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Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:10:00 - [31] I really didn't want to open this thread, but you know how it is with moths and fire. For once, I didn't regret it. -- Thukkers do
Dufas Amarr Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:13:00 - [32] Excellent post and a good read...now perhaps you know how we felt in Tribal Souls when our so called 'friends' decided to turn and take paragon..especially how STC felt losing there 2 outpost they worked so hard to put up....but the lowest thing was not having the common courtsity and allowing corps to remove their stuff from the region after it was clear the war was lost...perhaps BoB will be more generious then you have been in the past sometimes people do get what they deserve __________
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [33] An interesting read. I think my brain is still digesting this... too early to comment further. Blog
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [34] Edited by: Tomas Ysidro on 23/11/2006 12:17:09 Plus would we play as our BoB mains/MC alts when it really comes down to attacking/defending the outposts against the stubborn mercs/bloodthirsty invaders? /tinfoil hat off Edit: On topic - Interesting post Gungan. All the best to you guys.
Myz Toyou the Organ Grinder and Company	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Myz Toyou on 23/11/2006 12:30:14 Edited by: Myz Toyou on 23/11/2006 12:16:57 Originally by: thoth foc Edited by: thoth foc on 23/11/2006 11:51:20 tbh I can only guess this is an attempt to get help from outside.. ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. The official lines of:- "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "Everything will be alrite", "woe is me we are defeated" kinna makes this post look less than honest in my eyes.. (yes i know i have a suspicious nature) Have your spys not told you that the famous 4k members are the biggest lie that ASCN "launched", sadly ASCN HC believed in it also till the war started and they realized that more then 350 ppl could not be fielded, all others are 2nd 3rd or more accounts and gazillion of alts. But it sounds surely better when you have crushed a so called 4k alliance ! This war was lost in the first 3 weeks when CYVOK was not online and the "man in charge" wasted ASCN players fun and material in useless engagements around TPAR/TCAG after the first strike on TPAR failed. When ppl like Ad. Gobbins leave ASCN you know how it stands...
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Seleene No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Originally by: Blacklight We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do. So dissapointing. Where is the forum drama these days. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:17:00 - [37] Good post Gungan. As some ppl already said...it isnt over yet. I dont know what is happening behind ASCN curten, but if some ASCN HC is sharing similar thoughts...I hope "new" aproach will motivate ASCN pilots to fight harder for their home. And even if you cant win it in the end...do as much as possible so one day you can look behind you and say..."That was a glorious time"...knowing those are not just a words but fact Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
l3VGV Rage and Terror	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:18:00 - [38] this "war fo fun" will cost much for u.
Nocturnal Avenger untaught Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:20:00 - [39] Respect for writing that post.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:25:00 - [40] Originally by: Demitrus To me it seems the true test of character will be whether ASCN accepts its impending doom and just high-tails it for empire or if they stand and fight to the very last Ibis. I for one would prefer the latter, would make for some good stories. The richest alliance won't keep that title by spending ISK ---
Hotlaw	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:27:00 - [41] dont worry this post is just oppinion of 1 guy , its far from over....
Loka Gallente adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:28:00 - [42] I lost my own alliance once, where i put a year of work into, in just a few weeks. I know how you feel. But let me tell you, at least your member supported you until now and for sure will. What makes a defeat more bitter is beeing left alone. You aint alone. _________________________ Noob In Action - [NIA]
Ovale KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:31:00 - [43] This is very interesting and a bit unexpected. It would have been in character to continue the positive outlook until much more had been lost. I am intrigued by the strategic directions taking shape around the game mechanics of Kali. I listened with interest to Cyvok's blog. I see the comment about the Goons. It seems to be a rather serious gamble to underestimate the potential for our adaptation to the deployment of dreds after Kali. They may not end up being the "I win" single strategy. ...important, yes ...exclusive, no Is this intended to buy time for a Kali based battle strategy? A feint of sorts? It's hard not to imagine that, as it is certainly a significant change in public relations strategy. I'm going to get another bowl of popcorn and settle in for the second half of a very interesting contest. Cheers to all and hopes for more good fights, Ovale
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:32:00 - [44] Originally by: Blacklight Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? We don't 'threaten' MC with anything. We have sensible discussions based on reality and come up with mutually beneficial solutions, just like any two business partners would, hence MC living where they do. Now stop being your usual self and trying to derail Gungan's thread. I'm not trying to de-rail anything. I'm posting on facts which we both know are true. Anyway, im sure you will be begging MC within a few weeks. Ohh i love things like this _______________ Yar!Ö
Weebear Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Ovale I'm going to get another bowl of popcorn and settle in for the second half of a very interesting contest. It's not the 2nd half, this is a trilogy your watching
Bishop D'Rohan Salvation Army Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Seleene, it¦s human nature to bet on the strongest. I (as a part of the EvE community) do understand why a MC contract on BOB is unrealistic. And i also understand the points made, that MC would accept a contract against BOB, if the payment is good enough. IMO, MC is just hiding behind some excuses. Fact is, that no alliance or corp can outgun BOB. BOB will eventually control the ASCN space, without a doubt. BOB biggest enemy is boredom. What happens inside BOB, when most of their goals are accomplished? I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. But BOB will remain no matter what. Only question is, which entity will inflict most damage and be closest to upsetting BOB. At the moment? No corp or alliance. Only Aneu in his constant trolling against BOB, seems to be uppsetting some occasional bobbits
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:34:00 - [47] After a bit of thought on this (there is a fair amount to ponder from that post), I think the answer is pretty simple. I think there is a realization that the luxury to wait for better conditions to fight in, has passed by some time ago. Waiting for Kali, or that big op next week, or conditions soon to arrive that are just around the corner... are all things that delay the inevitable on what ASCN has to do if they want to have a hope of winning this thing. Sometimes, the only thing required in order to create action towards a means, is to suck it up, look at the situation with a critical eye, and be pragmatic and honest with yourself. For all its simplicity, it is easier said than done. I think Gungan has just done it though. The next step is to move on, and play the hand dealt. Good post Gungan, and my respects to you. Blog
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Myz Toyou This war was lost in the first 3 weeks when CYVOK was not online and the "man in charge" wasted ASCN players fun and material in useless engagements around TPAR/TCAG after the first strike on TPAR failed. In fact, this war isn't over yet, and, IMO, it was lost long before it started, when ASCN forgot the meaning of "Si vis pacem, para bellum" (If you wish for peace, prepare for war) coz it's exactly what Eve and 0.0 are about. Apart from this, respect for this post, see you in space for a few more memorable fights. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [49] Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them.
