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Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:20:00 - [1] Quite a bit has occurred since my last post on the subject. Band of Brothers took the Paragon Soul region, and are moving on the core Feythabolis systems. I'm proud of what we did here. We took one of the worst regions in Eve- Mineral, Moon and NPC, and made it into its own "0.0 Empire". Our members worked so very hard for this dream, I had to stop for a second and let them know that their contributions were not in vain. What we built here is the stuff of legends, and no matter whose name is on the stations you guys are the ones that did it. For a while, we were a shining example of what a motivated group of like-minded players can do. We built the first outpost, we built the first Titan. You can't go more than 5 jumps in any direction in Feythabolis without meeting an outpost. (Well, except for the AZN > RIT Pipe) That being said, if Kali doesn't bring some sweeping changes to the game, and ASCN does not have some massive epiphany as to how to defeat BoB, I see an eventual end to ASCN. It won't be an overnight thing, but a long, dragged out butchery of fun and freedom. Everything we've thrown at BoB has been repelled. TPAR, TCAG, GQ2, H8, 3PPT, you name it, we've lost. In the battles where we brought out our dreadnoughts, so much action in those areas brought the nodes down, and siege mode + node crash = lose. We went to old friends, and even a few old enemies, and found ourselves pretty much alone in Eve. We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down. A lot of stuff which was thought initially to be true was said in private, in an attempt to motivate our guys to fight harder. Do I think BoB has a node crash button? No, I just think it's the Eve server system unable to cope with the amount of stress we're putting on it. Do I think the Core membership of BoB is leaving for Burning Sea when it comes out? No, but I think a lot of folks are going to go try it at least. Do I think that GM's moved the BoB fleet around? To this day I don't know how this came up, and I really don't know. Probably not. John, CYVOK, Pyrex, and a few others did and do everything they can to motivate everyone to fight. BoB is very good at what they do, they've proven it time and time again. We're very good at building stuff, although not as flashy what we did will remain for a long time as either a testament to our work, or as a tombstone to our failures. After us, I doubt any alliance or entity will try to do what we did here, it's just too heartbreaking to see your pride and joy rendered to ashes. When Goonfleet finishes training their 400 dread pilots, that will be a scary thing indeed. (Yes, we know about it.) Anyhow, I've a lot more to say, but work calls. Perhaps I've said too much already. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:24:00 - [2]
MacDuncan Minmatar Unknown Society	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:28:00 - [3] Erm...is this a slight approach of admitting a defeat? Interesting, at least... --
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:28:00 - [4] Indeed..
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:29:00 - [5] That must have been quite difficult to type in parts and I'm not quite sure how to react to it other than to say that's a brave post well put. There are a couple of points I could nit pick at or throw a rock over but after such an honest admission of the state of play I don't see the point. I'm still trying to figure out what the ASCN agenda is behind such a post or how your membership is going to react to it. See you in space as we grind this out to a conclusion. Blog
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:30:00 - [6] Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked
Hermia HIVE	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:33:00 - [7] Keep going ascn! The community respect your continued defiance to lay down arms and flee.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:37:00 - [8]
Robert Dobbs Church Of The Subgenius	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Robert Dobbs on 23/11/2006 11:43:18 Nice post. And truthful. I mean it, really. If only all your leaders wrote like this, you guys wouldn't be in the predicament you are in.. - --------- Listen to BoB Radio!!
IntegralHellsing Gallente Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:39:00 - [10] Nice post. I will take it! ------------------------------
Sir JoJo Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:41:00 - [11]
LordPhoenix Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:43:00 - [12] Respect to that Gungan!
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:44:00 - [13] this is a vey odd post, hardly motivating to your men. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Evil Thug Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked LMAO Evil you are just to evil
Atandros Gallente Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:46:00 - [15] Edited by: Atandros on 23/11/2006 11:46:02 Originally by: Gungankllr After us, I doubt any alliance or entity will try to do what we did here, it's just too heartbreaking to see your pride and joy rendered to ashes. But why, why did you allow it to happen? Why did you allow yourself to be brought into this position, where you gaze at all the myriad things you built and can only bemoan their impending doom? Give some thought to that. Quote: ...but a long, dragged out butchery of fun and freedom. This, if anything, is RISK in space you're playing and not SimCity in space. The conflict IS the content in this game. It's all fine and well to focus on building stuff, but remain cognizant of your environment and not oblivious to all but the precious "empire" you're erecting. Otherwise...well, just look around, I suppose. This has been one of the more exasperating aspects of this war to watch - ASCN's apparently total lack of understanding of, and preparation for, all of Eve's realities. Perhaps lessons will be learned, though, even if the price paid for them was very high indeed. It's not my intention to sound patronizing here; I honestly think ASCN fell afoul of a subtle but crucial pitfall in their thinking and I honestly hope, OOC, as a player, that this experience makes them think about things thoroughly. Originally by: Blacklight I'm still trying to figure out what the ASCN agenda is behind such a post or how your membership is going to react to it. Oh yeah. ------- Sun! Sex! Sin! Death and destruction!
thoth foc Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:47:00 - [16] Edited by: thoth foc on 23/11/2006 11:51:20 tbh I can only guess this is an attempt to get help from outside.. ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. The official lines of:- "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "woe is me we are defeated" kinna makes this post look less than honest in my eyes.. (yes i know i have a suspicious nature) >: )
VinLieger Caldari The Beiatch Corp Inc	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:48:00 - [17] Very well written post is all that needs to be said -----------------------
NeoTech Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:52:00 - [18] Awesome post Gungan... Ye, we might have lost Paragon, and we might even lose all our regions. But the war isn't over yet, ye, the chances are not looking good atm. But alot of ASCN will still fight, and i know that i am one of them. (even though i dont enojoy fighting at all :)) This is an awesome chapter on my EvE history though, and i dont regret any of it. :) Strenght Through Unity!! o7
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:53:00 - [19] Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 11:53:52 Excellent post. Originally by: Gungankllr We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down. No. Cyvok didn't want us involved in this war anymore than BoB did. I've spoken to the leaders on both sides who have specifically stated that they would "rather win or lose on their own." I was told that ASCN didn't want us involved. I respected that then and I still do now. Besides, we had other jobs already in the pipe so it's just as well. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:55:00 - [20] I'd maybe believe that this is your line of thought Gungan, but not for a second do I buy this being the line of thouht within your HC. A courageuous post, if meant sincerely. And a very foolish one if not, seeing the enemy access to your internal processes.
