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End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [91] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Joshua Foiritain My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. No he thinks it's someone from a little further north than that. You mean like the droid on the right of your sig? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:26:00 - [92] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:28:07 Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:27:24 Originally by: Evelyn Exe If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care? Actually, you can't really just look at alts and inactives. They're part of it, but the alliance structure and EVE age of alliance membership plays a big part too. The number of alts is dependent on how much a player likes EVE definitely need to look at the structure of the alliances too. First of all, BoB (afaik) only recruits reasonably experienced players, and very few BoB members are inactive. ASCN's structure on the other hand (and this is seen from the outside), makes it more of an alliance where you might have your money-making character while your main does something else. They also have a lot of 'younger' (in SP) players, which are more fickle. So overall I think that ASCN will have substantially more 'real' players than BoB, but a lot of their players are dead weight. They may be active, but they're active for themselves, not their alliance. BoB players OTOH, all show up when there's fighting to be had if they can. So, I think the number of alts is a useless excuse/explanation in this case. Alliance structure and membership dedication will be a far better one.... EDIT: Darcuese made a good point above about miners needing more alts. This might influence my number logic above slightly... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:26:00 - [93] Will you stop arguing about numbers of alts or MC issue? Anyone with common sence would know that industry alliance have to have good ammount of miners. If you would mine yourself only you would need to have more then few characters to mine good ammount of ore. By that logic ASCN should have more alts for this purpose only. Even though there are ppl in BOB that like to mine sometimes, numbers are very rare(I personaly allmoust never docked in DICE outpost). BoB pilots also have alts (some more then others), but i think that only mining issue provide a need for more alts (+ mining chars are not expensive for buying as PvP chars) Regarding MC issue and involment. Seleene said it as it is. There are many Mercianaries out there in space. Only small minority can do what MC can do. And that is well planed operation from start till the end with results that can be seen clearly in the end. Rest are there only to gank tbh. Nothing special, IMO. Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:28:00 - [94] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:32:43 Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no? Apologies for any mis-use of 'moot point'.. I thought it meant irrelevant.. not quite used to these Americanisms.. I'm English.. I speak english, you know from England. So, just to clarify, your complaint isn't really about people using the 4000 stat.. It's the fact that your alliances participation is 'rubbish', and has failed in this respect. I can understand your frustration with people highlighting your alliances failures, but when you have a situation like this, people are of course going to do that. The only point I was trying to make and which has now been spun and blown out of all proportion was in response to a statement from a BoB guy that ASCN has "4000 members" when it is nothing like that. No idea how you arrived at your interpretation into my post. edit: thank you Darcuese for a reasoned bob post.
Eefrit Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:34:00 - [95] A very interesting post Gungan, and I respect the courage to take a realistic analysis of the current situation. Contrary to popual (it would seem) ASCN dogma, recognising a weakness is in fact a strategic strength. Failing to recognise a weakness and do something to remedy it provides a point of failure which any opponent can exploit. I honestly believe the ASCN HC has failed miserably in this, as they seem unable to admit failure in their own decisions as their focus seems drawn more onto spinning failures into some sort of glowing success. ASCN still have time to deal with their weaknesses and put up a solid fight, however running down gang members of shifting blame is not the way. Whatever goes wrong it IS HC's fault, not the members ultimately. Sort out HC and I'm sure we would have a memorable fight on our hands rather than the steamroller grind and boredom that we now face. As a side note, the effort that ASCN (and other conquered alliances) put into colonising 0.0 and creating infrastructure will go down in history, I only hope that the ASCN members (not the alliance) continue to play a part in the history of Eve. Sincerely, Eefrit
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:37:00 - [96] Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? _______________ Yar!Ö
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:40:00 - [97] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:41:24 Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? <sarcasm on> Can't say for TAO, but for me in DICE it is completely true. I can not afford any more ships, and my evil overlords in EVOL keeps taxing me for more money. <sarcasm off> Seriously though, what're you smoking? EDIT: You're off-topic too.... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:41:00 - [98] Interesting thread but all this talk of participation and active/alt ratio is moot. I for one relish a good fight, and the OP is quite a wonderfully wierd piece of writing which I can only alude to begin to understand. Such a sadly written post that seems to make it sound we are dead already, I won't disagree in a large amount of conflicts so far we have always lost more and lost ground. But I never like to write things off, I mean if RA can bring it back then what stops anyone else... Truth in this game is hard to pinpoint unless your in the fight or high up the food chain the truth is a moldable force that can be twisted or used for any amount of gains. But one undeniable fact stands true from the start of Eve untill today that no Alliance can truly be vanquished unless its members believe or make it so. After all should objects in a game define your corp, your alliance? Or should it be that what defines your corp, your alliance is actions on the field of battle. Time will tell... time will tell.
