fanbois does not matter. I wouldn't be surprised if 99% of people in EVE were in that bracket. So long as we are entertained there is no stopping us. You can say anything you want about us, you can quote all of BOB saying how they owned us. You can quote all 4000 ASCN members saying how we ran from anything but a gank. It doesnt make it true tho. You may think I'm the lowest, dishonorable lame ass pirate ever, but it doesn't make it true. It just make you a better fanboi. We didnt own you we owned your playtime when you tried your tatics on us. Didnt work and you guys left. No harm no foul. see ya in space how dare anyone attempt to suggest that they beat BoB !! may they burn in enternal fires for such hericy
Amandi Casimi Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:00:00 - [55] Edited by: Amandi Casimi on 17/11/2006 23:07:41 Meh Let neutrals be neutrals.
AntiReal Caldari Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:07:00 - [56] Edited by: AntiReal on 17/11/2006 23:09:27 Edited by: AntiReal on 17/11/2006 23:08:48 Quote: Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. I was there with you allmost whole week watching and harrasing BE very different tactics. I didnt see thease logouts,except part of those ISK farmer haulers which tried time after time go through your camp. They will allways logoff when they end up to bubble. And when you come there was major infestation with them, like 6-10 hauler pilot trying get stuff to 0.0 and out from there. You have some good tactics there to get kills, and with very little risk. Few times we caught Ravens, there was more of you logging instantly in and come save those poor Ravens so we couldnt use just few Reacon ships. And when we Build up nice gang you just sitted at safe spots, or tried few warpins (yeah, that initial fight didnt go so well for us becouse we didnt know every alt of yours at that point). Your carrier pilot can confirm that hes safe was compromised (50au from nearest object), i even found your warpin HUP 'below' misaba gate 18au. But you decided leave very same day. Saw those probes in scanner just only 400m km from spot? We had 3 Empire Wars allmost whole time when you wore here, so sorry if we didnt take our full time with Bore Eden. But with you it just aint fun, and fun is only thing that makes us tik. We dont like chase Killboard warriors who take every possible measure to ensure that they look good at killboards. suggestion, fit Cloaks those ships and you will come most boring thing that eve pvp has to offer.. mm, Wait a minute, there is SAS/TC allready nvm.
Xors Toxic Vengeance	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:16:00 - [57] Excellent Stats. Good Job.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.17 23:55:00 - [58] Thing is.. I don't hate you guys... you are probably very good pvpers in your own particular way...and there is a place in EVE for your particular kind of corp. I mean can anybody imagine EVE without Burn Eden? you are an institution. What I don't want to see, is the readers forgetting that you are fallible like the rest of us... and you do make mistakes.. the photoshop episode was a mistake. Your portrayal of yourselves as the 'uberOMGwe pwn evrything in sight' corp is well .. just part of the picture. If you had displayed a teeny weeny bit of humility in your OP, ShinRa I wouldn't have bothered to post....
heidrun Caelli-Merced	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: heidrun Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Dragerest i love BE threads full of smack. but can't wait until kali.. than what will BE do? ps. i can't care what BE will do. just a FYI pss smack smack smack You must have missed our last announcement. im sry.i tought it was fake too.maybe i need to look it up..meeeeeh. and if you didnt care what peeps think about you shin ra,then why post anno0uncements? To get a reaction, to annoy people, for entertainment purposes and to stop us from getting a "good" reputation. Far too many people seem to like us lately. We like to remind those people that hating us is still an option. i never hated you,its just i dont respect you anymore.regardles of your excellent killratio,in the end your a liar and that makes you lowlife.easy as that really.too bad you dragged your corp with you into the dirt.
Jaykar Ascendant Strategies Inc. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:01:00 - [60] Edited by: Jaykar on 18/11/2006 00:11:09 Roxanna Kell, for the record, that nighthawk u lost in a supposed 1v1 against me. You challenged me (because I am a younger pilot and you reckoned me to be an easy kill) I refused and u tried to jump me at the gate anyway. Since I hate you BE guys with a passion for spoiling my travels in CVA space I was quite happy to do my best to make sure u went down. For some reason you seemed surprised to have CVA jump in and help me out in this non-existant 1v1.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:05:00 - [61] I find it funny that CVA is being accused of logging out or only being active while you are sleeping when the same would most certainly apply to BE. We see 1 BE log in, then log off, rinse, repeat. Then the alt corps and all the games. Sure, you may be good at what you do, but you also pack it in after a ship loss. One ship down and the lot of you safe/log for hours/the night. I would not call the numbers particularly impressive, I would not heap praise. The real fact is that business went on as usual while you were afk doing whatever it is you do. Have fun at your next stop
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:11:00 - [62] Edited by: James Snowscoran on 18/11/2006 00:14:57 BE are no doubt very good at what they do, chasing uber k/d ratios and racking up shitloads of kills. Personally, I think it's going a bit over the edge, but hey that's just me. Surely makes them hated and feared all over the universe, but somehow I don't think CVA was hurt very hard by this intrusion- they measure military success by other criteria than killboard stats afaik. -----
Mah Kraah Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.18 00:28:00 - [63] name of unity pilot who saved his ship or pod by logging please (via eve mail to me, thy)
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:01:00 - [64] Originally by: James Snowscoran but somehow I don't think CVA was hurt very hard by this intrusion Oh, not by a fair bit. It should be pointed out that CVA losses in comparison to the total (and admittedly impressive) list of Burn Eden kills was quite small. Some of the locals in our space however, probably got hit pretty hard when CVA couldn't be around or when they did not heed travel warnings. Not to mention the numerous folks from alliances deeper into 0.0 than Providence who travel through Providence to get to/from empire.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:07:00 - [65] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 18/11/2006 01:08:06 The reason BE werent pushed back is because its very easy to sit cloaked in a safe spot until a gang dispurses while the other two accounts you run on your three monitor setup are off fighting someone else. I wouldnt brag too much about "dominating" our outpost system, gangs were told to either hunt someone else or go earn some isk as you posed no threat to any fixed assets and no real threat to our operations. Mores the point, while we didnt have a perfect kill ratio vs Burn Eden, far from it infact. We do have two battleship kills on you on our boards, one for heinky and one for Evil Pookie. Which brings a lot of doubt to the validity of the rest of your stats you have so kindly provided. I put the start dates into our killboards and this is what you get. Assault Ship 0,5 Battleship 2,7 Capsule 2,11 Command Ship 1,0 Cruiser 0,8 Frigate 1,5 Interceptor 1,2 Interdictor 0,1 Material destroyed: 289.65M Material lost: 774.22M Now Recruiting
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:14:00 - [66] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 It started in 9UY at the start of the month. UNITY resistance was non existant, with BE forces dominating the system at all time. Even Ushra'Khan's capital ships could not push BE forces away and after almost loosing a Thanatos, UNITY launching any form of resistance. Moments of notice include killing the Brotherhood of Steel Obelisk in about 10 seconds (and him not logging!), then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. Anyway stats: Snip... some impressive stats... As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. LOL.. You can't compare yourselves to KIA.. You call yourselves mercenaries when you are actually nothing more than pirates. By your own admission you have no honour and care little for your "reputation", whereas for KIA, rightly or wrongly, our reputation is paramount. BE as a corp are undoubtedly good at what you do, but you play "your" game in a totally different manner to KIA so comparisons are a waste of time. Should KIA, or any other reasonably competent PVP corp for that matter, decide to move into a 0.0 region and play the game the way you do, I am quite sure the results would be much the same or better in the case of KIA as there are more of us. Get over yourselves you ain't all that ...
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 18/11/2006 01:11:53 The reason BE werent pushed back is because its very easy to sit cloaked in a safe spot until a gang dispurses while the other two accounts you run on your three monitor setup are off fighting someone else. I wouldnt brag too much about "dominating" our outpost system, gangs were told to either hunt someone else or go earn some isk as you posed no threat to any fixed assets and no real threat to our operations. Mores the point, while we didnt have a perfect kill ratio vs Burn Eden, far from it infact. We do have two battleship kills on you on our boards, one for heinky and one for Evil Pookie. Which brings a lot of doubt to the validity of the rest of your stats you have so kindly provided. You claim to have only suffered the loss of one battleship through the whole campaign, yet Ushra'khan alone has two. I put the start dates into our killboards and this is what you get. Assault Ship 0,5 Battleship 2,7 Capsule 2,11 Command Ship 1,0 Cruiser 0,8 Frigate 1,5 Interceptor 1,2 Interdictor 0,1 Material destroyed: 289.65M Material lost: 774.22M Heinky's battleship lost is not posted on our killboard. The reason for this is he warped from a safespot to an asteroid belt, and got sucked into a POS. Logs confirmed this and ship was immediately replaced.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 01:30:00 - [68] Originally by: Jaykar Edited by: Jaykar on 18/11/2006 00:11:09 Roxanna Kell, for the record, that nighthawk u lost in a supposed 1v1 against me. You challenged me (because I am a younger pilot and you reckoned me to be an easy kill) I refused and u tried to jump me at the gate anyway. Since I hate you BE guys with a passion for spoiling my travels in CVA space I was quite happy to do my best to make sure u went down. For some reason you seemed surprised to have CVA jump in and help me out in this non-existant 1v1. I love you too m8, keep it real my wigger ; p Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:08:00 - [69] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 It started in 9UY at the start of the month. UNITY resistance was non existant, with BE forces dominating the system at all time. Even Ushra'Khan's capital ships could not push BE forces away and after almost loosing a Thanatos, UNITY launching any form of resistance. Moments of notice include killing the Brotherhood of Steel Obelisk in about 10 seconds (and him not logging!), then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. Anyway stats: Snip... some impressive stats... As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. LOL.. You can't compare yourselves to KIA.. You call yourselves mercenaries when you are actually nothing more than pirates. By your own admission you have no honour and care little for your "reputation", whereas for KIA, rightly or wrongly, our reputation is paramount. BE as a corp are undoubtedly good at what you do, but you play "your" game in a totally different manner to KIA so comparisons are a waste of time. Should KIA, or any other reasonably competent PVP corp for that matter, decide to move into a 0.0 region and play the game the way you do, I am quite sure the results would be much the same or better in the case of KIA as there are more of us. Get over yourselves you ain't all that ... Humm...... take kia and go to some random region and kill for 16 day, if u get better stats then Burn eden ill give u 3b isk so u can call it a conntract. Convoy me ingame if u wanna start that conntract.
