I want to see a dev's opinion on this. Because I honestly don't see why this shouldn't be implemented.

Low sec has been ignored by CCP since the game started.

There aren't any real incentives for people to move to low sec other than small group pirating or FW. Both also very ignored by CCP.
I keep advocating the same thing over and over.
Get rid of the ridiculous station games. It's utterly absurd that a station manager of a NPC station would allow someone who just engaged someone else outside his station to dock up after a very short amount of time.
Atleast not without letting them pay a very hefty fee, but even that after quit some diliberation.

You want to shoot someone at an Empire controlled station then fine, but the concequence is that they will keep you unable to dock at the station, you chose to fight at, for 15 minutes.
Standings with the corporation which owns the station or the faction can decrease the timer somewhat till maximal 5 minutes unable to dock.
If you want to dock anyways after the old 30 second waiting time you pay a fee. Fee depends on your shiptype but should reflect a substantial part of your hulls + modules market value.

Same should go for gates.

Next to that put some more incentives in low sec to attract more people willing to risk to venture there for a certain advantage which they are unable to get in high sec or null sec.

Add certain minerals needed for certain production to low sec or make it more attractive for factional war to hold certain parts under their control because then the stations in the controlled part have certain advantages for the side holding them.

CCP created a game where corruption by players is part of the game, yet there is no way to bribe a factional relieve for a longer or shorter amount of time. Only thing you can do is grind your arses off to get standing or security gain.
Now why isn't there a corrupt way to gain those standings for a certain time?
Just looking at the lore of all factions I know for a fact that corruption is one of the engines the empires thrive on.

Factional or security standing gain for a limited amount of time due to bribery should be possible. Depending on what you plan to do or for howlong the price varies. Depends on howmany channels have to be temporarely altered and then ofcourse even that isn't a guarantee that your cover holds as long as you paid for because next to being able to be bribing there is also the possebility you get uncovered by someone who is specialising in locating and fighting corruption and bribes.

There are many options to make low sec get more layers of experience and thrills.

99% of this is unrelated to the proposed fix, it also fails to address most of the issues brought up in this thread. The idea of this thread is that we're not trying to attract carebears to lowsec, we're trying to make people who would like to PVP in lowsec able to do so without the unworkable highsec penalties associated with that. I'd much rather have willing people to get a legitimate fight out of rather than carebears who will get continuously ganked, regardless of any added benefits to carebearing in lowsec. Just saying "there are many options" doesn't accomplish anything.


TL;DR, let's stick to the proposed topic and work around that, shall we?

And limiting yourself to only one variable accomplishes anything?

Blah blah blah you stationcamp with supercaps, etc.

99% of this is unrelated to the proposed fix, it also fails to address most of the issues brought up in this thread. The idea of this thread is that we're not trying to attract carebears to lowsec, we're trying to make people who would like to PVP in lowsec able to do so without the unworkable highsec penalties associated with that. I'd much rather have willing people to get a legitimate fight out of rather than carebears who will get continuously ganked, regardless of any added benefits to carebearing in lowsec. Just saying "there are many options" doesn't accomplish anything.

if low sec only stays a shoor em up place for a few then you yourself exclude yourself from way too much of the game

So it should be a shoot em up place for everyone, and it shouldn't exclude you from the rest of the game.

Are you afraid that the numbers would all of a sudden be against you?

As it is low sec is under populated. And instead of making it more attractive only for pirates and gankers it should be widen't up more than just kill some and then squeeze easy back to high sec.

Low sec isn't just to cater the wannabe nullbear who either hasn't the time nor the inclination to be one of the nullbear herd of sheep.
More people venturing to lowsec also means more people will get attrackted to PvP. But I can understand why some oppose that so darn much.

Just imagine you actually get what you want, pvp with people who shoot back, then the fun isn't fun anymore because they would learn and adapt and eventually overcome.

And as for me being excluded from parts of the game, you have no idea what parts of the game I have been in nor will you even scratch the surface of it.

Are you afraid that the numbers would all of a sudden be against you?

Just imagine you actually get what you want, pvp with people who shoot back, then the fun isn't fun anymore because they would learn and adapt and eventually overcome.

As it is low sec is under populated. And instead of making it more attractive only for pirates and gankers it should be widen't up more than just kill some and then squeeze easy back to high sec.

Low sec isn't just to cater the wannabe nullbear who either hasn't the time nor the inclination to be one of the nullbear herd of sheep.

And as for me being excluded from parts of the game, you have no idea what parts of the game I have been in nor will you even scratch the surface of it.

The PVE proposals for lowsec generally ask for: 1) Safer PVE, 2) More rewarding PVE.

But there's safe in PVE in highsec already. You can't compete with that without completely nerfing lowsec PVP. This is where all the suggestions about stronger sentries, concord-like NPCs, etc, go wrong..

So we increase the rewards. But there is already a place with much higher rewards than highsec in exchange for a nominal risk. It's called 0.0. But 0.0 is secured by alliances and is pretty safe. So to compete with that, you'd need very high rewards in lowsec. What's to keep those same alliances from taking over the lowsec PVE, then?

Those two options just turn lowsec into a highsec clone, or a 0.0 clone. While ignoring the population that is already there because they don't want to be in either highsec or 0.0.

Funny expression for someone whose average kill has 50 people on it. But why not? Why shouldn't lowsec be the one (almost) pure PVP area of the game? We already have an (almost) pure PVE area, highsec.

Do you even read? I meant being excluded from parts of the game via sec status. But that particular char of yours has no lowsec history to speak of. So excuse me if I assume you are posting on your main and have no clue about lowsec.

Ah, so suggesting to increase the time it takes to being able to dock after shooting someone decreases people shooting at eachother. Sorry if that wasn't clear to me.

And it never even occured to you that the rewards can be designed in such a fashion that the only true benefit would be for the same region of space as you can aquire it, namely low sec.
null sec has it's own "advantages" from the sov mechanics. Why not some mechanic to have something in that line (though more fun to play than sov warfa"re) in low sec.

You might feel like the low sec population that's already there get's ignored in my suggestions. Fact however is that I want to get a lower threshhold for people to venture there but at increased risk than it is currently. Or do you think prolonged docking denial is decreasing risk?
On the other hand make it worthwhile for people to take that route.
Low sec has the same issue as null sec. The risk versus reward is completely off balance.

Excuse me, but did I miss the part where you didn't get the choice to lower your sec status? And if this were my main I am not entitled to an opinion in a forum section where opinions are gathered?

Once again, I am not against changes in the system that adresses the issues with the sec status loss and gain. But by saying "ow let's just pop ships but not pods anymore in low sec so we don't drop below -2"is ridiculous.
You create a whole new area of abuse then and without differentiation I for one do not support the idea.