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Ysabelle nKataros Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:07:00 - [1] What have you got if you ain't got no respect? This is a thread for the respect that seems to have fallen out of the bottom of every other thread where trolling, flaming or paranoia have overwhelmed its presence. I went into this war with a very high opinion of ASCN's dedication and achievements and for the majority of its membership I still hold that opinion. ASCN, you have dared to bring the fight to us, you have battled tooth and nail where other alliances have crumbled and faded. No matter that the war has proceeded largely along the lines expected, I doubt any other would have taken half the beating you have and yet still be throwing themselves into the fray. To you, the pilots of the line who have given your ships and pods and your time to the defense of your lands, I salute you. Throughout the (many) pages of discussion this war has spawned, I have seen snippets and flashes of the respect each side has for the other. For those pilots that are unable to respond mutually, I ask that you leave this thread to those that do; despite the minority who may have offended your principles or acted in a manner you condemn, there are many that would still kick the ball between the trenches on Christmas day, and shake the hand of the man they have been shooting at. And so to you my comrades in BoB I offer thanks for starting this marvellous little scrap for my entertainment, and to ASCN for fighting the good fight. See you in space. BoB: When we have fleet battles, our killboard crashes
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:19:00 - [2] Correct me if I'm wrong, but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights.
Manfred Sideous Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:28:00 - [3] /Salute Ysabelle you sir are Samurai
Phrixus Zephyr Yesodic Nomads Corp Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:37:00 - [4] So wheres the man with the violin?
Verone Veto.	Posted - 2006.11.25 02:54:00 - [5] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr So wheres the man with the violin?
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights. IIRC it was the English and the Germans, and it was one time only. High Command was none the bit pleased about the soldiers stopping and getting to know their targets. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:23:00 - [7] Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights. My grandfather was in the trenches in WW1.. keep RL out of this game pls. To compare EVE in any way to the horror those men went through for our sake ... is banal to the extreme. Sometime you people need to remember .. that what we are actually doing is sitting infront of a bleeding computer shooting at pixels .....thats it .. nothing more nothing less.
Ceratin ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:31:00 - [8] Wow another bob post... ...another chance for the no-one cares fan club :P ------------ All hail! Leader of the pod brigade..
James Britanicus Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 03:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros What have you got if you ain't got no respect? This is a thread for the respect that seems to have fallen out of the bottom of every other thread where trolling, flaming or paranoia have overwhelmed its presence. I went into this war with a very high opinion of ASCN's dedication and achievements and for the majority of its membership I still hold that opinion. ASCN, you have dared to bring the fight to us, you have battled tooth and nail where other alliances have crumbled and faded. No matter that the war has proceeded largely along the lines expected, I doubt any other would have taken half the beating you have and yet still be throwing themselves into the fray. To you, the pilots of the line who have given your ships and pods and your time to the defense of your lands, I salute you. Throughout the (many) pages of discussion this war has spawned, I have seen snippets and flashes of the respect each side has for the other. For those pilots that are unable to respond mutually, I ask that you leave this thread to those that do; despite the minority who may have offended your principles or acted in a manner you condemn, there are many that would still kick the ball between the trenches on Christmas day, and shake the hand of the man they have been shooting at. And so to you my comrades in BoB I offer thanks for starting this marvellous little scrap for my entertainment, and to ASCN for fighting the good fight. See you in space. Signed with Respect, Brit **************************************************************** He thinks he is Uber, if you don't believe me, just ask him :)
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Shin Ra Correct me if I'm wrong, but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights. My grandfather was in the trenches in WW1.. keep RL out of this game pls. To compare EVE in any way to the horror those men went through for our sake ... is banal to the extreme. Sometime you people need to remember .. that what we are actually doing is sitting infront of a bleeding computer shooting at pixels .....thats it .. nothing more nothing less. As were several now deceased members of my family. My comment was on military strategy, a point which has been discussed many times on these forums and which I and anyone else is freely allowed to talk about. I suggest you keep your personal issues you have with me from prompting you to make such ludicrous allegations that what I'm saying is in some way trivial. Your entitled to your opinion, but insulting or even implying an insult another poster IS against the forums rules.