Unfamed II FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Shin Ra sniprabble As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. KIA accepts mostly forum war contracts. And thumbs up to you guys, even if you're not my best friends, excellent results. Seriously, it's not that great being an amarr, is it?
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:23:00 - [71] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 18/11/2006 01:20:21 The reason BE werent pushed back is because its very easy to sit cloaked in a safe spot until a gang dispurses while the other two accounts you run on your three monitor setup are off fighting someone else. I wouldnt brag too much about "dominating" our outpost system, gangs were told to either hunt someone else or go earn some isk as you posed no threat to any fixed assets and no real threat to our operations. Mores the point, while we didnt have a perfect kill ratio vs Burn Eden, far from it infact. We do have two battleship kills on you on our boards, one for heinky and one for Evil Pookie. Which brings a lot of doubt to the validity of the rest of your stats you have so kindly provided. You claim to have only suffered the loss of one battleship through the whole campaign, yet Ushra'khan alone has two. I put the start dates into our killboards and this is what you get. Assault Ship 0,5 Battleship 2,7 Capsule 2,11 Command Ship 1,0 Cruiser 0,8 Frigate 1,5 Interceptor 1,2 Interdictor 0,1 Material destroyed: 289.65M Material lost: 774.22M well let me first explain that i didnt post the bugg loss when it sucked me into a pos instead of warping me into the belt, gm,s gave me my raven back (i can show u the petition if u really want to) and the locals in 9uy said it had heppened to some ushra guys as well and all was good about that. I dont wanna come out as smacking u but maybe some of your pilots have not posted their losses on your kb yet coz our show 12bs from ushrakhan down and loads of other ships in that period( wich can be seen on our kb,s and u can varify with your own members)so please look into it.
Spiderweb Caldari Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.18 03:52:00 - [72] Edited by: Spiderweb on 18/11/2006 03:54:47 Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 It started in 9UY at the start of the month. UNITY resistance was non existant, with BE forces dominating the system at all time. Even Ushra'Khan's capital ships could not push BE forces away and after almost loosing a Thanatos, UNITY launching any form of resistance. Moments of notice include killing the Brotherhood of Steel Obelisk in about 10 seconds (and him not logging!), then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. Anyway stats: Ship classKL Assault frigate150 Battlecruiser260 Battleship791 Capsule 2013 Carrier 00 Command ship22 Covert ops20 Cruiser 560 Destroyer00 Dreadnought00 Exhumer 00 Freighter10 Frigate 393 Heavy assault61 Industrial690 Interceptor283 Interdictor46 (inc alts ) Logistics00 Mining barge10 Mothership00 Recon ship61 Shuttle 240 Titan 00 Transport30 Start date:2006-11-01 End date:2006-11-17 Kills:570 Losses:14 Damage done (ISK):13247.3055M Damage received (ISK):749.715M Runtime:16 days Efficiency:94.64% As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. is that the best you guys could make for what really happened ? rofl ok right. Nice try on advertisment on a less than succesful endeavour that you guys dropped when losses started to mount up. As U'K' we did lose ships as we got by surprise at the beginning and then it was going all downhill for you guys. If only I knew you guys were on a contract! nice gj, you watched Borat too often right ? funny :) ----------------------------------------------- "Light, in the Darkest of Hours..."
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Spiderweb Edited by: Spiderweb on 18/11/2006 03:57:27 Edited by: Spiderweb on 18/11/2006 03:54:47 nvm. **** i was just about to point out how wrong u were :)
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:13:00 - [74] Edited by: DHB WildCat on 18/11/2006 04:13:28 I have much respect for many of the alliances we fight against. I like to think they have some respect for me and my corp mates as well. During this contract Unity was most impressive with thier fighting and determination. It was a fantastic couple of days, and I have the utmost respect for that Freighter Pilot that did not log out from our bubble. Then we went to R3.... First couple of days we made a few mistakes lost a few ships, but killing MUCH more than we lost. Even I ran into some trouble. It was just me and a dictor... (this is after I got my hate mail)... and an Arazu and a buddy dampened and scramed me. Yes SATAN saved my ass from a slow death 8). But then CVA dissapeared. We would log in and three of us would engage a group of 12 or more on the gate including BS and Hacs, and they would jump through. It quickly turned into omg BE RUN!!!! The kill stats are correct. Thank you Unity for the fun, and CVA I can only say that I am very dissapointed in you 8( (I have never encountered so many pilots logging out) WildCat
Tetovo Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:22:00 - [75] Originally by: Nez Perces Thing is.. I don't hate you guys... you are probably very good pvpers in your own particular way...and there is a place in EVE for your particular kind of corp. I mean can anybody imagine EVE without Burn Eden? you are an institution. What I don't want to see, is the readers forgetting that you are fallible like the rest of us... and you do make mistakes.. the photoshop episode was a mistake. Your portrayal of yourselves as the 'uberOMGwe pwn evrything in sight' corp is well .. just part of the picture. If you had displayed a teeny weeny bit of humility in your OP, ShinRa I wouldn't have bothered to post.... When have you seen humility from BE? It's simply not their style.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 04:55:00 - [76] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 04:56:29 Originally by: Tetovo When have you seen humility from BE? It's simply not their style. right here... Originally by: DHB WildCat .... I have the utmost respect for that Freighter Pilot that did not log out from our bubble..... First couple of days we made a few mistakes lost a few ships, but killing MUCH more than we lost. Even I ran into some trouble. ..... ... see how its not that difficult to augment one's credibility and pvp performance by acknowledging that the average reader has a higher IQ than a potato. ShinRa and Satan both took turns to flame me in this thread, so they obviously do care what we think of them......no? If the OP had chosen his words to indicate that their credibility was a little suspect but that the content was nevertheless true , then this thread would have been a much smoother ride. Anyways.. pls continue..
TZeer Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:19:00 - [77] BE, could you point me to your killboard?
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 07:23:00 - [78] Nos Potato, is it too late to flame you? I don't care what people think of me, I play eve nekid!
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 09:48:00 - [79] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a **** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. I guess its a good thing then that no one cares what you think. Perhaps you should go make some more forum posts elsewhere. Your acting like you own something or that your in a powerful poistion. Tbh I don't care what you say normally but when flaming on your own thread that makes me laugh. People can post whenever they want wherever they want so I don't see why your trying to tell him not to, your just making yourself look like a tit. Tbh you better leave the posting to someone who can actully post in your corp aka Shin Ra cause he does it alot better than you. Also I think more people listen to Nez then they will ever do to you... High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 09:50:00 - [80] oh btw, nice stats BE. High-Sec/0.0 PvP Recruitment
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2006.11.18 10:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Shin Ra You either love burn eden or you hate us. There is no in between. Hey, I beg to differ. I don't agree with all the tactics you've made your success over the years but I gotta love the crybaby hatred and whineage you bring out in people. King Liu is RIGHT!!
MysticNZ Solstice Systems Development Concourse	Posted - 2006.11.18 10:46:00 - [82] BE is so last year. -=====- Xorus is teh nub :D I heard that beats player with big stick now be a good carebear and mine me some veldspar - Xorus
Miss Overlord Gallente EUROPEANS	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:04:00 - [83] please BE recruit ginger magician then u will be complete and take soren while youre at it
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:31:00 - [84] I must admit that BE were annoying, however they did not dominate Burn Eden were a slight annoyance, using some dirty tricks (i.e. log on traps, dictor alts in other corps etc, and they absolutly hate role play directed at them, in some cases the mere use of rp made them log, but they had their tactics down well so respect to them there. Ikar P.S. Im sure that God will forgive you for your sins one day Burn Eden, and you shall meet your fate at the end of the purifying light of Amarrian Lasers.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:42:00 - [85] Originally by: TZeer BE, could you point me to your killboard? No. Our killboard is now private as its too great a source of information for our enemies.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 11:59:00 - [86] Originally by: Nez Perces right here... Originally by: DHB WildCat .... I have the utmost respect for that Freighter Pilot that did not log out from our bubble..... First couple of days we made a few mistakes lost a few ships, but killing MUCH more than we lost. Even I ran into some trouble. ..... ... see how its not that difficult to augment one's credibility and pvp performance by acknowledging that the average reader has a higher IQ than a potato. ShinRa and Satan both took turns to flame me in this thread, so they obviously do care what we think of them......no? If the OP had chosen his words to indicate that their credibility was a little suspect but that the content was nevertheless true , then this thread would have been a much smoother ride. Anyways.. pls continue.. Wildcat still has too much carebearism in him. Ex-AXE/Huzzah and recruited from FIX. I do not care what you think. You are free to post whatever rubbish you want. But your making a fool of yourself. You really don't understand yet that anything bad that you or anyone else says about out does not effect us. We are top of the food chain and have no actual enemies worthy of note. You can say whatever you want about us on the forums, but at the end of the day, its only words. In game, its us that comes hunting everyone else, not the other way around. Getting into ironic battle about who cares less show your hatred for us. I do not like you, but I can't come kill you in the game cause your some sort of alt. You do not like me, but you can't come kill me cause you are scared and I'm better than you. Now you see why your wasting your time.
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.11.18 12:17:00 - [87] nice stats :)
Taters Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.18 13:53:00 - [88] I still wanna know how you get 1500 damage per shot out of a 150mm AC II....
