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eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.11.26 10:59:00 - [121] Originally by: Avon re: comments about Sir Molle's ego. He doesn't have one. If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. Sorry if you find that offensive (which is another weakness of ego). You can be offended without hurting your ego, its not a weakness of it. As for Molle not having an ego, you are just plain lying sir. _______________ Yar!Ö
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:02:00 - [122] Edited by: Avon on 26/11/2006 11:04:09 Originally by: eveceo1 You can be offended without hurting your ego, its not a weakness of it. But you can only be offended if you have an ego. Originally by: Aneu As for Molle not having an ego, you are just plain lying sir. I assume you have proof that contradicts my statement? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:04:00 - [123] Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. You sir, are an *******.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:05:00 - [124] Originally by: BurnYaBad Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. You sir, are an *******. Resorting to name-calling? How mature. He is right though. Anything that is given freely is worth nothing. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
BurnYaBad Lynx Frontier Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:06:00 - [125] Originally by: Avon re: comments about Sir Molle's ego. He doesn't have one. If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. Sorry if you find that offensive (which is another weakness of ego). Check yourself at the door, the rest of us are wondering if you have half a brain.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:11:00 - [126] Originally by: BurnYaBad Originally by: Avon re: comments about Sir Molle's ego. He doesn't have one. If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. Sorry if you find that offensive (which is another weakness of ego). Check yourself at the door, the rest of us are wondering if you have half a brain. After your last post you expect me to care about your opinion? If you think I am some sort of half-wit, then fine, I can live with that. Whatever it takes to allow you to feel comfortable in my company. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Niraco79 Gallente Hunters Agency	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:12:00 - [127] I respect ingame only the players who fly with me or who killed me and made me betteer by killing me . Rest of u are targets and soon to be fill for bodybags on the space garbagecleaner ship......so guys chill out ..is a difference between respect and beein civil. See ya in space preferably on the wrong side of my guns. ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
Choralone Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:20:00 - [128] Originally by: Avon re: comments about Sir Molle's ego. He doesn't have one. If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. Sorry if you find that offensive (which is another weakness of ego). I'll take what you say at face value. That said, would you say that this outlook describes the majority of BoB pilots in general--or at least something that you strive for?
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:34:00 - [129] Originally by: Avon Originally by: BurnYaBad Originally by: Avon re: comments about Sir Molle's ego. He doesn't have one. If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. Sorry if you find that offensive (which is another weakness of ego). Check yourself at the door, the rest of us are wondering if you have half a brain. After your last post you expect me to care about your opinion? If you think I am some sort of half-wit, then fine, I can live with that. Whatever it takes to allow you to feel comfortable in my company. Have you done a frakri and sold up? --- Lodhi ftg
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:40:00 - [130] Originally by: Choralone That said, would you say that this outlook describes the majority of BoB pilots in general--or at least something that you strive for? I would say the vast majority of BoB respect people who have given reason to be respected, and disrespect those who act in such away that respect is impossible. That is probably true for the vast majority of Eve players tbh. What is really in question is the respect status of those who you have never interacted with. Some people say everyone should have respect until they lose it. Others that everyone should have to earn respect. Now, no matter how much you try and draw me, there is no way I could answer as to the position of the majority of BoB, or Eve in general. Personally, I only give respect to those who have shown some reason for it. That doesn't mean I disrespect those who have not proven themselves. No respect for someone is not the same as disrespect. I tend to take people as I find them. The amount of people I actually disrespect in Eve is tiny, and each of those people has earned that position in my eyes. I have varying levels of respect for the people I have interacted with in Eve. I have no respect for the people in Eve I haven't interacted with. I don't disrespect them, I just choose to reserve judgement until I know what they are like. Not respecting someone does not mean I would not show them common courtesy, and judge them with an open mind when I first meet them. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:43:00 - [131] Originally by: Fuglife Have you done a frakri and sold up? No Fuggles, it is still very much the same old me :) Actually, hold still, you make a perfect example of something... Fuggles here has my respect, even though they are a member of a Corp which is a big fat -10 to BoB. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:44:00 - [132] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Choralone That said, would you say that this outlook describes the majority of BoB pilots in general--or at least something that you strive for? I would say the vast majority of BoB respect people who have given reason to be respected, and disrespect those who act in such away that respect is impossible. That is probably true for the vast majority of Eve players tbh. What is really in question is the respect status of those who you have never interacted with. Some people say everyone should have respect until they lose it. Others that everyone should have to earn respect. Now, no matter how much you try and draw me, there is no way I could answer as to the position of the majority of BoB, or Eve in general. Personally, I only give respect to those who have shown some reason for it. That doesn't mean I disrespect those who have not proven themselves. No respect for someone is not the same as disrespect. I tend to take people as I find them. The amount of people I actually disrespect in Eve is tiny, and each of those people has earned that position in my eyes. I have varying levels of respect for the people I have interacted with in Eve. I have no respect for the people in Eve I haven't interacted with. I don't disrespect them, I just choose to reserve judgement until I know what they are like. Not respecting someone does not mean I would not show them common courtesy, and judge them with an open mind when I first meet them. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make. i think there is the biggest difference, between people who disrespect those who they dont respect (as in, havent made a judgment) and those who show disrespect until they feel a reason to show respect. click my sig
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:49:00 - [133] Originally by: Samirol i think there is the biggest difference, between people who disrespect those who they dont respect (as in, havent made a judgment) and those who show disrespect until they feel a reason to show respect. I agree. However, in both cases you have to earn respect, it is not simply given. The problem in this discussion is that people paint someone who says "earn respect" depending on their own bias as to which of the two examples you have given is true. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.11.26 11:53:00 - [134] Edited by: Samirol on 26/11/2006 11:55:04 i consider it, for example, on a scale from 0 to 10. everyone starts out at 5 for example, not earning complete respect, but not deserving of disrespect. that is just an example, respect is earned, but just because you dont respect someone fully doesn't mean you should disrespect them. actually -5 to 5 would probably be a better example for numbers, but i think you know what i am getting at. show your respects amigo click my sig
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:01:00 - [135] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Fuglife Have you done a frakri and sold up? No Fuggles, it is still very much the same old me :) Actually, hold still, you make a perfect example of something... Fuggles here has my respect, even though they are a member of a Corp which is a big fat -10 to BoB. eye wuff j0o avon! --- Lodhi ftg
Choralone Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 12:03:00 - [136] Originally by: Avon Now, no matter how much you try and draw me, there is no way I could answer as to the position of the majority of BoB, or Eve in general. Yeah, I was originally going to qualify my question with a disclaimer about speaking for others -- and making generalizations, too -- then I figured "what the heck" and tried to bag a bear. Originally by: Avon I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make. Yep, clear as day - and a view I suspect most share.
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:12:00 - [137] Respect is an overused word in eve and holds little value in my opinion. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Pehova Mindtriq Respect is an overused word in eve and holds little value in my opinion. Same thing.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:24:00 - [139] omg Thug, that's so not samurai of you ! Old blog
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:36:00 - [140] Originally by: Rod Blaine omg Thug, that's so not samurai of you ! ---
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:39:00 - [141] You get their respect if you fight them and lose, but don't win whatever you do. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Karunel Nuevos Horizontes O X I D E	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:46:00 - [142] Edited by: Karunel on 26/11/2006 13:47:43 Quote: If you take offence at his comments it may be worth putting your ego in check and viewing things entirely logically. As I see it, not being a BoB hater or anything (actually I was there for a month but got kicked because of inactivity during my trial month). What people are **ed about Molle's post, except BoB haters who just try to stir the pot, is that some guy from BoB makes a "feel good" post, keeping in mind this is a game and it's about having fun and some laughs (because that's what games are about- period) and then Molle has to come and on the parade and remind ASCN how sucky players they are. Well I respect propaganda and all that stuff but I don't see why should anyone see the need to disrupt a thread that was opened in good spirit about how it's cool to fight and beat the crap out of each other. Also this is not an in-character board, so the usual "I'm just RPing being an ***" doesn't apply- in my view. Now some of the most agressive BoB members can tell me how I'm a little bitter person because I don't pwnzor people in an online environment- please do. The fact (in my opinion of course) stays that this was a potentially friendly thread that got dragged to mud because some people can't remember that this is only a game, no matter how hardcore it may be. Sorry if I came across as flameish to BoB members, I know and respect many of them [edit: I respect Molle's abilities as a leader as well, and when I talked to him he was a polite guy.], but this thread really es me off. Again, respect to the OP. Originally by:** elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:51:00 - [143] Edited by: Evil Thug on 26/11/2006 13:53:18 Originally by: Rod Blaine omg Thug, that's so not samurai of you ! Look at our weekend in fix. Loads of "respect yada yada yada". Do you really think that they are respect my alliance, or our pvp abilities ? Of course they are not. They are just glad that they managed to build outpost. If we`d destroyed outpost - there would be loads of topics regarding how bad aAa is, how we are suck at eve, life etc. Look at your conflict with ascn. Loads of "we respect you in the past, but now with all spying, blah blah blah - we lost all respect to you". Why ? Answer is simple, because ASCN is losing. Simple, eh ? Winning : I respect my enemy. Losing : Enemy is cheater, hacker, spy, quake kiddie, droping conts with bms near pos. I`ve seen loads of "respect" messages from my enemies. But it does not prevent them to write lies about us, when "respectfull guys" sure, that we cant see it. So, I preffer not to play in "respect" game. Because definition for this word for me is distinct from other EVE players. EDIT : Spelling.