Kraeze Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:55:00 - [21] Good post, interesting. Wonder where it will go....
LTD THOR Sensus Numinis Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:56:00 - [22] hmmm.. that cant be all!? *is awaiting a second part with "..but the giant is awakened and can see clearly now and will start to dance.." or something like that stuff My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:57:00 - [23] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 11:53:52 Excellent post. Originally by: Gungankllr We asked Mercenary Coalition to name their price, and they turned us down. No. Cyvok didn't want us involved in this war anymore than BoB did. I've spoken to the leaders on both sides who have specifically stated that they would "rather win or lose on their own." I was told that ASCN didn't want us involved. I respected that then and I still do now. Besides, we had other jobs already in the pipe so it's just as well. Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? _______________ Yar!Ö
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 11:57:00 - [24] A hard post to write. Props. Is ASCN talking to BoB for peace, or returning to empire? Basically, do you know what's the next stage? Max --------------------
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:01:00 - [25] As for ASCN not winning this war... well Tides change Hi BoB! _______________ Yar!Ö
Beyond Horizon UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Evil Thug Backstab rest of your alliance, claim that they didn`t helped, and run. Last time that worked n1 To all the "awsome post" posters in this thread: what is so awsome about this whine-thread again ? - BH
Demitrus Buttered On The Wrong Side	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:06:00 - [27] To me it seems the true test of character will be whether ASCN accepts its impending doom and just high-tails it for empire or if they stand and fight to the very last Ibis. I for one would prefer the latter, would make for some good stories.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:09:00 - [28] Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Gungankllr I'm proud of what we did here. We took one of the worst regions in Eve- Mineral, Moon and NPC, and made it into its own "0.0 Empire". Nice post, but this is a really odd statement. Feythabolis is the richest region in EVE. It might not have NPC stations and the Angel NPCs might not be the easiest but it has the best ore in the whole game. This is the reason CYVOK always wanted to stay in Feythabolis. The place is a gold mine. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:10:00 - [30] Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do. Now stop being your usual self and trying to derail Gungan's thread. Blog
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:10:00 - [31] I really didn't want to open this thread, but you know how it is with moths and fire. For once, I didn't regret it. -- Thukkers do
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:13:00 - [32] Excellent post and a good read...now perhaps you know how we felt in Tribal Souls when our so called 'friends' decided to turn and take paragon..especially how STC felt losing there 2 outpost they worked so hard to put up....but the lowest thing was not having the common courtsity and allowing corps to remove their stuff from the region after it was clear the war was lost...perhaps BoB will be more generious then you have been in the past sometimes people do get what they deserve __________
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [33] An interesting read. I think my brain is still digesting this... too early to comment further. Blog
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [34] Edited by: Tomas Ysidro on 23/11/2006 12:17:09 Plus would we play as our BoB mains/MC alts when it really comes down to attacking/defending the outposts against the stubborn mercs/bloodthirsty invaders? /tinfoil hat off Edit: On topic - Interesting post Gungan. All the best to you guys.
Myz Toyou the Organ Grinder and Company	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 23/11/2006 12:30:14 Edited by: Myz Toyou on 23/11/2006 12:16:57 Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 23/11/2006 11:51:20 tbh I can only guess this is an attempt to get help from outside.. ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. The official lines of:- "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "woe is me we are defeated" kinna makes this post look less than honest in my eyes.. (yes i know i have a suspicious nature) Have your spys not told you that the famous 4k members are the biggest lie that ASCN "launched", sadly ASCN HC believed in it also till the war started and they realized that more then 350 ppl could not be fielded, all others are 2nd 3rd or more accounts and gazillion of alts. But it sounds surely better when you have crushed a so called 4k alliance ! This war was lost in the first 3 weeks when CYVOK was not online and the "man in charge" wasted ASCN players fun and material in useless engagements around TPAR/TCAG after the first strike on TPAR failed. When ppl like Ad. Gobbins leave ASCN you know how it stands...
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Seleene No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Originally by: Blacklight We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do. So dissapointing. Where is the forum drama these days. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:17:00 - [37] Good post Gungan. As some ppl already said...it isnt over yet. I dont know what is happening behind ASCN curten, but if some ASCN HC is sharing similar thoughts...I hope "new" aproach will motivate ASCN pilots to fight harder for their home. And even if you cant win it in the end...do as much as possible so one day you can look behind you and say..."That was a glorious time"...knowing those are not just a words but fact Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
l3VGV Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:18:00 - [38] this "war fo fun" will cost much for u.
Nocturnal Avenger untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:20:00 - [39] Respect for writing that post.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Demitrus To me it seems the true test of character will be whether ASCN accepts its impending doom and just high-tails it for empire or if they stand and fight to the very last Ibis. I for one would prefer the latter, would make for some good stories. The richest alliance won't keep that title by spending ISK ---
Hotlaw	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:27:00 - [41] dont worry this post is just oppinion of 1 guy , its far from over....