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:32:00 - [89] Originally by: Taters I still wanna know how you get 1500 damage per shot out of a 150mm AC II.... logs? screens? fraps? If it was against a freighter then for some reason shots get bugged and do absolutely insane damage - see one of farjung's video's where he practically one-volleyed away a freighters structure due to a bug. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:59:00 - [90] Originally by: Old Geeza Originally by: Taters I still wanna know how you get 1500 damage per shot out of a 150mm AC II.... logs? screens? fraps? If it was against a freighter then for some reason shots get bugged and do absolutely insane damage - see one of farjung's video's where he practically one-volleyed away a freighters structure due to a bug. Yeah we had the same bug. A sabre outdamaged a thanatos! It wouldn't have mattered as the target was at least 10k off the gate and 6x webbed.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 14:59:00 - [91] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 15:00:15 I see ShinRa wishes to dance.... lets dance then... Originally by: ShinRa Wildcat still has too much carebearism in him. Ex-AXE/Huzzah and recruited from FIX. I don't think I've ever seen a corp leader flame one of his own simply to score points against somebody unconnected to their corp....truly unbelievable... I strongly suggest you put your e-peen down before you trip over it. Originally by: ShinRa I do not care what you think. So you keep saying, infact that is Burn Eden's mantra isn't it?... but you keep posting nevertheless, when there was no need... Originally by: ShinRa You are free to post whatever rubbish you want. But your making a fool of yourself. You really don't understand yet that anything bad that you or anyone else says about out does not effect us. Then surely you can just skip the posts that say things you don't like and ignore them, correct? Who is the bigger fool?.. the one that posts rubbish... or the one that then gets all hot under the collar upon reading said rubbish and feels compelled to type more rubbish in order to counter it? If I am a fool you have matched me in equal measure. Originally by: ShinRa We are top of the food chain and have no actual enemies worthy of note. err.. k and I am Napoleon Bonaparte.. got a problem with that? You can pronounce statements like that all day long, it doesn't make it true though does it. Originally by: ShinRa I do not like you, but I can't come kill you in the game cause your some sort of alt. Except that this is my main, my only account... I am atm what you would call 'in retirement' RL allows me only a few hours of play a week, missions mostly. The forums provide a mild source of amusement. You may come and find me whenever it pleases you... I hang around Yarebap mostly. Originally by: ShinRa You do not like me, but you can't come kill me cause you are scared and I'm better than you. I warned you to put your e-peen away, now you have gone and tripped up on it.... even if I had the time or inclination to come and kill you (of which I have neither btw), I wouldn't bother, because I would find something more interesting to do, like mining veldspar. And thats probably what your "real" enemies think too... Hunting BE, would be as about much fun as watching paint dry. Originally by: ShinRa Now you see why your wasting your time. .. right back at ya ShinRa.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:09:00 - [92] Originally by: Nez Perces Stuff Is this supposed to be a vein attempt to get one over on me? This is my thread and your the one coming on here trash talking. Furthermore, you have to resort to blizzard forums style of quoting sentence by sentence and pulling it apart. Well all your attempts are flawed because: I don't care Now I appreciate your concern for me and your wish that I avoid wasting my time replying to your posts. However, you totally miss the point. This is entertainment for me but a safe verbal outlet for your own uptightness.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:13:00 - [93] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 15:14:13 Originally by: Shin Ra I don't care Fine, lets leave it at that....
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:25:00 - [94] Originally by: Heinky Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 It started in 9UY at the start of the month. UNITY resistance was non existant, with BE forces dominating the system at all time. Even Ushra'Khan's capital ships could not push BE forces away and after almost loosing a Thanatos, UNITY launching any form of resistance. Moments of notice include killing the Brotherhood of Steel Obelisk in about 10 seconds (and him not logging!), then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. Then came CVA, who resisted intially. But after loosing all the initial engagement, CVA resistance was limited to when BE was asleep. Still, the few CVA + friends that did travel were slaughtered with many logging off. No campaign in the history of BE has ever had so many enemies logging off. Every single alliance is responsible for their own members. You cannot blame this on rogue members when it is such a common occurance. Anyway stats: Snip... some impressive stats... As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. LOL.. You can't compare yourselves to KIA.. You call yourselves mercenaries when you are actually nothing more than pirates. By your own admission you have no honour and care little for your "reputation", whereas for KIA, rightly or wrongly, our reputation is paramount. BE as a corp are undoubtedly good at what you do, but you play "your" game in a totally different manner to KIA so comparisons are a waste of time. Should KIA, or any other reasonably competent PVP corp for that matter, decide to move into a 0.0 region and play the game the way you do, I am quite sure the results would be much the same or better in the case of KIA as there are more of us. Get over yourselves you ain't all that ... Humm...... take kia and go to some random region and kill for 16 day, if u get better stats then Burn eden ill give u 3b isk so u can call it a conntract. Convoy me ingame if u wanna start that conntract. You don't seem to understand so I will repeat this slowly... KIA will not take your "conntract" because we do not play the game the way you do. We do not go into a random area and shoot everything that moves and then call it a contract. We do not use WCS in combat, nor do we use log off or log on tactics. Our tacklers are also members of our corp so they are included in our loss stats. Your quoted stats are also questionable as apparently your KB is now private so your numbers cannot be verified. Basically anything you say is questionable as your corp has no credibility. I wouldn't even have bothered replying to this thread had you not dragged KIA into it.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:29:00 - [95] Originally by: Unfamed II Originally by: Shin Ra sniprabble As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. KIA accepts mostly forum war contracts. And thumbs up to you guys, even if you're not my best friends, excellent results. Well with your coalition's 10 to 1 loss ratio against KIA I'm sure you wish we would spend even more time on the forums...
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:35:00 - [96] Originally by: Nez Perces Thing is.. I don't hate you guys... you are probably very good pvpers in your own particular way...and there is a place in EVE for your particular kind of corp. I mean can anybody imagine EVE without Burn Eden? you are an institution. What I don't want to see, is the readers forgetting that you are fallible like the rest of us... and you do make mistakes.. the photoshop episode was a mistake. Your portrayal of yourselves as the 'uberOMGwe pwn evrything in sight' corp is well .. just part of the picture. If you had displayed a teeny weeny bit of humility in your OP, ShinRa I wouldn't have bothered to post.... You accused them of faiking killmails. Pretty big accusation which you can't back up. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:40:00 - [97] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Nez Perces Thing is.. I don't hate you guys... you are probably very good pvpers in your own particular way...and there is a place in EVE for your particular kind of corp. I mean can anybody imagine EVE without Burn Eden? you are an institution. What I don't want to see, is the readers forgetting that you are fallible like the rest of us... and you do make mistakes.. the photoshop episode was a mistake. Your portrayal of yourselves as the 'uberOMGwe pwn evrything in sight' corp is well .. just part of the picture. If you had displayed a teeny weeny bit of humility in your OP, ShinRa I wouldn't have bothered to post.... You accused them of faiking killmails. Pretty big accusation which you can't back up. We've had plenty of previous contracts posted on these forums with equally good stats and they have all been verified on our old killboard. With the obvious exception of our dictors. We do not keep them in noob corps to hide our losses, its for tactical reasons. Besides, now that our KB is private, what would be the point in hiding them? Also there was a dude from ASCN who said we faked his killmail. The NPCs stole it and he refused to give us a copy so we made one up for him. We copied the last mega we killed which had t2 gear, this guy had t1. So we obviously cheated there to make us look more uber... That about wraps up our fake killmails.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:44:00 - [98] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 18/11/2006 15:46:16 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin I must admit that BE were annoying, however they did not dominate Burn Eden were a slight annoyance, using some dirty tricks (i.e. log on traps, dictor alts in other corps etc, and they absolutly hate role play directed at them, in some cases the mere use of rp made them log, but they had their tactics down well so respect to them there. Ikar P.S. Im sure that God will forgive you for your sins one day Burn Eden, and you shall meet your fate at the end of the purifying light of Amarrian Lasers. Log on Traps? dude i wont be in burn eden if we did, Log on traps is just the only thing we will ever use, and let me explain what a log on trap is. you place a fl33t on a gate or near by, and tell them to log off there, than every one logs on back on a timer, we log off in a Safe Spot when we are done fighting and tired, or jsut when there is nobody to kill. we log back in to out Deep safe spots when our scouts mention that you are about, usually we re 100 au out, giving anyone plenty of warning, when you are Deep in 0l0 and have no docking rights, there is no choice of were to log off. Originally by: DHB WildCat Edited by: DHB WildCat on 18/11/2006 04:13:28 I have much respect for many of the alliances we fight against. Exept for me, cause iam a complete b***D Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
NAFnist Rage of Angels	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:46:00 - [99] No sweat, Ive done that a few times aswell myself. Some people carry such a grudge they wont even send you the mail. BTW good ratio isnt what the merc business is about. Its about meeting your client's needes. Example; Doesnt really do good if you kill npcers when the client wanted presuure on the pvpers ect. Just an example. - Regards NAFnist
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Nez Perces Thing is.. I don't hate you guys... you are probably very good pvpers in your own particular way...and there is a place in EVE for your particular kind of corp. I mean can anybody imagine EVE without Burn Eden? you are an institution. What I don't want to see, is the readers forgetting that you are fallible like the rest of us... and you do make mistakes.. the photoshop episode was a mistake. Your portrayal of yourselves as the 'uberOMGwe pwn evrything in sight' corp is well .. just part of the picture. If you had displayed a teeny weeny bit of humility in your OP, ShinRa I wouldn't have bothered to post.... You accused them of faiking killmails. Pretty big accusation which you can't back up. We've had plenty of previous contracts posted on these forums with equally good stats and they have all been verified on our old killboard. With the obvious exception of our dictors. We do not keep them in noob corps to hide our losses, its for tactical reasons. Besides, now that our KB is private, what would be the point in hiding them? Also there was a dude from ASCN who said we faked his killmail. The NPCs stole it and he refused to give us a copy so we made one up for him. We copied the last mega we killed which had t2 gear, this guy had t1. So we obviously cheated there to make us look more uber... That about wraps up our fake killmails. Now thats where charm comes in, during our ascn contract, same thing happened to me, I chatted with the guy for a while told him what good fight he gave me and how unlucky he was, then got down on one knee and popped the question, the reply came and he said, ofc i'll send you the mail m8, no problem. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:51:00 - [101] Originally by: DamienV One may hate BE at times, but you cannot deny they are an impressive PVP group. GJ to all of you. If your idea of good PvP is ganking NPCers and using plenty of EW and avoidance tactics, then yes, they are very good at what they do. Their playstyle takes patience and dedication. When I pirate I use much the same tactics as them, which led to a 120-2 kill ratio in my favour. Am I a great PvPer? Not really. Ganking NPCers and travellers takes a degree of skill. But not much, its more a question of sticking to your tactics and being patient.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 15:52:00 - [102] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 15:58:30 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti You accused them of faiking killmails. Pretty big accusation which you can't back up. Christopher.. I'm going to repost what I said on the first page, so you can read it again with a clear head.... Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. Ive highlighted the relevant wording for you... "hard to believe" means that one is having trouble believing what the OP has written... not impossible, but hard. Now.... when "mercs" make their end of contract announcements... we have to take what they say pretty much at face value... why? The contract is anonymous, and also there are kills that span a period of time.. which sometimes is undisclosed.. or against a multitude of targets. The reality is very few of us can actually be bothered to sit down and count up all the mails.. I know I can't be bothered... so really we have to take what the "mercs" say at face value. So in terms of PR, the mercs reputation and word is everything. All I said at the start of this thread was that I found it hard to believe the content of the OP, not because of what was actually written, but because of who had written it.... do you see the difference? Ofc BE flew into a blind rage, after reading my pretty mild post and well.... in effect we are now back to square one... Do we believe BE or not? Some do, some don't .. thats fine.... the really funny thing is that it doesn't actually matter, because....... Originally by: Burn Eden We don't care