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:19:00 - [11] Edited by: Nez Perces on 25/11/2006 04:19:36 Originally by: Shin Ra I suggest you keep your personal issues you have with me from prompting you to make such ludicrous allegations that what I'm saying is in some way trivial. Your entitled to your opinion, but insulting or even implying an insult another poster IS against the forums rules. Get it through your head that I don't care about you... just keep RL out of it.. talk about military strategy till the sun comes down..... Originally by: ShinRa but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights that isnt military strategy within the context of the game... now is it? Thats just a gratuitous, morose comparison. i.e unnecessary
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Nez Perces Get it through your head that I don't care about you... just keep RL out of it.. talk about military strategy till the sun comes down..... Originally by: ShinRa but in WWI they may have played footie on Xmas for a while, but they also continually lined up and mowed eachother down with machine guns - much like modern day eve fleet fights that isnt military strategy within the context of the game... now is it? Thats just a gratuitous, morose comparison. i.e unnecessary I disagree. It is a comparison to the game, therefore valid. If you have a problem with this, feel free to email the forums mods.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 04:55:00 - [13] Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary.

Serathu Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:00:00 - [14] Thread cleaned. Please do not bring RL military conflicts into this thread again. \| Forum Rules \| CAOD Rules \| CRC Website \| [email protected] \|

Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.25 05:02:00 - [15] Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. Well said to be honest. it is in real life as it is in eve. you want my respect, expect to work for it. -
Choralone Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 06:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Vily Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. Well said to be honest. it is in real life as it is in eve. you want my respect, expect to work for it. Not as a comment on current political situations, my corp or alliance's relationship with either of the posters, etc., but I always thought that was a funny attitude. I take the opposite tact. I treat people with respect until they give me reason not to. I find more often than not that they'll reciprocate. I don't think I "lower" myself by respecting others, and I don't feel someone I don't know has to jump through hoops or pass some sort of test before I treat them with decency...
Verite Rendition Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2006.11.25 06:16:00 - [17] Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. Respect should be given. To claim that someone must earn it is just an excuse to dehumanize them by denying them respect. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Verite Rendition Respect should be given. To claim that someone must earn it is just an excuse to dehumanize them by denying them respect. If you give everyone respect, what point is there in competition? If you accept that people must earn respect first, only the strong will actually do so. Also depends on what particular achievements you grow to respect, etc. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Samirol Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.25 07:22:00 - [19] Edited by: Samirol on 25/11/2006 07:23:45 Originally by: Sadist Originally by: Verite Rendition Respect should be given. To claim that someone must earn it is just an excuse to dehumanize them by denying them respect. If you give everyone respect, what point is there in competition? If you accept that people must earn respect first, only the strong will actually do so. Also depends on what particular achievements you grow to respect, etc. just because you respect a particular alliance doesnt mean that you will hesitate to conquer them.
Ranged Airman Caldari Black Sun Consortium	Posted - 2006.11.25 08:12:00 - [20] Edited by: Ranged Airman on 25/11/2006 08:14:25 You don't have to have a great achievment to earn respect, but respect must be earned. Respect is earned through showing integrity and willpower. In eve-terms respect can be earned through: - after a fight either say nothing or a "gf". Respect will be lost if you start trash talking or coming up with excuses why you failed. - Stepping up to what you're responsible for. If you made a mistake, don't try covering it up or changing the subject. Acknowlege the mistake and move on. - Keeping comments out of local after a particularly nasty fight, even if you disagree with the tactics used. I know my alliance's current war has nothing to do with ASCN or BoB, but the topic of respect is something all of those who pvp in eve should think about. If you show a lack of respect it not only looks bad to those you're fighting, those watching the fight, and those who hear about the fight, but it also makes yourself look bad to those in your own corporation. I personally left TSA to join my friends in BSUN with all respect for the members of TSA. I wished them luck and made it my hope to have a nice smack-free pvp-fest. I originally went 25-0 with my T1 fitted stabber and this opened up a can of smack from a lot of TSA members. Battle after battle I was heckled for my and my corp's tactics and practices. This was the beginning of the end for my respect of The Shadow Ascension. Today I lost 3 ships in less than 24 hours, it was a bad day to say the least but for some reason there were still members who felt it their duty to make snipe comments about certain tactics used. If you want to earn respect, then keep civil in local and on the forums. Admit your mistakes and acknowlege when you are beat. Those who are able to do those things will make it easier on themselves when things get rough. Oh, and goodluck to both BoB and ASCN :) nice topic too btw Edited in: Before I get any comments by TSA as to why I'm even in the war with them to begin with, let me say this: I am fighting with my friends, you guys are war-targets and I will treat you as such. Leave the reasons/politics/bullcrap to the CEOs and corp leaders. If you disagree with why you think we're at war, then bring it up to your leadership. The main concern for all non-leadership members should be to have as good of a time and get as many kills on the enemy as possible. Thank you.

Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:41:00 - [21] Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. But courtesy is given. And lack of courtesy leads to lack of respect. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:41:00 - [22] I always go to the fight with respect for my opponents. During the course of war or a fight that respect can be increased or decreased, depending on the enemy's actions and attitude. I don't think that someone should go out of his (her) ways and pass some sort of test to earn my respect, as I don't have an ego that huge that it's threatened by gravitational collapse.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:41:00 - [23] Thanks to BoB for bringing the fight even when outnumbered. Oh, and please, to everyone, don't turn this thread into a flame war. --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.11.25 09:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Beringe Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. But courtesy is given. And lack of courtesy leads to lack of respect. What am I saying? I must be delirious. Molle doesn't respect anyone. Seriously, since the dawn of Eve, I don't think I've seen this guy write a single respectful sentence. Ever. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--
Darkstar BP Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:02:00 - [25] I have a lot of respect for some of the ballsy moves BoB has made during this war. One of the most beautiful: Using jump portal to launch outnumbered fleet into AZN last weekend, leaving Shrike at risk a system away was daring. You guys fight well in game, period. You're gonna need all those fighting skills very, very much as the fight is moving to the heartland. We're looking forward to it, we'll fight for every inch, all the way, all the time. See you on the battlefield.
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros What have you got if you ain't got no respect? This is a thread for the respect that seems to have fallen out of the bottom of every other thread where trolling, flaming or paranoia have overwhelmed its presence. I went into this war with a very high opinion of ASCN's dedication and achievements and for the majority of its membership I still hold that opinion. ASCN, you have dared to bring the fight to us, you have battled tooth and nail where other alliances have crumbled and faded. No matter that the war has proceeded largely along the lines expected, I doubt any other would have taken half the beating you have and yet still be throwing themselves into the fray. To you, the pilots of the line who have given your ships and pods and your time to the defense of your lands, I salute you. Throughout the (many) pages of discussion this war has spawned, I have seen snippets and flashes of the respect each side has for the other. For those pilots that are unable to respond mutually, I ask that you leave this thread to those that do; despite the minority who may have offended your principles or acted in a manner you condemn, there are many that would still kick the ball between the trenches on Christmas day, and shake the hand of the man they have been shooting at. And so to you my comrades in BoB I offer thanks for starting this marvellous little scrap for my entertainment, and to ASCN for fighting the good fight. See you in space. A awesome post. My respect to you
Cmd Woodlouse Cataclysm Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.11.25 10:45:00 - [27] Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. The only real unnecessity in this thread is your reply, Mrs. Molly. -------------------------------- Thats me in RL
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. The only real unnecessity in this thread is your reply, Mrs. Molly.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:11:00 - [29] Edited by: Darcuese on 25/11/2006 11:11:41 To me, respect is not a word publicly shared. And ppl do have a tendency to throw many words on forums to sound ok. Respect is between me and you....and not for commercial purpose Darth Solo=McCready...in different package
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.11.25 11:15:00 - [30] Your In game respect, is how you treat another when he took a frigate to blow up your 1 billion ISK ship. Your Forum respect is how you handle yourself on the forums against Flames. But the final truth about respect, is how much you respect others. The more you respect them, the more they will respect you. ----------- Management and Leadership



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