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Gungankllr
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:20:00 -
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Quite a bit has occurred since my last post on the subject. Band of Brothers took the Paragon Soul region, and are moving on the core Feythabolis systems.
I'm proud of what we did here. We took one of the worst regions in Eve- Mineral, Moon and NPC, and made it into its own "0.0 Empire".
Our members worked so very hard for this dream, I had to stop for a second and let them know that their contributions were not in vain.
What we built here is the stuff of legends, and no matter whose name is on the stations you guys are the ones that did it.
For a while, we were a shining example of what a motivated group of like-minded players can do.
We built the first outpost, we built the first Titan. You can't go more than 5 jumps in any direction in Feythabolis without meeting an outpost. (Well, except for the AZN > RIT Pipe)
That being said, if Kali doesn't bring some sweeping changes to the game, and ASCN does not have some massive epiphany as to how to defeat BoB, I see an eventual end to ASCN. It won't be an overnight thing, but a long, dragged out butchery of fun and freedom.
Everything we've thrown at BoB has been repelled. TPAR, TCAG, GQ2, H8, 3PPT, you name it, we've lost.
In the battles where we brought out our dreadnoughts, so much action in those areas brought the nodes down, and siege mode + node crash = lose.
We went to old friends, and even a few old enemies, and found ourselves pretty much alone in Eve.
We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down.
A lot of stuff which was thought initially to be true was said in private, in an attempt to motivate our guys to fight harder.
Do I think BoB has a node crash button? No, I just think it's the Eve server system unable to cope with the amount of stress we're putting on it.
Do I think the Core membership of BoB is leaving for Burning Sea when it comes out? No, but I think a lot of folks are going to go try it at least.
Do I think that GM's moved the BoB fleet around? To this day I don't know how this came up, and I really don't know. Probably not.
John, CYVOK, Pyrex, and a few others did and do everything they can to motivate everyone to fight.
BoB is very good at what they do, they've proven it time and time again.
We're very good at building stuff, although not as flashy what we did will remain for a long time as either a testament to our work, or as a tombstone to our failures.
After us, I doubt any alliance or entity will try to do what we did here, it's just too heartbreaking to see your pride and joy rendered to ashes.
When Goonfleet finishes training their 400 dread pilots, that will be a scary thing indeed. (Yes, we know about it.)
Anyhow, I've a lot more to say, but work calls.
Perhaps I've said too much already.
Hidden in this signature is a secret message.
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Wierd Beard
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:24:00 -
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MacDuncan
Minmatar
Unknown Society
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:28:00 -
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Erm...is this a slight approach of admitting a defeat?
Interesting, at least...
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:28:00 -
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Indeed..
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:29:00 -
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That must have been quite difficult to type in parts and I'm not quite sure how to react to it other than to say that's a brave post well put.
There are a couple of points I could nit pick at or throw a rock over but after such an honest admission of the state of play I don't see the point.
I'm still trying to figure out what the ASCN agenda is behind such a post or how your membership is going to react to it.
See you in space as we grind this out to a conclusion.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:30:00 -
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Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked 
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Hermia
HIVE
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:33:00 -
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Keep going ascn! The community respect your continued defiance to lay down arms and flee.
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Dr Einkeisel
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:37:00 -
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Robert Dobbs
Church Of The Subgenius
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 23/11/2006 11:43:18
Nice post. And truthful. I mean it, really.
If only all your leaders wrote like this, you guys wouldn't be in the predicament you are in..
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:39:00 -
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Nice post. I will take it!
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:41:00 -
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LordPhoenix
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:43:00 -
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Respect to that Gungan! 
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darth solo
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:44:00 -
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this is a vey odd post, hardly motivating to your men.
d solo.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Evil Thug
Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked
LMAO  Evil you are just to evil
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Atandros
Gallente
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 23/11/2006 11:46:02
Originally by: Gungankllr
After us, I doubt any alliance or entity will try to do what we did here, it's just too heartbreaking to see your pride and joy rendered to ashes.
But why, why did you allow it to happen? Why did you allow yourself to be brought into this position, where you gaze at all the myriad things you built and can only bemoan their impending doom? Give some thought to that.
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...but a long, dragged out butchery of fun and freedom.
This, if anything, is RISK in space you're playing and not SimCity in space. The conflict IS the content in this game.