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:28:00 - [42] I lost my own alliance once, where i put a year of work into, in just a few weeks. I know how you feel. But let me tell you, at least your member supported you until now and for sure will. What makes a defeat more bitter is beeing left alone. You aint alone. _________________________ Noob In Action - [NIA]
Ovale KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:31:00 - [43] This is very interesting and a bit unexpected. It would have been in character to continue the positive outlook until much more had been lost. I am intrigued by the strategic directions taking shape around the game mechanics of Kali. I listened with interest to Cyvok's blog. I see the comment about the Goons. It seems to be a rather serious gamble to underestimate the potential for our adaptation to the deployment of dreds after Kali. They may not end up being the "I win" single strategy. ...important, yes ...exclusive, no Is this intended to buy time for a Kali based battle strategy? A feint of sorts? It's hard not to imagine that, as it is certainly a significant change in public relations strategy. I'm going to get another bowl of popcorn and settle in for the second half of a very interesting contest. Cheers to all and hopes for more good fights, Ovale
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do. Now stop being your usual self and trying to derail Gungan's thread. I'm not trying to de-rail anything. I'm posting on facts which we both know are true. Anyway, im sure you will be begging MC within a few weeks. Ohh i love things like this _______________ Yar!Ö
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Ovale I'm going to get another bowl of popcorn and settle in for the second half of a very interesting contest. It's not the 2nd half, this is a trilogy your watching
Bishop D'Rohan Salvation Army Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Seleene, it¦s human nature to bet on the strongest. I (as a part of the EvE community) do understand why a MC contract on BOB is unrealistic. And i also understand the points made, that MC would accept a contract against BOB, if the payment is good enough. IMO, MC is just hiding behind some excuses. Fact is, that no alliance or corp can outgun BOB. BOB will eventually control the ASCN space, without a doubt. BOB biggest enemy is boredom. What happens inside BOB, when most of their goals are accomplished? I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. But BOB will remain no matter what. Only question is, which entity will inflict most damage and be closest to upsetting BOB. At the moment? No corp or alliance. Only Aneu in his constant trolling against BOB, seems to be uppsetting some occasional bobbits
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:34:00 - [47] After a bit of thought on this (there is a fair amount to ponder from that post), I think the answer is pretty simple. I think there is a realization that the luxury to wait for better conditions to fight in, has passed by some time ago. Waiting for Kali, or that big op next week, or conditions soon to arrive that are just around the corner... are all things that delay the inevitable on what ASCN has to do if they want to have a hope of winning this thing. Sometimes, the only thing required in order to create action towards a means, is to suck it up, look at the situation with a critical eye, and be pragmatic and honest with yourself. For all its simplicity, it is easier said than done. I think Gungan has just done it though. The next step is to move on, and play the hand dealt. Good post Gungan, and my respects to you. Blog
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Myz Toyou This war was lost in the first 3 weeks when CYVOK was not online and the "man in charge" wasted ASCN players fun and material in useless engagements around TPAR/TCAG after the first strike on TPAR failed. In fact, this war isn't over yet, and, IMO, it was lost long before it started, when ASCN forgot the meaning of "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (If you wish for peace, prepare for war) coz it's exactly what Eve and 0.0 are about. Apart from this, respect for this post, see you in space for a few more memorable fights. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [49] Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Bishop D'Rohan Originally by: Seleene Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Seleene, it¦s human nature to bet on the strongest. I (as a part of the EvE community) do understand why a MC contract on BOB is unrealistic. And i also understand the points made, that MC would accept a contract against BOB, if the payment is good enough. IMO, MC is just hiding behind some excuses. Fact is, that no alliance or corp can outgun BOB. BOB will eventually control the ASCN space, without a doubt. BOB biggest enemy is boredom. What happens inside BOB, when most of their goals are accomplished? I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. But BOB will remain no matter what. Only question is, which entity will inflict most damage and be closest to upsetting BOB. At the moment? No corp or alliance. Only Aneu in his constant trolling against BOB, seems to be uppsetting some occasional bobbits I pride myself in my work. BoB will hurt soon. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Far from dead my dear friend, Seleene will show himself to be a mutual friend with Molle, but im sure deep down inside after all the threats that have been made he would like nothing more than to help rip them apart. _______________ Yar!Ö
Crohnx Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:37:00 - [52] this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. That horse isn't just dead... it got turned into glue a year ago, and is now used to hold a legion of tinfoil hats firmly in place. Blog
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:38:00 - [54] Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. On our best day I would say that we can slightly out blob BoB who have fewer total numbers but fewer alts and more active players. Unfortunately, for us more than BoB I would say, this war has turned out to be very little fun indeed. Every large scale engagement is marred by lag and node crashes (and I dont think its a bob specific issue, when we went to 68ft to try to kill the AAA poses I gave up logging back in after the fifth time the node crashed over the course of the evening). Smaller scale engagements are similarly lacking in fun with childish smack in local and general unpleasantness spoiling any feeling of fun or that you are playing a simple game. Fighting against G/IRON was much better than this as we were more evenly matched, there was less crap surrounding the fights (especially the TS spying that is so rife in this war, and which I just find so incredibly lame, I mean, cheating in order to 'win' at a videogame ) and it was just generally speaking more fun. There is not a huge amount of fun in the game at the moment and I stick around only for the sake of my corpmates really. On the plus side this has shaken my eve addiction to the extent that I can now play other games or take the odd night off, so thanks for that at least.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:40:00 - [55] Edited by: slothe on 23/11/2006 12:41:39 take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will.does this mean that mc are effectively an alliance for hire?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Not sure if you aware of this but the BOB and MC issue is an ongoing one, it is a relationship and therefore ongoing, one thread 3 months ago isn't the end you know. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:41:00 - [57] Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. _______________ Yar!Ö
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:43:00 - [58] I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:44:00 - [59] Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:52:21 not worth the effort and derailment
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:44:00 - [60] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Far from dead my dear friend, Seleene will show himself to be a mutual friend with Molle, but im sure deep down inside after all the threats that have been made he would like nothing more than to help rip them apart. You need a new hobby ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:45:00 - [61] Grats DPB blacklight hast 'n thol. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:45:00 - [62] Originally by: Crohnx and gunga next time post this ** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. Don't slap the guy, it's a nice post and it shows as it's earned "respects" from many people, enemies and bystanders alike. Besides, it's not like he's telling a lie. Truth is good, propaganda is bad- for you. Originally by:** elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:46:00 - [63] Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. Scared? Your continual idolization of me is quite touching hast but there is no need to follow me on the forums anymore. _______________ Yar!Ö
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:47:00 - [64] erm nice thread, good to see one of the HC beeing honest but this is far from beeing over i hope. p.s. Anue ... bleh