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:17:00 - [103] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 15:58:30 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti You accused them of faiking killmails. Pretty big accusation which you can't back up. Christopher.. I'm going to repost what I said on the first page, so you can read it again with a clear head.... Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. Ive highlighted the relevant wording for you... "hard to believe" means that one is having trouble believing what the OP has written... not impossible, but hard. Now.... when "mercs" make their end of contract announcements... we have to take what they say pretty much at face value... why? The contract is anonymous, and also there are kills that span a period of time.. which sometimes is undisclosed.. or against a multitude of targets. The reality is very few of us can actually be bothered to sit down and count up all the mails.. I know I can't be bothered... so really we have to take what the "mercs" say at face value. So in terms of PR, the mercs reputation and word is everything. All I said at the start of this thread was that I found it hard to believe the content of the OP, not because of what was actually written, but because of who had written it.... do you see the difference? Ofc BE flew into a blind rage, after reading my pretty mild post and well.... in effect we are now back to square one... Do we believe BE or not? Some do, some don't .. thats fine.... the really funny thing is that it doesn't actually matter, because....... Originally by: Burn Eden We don't care If I am being honest I don't believe that BE have as many contracts as they make out if any at all. Maybe they have picked up the odd contract over they many months and years of combat, but to be honest I think they use the contract angle so they can get away with posting their stats on this forum, an allowance that is only made to Merc corps to publicise how good they and get future work. Do you think BE care if they never get another merc contract. I don't think they do because I don't think they are mercs. The stats are none the less impressive as always. The photoshop incident I thought was incredibly clever, well thought out and executed apart from the very last action of posting the screenshot. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:27:00 - [104] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If I am being honest I don't believe that BE have as many contracts as they make out if any at all. Maybe they have picked up the odd contract over they many months and years of combat, but to be honest I think they use the contract angle so they can get away with posting their stats on this forum, an allowance that is only made to Merc corps to publicise how good they and get future work. Do you think BE care if they never get another merc contract. I don't think they do because I don't think they are mercs. ... now we are getting to the crux of the issue.... arer BE mercs or not? .... did they have a contract or not? If you believe they are not mercs, or that the contract is non-existant..by implication you are also saying that they should not be allowed to post their stats on this section of the boards, be they impressive or not. Are BE taking advantage of a the "merc" loophole as far as stat posting is concerned? That is a good question. If they are not really mercs, then they have no business posting their stats here. No? Maybe we should ask Burn Eden... are you really mercenaries or are you only mercenaries when it suits you... for example for the purpose of publishing your stats?
StoreSlem Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:35:00 - [105] Shin Ra, I want to make romantic explosion in your nose. "If you were experiencing a lag, it was not server related."
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:46:00 - [106] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 16:31:12 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti If I am being honest I don't believe that BE have as many contracts as they make out if any at all. Maybe they have picked up the odd contract over they many months and years of combat, but to be honest I think they use the contract angle so they can get away with posting their stats on this forum, an allowance that is only made to Merc corps to publicise how good they and get future work. Do you think BE care if they never get another merc contract. I don't think they do because I don't think they are mercs. ... now we are getting to the crux of the issue.... are BE mercs or not? .... did they have a contract or not? If you believe they are not mercs, or that the contract is non-existant..by implication you are also saying that they should not be allowed to post their stats on this section of the boards, be they impressive or not. Are BE taking advantage of the "merc" loophole as far as stat posting is concerned? That is a good question. If they are not really mercs, then they have no business posting their stats here. No? Maybe we should ask Burn Eden... are you really mercenaries or are you only mercenaries when it suits you... for example for the purpose of publishing your stats? Whether I think they are merc or not dosen't matter at all, If they say they are mercs then who is to say they are not with any real certainty. It's ISD who have allowed merc corps to post stats on these forums, until they change the rules, let BE post away I could't care less. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 16:56:00 - [107] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Whether I think they are merc or not dosen't matter at all, If they say they are mercs then who is to say they are not with any real certainty. It's ISD who have allowed merc corps to post stats on these forums, until they change the rules, let BE post away I could't care less. Fine.. maybe you aren't bothered wether Burn Eden are mercs or not, and wether they post their stats or not.. however... will you start caring if lots of random corps start saying they are mercs too, in order to publish stats from dubious contracts?... I think you would.. well certainly ISD would. ISD allow merc corps to post stats.... perhaps its time to define what exactly a merc corp is... The reputable merc corporations out there.. usually announce a contract start date and when the contract ends, they publish their stats. Why can't Burn Eden do the same? ... perhaps they rounded up the stats after two weeks.. and thought.. ooh these look nice, lets publish.. contract or no contract... hmmm ... It kind of makes a mockery out of proper merc corps, that do announce a start date and then a finish date.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:01:00 - [108] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 18/11/2006 17:02:13 Originally by: Nez Perces Will you start caring if lots of random corps start saying they are mercs too, in order to publish stats from dubious contracts? Nope, anyone can do it if they like, I really couldn't care less. Edit: IMO the rule has always been easily exploitable and I have never agreed with it. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:02:00 - [109] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Whether I think they are merc or not dosen't matter at all, If they say they are mercs then who is to say they are not with any real certainty. It's ISD who have allowed merc corps to post stats on these forums, until they change the rules, let BE post away I could't care less. Fine.. maybe you aren't bothered wether Burn Eden are mercs or not, and wether they post their stats or not.. however... will you start caring if lots of random corps start saying they are mercs too, in order to publish stats from dubious contracts?... I think you would.. well certainly ISD would. ISD allow merc corps to post stats.... perhaps its time to define what exactly a merc corp is... The reputable merc corporations out there.. usually announce a contract start date and when the contract ends, they publish their stats. Why can't Burn Eden do the same? ... perhaps they rounded up the stats after two weeks.. and thought.. ooh these look nice, lets publish.. contract or no contract... hmmm ... It kind of makes a mockery out of proper merc corps, that do announce a start date and then a finish date. The are obvious disadvatanges with posting: "HEY, LOOK OUT EVERYONE WE ARE COMING TO YOUR SPACE TO TRY AND KILL YOU"
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:10:00 - [110] Originally by: Shin Ra The are obvious disadvatanges with posting: "HEY, LOOK OUT EVERYONE WE ARE COMING TO YOUR SPACE TO TRY AND KILL YOU" There are workarounds.. you can put up a contract start post with undisclosed target and undisdclosed time period.... to be then edited once you arrive on site. Or you can make your contract announcment a few hours after arriving at your target... your target will realise whats going on as soon as you make your first kill anyhow. Now, that you have made your killboard private, there is no way to track the contracts progress anyhow... so there is no worry of giving away tactical information. There is no reason why you can't have a contract start date, simply for the record.. that is unless what you are doing becomes a contract after the event....
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:15:00 - [111] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Whether I think they are merc or not dosen't matter at all, If they say they are mercs then who is to say they are not with any real certainty. It's ISD who have allowed merc corps to post stats on these forums, until they change the rules, let BE post away I could't care less. Fine.. maybe you aren't bothered wether Burn Eden are mercs or not, and wether they post their stats or not.. however... will you start caring if lots of random corps start saying they are mercs too, in order to publish stats from dubious contracts?... I think you would.. well certainly ISD would. ISD allow merc corps to post stats.... perhaps its time to define what exactly a merc corp is... The reputable merc corporations out there.. usually announce a contract start date and when the contract ends, they publish their stats. Why can't Burn Eden do the same? ... perhaps they rounded up the stats after two weeks.. and thought.. ooh these look nice, lets publish.. contract or no contract... hmmm ... It kind of makes a mockery out of proper merc corps, that do announce a start date and then a finish date. We might post a thread about conntract start if it was an official war dec on an alliance or such since they would know in advance anyway, but we dont like to warn people that we are comming to their space, like u can see in their thread people have said we got the most kills on them the first days coz they didnt expect us there. MC always announce their start coz they declare war , we only do 0.0 jobs . And NO we are not full time mercs, we are more like a group of assasins that gets hired when someone with deep pockets want real results. If u are againts us postin the stats here just dont read the thread.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:21:00 - [112] Originally by: Heinky but we dont like to warn people that we are comming to their space, like u can see in their thread people have said we got the most kills on them the first days coz they didnt expect us there. MC always announce their start coz they declare war , we only do 0.0 jobs . It doesn't matter where your target is located..... you are a part-time merc/assassin corp (or something)..... you pvp all the time right? Now.. if you turn up in somebody's space and kill something they are then alerted to your presence no?... well they ought to be. Well then as soon as you make your first kill of the contract you can then make a post. I don't see how this would alert them to your presence more than by killing one of their ships. Unless you guys are using the infamous jedi mind trick "We are not here in your space killing your ships..... move along now"
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:31:00 - [113] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Heinky but we dont like to warn people that we are comming to their space, like u can see in their thread people have said we got the most kills on them the first days coz they didnt expect us there. MC always announce their start coz they declare war , we only do 0.0 jobs . It doesn't matter where your target is located..... you are a part-time merc/assassin corp (or something)..... you pvp all the time right? Now.. if you turn up in somebody's space and kill something they are then alerted to your presence no?... well they ought to be. Well then as soon as you make your first kill of the contract you can then make a post. I don't see how this would alert them to your presence more than by killing one of their ships. Unless you guys are using the infamous jedi mind trick "We are not here in your space killing your ships..... move along now" Of course it matters where they are located if theres a conntract. U are trying to say that we choose whats a conntract or not after beeing in an area, but your very wrong. If that would be the case u would see a post from us after every single week coz the stats are always as good. We do merc jobs when we are offered enuff money and if we can be botherd to that area or after the target. We have never posted a start of any conntract for tactical reasons, wich we find very usefull and we dont see any reason to post it once we are in the area since the people we are attecking already know that it has started. NUFF SAID Seleene just posted that MC is starting 2 conntracts or 1 on 2 alliances dont know wich it is and thats how MC wanna do it we dont, so it doesnt matter if u like it or not thats how we do it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:39:00 - [114] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 17:43:20 Originally by: Heinky Seleene just posted that MC is starting 2 conntracts or 1 on 2 alliances dont know wich it is and thats how MC wanna do it we dont, so it doesnt matter if u like it or not thats how we do it. Well fine.. you want to make no allowance's for your reader's reasonable doubt. Your kb is now private, you won't announce a start date for your contracts, you freely admit that you are not real mercs and you don't do empire wars and only attack 0.0 entities, which you do all the time anyhow wether on "contract" or not. But then do not act surprised when .. 1. Readers don't believe you had a contract. 2. Readers don't believe you are even part-time mercs. 3. Readers think your stats are suspect. 4. Readers don't think you deserve the priveledge to post your stats on this section of the board. .... I know, I know.. at the end of the day you "don't care" anyways....