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:42:00 - [99] Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? Yes, and BNC are complaining that they get too little mining time. Look Aneu, it's funny and all that to read your rambling that you seem to believe to be based on some kind of 'intel' (altho god knows where you're getting that rubbish then), but the simple fact is that we're still not even strained. We're still in what I'd call second or maybe third gear. And baby, you better believe this is a six-gear car we're driving.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:42:00 - [100] aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. Twas 10 actually. Hit the spot did I? I love it when im right. _______________ Yar!Ö
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [102] Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? This is what I meant by my last post, everyone knows he's talking rubbish so stop repsonding to him, it's a waste of bandwith.
Errellion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [103] Mate, well said but that is no way for a member of the HC to act. I could dribble on but in short if that's how your HC acts, perhaps it's time for a change in leadership.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:44:00 - [104] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. lol wtf happened to the roleplaying? deep breaths, you'll be ok. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:45:00 - [105] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. lol wtf happened to the roleplaying? deep breaths, you'll be ok. They don't like the truth, it hurts them. _______________ Yar!Ö
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:51:00 - [106] Nice to see someone has the balls to speak the truth Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:08:00 - [107] Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. I thought that Gunga is ASCN's official representative/diplomat on the forum? Has that changed? Max --------------------
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:28:00 - [108] To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Either way after one statment like this I hope you get what you deserve ... a complete boot from ASCN, and KOS to them. So you are saying that you are defeated after loosing 1 region and not even with the core regions under heavy attack ... you make me sick, you are joking with all the ones that fought on behalf of your alliance.
Miss Robinson eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:46:00 - [109] Originally by: DeadDuck To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Either way after one statment like this I hope you get what you deserve ... a complete boot from ASCN, and KOS to them. So you are saying that you are defeated after loosing 1 region and not even with the core regions under heavy attack ... you make me sick, you are joking with all the ones that fought on behalf of your alliance. **** , I agree with a D2D . Although, I wouldnt boot him, I would let him work in our Veld-Mines for a month.

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Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:40:00 - [111] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this ** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. I thought that Gunga is ASCN's official representative/diplomat on the forum? Has that changed? It may just be an opinion, but it's the opinion of someone who is the spokesperson for your alliance. Gungan has always been a straight shooter and it was a ** fine choice to put him there. I've re-read Gungan's original post and it's got to be one of the most straight up posts made since the start of this whole mess. Agree or disagree with it, there's not a hint of sarcasm or bitterness in it. Why are so many flaming him for it? - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:51:00 - [112] Ah dear me. Gungankllr has apparently had some RL bad news and in the resulting depression posted this topic. While it is unfortunate that Gungankllr is having RL issues, the depths of depression his post seems to impart on ASCN as a whole is inaccurate. Ars Caelestis will see this conflict through to it's conclusion. We are commited to doing our absolute best to see that that conclusion is not the one forseen by BoB and this forum. The Future Is Exciting Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Praesum Novus Informatio -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Seleene Why are so many flaming him for it? Because these are the big bad eve-o forums, and any sign of admitting a shortfall makes you weak yarrrrrr! beats chest
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:54:00 - [114] I hope people start listening to you, GK, I've been on opposing sides with you twice now and you've always handled yourself admirably. You have a true gift for standing up, recognising a problem and going at it like a bull in a china shop. Fair play. Your post is bang on the money and, although I wouldn't say it's irreversible, given replies such as this: Originally by: Tessa Vaako Gungankllr has apparently had some RL bad news and in the resulting depression posted this topic. While it is unfortunate that Gungankllr is having RL issues, the depths of depression his post seems to impart on ASCN as a whole is inaccurate To manage a reversal would be akin to getting blood out of a stone. Good luck with that. The sooner ASCN HC stop lieing to themselves the sooner they will stop lieing to the membership and the sooner things will turn around. If that doesn't happen, we may have to call you nostradamus.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:57:00 - [115] Originally by: Tessa Vaako Stuff Low blow and nothing I need to hear about here. Have some respect for your alliance members.
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:58:00 - [116] Respect gk
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Dianabolic To manage a reversal would be akin to getting blood out of a stone. But you CAN get blood out of a stone. You just have to throw it hard enough. Originally by: Dianabolic The sooner ASCN HC stop lieing to themselves the sooner Was wondering when the HC is lying posts would start up again. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Wierd Beard Originally by: Tessa Vaako Stuff Low blow and nothing I need to hear about here. Have some respect for your alliance members. Only attempting some context for the OP. I have nothing but the utmost respesct for my Corp and Alliance. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:05:00 - [119] Quack. Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
m0jo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:10:00 - [120] HEY LOOK I GOT TURKEY!!!!!!

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