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:47:00 - [65] blja Aneu! Do NOT touch at Seleene. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:48:00 - [66] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/11/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:49:00 - [67] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 23/11/2006 12:48:34 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. how the hell will you orchestrate that aneu? Are you going to hire people with the imaginary money you got from selling your imaginary t2 cap recharger bpo? I just cant understand how a person manages to be the village clown on this forum everytime he posts. My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. Wrong, but nice try. _______________ Yar!Ö
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:50:00 - [68] Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. Why bother, it would only take them 10 minutes to cut and paste it across to an eve-o thread in any event.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. Here is a tip Mutanti....think deeper Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:51:00 - [70] Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:51:47
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:52:00 - [71] Edited by: eveceo1 on 23/11/2006 12:52:28 Originally by: Hast Originally by: eveceo1 Scared? you wish hun, actually I look forward to seeing what you can pull out of your magic hat. I know it wont be much, but it will be comedy gold, if it ever gets off the ground, instead of ending up as vaporware, like most of your "projects." Think thats one thing you picked up from Xirts grand invasions. Your argument holds no water since Xirtam and Imperium is still around causing damage after BoB supposedly destroyed them. As for what is coming... just wait. I'm faster than you. _______________ Yar!Ö
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:53:00 - [72] Originally by: Hast Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:51:47 QFT, qft. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [73] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. No he thinks it's someone from a little further north than that. Blog
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Hani EQ - IT
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Marcus Aurelius on 23/11/2006 12:59:21 Haha Aneu. So you think you've actually orchestrated something that'll hurt us eh ? Well, I can't wait to see it and get a good laugh. Scared, no. Curious as to what comedy this will end up with, yes. In the mean while, it took untill page two before ASCN HC came along and told Gungan off for being realistic, how utterly surprising This war is either going to explode soon, or turn into an equivalent of the GNW without the G, N, or much of a W. Let's hope it's the first.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:00:00 - [76] Originally by: Evelyn Exe I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. On our best day I would say that we can slightly out blob BoB who have fewer total numbers but fewer alts and more active players. Unfortunately, for us more than BoB I would say, this war has turned out to be very little fun indeed. Every large scale engagement is marred by lag and node crashes (and I dont think its a bob specific issue, when we went to 68ft to try to kill the AAA poses I gave up logging back in after the fifth time the node crashed over the course of the evening). Smaller scale engagements are similarly lacking in fun with childish smack in local and general unpleasantness spoiling any feeling of fun or that you are playing a simple game. Ah, but then, what's the point in claiming you're the biggest Alliance in Eve if you admit blatantly that the average ASCN member has 3-5 alts? When we take fun into account, I had some fairly nice fights, where lag wasn't an issue, a couple of tough fights while roaming in ASCN space. I have to admit that 99% of the fights I've been involved in where rather one sided, but that's not a problem of game ressources. And I saw very little smack while roaming, but then I must say that the French Wing does NOT allow local chat, helps limiting smack! Now somebody here said one of the most stupidest MC/Bob Statements Originally by: Bishop D'Rohan I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. Now i wonder WHY a prosperous entity like MC would try to "go down in a blaze of glory" while it's at its finest and growing? Just to provide the forum dwellers a good show? FFS, they're mercs, professional fighters, and they're after profit, they're not here for your entertainment. I for one respect businesslike individuals that know where their interest lies. All people come here saying "Hey MC guys, come on, entertain us, fight Bob" and don't realise the stupidity of this line of conduct. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:01:00 - [77] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:05:00 - [78] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:05:00 - [79] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:05:50 Originally by: Vathar Ah, but then, what's the point in claiming you're the biggest Alliance in Eve if you admit blatantly that the average ASCN member has 3-5 alts? I still think ASCN is the largest alliance in eve, its just that its nothing like 4k actual members, in the same way that BoB is not 1.5k actual members (or however many people are in it). Its just silly to say "OMG how can you only get a blob of 100 people when there are 4,000 of you" when there are nothing like 4000 people.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:06:00 - [80] Edited by: Seleene on 23/11/2006 13:06:51 Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. I honestly won't care one way or the other. If you can destroy BoB, more power to you. What part of this are people missing?? BoB didn't want us involved. ASCN wanted us to basically do anything but get involved. That seems pretty simple to me. With regard to other mercs fighting BoB - what exactly have they accomplished? Seriously? All of the damage combined has been little more than a speed bump that has done nothing to stop Molle's phallic-shaped steamroller from flattening everything in its path. This is no disrespect to the corps in question, but ASCN has poured billions of ISK into merc corps which have not done a thing other than be an annoyance. I would be curious to see what the total damage done by merc corps against BoB versus the total damage done by ASCN against BoB. Does anyone truly believe that MC vs. BoB would accomplish much more than that? Mercs are shock troops. They are not a police force or anything even remotely close to a standing army. We go in, we destroy / take and then we leave. BoB is still building motherships and titans in their own backyard and still has one of the largest T2 BPO collections in EVE. Until someone of equal or greater size finds a way to stop BoB on their on terms, the pendulum will continue to swing. ASCN had a better chance than most. Size, money and what was thought to be a competent PvP element. Gungan's original post is just stating the obvious: unless something changes very fast, they blew it. MC attacking BoB wouldn't have changed a **** thing. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [81] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. If you are agreeing that it's universally applicable then stop complaining about people using those universally applicable stats. The point is that your complaining about it, but it's the same for most alliances which makes your compliant a moot point. Hani EQ - IT
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. Here is a tip Mutanti....think deeper Thanks for the tip. i'll try. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:09:00 - [83] Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ? That is specific to you, not a general statement. If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care?
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. If you are agreeing that it's universally applicable then stop complaining about people using those universally applicable stats. The point is that your complaining about it, but it's the same for most alliances which makes your compliant a moot point. No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no?
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:16:00 - [85] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Kryztal Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. I wonder what makes ASCN think that they are unique in this respect... Reality check... All alliances have members with multiple alts, including BOB. Making excuses around these stats is inaccurate and blinkered. Errrr where did I say it was not universally applicable? I would say that BoB probably has fewer alts and inactive members than ASCN as it is a more demanding environment. I actually have 6-7 alts in BoB and im fairly inactive atm. So erm try again ? That is specific to you, not a general statement. If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care? I dont really care no, just laughing at yet another excuse why ASCN fail.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:18:00 - [86] Don't feed the trolls.