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 17:58:00 - [115] Edited by: Heinky on 18/11/2006 18:00:28 Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 17:43:20 Originally by: Heinky Seleene just posted that MC is starting 2 conntracts or 1 on 2 alliances dont know wich it is and thats how MC wanna do it we dont, so it doesnt matter if u like it or not thats how we do it. Well fine.. you want to make no allowance's for your reader's reasonable doubt. Your kb is now private, you won't announce a start date for your contracts, you freely admit that you are not real mercs and you don't do empire wars and only attack 0.0 entities, which you do all the time anyhow wether on "contract" or not. But then do not act surprised when .. 1. Readers don't believe you had a contract. 2. Readers don't believe you are even part-time mercs. 3. Readers think your stats are suspect. 4. Readers don't think you deserve the priveledge to post your stats on this section of the board. .... I know, I know.. at the end of the day you "don't care" anyways.... Our kb is private now for setup copying reasons, earlier in this thread someone in cva said he could confrim that the numbers could be just about right, our kb,s in the past were always open and all previous kills or merc deals were veryfied there, so lets move on with that. We are not doing merc deals all the time , we can still take conntracts and at that time we are working as mercs. We could be merc full time if we wanted, but we throw away many merc deal offers for many diffrent reasons.We dont do empire wars because they are boring and u cant kill everything around u, we stick to 0.0 deals only and almost always take area deals wich means we can kill everything in sight, and yes when we are not doing merc deals we pretty much do the same and we love it, so why not get paid for doing what u do anyway ? we have alot of fun doing it. What the readers think is up to them, we post our stats to show people what ill heppened when they hire us and we keep on getting more and more offers as the time passes, thos who think stats are lies and there was never a conntract or that we are not merc just wont hire us simple, those who look at the stats and know its true they come trying to hire us and if we take the deal they get the same done to their enemy. So this is all done for the people that are in the need for us. ps: nez just stop posting here, coz as i explained this thread is for the people that wanna know and do trust us.
Xendie Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:01:00 - [116] Originally by: Nez Perces ... I'm sorry but its very hard to believe you had a contract. It is equally hard to believe your stats. You burned whatever reputation you had as 'mercs' with the photoshop episode. ... and don't say " We don't give a ** " cause obviously you do, or you wouldn't have started this thread. however it is more likely that Burn Eden to have a contract that someone else pays them for then KIA dont you think? Quote:** Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:08:00 - [117] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 18:10:07 Originally by: Xendie however it is more likely that Burn Eden to have a contract that someone else pays them for then KIA dont you think? There is a big difference... Kia and KiaEddz in particular have never given us a reason to disbelieve them....(at least not that I am aware of). You know what they say don't you.. "Once bitten, twice shy". Infact Kia go to great lengths to remove reasonable doubt from their contracts, as do MC, as do quite a few other mercenary corporations. BE make no such allowances... and as Heinky said, ultimately the reader can believe what they want... but then they absolutely can't flame people who don't believe them.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:09:00 - [118] Originally by: Nez Perces Well fine.. you want to make no allowance's for your reader's reasonable doubt. Your kb is now private, you won't announce a start date for your contracts, you freely admit that you are not real mercs and you don't do empire wars and only attack 0.0 entities, which you do all the time anyhow wether on "contract" or not. But then do not act surprised when .. 1. Readers don't believe you had a contract. 2. Readers don't believe you are even part-time mercs. 3. Readers think your stats are suspect. 4. Readers don't think you deserve the priveledge to post your stats on this section of the board. .... I know, I know.. at the end of the day you "don't care" anyways.... These discussions took place 18 months ago after the defeat of SE (mark 1). The conclusion was that if you don't believe it, WE DONT CARE. If you want to make us look bad, we will obviously defend ourselves. Nobody has had any issues with this in the last 18 months, so what excatly is your problem?
swamp zyro	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:14:00 - [119] I just want to say that you lost a commandship to an EPST raven, and a raven to an EPST POS XD Was the same pilot too.
Swamp Ziro EPSILON TEAM Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:15:00 - [120] Originally by: swamp zyro I just want to say that you lost a commandship to an EPST raven, and a raven to an EPST POS XD Was the same pilot too. dammit ^ = me (obviously)
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:17:00 - [121] Originally by: Shin Ra Nobody has had any issues with this in the last 18 months, so what excatly is your problem? Your reputation took a huge hit with the photoshop episode... and yet you made no acknowledgement of it, instead chosing to post BE OMGwepwnzor stat thread #1235667 as if the whole photoshop episode had never happened. I just pointed out that I found it hard to believe you had a contract, which I am perfectly entitled to say.... given your lack of allowance for reasonable doubt and the last time you took centre stage on the forums. But you had to up the ante.. with Satan flaming me, and yourself having a go.. you wanna dance? we can dance.. but then don't sit there wondering why it happened.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:51:00 - [122] Originally by: swamp zyro I just want to say that you lost a commandship to an EPST raven, and a raven to an EPST POS XD Was the same pilot too. Correct. The absolution is counted in our stats. The other command ship we lost was a nighthawk to CVA. The raven was not counter, as mentioned earlier. Heinky warped to a belt and landed at your POS. This was clearly a bug of some sort, logs prooved it and ship was reimbursed.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 18:59:00 - [123] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Shin Ra Nobody has had any issues with this in the last 18 months, so what excatly is your problem? Your reputation took a huge hit with the photoshop episode... and yet you made no acknowledgement of it, instead chosing to post BE OMGwepwnzor stat thread #1235667 as if the whole photoshop episode had never happened. I just pointed out that I found it hard to believe you had a contract, which I am perfectly entitled to say.... given your lack of allowance for reasonable doubt and the last time you took centre stage on the forums. But you had to up the ante.. with Satan flaming me, and yourself having a go.. you wanna dance? we can dance.. but then don't sit there wondering why it happened. That all fine and well, and you can draw as much attention to that as you want. It wasn't a good thing, but it certainly wasn't a bad thing either. Do you think that before that we were some reliable and friendly pvp corp? No, we were the same people. The same smacktards who everyone else is so jealous of. As most of those quotes u posted earlier say, to those people we had no reputation anyway. So what does it matter? I still don't know why you are the only person making such a big deal of it. Fair enough if you want to get one over on us, but its really not effective at doing so. I don't know what you hope to accomplish by having a dance off, but have been verbally owned so many times already in this thread alone I'll at least give you an A for effort. And I am not sitting here puzzled as to why your making a fool of yourself continuously. Every time I make such a post there are always a few people who take it really personally and get involved in the flame wars afterwards. This time its you who chose the self-headshot. Live and learn.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:13:00 - [124] Originally by: Shin Ra Fair enough if you want to get one over on us, but its really not effective at doing so. My interest is to knock you down a peg or two.. its just healthy... or else your head might explode. Like Heinky said, readers will make their own minds up.... If it makes you happy to believe that everybody who disagrees with you is a smacktard and that 99% of the EVE community are noobs... well thats your prerrogative.. along with believing that you "verbally owned" this thread........ I'll let you get back to your little bubble of happiness now.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:18:00 - [125] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Shin Ra Fair enough if you want to get one over on us, but its really not effective at doing so. My interest is to knock you down a peg or two.. its just healthy... or else your head might explode. Like Heinky said, readers will make their own minds up.... If it makes you happy to believe that everybody who disagrees with you is a smacktard and that 99% of the EVE community are noobs... well thats your prerrogative.. along with believing that you "verbally owned" this thread........ I'll let you get back to your little bubble of happiness now. Your mistaken, I claimed to vebally own you, not the other people in this thread. Now I see you are backing off, thus confirming my above statement.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:21:00 - [126] Edited by: Nez Perces on 18/11/2006 19:25:27 Originally by: Shin Ra Your mistaken, I claimed to vebally own you, not the other people in this thread. Well you can claim whatever you wish can't you.... as this whole thread proves... I'm not backing off I'm trying to let our little vendetta subside, so you can have your thread back.. unless you wanna keep going like this all night? [edit:typo]
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:25:00 - [127] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Shin Ra Your mistaken, I claimed to vebally own you, not the other people in this thread. Well you can claim whatever you wish can't you.... as this whole thread proves... I'm not backing off I'm trying to let our little vendeta subside, so you can have your thread back.. unless you wanna keep going like this all night? I didn't realise how personal this was to you. Cya
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:28:00 - [128] Originally by: Shin Ra I didn't realise how personal this was to you. Cya .. its a figure of speech ShinRa... I should have put it in apostrophes, like so .... 'little vendetta'.... for the lack of a better term .