It's all fine and well to focus on building stuff, but remain cognizant of your environment and not oblivious to all but the precious "empire" you're erecting. Otherwise...well, just look around, I suppose.
This has been one of the more exasperating aspects of this war to watch - ASCN's apparently total lack of understanding of, and preparation for, all of Eve's realities. Perhaps lessons will be learned, though, even if the price paid for them was very high indeed.
It's not my intention to sound patronizing here; I honestly think ASCN fell afoul of a subtle but crucial pitfall in their thinking and I honestly hope, OOC, as a player, that this experience makes them think about things thoroughly.
Originally by: Blacklight
I'm still trying to figure out what the ASCN agenda is behind such a post or how your membership is going to react to it.
Oh yeah.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: thoth foc on 23/11/2006 11:51:20
tbh I can only guess this is an attempt to get help from outside..
ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve..
The official lines of:-
"Everything will be alrite",
"Everything will be alrite",
"Everything will be alrite",
"Everything will be alrite",
"woe is me we are defeated"
kinna makes this post look less than honest in my eyes..
(yes i know i have a suspicious nature)
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VinLieger
Caldari
The Beiatch Corp Inc
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:48:00 -
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Very well written post is all that needs to be said
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NeoTech
Vanguard Frontiers
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:52:00 -
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Awesome post Gungan...
Ye, we might have lost Paragon, and we might even lose all our regions. But the war isn't over yet, ye, the chances are not looking good atm. But alot of ASCN will still fight, and i know that i am one of them. (even though i dont enojoy fighting at all :)) This is an awesome chapter on my EvE history though, and i dont regret any of it. :)
Strenght Through Unity!! o7
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 11:53:52
Excellent post.
Originally by: Gungankllr
We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down.
No. Cyvok didn't want us involved in this war anymore than BoB did. I've spoken to the leaders on both sides who have specifically stated that they would "rather win or lose on their own." I was told that ASCN didn't want us involved. I respected that then and I still do now.
Besides, we had other jobs already in the pipe so it's just as well.
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Marcus Aurelius
Colossus Security Services
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:55:00 -
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I'd maybe believe that this is your line of thought Gungan, but not for a second do I buy this being the line of thouht within your HC.
A courageuous post, if meant sincerely. And a very foolish one if not, seeing the enemy access to your internal processes.
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Kraeze
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:55:00 -
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Good post, interesting. Wonder where it will go....
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LTD THOR
Sensus Numinis
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:56:00 -
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hmmm.. that cant be all!? *is awaiting a second part with "..but the giant is awakened and can see clearly now and will start to dance.." or something like that stuff
My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;) |
eveceo1
Gallente
Revival.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene
Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 11:53:52
Excellent post.
Originally by: Gungankllr
We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down.
No. Cyvok didn't want us involved in this war anymore than BoB did. I've spoken to the leaders on both sides who have specifically stated that they would "rather win or lose on their own." I was told that ASCN didn't want us involved. I respected that then and I still do now.
Besides, we had other jobs already in the pipe so it's just as well.
Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war?
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.23 11:57:00 -
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A hard post to write. Props.
Is ASCN talking to BoB for peace, or returning to empire? Basically, do you know what's the next stage?
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eveceo1
Gallente
Revival.
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:01:00 -
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As for ASCN not winning this war... well
Tides change
Hi BoB!
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Beyond Horizon
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked
n1
To all the "awsome post" posters in this thread: what is so awsome about this whine-thread again ?
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Demitrus
Buttered On The Wrong Side
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:06:00 -
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To me it seems the true test of character will be whether ASCN accepts its impending doom and just high-tails it for empire or if they stand and fight to the very last Ibis.
I for one would prefer the latter, would make for some good stories.
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: eveceo1
Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war?
No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else."
Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. 
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gungankllr
I'm proud of what we did here. We took one of the worst regions in Eve- Mineral, Moon and NPC, and made it into its own "0.0 Empire".
Nice post, but this is a really odd statement.
Feythabolis is the richest region in EVE. It might not have NPC stations and the Angel NPCs might not be the easiest but it has the best ore in the whole game. This is the reason CYVOK always wanted to stay in Feythabolis. The place is a gold mine.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.11.23 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: eveceo1
Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war?
We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do.
Now stop being your usual self and trying to derail Gungan's thread.
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