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:19:00 - [87] Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Don't feed the trolls. Yeah, apologies for emphasizing the players/pilot ratio mentionned, no need to ruin a decent post. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Lorn Yeager Gallente Blessed Souls	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:20:00 - [88] Edited by: Lorn Yeager on 23/11/2006 13:22:05 Originally by: Seleene Plays an elegant violin If we cut through all the violins and walk right to the nerve of what I consider the question: If ASCN approached you again with isk (I guess they have some still) and ask you. Would you accept it and take a contract to do whater-ever-against-bob? This is pure theory and speculation, and I know that a plan would need to be shown to you and stuff. But...for the sake of argument, would you? This is a yes or no question. Any other answer is ... a diversion. And sorry for my interventio, but I am just curious :-) (its also called bored at work) Begin sig: //-> Its Aloha time! Lorn Yeager Blessed Souls
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [89] Originally by: Kryztal I dont really care no, just laughing at yet another excuse why ASCN fail. What are you talking about? How is it an excuse to state what everyone knows which is that alliance numbers are not represetnative of the number of people in the alliance. You are in fact agreeing with me on that basic point. All I was doing was resopnding to a statement by someone from BoB about ASCN having 4000 members when everyone knows that this is not remotely the case. Honestly is it not possible to statement something fairly uncontroversial on these forums without people trying to spin it into something it is not and/or flame you for it?
Hani EQ Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [90] Originally by: Evelyn Exe No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no? Apologies for any mis-use of 'moot point'.. I thought it meant irrelevant.. not quite used to these Americanisms.. I'm English.. I speak english, you know from England. So, just to clarify, your complaint isn't really about people using the 4000 stat.. It's the fact that your alliances participation is 'rubbish', and has failed in this respect. I can understand your frustration with people highlighting your alliances failures, but when you have a situation like this, people are of course going to do that. Hani EQ - IT
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:22:00 - [91] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: Joshua Foiritain My guess is hes betting his money on goonfleet getting a dreadblob and going after bob. No he thinks it's someone from a little further north than that. You mean like the droid on the right of your sig? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:26:00 - [92] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:28:07 Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:27:24 Originally by: Evelyn Exe If BoB had the same numbers of alts and inactives as ASCN its max blob size would be about 50 people, so I would say my statement is true. And if its not well, do you care? Actually, you can't really just look at alts and inactives. They're part of it, but the alliance structure and EVE age of alliance membership plays a big part too. The number of alts is dependent on how much a player likes EVE definitely need to look at the structure of the alliances too. First of all, BoB (afaik) only recruits reasonably experienced players, and very few BoB members are inactive. ASCN's structure on the other hand (and this is seen from the outside), makes it more of an alliance where you might have your money-making character while your main does something else. They also have a lot of 'younger' (in SP) players, which are more fickle. So overall I think that ASCN will have substantially more 'real' players than BoB, but a lot of their players are dead weight. They may be active, but they're active for themselves, not their alliance. BoB players OTOH, all show up when there's fighting to be had if they can. So, I think the number of alts is a useless excuse/explanation in this case. Alliance structure and membership dedication will be a far better one.... EDIT: Darcuese made a good point above about miners needing more alts. This might influence my number logic above slightly... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:26:00 - [93] Will you stop arguing about numbers of alts or MC issue? Anyone with common sence would know that industry alliance have to have good ammount of miners. If you would mine yourself only you would need to have more then few characters to mine good ammount of ore. By that logic ASCN should have more alts for this purpose only. Even though there are ppl in BOB that like to mine sometimes, numbers are very rare(I personaly allmoust never docked in DICE outpost). BoB pilots also have alts (some more then others), but i think that only mining issue provide a need for more alts (+ mining chars are not expensive for buying as PvP chars) Regarding MC issue and involment. Seleene said it as it is. There are many Mercianaries out there in space. Only small minority can do what MC can do. And that is well planed operation from start till the end with results that can be seen clearly in the end. Rest are there only to gank tbh. Nothing special, IMO. Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:28:00 - [94] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 23/11/2006 13:32:43 Originally by: Hani EQ Originally by: Evelyn Exe No, because if we get 200 people out of 1000 real people that is a 20% participation ratio which with TZ ratios into account is pretty good. 200 out of 4000 is 5% which is, frankly, rubbish. So it does make a difference. And a moot point is a point for debate/discussion, which is what we are doing, no? Apologies for any mis-use of 'moot point'.. I thought it meant irrelevant.. not quite used to these Americanisms.. I'm English.. I speak english, you know from England. So, just to clarify, your complaint isn't really about people using the 4000 stat.. It's the fact that your alliances participation is 'rubbish', and has failed in this respect. I can understand your frustration with people highlighting your alliances failures, but when you have a situation like this, people are of course going to do that. The only point I was trying to make and which has now been spun and blown out of all proportion was in response to a statement from a BoB guy that ASCN has "4000 members" when it is nothing like that. No idea how you arrived at your interpretation into my post. edit: thank you Darcuese for a reasoned bob post.
Eefrit Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:34:00 - [95] A very interesting post Gungan, and I respect the courage to take a realistic analysis of the current situation. Contrary to popual (it would seem) ASCN dogma, recognising a weakness is in fact a strategic strength. Failing to recognise a weakness and do something to remedy it provides a point of failure which any opponent can exploit. I honestly believe the ASCN HC has failed miserably in this, as they seem unable to admit failure in their own decisions as their focus seems drawn more onto spinning failures into some sort of glowing success. ASCN still have time to deal with their weaknesses and put up a solid fight, however running down gang members of shifting blame is not the way. Whatever goes wrong it IS HC's fault, not the members ultimately. Sort out HC and I'm sure we would have a memorable fight on our hands rather than the steamroller grind and boredom that we now face. As a side note, the effort that ASCN (and other conquered alliances) put into colonising 0.0 and creating infrastructure will go down in history, I only hope that the ASCN members (not the alliance) continue to play a part in the history of Eve. Sincerely, Eefrit
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:37:00 - [96] Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? _______________ Yar!Ö
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:40:00 - [97] Edited by: Tzrailasa on 23/11/2006 13:41:24 Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? <sarcasm on> Can't say for TAO, but for me in DICE it is completely true. I can not afford any more ships, and my evil overlords in EVOL keeps taxing me for more money. <sarcasm off> Seriously though, what're you smoking? EDIT: You're off-topic too.... My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Helen STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:41:00 - [98] Interesting thread but all this talk of participation and active/alt ratio is moot. I for one relish a good fight, and the OP is quite a wonderfully wierd piece of writing which I can only alude to begin to understand. Such a sadly written post that seems to make it sound we are dead already, I won't disagree in a large amount of conflicts so far we have always lost more and lost ground. But I never like to write things off, I mean if RA can bring it back then what stops anyone else... Truth in this game is hard to pinpoint unless your in the fight or high up the food chain the truth is a moldable force that can be twisted or used for any amount of gains. But one undeniable fact stands true from the start of Eve untill today that no Alliance can truly be vanquished unless its members believe or make it so. After all should objects in a game define your corp, your alliance? Or should it be that what defines your corp, your alliance is actions on the field of battle. Time will tell... time will tell.