Badboy Geezer Legionari Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.18 19:50:00 - [129] nice stats BE. Only thing i dont like is when you dont post losses
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 20:12:00 - [130] Originally by: Badboy Geezer nice stats BE. Only thing i dont like is when you dont post losses We always post losses, first thing we do kill or die we post the mail. Only losses or kills we dont post is those on our alts. Our KB will not allow posting mails with no UDIE members involved, and trust me it sucks. My alt gets 10-15mails a day, and they do nothing but sit in my mailbox.
hantwo S.A.S	Posted - 2006.11.18 20:39:00 - [131] Originally by: Shin Ra We've had plenty of previous contracts posted on these forums with equally good stats and they have all been verified on our old killboard. With the obvious exception of our dictors. We do not keep them in noob corps to hide our losses, its for tactical reasons. Besides, now that our KB is private, what would be the point in hiding them? Also there was a dude from ASCN who said we faked his killmail. The NPCs stole it and he refused to give us a copy so we made one up for him. We copied the last mega we killed which had t2 gear, this guy had t1. So we obviously cheated there to make us look more uber... That about wraps up our fake killmails. thats pretty lame tbh
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.18 20:50:00 - [132] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Shin Ra I didn't realise how personal this was to you. Cya .. its a figure of speech ShinRa... I should have put it in apostrophes, like so .... 'little vendetta'.... for the lack of a better term . Burn Eden owned you at some point in your short playtime of Eve and you're back with a vengeance, whining at them with tears in your eyes? We're all very impressed and stuff but arguing with you is like kicking roadkill. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 20:56:00 - [133] Originally by: hantwo Originally by: Shin Ra We've had plenty of previous contracts posted on these forums with equally good stats and they have all been verified on our old killboard. With the obvious exception of our dictors. We do not keep them in noob corps to hide our losses, its for tactical reasons. Besides, now that our KB is private, what would be the point in hiding them? Also there was a dude from ASCN who said we faked his killmail. The NPCs stole it and he refused to give us a copy so we made one up for him. We copied the last mega we killed which had t2 gear, this guy had t1. So we obviously cheated there to make us look more uber... That about wraps up our fake killmails. thats pretty lame tbh We got the idea from your corp.
Butter Dog ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:00:00 - [134] Originally by: Shin Ra The same smacktards who everyone else is so jealous of. I don't think anyone is 'jealous' of you as such. What you do is not difficult, it just takes patience and employing some pretty common sense tactics. It also takes a lot of play time. You do what you do well, but its really not that hard to do if you have a bit of intelligence. So much so, that I really don't know why more pirate corporations do not follow your lead. Lack of discipline, I suspect.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:05:00 - [135] Originally by: Masta Killa Burn Eden owned you at some point in your short playtime of Eve and you're back with a vengeance, whining at them with tears in your eyes? We're all very impressed and stuff but arguing with you is like kicking roadkill. My character's birth pre-dates yours by 4 months.. MK... find some other item to flame with... I know what you are gonna say next.. I'm a noob anyway .. yadda yadda yadda.. I don't think I have died at BE's hands either or if I did it was so long ago neither I nor anybody else can remember... if it happened it was certainly before Shin Ra started playing.
Masta Killa The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:15:00 - [136] Originally by: Nez Perces My character's birth pre-dates yours by 4 months.. MK... find some other item to flame with... I know what you are gonna say next.. I'm a noob anyway .. yadda yadda yadda.. I don't think I have died at BE's hands either or if I did it was so long ago neither I nor anybody else can remember... if it happened it was certainly before Shin Ra started playing. Spare me your life story, keep crying but know that one day you'll get over how badly Burn Eden owns you. -------------------------------------- Different corp but we still show up and UDIE.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.18 21:57:00 - [137] This conversation is turning sour, its more fun to play eve i think. Medi evil 2, total war FTW. Quote: "Don't touch the RED butt
Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.18 22:24:00 - [138] Looks like fun was had, good job. ex-Occassus Republica <3
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:19:00 - [139] lol. Nice thread. Good stats. Very nice in fact... how many of those kills were against CVA, just out of interest... and I'm not seeing any real sign of the meaningful battles you talk about when i try and piece together action on your killboard... but hey hoe, we both know those stats are very nice looking. On a side note. If you ever wanna bring your ickle corp down to wherever we are at the time, and set about trying to get some stats to share vs KIA (I'm sure there are plenty of people that will pay you to do so.. you can even call it a contract and post a stats thread at the end!) then feel free to do so But have no doubts, we will pod you n your corp mates like shooting fish in the proverbial barrell. Good at what you do? yup you are, better than KIA? dont make baby jesus cry with your silly statements, you couldnt hold a candle to any pilot I have in my ranks. (if you are to take up on this challenge, please wait till after the wcs nerf so we dont need 6 point stillettos to hold you down) xx KIA EVE Home
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:27:00 - [140] Nice stats. Good to see you added the dictor pilots to the loss stats also this time Max --------------------
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:33:00 - [141] Looks like you had fun. I'm curious as to how those numbers in isk are calculated... compared to every other KB around you're off by a "few" bils
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:52:00 - [142] pfft BE arent that important have been killed by em in the past was fun hunting em to. Raven + sensor damps really influenced my later successful fittings in various engagements Good luck in whatever u guys end up doing next - perhaps a raid on BOB space might be in order i wonder if ASCN have approached u yet to take a trip to delve
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 16:55:00 - [143] Originally by: ElCoCo Looks like you had fun. I'm curious as to how those numbers in isk are calculated... compared to every other KB around you're off by a "few" bils When Mordo and Liquidism modded the killboard, they changed the value of ships to what their REAL market value is to give a better indication of isk lost. Here is a few of the stats: Ship - Type - Points - Value in isk Vagabond Heavy assault 1.250 230.000.000 Vengeance Assault frigate 150 10.500.000 Vexor Cruiser 250 4.300.000 Vexor MK2 Unknown 0 4.377.500 Vexor Navy Issue Cruiser 250 240.000.000 Viator Transport 30 21.500.000 Vigil Frigate 50 105.000 Vigil MK2 Unknown 0 172.500 Vigilant Cruiser 250 9.300.000 Vigilant MK2 Unknown 0 8.000.000 Vindicator Battleship 1.000 950.000.000 Visitant Unknown 0 196.000 Vulture Command ship 1.500 98.000.000 Wolf Assault frigate 150 17.500.000 Worm Frigate 50 30.000.000 Wreathe Industrial 20 330.000 Wyvern Mothership 100.000 25.000.000.000 Zealot Heavy assault 1.250 175.000.000
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:01:00 - [144] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: ElCoCo Looks like you had fun. I'm curious as to how those numbers in isk are calculated... compared to every other KB around you're off by a "few" bils When Mordo and Liquidism modded the killboard, they changed the value of ships to what their REAL market value is to give a better indication of isk lost. Here is a few of the stats: Ship - Type - Points - Value in isk Vagabond Heavy assault 1.250 230.000.000 Vengeance Assault frigate 150 10.500.000 Vexor Cruiser 250 4.300.000 Vexor MK2 Unknown 0 4.377.500 Vexor Navy Issue Cruiser 250 240.000.000 Viator Transport 30 21.500.000 Vigil Frigate 50 105.000 Vigil MK2 Unknown 0 172.500 Vigilant Cruiser 250 9.300.000 Vigilant MK2 Unknown 0 8.000.000 Vindicator Battleship 1.000 950.000.000 Visitant Unknown 0 196.000 Vulture Command ship 1.500 98.000.000 Wolf Assault frigate 150 17.500.000 Worm Frigate 50 30.000.000 Wreathe Industrial 20 330.000 Wyvern Mothership 100.000 25.000.000.000 Zealot Heavy assault 1.250 175.000.000 /me forsees another argument about market value vs actual replacement value vs opportunity cost of internal T2 sales on killboards (head explodes) Max --------------------
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:06:00 - [145] Originally by: KIAEddZ lol. Nice thread. Good stats. Very nice in fact... how many of those kills were against CVA, just out of interest... and I'm not seeing any real sign of the meaningful battles you talk about when i try and piece together action on your killboard... but hey hoe, we both know those stats are very nice looking. On a side note. If you ever wanna bring your ickle corp down to wherever we are at the time, and set about trying to get some stats to share vs KIA (I'm sure there are plenty of people that will pay you to do so.. you can even call it a contract and post a stats thread at the end!) then feel free to do so But have no doubts, we will pod you n your corp mates like shooting fish in the proverbial barrell. Good at what you do? yup you are, better than KIA? dont make baby jesus cry with your silly statements, you couldnt hold a candle to any pilot I have in my ranks. (if you are to take up on this challenge, please wait till after the wcs nerf so we dont need 6 point stillettos to hold you down) xx If your trying to convince yourself that Black is White then fair enough. But I refuse to believe anyone in EVE, besides yourself, would be stupid enough to even entertain the thought that KIA is even close to as good as we are. As the lesser corp, the onus is on you to proove yourselves. We would not waste our time satifying egos, but you clearly have it all to proove so please try.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:09:00 - [146] Originally by: Max Teranous /me forsees another argument about market value vs actual replacement value vs opportunity cost of internal T2 sales on killboards (head explodes) I don't see what the problem is, D2 use the same system and if anything its more realistic. But to be honest, most people look the the number of ships killed not the isk damage done.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:36:00 - [147] In your original post you say this: Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 -stuff- As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. And then: Originally by: Shin Ra If your trying to convince yourself that Black is White then fair enough. But I refuse to believe anyone in EVE, besides yourself, would be stupid enough to even entertain the thought that KIA is even close to as good as we are. As the lesser corp, the onus is on you to proove yourselves. We would not waste our time satifying egos, but you clearly have it all to proove so please try. Despite all you say you are the ones who seem to have set KIA as the milestone against which you found it necessary to prove yourselves. It wasn't the other way round. Bullpooh aside... why not put your money where your big fat gob is and show EVE how much better than KIA you are?
