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Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:45:00 - [61] Grats DPB blacklight hast 'n thol. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Crohnx and gunga next time post this ** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. Don't slap the guy, it's a nice post and it shows as it's earned "respects" from many people, enemies and bystanders alike. Besides, it's not like he's telling a lie. Truth is good, propaganda is bad- for you. Originally by:** elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. Scared? Your continual idolization of me is quite touching hast but there is no need to follow me on the forums anymore. _______________ Yar!Ö
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:47:00 - [64] erm nice thread, good to see one of the HC beeing honest but this is far from beeing over i hope. p.s. Anue ... bleh
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:47:00 - [65] blja Aneu! Do NOT touch at Seleene. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:48:00 - [66] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/11/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/11/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. Wrong, but nice try. _______________ Yar!Ö
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:50:00 - [68] Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. Why bother, it would only take them 10 minutes to cut and paste it across to an eve-o thread in any event.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. Here is a tip Mutanti....think deeper Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:51:00 - [70] Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:51:47

eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:52:00 - [71] Edited by: eveceo1 on 23/11/2006 12:52:28 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Scared? you wish hun, actually I look forward to seeing what you can pull out of your magic hat. I know it wont be much, but it will be comedy gold, if it ever gets off the ground, instead of ending up as vaporware, like most of your "projects." Think thats one thing you picked up from Xirts grand invasions. Your argument holds no water since Xirtam and Imperium is still around causing damage after BoB supposedly destroyed them. As for what is coming... just wait. I'm faster than you. _______________ Yar!Ö
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:53:00 - [72] Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:51:47 QFT, qft. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. No he thinks it's someone from a little further north than that. Blog
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Hani EQ - IT
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/11/2006 12:59:21 Haha Aneu. So you think you've actually orchestrated something that'll hurt us eh ? Well, I can't wait to see it and get a good laugh. Scared, no. Curious as to what comedy this will end up with, yes. In the mean while, it took untill page two before ASCN HC came along and told Gungan off for being realistic, how utterly surprising This war is either going to explode soon, or turn into an equivalent of the GNW without the G, N, or much of a W. Let's hope it's the first.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Evelyn Exe I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. On our best day I would say that we can slightly out blob BoB who have fewer total numbers but fewer alts and more active players. Unfortunately, for us more than BoB I would say, this war has turned out to be very little fun indeed. Every large scale engagement is marred by lag and node crashes (and I dont think its a bob specific issue, when we went to 68ft to try to kill the AAA poses I gave up logging back in after the fifth time the node crashed over the course of the evening). Smaller scale engagements are similarly lacking in fun with childish smack in local and general unpleasantness spoiling any feeling of fun or that you are playing a simple game. Ah, but then, what's the point in claiming you're the biggest Alliance in Eve if you admit blatantly that the average ASCN member has 3-5 alts? When we take fun into account, I had some fairly nice fights, where lag wasn't an issue, a couple of tough fights while roaming in ASCN space. I have to admit that 99% of the fights I've been involved in where rather one sided, but that's not a problem of game ressources. And I saw very little smack while roaming, but then I must say that the French Wing does NOT allow local chat, helps limiting smack! Now somebody here said one of the most stupidest MC/Bob Statements Originally by: Bishop D'Rohan I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. Now i wonder WHY a prosperous entity like MC would try to "go down in a blaze of glory" while it's at its finest and growing? Just to provide the forum dwellers a good show? FFS, they're mercs, professional fighters, and they're after profit, they're not here for your entertainment. I for one respect businesslike individuals that know where their interest lies. All people come here saying "Hey MC guys, come on, entertain us, fight Bob" and don't realise the stupidity of this line of conduct. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:05:00 - [79] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:05:50 Originally by: Vathar Ah, but then, what's the point in claiming you're the biggest Alliance in Eve if you admit blatantly that the average ASCN member has 3-5 alts? I still think ASCN is the largest alliance in eve, its just that its nothing like 4k actual members, in the same way that BoB is not 1.5k actual members (or however many people are in it). Its just silly to say "OMG how can you only get a blob of 100 people when there are 4,000 of you" when there are nothing like 4000 people.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:06:00 - [80] Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 13:06:51 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. I honestly won't care one way or the other. If you can destroy BoB, more power to you. What part of this are people missing?? BoB didn't want us involved. ASCN wanted us to basically do anything but get involved. That seems pretty simple to me. With regard to other mercs fighting BoB - what exactly have they accomplished? Seriously? All of the damage combined has been little more than a speed bump that has done nothing to stop Molle's phallic-shaped steamroller from flattening everything in its path. This is no disrespect to the corps in question, but ASCN has poured billions of ISK into merc corps which have not done a thing other than be an annoyance. I would be curious to see what the total damage done by merc corps against BoB versus the total damage done by ASCN against BoB. Does anyone truly believe that MC vs. BoB would accomplish much more than that? Mercs are shock troops. They are not a police force or anything even remotely close to a standing army. We go in, we destroy / take and then we leave. BoB is still building motherships and titans in their own backyard and still has one of the largest T2 BPO collections in EVE. Until someone of equal or greater size finds a way to stop BoB on their on terms, the pendulum will continue to swing. ASCN had a better chance than most. Size, money and what was thought to be a competent PvP element. Gungan's original post is just stating the obvious: unless something changes very fast, they blew it. MC attacking BoB wouldn't have changed a **** thing. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?

Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. If you are agreeing that it's universally applicable then stop complaining about people using those universally applicable stats. The point is that your complaining about it, but it's the same for most alliances which makes your compliant a moot point. Hani EQ - IT
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. Here is a tip Mutanti....think deeper Thanks for the tip. i'll try. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ? That is specific to you, not a general statement. If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. If you are agreeing that it's universally applicable then stop complaining about people using those universally applicable stats. The point is that your complaining about it, but it's the same for most alliances which makes your compliant a moot point. No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no?
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ? That is specific to you, not a general statement. If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care? I dont really care no, just laughing at yet another excuse why ASCN fail.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:18:00 - [86] Don't feed the trolls.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:19:00 - [87] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Don't feed the trolls. Yeah, apologies for emphasizing the players/pilot ratio mentionned, no need to ruin a decent post. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:20:00 - [88] Edited by: Lorn Yeager on 23/11/2006 13:22:05 Originally by: Seleene Plays an elegant violin If we cut through all the violins and walk right to the nerve of what I consider the question: If ASCN approached you again with isk (I guess they have some still) and ask you. Would you accept it and take a contract to do whater-ever-against-bob? This is pure theory and speculation, and I know that a plan would need to be shown to you and stuff. But...for the sake of argument, would you? This is a yes or no question. Any other answer is ... a diversion. And sorry for my interventio, but I am just curious :-) (its also called bored at work) Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [89] Originally by: Kryztal I dont really care no, just laughing at yet another excuse why ASCN fail. What are you talking about? How is it an excuse to state what everyone knows which is that alliance numbers are not represetnative of the number of people in the alliance. You are in fact agreeing with me on that basic point. All I was doing was resopnding to a statement by someone from BoB about ASCN having 4000 members when everyone knows that this is not remotely the case. Honestly is it not possible to statement something fairly uncontroversial on these forums without people trying to spin it into something it is not and/or flame you for it?
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Evelyn Exe No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no? Apologies for any mis-use of 'moot point'.. I thought it meant irrelevant.. not quite used to these Americanisms.. I'm English.. I speak english, you know from England. So, just to clarify, your complaint isn't really about people using the 4000 stat.. It's the fact that your alliances participation is 'rubbish', and has failed in this respect. I can understand your frustration with people highlighting your alliances failures, but when you have a situation like this, people are of course going to do that. Hani EQ - IT



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