Marcus Aurelius Colossus Security Services	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:42:00 - [99] Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? Yes, and BNC are complaining that they get too little mining time. Look Aneu, it's funny and all that to read your rambling that you seem to believe to be based on some kind of 'intel' (altho god knows where you're getting that rubbish then), but the simple fact is that we're still not even strained. We're still in what I'd call second or maybe third gear. And baby, you better believe this is a six-gear car we're driving.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:42:00 - [100] aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [101] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. Twas 10 actually. Hit the spot did I? I love it when im right. _______________ Yar!Ö
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [102] Originally by: eveceo1 Is it also true that TOASP are sick of taking orders from Evol and DICE are annoyed because RKK and EVOL are making them pay for this war and their going broke? This is what I meant by my last post, everyone knows he's talking rubbish so stop repsonding to him, it's a waste of bandwith.
Errellion	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:43:00 - [103] Mate, well said but that is no way for a member of the HC to act. I could dribble on but in short if that's how your HC acts, perhaps it's time for a change in leadership.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:44:00 - [104] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. lol wtf happened to the roleplaying? deep breaths, you'll be ok. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:45:00 - [105] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Dr Einkeisel aneu, stfu and get a life, or better yet show us them 8 m0o BS you killed, remember when you told everyone you had screenshots? Useless tard. lol wtf happened to the roleplaying? deep breaths, you'll be ok. They don't like the truth, it hurts them. _______________ Yar!Ö
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.11.23 13:51:00 - [106] Nice to see someone has the balls to speak the truth Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:08:00 - [107] Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. I thought that Gunga is ASCN's official representative/diplomat on the forum? Has that changed? Max --------------------
DeadDuck Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:28:00 - [108] To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Either way after one statment like this I hope you get what you deserve ... a complete boot from ASCN, and KOS to them. So you are saying that you are defeated after loosing 1 region and not even with the core regions under heavy attack ... you make me sick, you are joking with all the ones that fought on behalf of your alliance.
Miss Robinson eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 14:46:00 - [109] Originally by: DeadDuck To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Either way after one statment like this I hope you get what you deserve ... a complete boot from ASCN, and KOS to them. So you are saying that you are defeated after loosing 1 region and not even with the core regions under heavy attack ... you make me sick, you are joking with all the ones that fought on behalf of your alliance. **** , I agree with a D2D . Although, I wouldnt boot him, I would let him work in our Veld-Mines for a month.

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Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:40:00 - [111] Originally by: Max Teranous Originally by: Crohnx this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this ** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u. I thought that Gunga is ASCN's official representative/diplomat on the forum? Has that changed? It may just be an opinion, but it's the opinion of someone who is the spokesperson for your alliance. Gungan has always been a straight shooter and it was a ** fine choice to put him there. I've re-read Gungan's original post and it's got to be one of the most straight up posts made since the start of this whole mess. Agree or disagree with it, there's not a hint of sarcasm or bitterness in it. Why are so many flaming him for it? - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:51:00 - [112] Ah dear me. Gungankllr has apparently had some RL bad news and in the resulting depression posted this topic. While it is unfortunate that Gungankllr is having RL issues, the depths of depression his post seems to impart on ASCN as a whole is inaccurate. Ars Caelestis will see this conflict through to it's conclusion. We are commited to doing our absolute best to see that that conclusion is not the one forseen by BoB and this forum. The Future Is Exciting Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Praesum Novus Informatio -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Seleene Why are so many flaming him for it? Because these are the big bad eve-o forums, and any sign of admitting a shortfall makes you weak yarrrrrr! beats chest
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:54:00 - [114] I hope people start listening to you, GK, I've been on opposing sides with you twice now and you've always handled yourself admirably. You have a true gift for standing up, recognising a problem and going at it like a bull in a china shop. Fair play. Your post is bang on the money and, although I wouldn't say it's irreversible, given replies such as this: Originally by: Tessa Vaako Gungankllr has apparently had some RL bad news and in the resulting depression posted this topic. While it is unfortunate that Gungankllr is having RL issues, the depths of depression his post seems to impart on ASCN as a whole is inaccurate To manage a reversal would be akin to getting blood out of a stone. Good luck with that. The sooner ASCN HC stop lieing to themselves the sooner they will stop lieing to the membership and the sooner things will turn around. If that doesn't happen, we may have to call you nostradamus.
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:57:00 - [115] Originally by: Tessa Vaako Stuff Low blow and nothing I need to hear about here. Have some respect for your alliance members.
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 15:58:00 - [116] Respect gk
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:02:00 - [117] Originally by: Dianabolic To manage a reversal would be akin to getting blood out of a stone. But you CAN get blood out of a stone. You just have to throw it hard enough. Originally by: Dianabolic The sooner ASCN HC stop lieing to themselves the sooner Was wondering when the HC is lying posts would start up again. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Tessa Vaako Ars Caelestis Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:03:00 - [118] Originally by: Wierd Beard Originally by: Tessa Vaako Stuff Low blow and nothing I need to hear about here. Have some respect for your alliance members. Only attempting some context for the OP. I have nothing but the utmost respesct for my Corp and Alliance. -- Just how awesome are you BoB?