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:40:00 - [148] Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Badboy Geezer nice stats BE. Only thing i dont like is when you dont post losses We always post losses, first thing we do kill or die we post the mail. Only losses or kills we dont post is those on our alts. Our KB will not allow posting mails with no UDIE members involved, and trust me it sucks. My alt gets 10-15mails a day, and they do nothing but sit in my mailbox. Why not just put your alts in the corp, it's not like they don't get known in very short order.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:46:00 - [149] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Badboy Geezer nice stats BE. Only thing i dont like is when you dont post losses We always post losses, first thing we do kill or die we post the mail. Only losses or kills we dont post is those on our alts. Our KB will not allow posting mails with no UDIE members involved, and trust me it sucks. My alt gets 10-15mails a day, and they do nothing but sit in my mailbox. Why not just put your alts in the corp, it's not like they don't get known in very short order. Honor and respect versus kills and efficiency. I know which one I'd take every time.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:49:00 - [150] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Bullpooh aside... why not put your money where your big fat gob is and show EVE how much better than KIA you are? EVE already knows this statement to be true. KIA knows it too but will say anything to build their crappy reputation up again. If you want to proove yourself come get us. We will not waste our time chasing your around till you log off.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:51:00 - [151] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: SATAN Originally by: Badboy Geezer nice stats BE. Only thing i dont like is when you dont post losses We always post losses, first thing we do kill or die we post the mail. Only losses or kills we dont post is those on our alts. Our KB will not allow posting mails with no UDIE members involved, and trust me it sucks. My alt gets 10-15mails a day, and they do nothing but sit in my mailbox. Why not just put your alts in the corp, it's not like they don't get known in very short order. Believe it or not a lot of people dont get the connection 8). So we leave them out and it does result in more people saying only one BE in system its clear. WildCat
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 17:59:00 - [152] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Der Pfaffe Bullpooh aside... why not put your money where your big fat gob is and show EVE how much better than KIA you are? EVE already knows this statement to be true. KIA knows it too but will say anything to build their crappy reputation up again. If you want to proove yourself come get us. We will not waste our time chasing your around till you log off. Love it..... a BE member complaining about somebody logging off...... Again mate you are the ones who seem desperate to do the prooving. You are the ones that set us as the standard you wish to proove yourselves better than. BE certainly do not appear anywhere on our radar as a corp we would wish to compare ourselves with.
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:12:00 - [153] Originally by: Shin Ra As you can see we pwned more than any other merc has done there recently, prooving once and for all how much better than KIA we are. Obvious to anyone with ingame experience with both. KIA would be annihilating you on post count if they had a successful contract, though.
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:14:00 - [154] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Der Pfaffe Bullpooh aside... why not put your money where your big fat gob is and show EVE how much better than KIA you are? EVE already knows this statement to be true. KIA knows it too but will say anything to build their crappy reputation up again. If you want to proove yourself come get us. We will not waste our time chasing your around till you log off. Love it..... a BE member complaining about somebody logging off...... Again mate you are the ones who seem desperate to do the prooving. You are the ones that set us as the standard you wish to proove yourselves better than. BE certainly do not appear anywhere on our radar as a corp we would wish to compare ourselves with. I'm saying you wouldn't be able to touch us. Your only option would be run away or log off. I don't know where you have this idea that you are good at PVP. Having a 4:1 kill ratio is really bad and the fact you have to carebear for your isk makes you not a real PVP corp anyway. But in terms of KIAs accomplishments I really can't think of anything major you've ever done besides complain.
Lamb Chop KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:18:00 - [155] If you think you have anything to prove and it can be accomplished by fighting, pls do dec us, Even your wcs racks will not save you as it was proven to our respective marks over and over. On a side note i don't know whatever to be offended or honoured to be seen as a benchmark in Mercenary work by such a bottom of the barrel stab huggers.
Ktor Caldari Cosmic research and production services Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:21:00 - [156] Originally by: Shin Ra Edited by: Shin Ra on 17/11/2006 20:05:50 then there were all the ASCN, UNITY, ISS, BOS and Slyph who logged to save their ships or save their pods. If you would kindly provide me with an Eve mail of the Sylph pilots who supposedly logged out during combat I'll have a word with them about there conduct. Ktor Sylph Alliance
dailyhazard Caldari Cosmic Fusion	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:22:00 - [157] Originally by: Lamb Chop If you think you have anything to prove and it can be accomplished by fighting, pls do dec us, Even your wcs racks will not save you as it was proven to our respective marks over and over. On a side note i don't know whatever to be offended or honoured to be seen as a benchmark in Mercenary work by such a bottom of the barrel stab huggers. Bottom of the barrel, but the barrel would seem to roll straight over you. I would tend to agree with shin ra, whenever kia is brought up as a reputable mercenary corp i always question it, not to the fact that they dont have a reputation but its more the fact that i fali to see any "good" or high standard results to back it up.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 18:52:00 - [158] Originally by: dailyhazard Originally by: Lamb Chop If you think you have anything to prove and it can be accomplished by fighting, pls do dec us, Even your wcs racks will not save you as it was proven to our respective marks over and over. On a side note i don't know whatever to be offended or honoured to be seen as a benchmark in Mercenary work by such a bottom of the barrel stab huggers. Bottom of the barrel, but the barrel would seem to roll straight over you. I would tend to agree with shin ra, whenever kia is brought up as a reputable mercenary corp i always question it, not to the fact that they dont have a reputation but its more the fact that i fali to see any "good" or high standard results to back it up. Well whether the barrel will roll straight over us has yet to be proven which is why we are asking BE to put their money where their mouths are. They brought us into their thread saying they had proven themselves to be better than KIA, not the other way round. I don't remember KIA writing a contract report saying "look how much better than BE we are".. they have set us as their benchmark not the other way round. I don't see you hiring us anytime soon so whatever you may think of KIA is irrelevant. Our services are in high demand and we turn down far more contract offers than we take on. Our reputation is what it is and whether you think it is backed up by results or not is of little consequence. Our clients like us
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:00:00 - [159] Bit of an apples and oranges comparison going on here. Burn Eden would be ineffective for targetting a specific organization. They camp gates. And they really only have the numbers to handle one gate at a time. You're not going to slow down a proper organization by camping a gate. You'll get a nice efficiency rating, and that's about it. KIA are mercs. They are given a specific assignment to cause harm to an organization...and they tend to do precisely that. When KIA was (fairly) recently hired against the CVA, I think that the CVA accounted for ourselves quite nicely...but the effects of the contract within CVA ranks were noticable. Overall awareness had to be increased across all corps and areas of CVA operations...and where people didn't want to pay attention, KIA made us pay. With Burn Eden camping in r3...well, it was an easy enough matter to get 'em off the gate if we needed 'em off, and an easy enough matter to let a handful of pilots entertain themselves with Burn Eden when posession of the gate didn't matter. At a guess, I'd say Burn Eden are a gaming clan that is involved in multiple games for the single purpose of killboard status. They can devote the patience to efficient (and boring) gate camping because they probably have any number of other games running in the back-ground for when targets are unavailable at a given gate or the sovereign alliance has the gate secured. KIA function as a part of the Eve community, taking on contracts and making a reputation for themselves in what I would consider a more meaningful way by actively involving themselves in their contracts and seeking out means to bring the target alliance to its knees. Open ended nature of Eve. Burn Eden's style is not "wrong." They have set the definition for their success in Eve (as any player is able to do) and they have pursued that success to the extreme. For myself, I prefer KIA's style. But that's just me.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:18:00 - [160] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Der Pfaffe Bullpooh aside... why not put your money where your big fat gob is and show EVE how much better than KIA you are? EVE already knows this statement to be true. KIA knows it too but will say anything to build their crappy reputation up again. If you want to proove yourself come get us. We will not waste our time chasing your around till you log off. Love it..... a BE member complaining about somebody logging off...... Again mate you are the ones who seem desperate to do the prooving. You are the ones that set us as the standard you wish to proove yourselves better than. BE certainly do not appear anywhere on our radar as a corp we would wish to compare ourselves with. I'm saying you wouldn't be able to touch us. Your only option would be run away or log off. I don't know where you have this idea that you are good at PVP. Having a 4:1 kill ratio is really bad and the fact you have to carebear for your isk makes you not a real PVP corp anyway. But in terms of KIAs accomplishments I really can't think of anything major you've ever done besides complain. Again you are trying to compare your style of PVP with ours. The two are different. As I mentioned in an earlier post you guys are basically pirates that go into an area, kill everything you come across and then call it a "contract". We generally try to avoid killing neutrals and also take Empire contracts which require a bit more than a dictor and a couple of long range Ravens. What major thing have BE accomplished by the way? Last post can't be bothered anymore. Dec us or STFU
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:35:00 - [161] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Again you are trying to compare your style of PVP with ours. The two are different. As I mentioned in an earlier post you guys actually play the game and kill stuff. We generally try to avoid killing anything and also take forum contracts which require nothing more than a vivid imagination. Will be back to post a ton more later. Dec us or just gank our vagabonds for free like everyone else. Fixed it for ya.
Snodgey2004 Mega Modal M0nkeys	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:51:00 - [162] Originally by: Garreck Bit of an apples and oranges comparison going on here. Burn Eden would be ineffective for targetting a specific organization. They camp gates. And they really only have the numbers to handle one gate at a time. You're not going to slow down a proper organization by camping a gate. You'll get a nice efficiency rating, and that's about it. KIA are mercs. They are given a specific assignment to cause harm to an organization...and they tend to do precisely that. When KIA was (fairly) recently hired against the CVA, I think that the CVA accounted for ourselves quite nicely...but the effects of the contract within CVA ranks were noticable. Overall awareness had to be increased across all corps and areas of CVA operations...and where people didn't want to pay attention, KIA made us pay. With Burn Eden camping in r3...well, it was an easy enough matter to get 'em off the gate if we needed 'em off, and an easy enough matter to let a handful of pilots entertain themselves with Burn Eden when posession of the gate didn't matter. At a guess, I'd say Burn Eden are a gaming clan that is involved in multiple games for the single purpose of killboard status. They can devote the patience to efficient (and boring) gate camping because they probably have any number of other games running in the back-ground for when targets are unavailable at a given gate or the sovereign alliance has the gate secured. KIA function as a part of the Eve community, taking on contracts and making a reputation for themselves in what I would consider a more meaningful way by actively involving themselves in their contracts and seeking out means to bring the target alliance to its knees. Open ended nature of Eve. Burn Eden's style is not "wrong." They have set the definition for their success in Eve (as any player is able to do) and they have pursued that success to the extreme. For myself, I prefer KIA's style. But that's just me. Stop making sense **** you
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 19:59:00 - [163] Originally by: Raste Originally by: Der Pfaffe Again you are trying to compare your style of PVP with ours. The two are different. As I mentioned in an earlier post you guys actually play the game and kill stuff. We generally try to avoid killing anything and also take forum contracts which require nothing more than a vivid imagination. Will be back to post a ton more later. Dec us or just gank our vagabonds for free like everyone else. Fixed it for ya. Lol couldn't let this one slide.. Check our KB mate you will find the ratio for the contract is currently standing at around 10:1 in our favour so it's lucky for you we avoid killing stuff, and I'm sure us you wish we would spend even more time on the forum. And here you are posting on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with LV/V calling me a forum warrior etc... good job
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:01:00 - [164] Originally by: Snodgey2004 Originally by: Garreck Bit of an apples and oranges comparison going on here. Burn Eden would be ineffective for targetting a specific organization. They camp gates. And they really only have the numbers to handle one gate at a time. You're not going to slow down a proper organization by camping a gate. You'll get a nice efficiency rating, and that's about it. KIA are mercs. They are given a specific assignment to cause harm to an organization...and they tend to do precisely that. When KIA was (fairly) recently hired against the CVA, I think that the CVA accounted for ourselves quite nicely...but the effects of the contract within CVA ranks were noticable. Overall awareness had to be increased across all corps and areas of CVA operations...and where people didn't want to pay attention, KIA made us pay. With Burn Eden camping in r3...well, it was an easy enough matter to get 'em off the gate if we needed 'em off, and an easy enough matter to let a handful of pilots entertain themselves with Burn Eden when posession of the gate didn't matter. At a guess, I'd say Burn Eden are a gaming clan that is involved in multiple games for the single purpose of killboard status. They can devote the patience to efficient (and boring) gate camping because they probably have any number of other games running in the back-ground for when targets are unavailable at a given gate or the sovereign alliance has the gate secured. KIA function as a part of the Eve community, taking on contracts and making a reputation for themselves in what I would consider a more meaningful way by actively involving themselves in their contracts and seeking out means to bring the target alliance to its knees. Open ended nature of Eve. Burn Eden's style is not "wrong." They have set the definition for their success in Eve (as any player is able to do) and they have pursued that success to the extreme. For myself, I prefer KIA's style. But that's just me. Stop making sense **** you /signed Sense has no place in a BE thread...