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:35:00 - [50] Originally by: Bishop D'Rohan Originally by: Seleene Originally by: eveceo1 Seleene, id rather not bring your dirty laundry out into the public, and i apologize for it, but hasn't Molle already threatened to take the MC stations if you don't help them with this war? No, Aneu, I think it was more along the lines of, "Don't steal our kills. Go play somewhere else." Don't believe me? Ask Molle. I'm sure he'll accept your convo instantly. Seleene, it¦s human nature to bet on the strongest. I (as a part of the EvE community) do understand why a MC contract on BOB is unrealistic. And i also understand the points made, that MC would accept a contract against BOB, if the payment is good enough. IMO, MC is just hiding behind some excuses. Fact is, that no alliance or corp can outgun BOB. BOB will eventually control the ASCN space, without a doubt. BOB biggest enemy is boredom. What happens inside BOB, when most of their goals are accomplished? I do believe, that MC and Seleene know, that they are no match for BOB. But hiding behind unrealistics demands for taking a contract on BOB is weak. I think ppl would respect MC alot more, if they went for it. Rather going down in a blaze of glory, than hiding behind unrealistics contract demands. But BOB will remain no matter what. Only question is, which entity will inflict most damage and be closest to upsetting BOB. At the moment? No corp or alliance. Only Aneu in his constant trolling against BOB, seems to be uppsetting some occasional bobbits I pride myself in my work. BoB will hurt soon. _______________ Yar!Ö
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:36:00 - [51] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Far from dead my dear friend, Seleene will show himself to be a mutual friend with Molle, but im sure deep down inside after all the threats that have been made he would like nothing more than to help rip them apart. _______________ Yar!Ö
Crohnx Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:37:00 - [52] this thread is no official ascn statement or opinion , so dont look on it like that , its just 1 man's opinion and gunga next time post this **** on ascn forums not eve-o , thank u.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. That horse isn't just dead... it got turned into glue a year ago, and is now used to hold a legion of tinfoil hats firmly in place. Blog
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:38:00 - [54] Originally by: thoth foc ASCN have a 4+k membership and alot of isk behind you.. yes you've lost sofar, but you are by no way beyond reprieve.. I wish people would move away from the ASCN have 4k members thing. It is nothing like that, everyone in ASCN has multiple alts (I have about 5 characters in ASCN for example, with cyno alts, industrial characters etc and I have corp mates with 8 or 9). I would say its more likely to be less than 1k actual people, of which about half are what you would call active players. On our best day I would say that we can slightly out blob BoB who have fewer total numbers but fewer alts and more active players. Unfortunately, for us more than BoB I would say, this war has turned out to be very little fun indeed. Every large scale engagement is marred by lag and node crashes (and I dont think its a bob specific issue, when we went to 68ft to try to kill the AAA poses I gave up logging back in after the fifth time the node crashed over the course of the evening). Smaller scale engagements are similarly lacking in fun with childish smack in local and general unpleasantness spoiling any feeling of fun or that you are playing a simple game. Fighting against G/IRON was much better than this as we were more evenly matched, there was less crap surrounding the fights (especially the TS spying that is so rife in this war, and which I just find so incredibly lame, I mean, cheating in order to 'win' at a videogame ) and it was just generally speaking more fun. There is not a huge amount of fun in the game at the moment and I stick around only for the sake of my corpmates really. On the plus side this has shaken my eve addiction to the extent that I can now play other games or take the odd night off, so thanks for that at least.
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:40:00 - [55] Edited by: slothe on 23/11/2006 12:41:39 take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will.does this mean that mc are effectively an alliance for hire?
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:40:00 - [56] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Not sure if you aware of this but the BOB and MC issue is an ongoing one, it is a relationship and therefore ongoing, one thread 3 months ago isn't the end you know. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:41:00 - [57] Originally by: slothe take fountain? sucks that mc wont fight bob when other mercs will. I'm sure once they see BoB loose stations and take heavy damage their tune will change. _______________ Yar!Ö
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:43:00 - [58] I think it's funny also that when Gunga owns himself in previous thread and has a go at BOB he gets flamed by BOB, when he owns himself again and basically says the war is over we can't win and almost flames his own alliance BOB respect him. Gunga here is a tip don't start anymore threads. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:44:00 - [59] Edited by: Hast on 23/11/2006 12:52:21 not worth the effort and derailment
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.23 12:44:00 - [60] Originally by: eveceo1 Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Argh, stop beating on the MC vs. BoB issue. The horse is dead, just let it be. There are other threads about this but I'm too lazy to link them. Far from dead my dear friend, Seleene will show himself to be a mutual friend with Molle, but im sure deep down inside after all the threats that have been made he would like nothing more than to help rip them apart. You need a new hobby ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]

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