Cassiuss Minmatar STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:05:00 - [119] Quack. Cassiuss, STK-S Recruitment Officer
m0jo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:10:00 - [120] HEY LOOK I GOT TURKEY!!!!!!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:14:00 - [121] Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/11/2006 16:16:49 Well that was one interesting OP. After reading it several times and digesting the responses it has recieved... the thoughts I am left with as are as follows: First off GunganKllr is a very smart cookie, I had the pleasure of flying with him in FIX back in the day and he knows EVE well, having been in Hadean Drive Yards in FIX, BNC, and then ASCN. He has experienced the full spectrum of what the south at least has to offer. The man has a good head on his shoulders. Could this OP be a wakeup call for ASCN as an alliance? I don't believe for a second that Gungan would stick his neck out like this for no tangible gain for the alliance he represents and loves. The response that rang truest with me of all those posted, was the following from Vathar, pinpointing one of ASCN's biggest shortcoming in ethos. Originally by: Vathar "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (If you wish for peace, prepare for war) I believe the OP strongly alludes to this point throughout.... ASCN have built great things in the South but forgot that they were building them in the unforgiving, cut-throat environment that is 0.0, where an entity like BoB can and will put you to the test at any given moment. Is the OP reaching out to those in ASCN that are willing to turn things around? I don't know but the following quote, strongly suggests it.... at least to me. Quote: if Kali doesn't bring some sweeping changes to the game, and ASCN does not have some massive epiphany as to how to defeat BoB, I see an eventual end to ASCN. ASCN has some breathing space....... Kali is about to hit the servers, there will be changes in gameplay, the name of the expansion itself reeks of unlimited warfare and more carnage. A change of mentality is required ... not only for ASCN but for a large portion of the EVE player base. WAR is the game.... not only for ASCN but for large numbers of EVE's player base, the message from CCP has to be "adapt or die". [edit:typo]
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:15:00 - [122] Originally by: Tessa Vaako Originally by: Wierd Beard Originally by: Tessa Vaako Stuff Low blow and nothing I need to hear about here. Have some respect for your alliance members. Only attempting some context for the OP. I have nothing but the utmost respesct for my Corp and Alliance. I'm glad I'm not in your alliance. Usually if I talk about my r/l, our guys don't mention it on Eve-o.
Bonafyde The Legion.	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:24:00 - [123] Originally by: Gungankllr Honesty ftw Well written Gungan, and much respect for the honesty. But as others have said here, BoB, MC, and otherwise, don't you dare roll over now, at this point ya'll owe it to yourselves to keep fighting :) GL to everyone involved (on both sides)
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:27:00 - [124] Originally by: DeadDuck To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Look at it from a different angle perhaps... You say that the OP's statement is worth 10,000 BoB propaganda posts right? The posts that BoB make and are generally considered to be propaganda by ASCN and other forum goers basically say the same thing as this statement... at least I'd say there are definately similarities. Here is the thing, the admittance of a point of view, voids further propaganda. When there is agreement, there is no further need for discussion. Respect is gained. I'm not talking about capitulence to the other sides view point for the sake of avoiding arguement here, I'm talking about the recognition of a set of facts that should be pretty straight forward and obvious to those who don't have a stake in this conflict. The only people you really see argueing against BoB's statements are ASCN, and the occasional victims of past grudges. That in itself is telling enough. Just because the other side says it, doesn't automatically mean it's propaganda. Possible personal issues aside, an alliance diplomat is a person who has all the information at their fingertips, and they are also the person who very often gets contacted by the rank and file membership for various internal and external issues. A diplomat very regularly has a excellent pulse on their alliance, and combined with a level of knowledge of the facts, they are in an enviable postion to make judgement calls when they are doing their job. Say what you like, spin it how you will... the egg basket just got dropped. The OP's statement isn't the end of the world for ASCN unless they choose to make it so for themselves. The statement is an opportunity to cast aside all the crap they've been feeding themselves, and get on with the job of actually fixing the problems in their alliance, and giving BoB a run for their money! Opportunities to shed the blinders that are so firmly glued in place don't come often. Blog
Sun Ra Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:29:00 - [125] Originally by: DeadDuck To the topic starter I have to say that I really dont know what you expect to achieve with this kind of statments... Are you sure that you are really a true ASCN member ???? Because this stament worths 10000 propaganda BOB posts... Either way after one statment like this I hope you get what you deserve ... a complete boot from ASCN, and KOS to them. So you are saying that you are defeated after loosing 1 region and not even with the core regions under heavy attack ... you make me sick, you are joking with all the ones that fought on behalf of your alliance. Cos its so much better to lie to your members when its pretty clear you are lying?? Arcane Frankologies - 'plz stop guys it's xmas'
Kam SingDu'k Singularity.	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:32:00 - [126] Much respect to Gungankllr for posting this. And to those ASCN flaming him, please stop. Its only making you guys sound weaker than you actually are. Much better to pew pew!
olddone Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:40:00 - [127] Hey I love this war what is all the fuss. He had a brain fart....its the only explaination. The will to fight is all you need to kill them, and a few friends.
Mankind mkII Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:46:00 - [128] Much respect Gungankllr for a very straight up and honest post.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:48:00 - [129] You know whats quite funny.... I think most human beings feel some degree of empathy with the underdog... when there is a contest of some kind. Going into this war you had two of EVE's largest entities going head to head. Forgetting the forums for a second and the propaganda or bad propaganda that may have swayed people's perception of one alliance or the other lets take a look at what the match-up looked like on paper. ASCN - 5000 members, 3 regions, allies (POS, AXE), able to field fleets of 400 pilots +, unlimited wealth at the alliance level?, gargantuan reserves of materials and assets to see through a protracted campaign. BOB - 1400 members, 4 regions, allies (Xelas, FIX), able to field 150 at any one time?, unlimited wealth at alliance level, gargantuan reserves of materials and assets to see through a protracted campaign, pvp excellence. Looking at these two on paper alone..... I'm sorry but the underdog is BoB, ASCN is simply bigger. I think what nobody expected though was just how unprepared ASCN really were for large scale warfare.... Paragon Soul has been taken off them without a whole lot of trouble.. and now the war enters its second stage at the gates of feythabolis, ASCN's core region. Could BoB be viewed as the underdog now? .. most certainly not. If ASCN plays its cards right it could see public opinion in EVE, swing quite substantially in their favour...... which could have unforseen positive effects. BUT.... only if ASCN itself realises its predicament and attempts to do something about it. ASCN you have time.... some time, not a lot, but sufficient to turn the war around...... Gungan's post should be your cue.... Don't miss it cause I think its the only one you are gonna get.