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 20:32:00 - [165] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Last post can't be bothered anymore. Originally by: Der Pfaffe Lol couldn't let this one slide.. Check our KB mate you will find the ratio for the contract is currently standing at around 10:1 in our favour so it's lucky for you we avoid killing stuff, and I'm sure us you wish we would spend even more time on the forum. And here you are posting on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with LV/V calling me a forum warrior etc... good job Haha, 10:1 ratio vs LV? Would love to see proof of this, I'll just be impressed if you come close to covering your HAC losses. Might be time to switch to stabs, cheaper than snakes and dont have to bother logging the pod off. Sorry if this is the wrong thread, I cant keep straight who KIA is smacking where.
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:35:00 - [166] KIA thinks far to highly of themselves... I think KIA ought to prove itself to the entire EVE community and have a last-man-standing war with BE. Otherwise, I only see a bunch of forum warriors. ___________
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.20 21:40:00 - [167] Edited by: SATAN on 20/11/2006 21:41:55 I love how Shin's little jab at Kia got them so worked up, it was a joke guys. No one in their right mind would even think of comparing us to KIA or anyone else for that matter. Its like comparing an F1 car to a bunch VW bugs, they can both make it around a race track just one is much better at it than the others. He just said KIA because he knew it would get a rise out of them. So please get over it and take your place in food chain, that would be right in front of ISS and behind MC.
Crozon Crozon Corp	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:00:00 - [168] No matter your reason behind the photoshop incident, I think BE lost all credibility as a result. I for one, will not believe a word you say, which includes your killboard stats and log-off claims.
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:12:00 - [169] Originally by: Raste Originally by: Der Pfaffe Last post can't be bothered anymore. Originally by: Der Pfaffe Lol couldn't let this one slide.. Check our KB mate you will find the ratio for the contract is currently standing at around 10:1 in our favour so it's lucky for you we avoid killing stuff, and I'm sure us you wish we would spend even more time on the forum. And here you are posting on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with LV/V calling me a forum warrior etc... good job Haha, 10:1 ratio vs LV? Would love to see proof of this, I'll just be impressed if you come close to covering your HAC losses. Might be time to switch to stabs, cheaper than snakes and dont have to bother logging the pod off. Sorry if this is the wrong thread, I cant keep straight who KIA is smacking where. LOL you think this is smack? Anyway I said check our Kill board not yours. Here's a picture for you in case you didn't get the one in the other thread, which at least has the merit of concerning you and your alliance. Link You are correct about the 10:1 I exaggerated, it's around 9:1. However, I think your 3 exhumer losses alone cover our HAC losses. I said contract which includes LV/-V-.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:21:00 - [170] Smack is part of eve, no matter how nice some one may present their words, it still smack in Disguise, the power to ** someone off. at the end of the day we all lick each others balls on meet ups and fun fest, hoping for a T2 Module deal. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Raste Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.21 00:53:00 - [171] Edited by: Raste on 21/11/2006 00:55:19 Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Raste Originally by: Der Pfaffe Last post can't be bothered anymore. Originally by: Der Pfaffe Lol couldn't let this one slide.. Check our KB mate you will find the ratio for the contract is currently standing at around 10:1 in our favour so it's lucky for you we avoid killing stuff, and I'm sure us you wish we would spend even more time on the forum. And here you are posting on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with LV/V calling me a forum warrior etc... good job Haha, 10:1 ratio vs LV? Would love to see proof of this, I'll just be impressed if you come close to covering your HAC losses. Might be time to switch to stabs, cheaper than snakes and dont have to bother logging the pod off. Sorry if this is the wrong thread, I cant keep straight who KIA is smacking where. LOL you think this is smack? Anyway I said check our Kill board not yours. Here's a picture for you in case you didn't get the one in the other thread, which at least has the merit of concerning you and your alliance. Link You are correct about the 10:1 I exaggerated, it's around 9:1. However, I think your 3 exhumer losses alone cover our HAC losses. I said contract which includes LV/-V-. You have 3x more HAC losses than you're showing. You're counting only killmails where LV got the kill, not just where we are on the killmail. KIA just have to be on the killmail to count. Most of their killmails are from Goonfleet, should we add in goon losses?
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:43:00 - [172] Originally by: Raste Edited by: Raste on 21/11/2006 00:55:19 Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Raste Originally by: Der Pfaffe Last post can't be bothered anymore. Originally by: Der Pfaffe Lol couldn't let this one slide.. Check our KB mate you will find the ratio for the contract is currently standing at around 10:1 in our favour so it's lucky for you we avoid killing stuff, and I'm sure us you wish we would spend even more time on the forum. And here you are posting on a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with LV/V calling me a forum warrior etc... good job Haha, 10:1 ratio vs LV? Would love to see proof of this, I'll just be impressed if you come close to covering your HAC losses. Might be time to switch to stabs, cheaper than snakes and dont have to bother logging the pod off. Sorry if this is the wrong thread, I cant keep straight who KIA is smacking where. LOL you think this is smack? Anyway I said check our Kill board not yours. Here's a picture for you in case you didn't get the one in the other thread, which at least has the merit of concerning you and your alliance. Link You are correct about the 10:1 I exaggerated, it's around 9:1. However, I think your 3 exhumer losses alone cover our HAC losses. I said contract which includes LV/-V-. You have 3x more HAC losses than you're showing. You're counting only killmails where LV got the kill, not just where we are on the killmail. KIA just have to be on the killmail to count. Most of their killmails are from Goonfleet, should we add in goon losses? Oh dear this is just going around and around. there is already a discussion going on in another thread on this very same subject. Interested parties should go here Link As for the HAC losses I will speak to the pilot involved and sort it out
Der Pfaffe KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.11.21 01:44:00 - [173] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Smack is part of eve, no matter how nice some one may present their words, it still smack in Disguise, the power to **** someone off. at the end of the day we all lick each others balls on meet ups and fun fest, ..... So that's what you get up to at those meetings
SATAN BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.21 02:01:00 - [174] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Roxanna Kell Smack is part of eve, no matter how nice some one may present their words, it still smack in Disguise, the power to **** someone off. at the end of the day we all lick each others balls on meet ups and fun fest, ..... So that's what you get up to at those meetings You have no idea, Rox will do a donkey for some T2 deals.
Roxanna Kell BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.21 04:01:00 - [175] Originally by: Der Pfaffe Originally by: Roxanna Kell Smack is part of eve, no matter how nice some one may present their words, it still smack in Disguise, the power to ** someone off. at the end of the day we all lick each others balls on meet ups and fun fest, ..... So that's what you get up to at those meetings actually i never attended any, the one in london was 10 minutes away, instead i went to Cafe de Paris instead with a couple of friends, At least it was 100% guarantee that there would be girls there. Quote:** "Don't touch the RED butt
Space Cowboy10 Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.21 05:40:00 - [176] Edited by: Space Cowboy10 on 21/11/2006 05:41:06 It's nice to see people like SATAN who can post a clear and well written paragraph, unlike most people who post on the forums. Props to BE for actually making sense and inteligent posts. I tend to agree with most of what I've read from BE. At least someone is finally able to look at things objectively in EVE. Someone who isn't worried about maintaining a false persona and busy spouting heresay. A nice group of people. oo
INZi coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.21 06:15:00 - [177] hail BE! realy well done
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.11.21 08:37:00 - [178] Ummm 1) Nice stats and well done. 2) I have always considered BE obnoxious pvpers hunting numbers irrespective of how and ignoring "good fights". However I did not think they were liers. Now in this thread (which I only bothered reading 2 pages off) I see this: On top of page 1 CVA claim a Cerb and Nighthawk kill, then Shin Ra tells them "stfu it was in fights killing your ships". Then the pilot who lost the ships comes on and provides details and ... what do you know? It wasnt in fights. It was losses with 0 kills. Were you actually telling lies Shin Ra or? 3) CVA: I know the frustrations of fighting Shin Ra tactics (which indeed are very effective if less than uber honorable) but is it true that your pilots dishonoured a BS v BCII 1v1? Ty all. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Morden Nok Cohortes Vigilum Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.21 11:22:00 - [179] This is response to the allegation that CVA dishonoured 1v1 Originally by: Jaykar Edited by: Jaykar on 18/11/2006 00:11:09 Roxanna Kell, for the record, that nighthawk u lost in a supposed 1v1 against me. You challenged me (because I am a younger pilot and you reckoned me to be an easy kill) I refused and u tried to jump me at the gate anyway. Since I hate you BE guys with a passion for spoiling my travels in CVA space I was quite happy to do my best to make sure u went down. For some reason you seemed surprised to have CVA jump in and help me out in this non-existant 1v1. I think this clears it sufficiently, it was just BE member lying again.

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