Caanan Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:51:00 - [130] The way I see it, is: Every single pilot in BoB is devoted to destroying ASCN. Not every single pilot in ASCN is devoted to making BoB fail at every attempt to destroy something of theirs. It all comes down to that. Although I may be mistaken because I don't exactly know what the situation in ASCN is. listen to The Future Sound of BoB weekdays 18:00 GMT
LICENCE2KILL Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 16:51:00 - [131] Edited by: LICENCE2KILL on 23/11/2006 16:51:54 Good Post I enjoyed reading it "Respect" ________________________________________ What you do in life echoes throughout all Eternity. The difference between winning and losing Is some people are trying to win others are trying just not to lose?
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:05:00 - [132] mods lock please. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Omega Man The Geddy Foundation	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:09:00 - [133] Originally by: Gungankllr Anyhow, I've a lot more to say, but work calls. Perhaps I've said too much already. Props to Gungan for making this post. I want to hear more but i fear the second part is all too true for much of it be heard.
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:10:00 - [134] well i can say only 1 thing and that is: CORM will fight this war untill the very last second. That being said: BOB is most likely 1 off the most powerfull alliances in this game in terms of military and economy(there T2 BPO collection). They are very well organised and they have my respect for that. Don't be a great man just be a man
Yggdrassil Amarrian Missionaires	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:10:00 - [135] Respect, gk. One of the wisest post I've seen on the forums for a long time. ASCN has lost Paragon Soul Region - as I understand it. Doing a reality check - he obviously realises that unless something changes in a major way - ASCN WILL loose the rest of their regions. Sticking the head in the sand won't change it. I read the post as a cry for help. From the members in his own alliance. From friends. From enemies. Basically - from anyone. I hold no "personal" grudge against BOB. Those times I have fought against them - they've always performed in a good (and skilled) manner, wether they won or lost (in local that is - forum wars is... forum wars ) But - for all alliances - this is a wake-up call. Unless ASCN get help, I believe they will be gone from the map within 2 months, probably less. (map as in having sovereigny) The way I view BOB, they need momentum to keep their alliance healthy, and to keep their player base. A few months after the war vs ASCN has ended, they WILL look for new targets. BOBs pvp strengths is imo a threat toward the "terraforming" of all 0.0 systems. This is a compliment to BOB. But its also bad for the game imo. The time for other alliances to consider if they should make a move is now. Some of the things to consider is: 1. Is it likely that BOB will attack us/my allies? 2. Is it likely that we (+allies) will be able to withstand this attack? 3. Would it be smarter of us to make an effort now than to wait for the attack to come/hope they won't attack? 4. Is it likely that MC/FIX(/Xelas) will assist if you bring allies? Will you still be able to hold ground if they do? Pre-empty strike against flames: 1. These are my personal views. 2. I am in no way affiliated with ASCN. 3. This IS my main. 4. Ex member of Fountain Alliance, left before they merged into RISE and moved due to personal preferences. My opinions are probably a bit biased due to FA/BOB war. Yggdrassil
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:11:00 - [136] Originally by: Nez Perces ASCN - 5000 members AAArggh dont make me start with this again On topic - I dont have any issues with GK's post, I thought it was pretty good and sensible.

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Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:30:00 - [138] Originally by: Tessa Vaako Was wondering when the HC is lying posts would start up again. Well i don't really know what is there to wonder about. I mean to say you HC is not laying is uterrly stupid. Since i bed that 50 % of EVE player base listened trough the Cyvoks speech on team speak to ASCN members. Let me summarize his speech for you. Fact 1: BoB is crushing nodes - Lie Fact 2: BoB are GMs - Lie Fact 3: BoB is not winning this war at the moment - Lie Fact 4: BoB members have no life - How would he know... Lie Fact 5: We can take Paragon Soul back well this is not a Lie. But without some serious turnaround in thinking no you cant. Fact 6: We can win this war - see Fact 5... Fact 7: When Kali arrives we will become much better. - He forgot everyone else's Dreadnoughts, Titans, Carriers and Battleships will also become Better, with more hit points, and harder to kill. Now if you bellive for one second that Kali patch will bring some tremendous "I Win Button" for ASCN and ASCN only you need experts evaluation of Brains. so therefore - Kali making ASCN better than everyone else - Lie Fact 8: Do i really have to go on? I think i don't. i Think anyone with any common sence after listening to that 1 hour speech he held on ASCN team speak for both Euro and USA timezone players is one total and complete Lie in order to somehow make people hold till Kali that, again anyone with any brains will know. wont change anything. game will still be the same for BoB and ASCN. Only thing that will matter will be who will adapt better to new changes. And i guess we all know BoB is famous and managed to be top Alliance for so long just because of their fame for adopting where others failed. Just a opinion on original post as well. Well written post. I hope it will get some changes going in ASCN that will make you guys more happy, that will get you to have more fun, and to become better, therafore getting us to have more fun as well. To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Drusus Rensus Gallente Four Rings Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:33:00 - [139] OK. Since you're the "official face" of ASCN here, I guess it can be assumed that you ran this by whoever needs to approve it before putting it out. If this really is the white flag going up, it's time to think about your people, and saving as much of what they still have as possible. I'm sure the HC is going to walk away from this with a Titan, and whatever else they've managed to squirrel away. It would be shameful if they were the only ones. Either someone in your HC should start sooner, rather than later, to negotiate terms, or if that's too distasteful for them, it should at least be made known to your individual CEOs that they're free to negotiate individually to either stay under the BoB flag, or leave under the best terms they can get. I'm sure that the thinking players of this game will be looking at why ASCN rose, and fell, for a long time. You had a vision of how to succeed in the Eve universe. It had its day, and it was supplanted by someone with a different vision. That pretty much describes the history of humanity. Nothing to be ashamed of. Time to come up with a different vision and/or find other leaders with a different vision, and try again. FWIW, good luck.
pxmars Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 17:37:00 - [140] Good post Gk... a little too honest of a post for me. I enjoy thinking that our carebear alliance was holding it's own for the most part against the best pvp alliance. I myself most likely is the worst pvp player in eve, so I hope of other people who might not have built all their alts to mine like I did. Now the grim reaper is knocking on my region door I faced with the prospect of having to move. My worst nightmare I keep having is that all battles i was in and lost was because of someone leading the battle was motivate for other reasons then ascn's.I will keep fighting when I can and when i get my eviction notice if i do. I will make my choice weather to keep playing eve or seek other forms of distraction .I just wish it be a mining war then I would have been more usefull.

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