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.11.26 13:54:00 - [144] Edited by: welsh wizard on 26/11/2006 13:57:24 You have a way with words ET. edit: Not always the way though, we consider ourselves close friends with Outbreak and ER because they bettered us. Respect is garnered through aggressive relations but only when both parties are willing to be courteous, even in a game. We also have big respect for Xelas and The Horde because they're almost always nice people. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:11:00 - [145] Aye lost count of the, GF respect you lost 200bs we lost none, gj thanks, do it again bbq lol threads. ---
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.26 14:29:00 - [146] Originally by: Fuglife Aye lost count of the, GF respect you lost 200bs we lost none, gj thanks, do it again bbq lol threads. qft
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:02:00 - [147] Originally by: welsh wizard Respect is garnered through aggressive relations but only when both parties are willing to be courteous, even in a game. I have to agree, I think Cart said it best once, the best way to know someone is by shooting them, I think almost all the corps we are blue with or we consider close friends, are those we have previosly shot at, who liked fight as much as us, who have pushed us to our limits and were very nice people as well. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
eleuthereus Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:05:00 - [148] Edited by: eleuthereus on 26/11/2006 15:06:42 Originally by: Avon Personally, I only give respect to those who have shown some reason for it. That doesn't mean I disrespect those who have not proven themselves.No respect for someone is not the same as disrespect.I tend to take people as I find them. The amount of people I actually disrespect in Eve is tiny, and each of those people has earned that position in my eyes. I have varying levels of respect for the people I have interacted with in Eve. I have no respect for the people in Eve I haven't interacted with. I don't disrespect them, I just choose to reserve judgement until I know what they are like. Not respecting someone does not mean I would not show them common courtesy, and judge them with an open mind when I first meet them. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make. Now here we see a very thoughtful, middle-of-the-road sort of response that I, personnaly, can see and accept from a player. Avon is simply saying, "Hey, look, if I don't even know a pilot, how can I truly respect them in the same way that I respect others whom I have flown with and/or interacted with." Yet at the same, Avon is indeed granted a certain degree of respectibility to the individuals as pilots/people, until that low-level of generalized objective resepectibility is shown to be unwarranted by their actions, at which time they move into the realm of being disrespected. This makes sense, and the way he communicated it was in itself respectful. Well done, Avon. As for SirMolle, I found the remark that he is "role-playing" to be a fascinating one. Herein may lie the problem. This thread was not, as far as I can see, a role-playing thread. It was a non-role-playing thread wherein a RL person expressed his personal views about how other RL people play the game. Then, Molle comes in and responds (perhaps) in a role playing mode, complete with a dancing on your "corpse" jab and "we're better than you" rant, which cut against the intended purpose/tone of the thread. Whether or not SirMolle was indeed role playing or not remains unclear. 1. If he was role-playing, then at the very least he was not role-playing in a proper thread, and needs to know when a thread calls for a more RL response as opposed to a character response. 2. If he was NOT role-playing, well . . . . I think his words and attitude pretty much speak volumes about him, and I shall leave it to readers to make up their minds and form their own opinions. Either way, his post clearly derailed what could have been a very thoughtful, philosophical discussion. It quickly turned into yet another BOB vs ASCN / we hate you, you hate us thread -- boring. Another tinkling of two more cents, eleuthereus
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:37:00 - [149] Edited by: olyyy on 26/11/2006 15:38:13 Respect? For ASCN? ^^ Respect for being a failed alliance right now of the same level of the previous alliance ASCN was in? Respect for failing your entire politics: allying with BoB to destroy a capital shipyard just because ASCN didn't want anybody else to have motherships? Respect for in fact alienating most of Eve universe so that anybody willing to help ASCN now would do it just because they hate BoB more than ASCN? So yeah, respect to ASCN for getting their asses kicked with a stick they helped to grow and even assisted sometimes. You played your role on BoB's side long enough. You played it pretty well. You've been a descent tool. Being a tool isn't a bad thing you know. At least it's not a bad thing when you actually realize that you're just a tool and know why you're doing it. You didn't. Oh don't get me wrong. The fact that you deserve absolutly no respect at this time doesn't mean that you won't deserve some in the future. I hope you will, I don't like when things get too predictable. Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Snatchz LOOKERS	Posted - 2006.11.26 15:39:00 - [150] Originally by: eleuthereus Edited by: eleuthereus on 26/11/2006 15:06:42 Originally by: Avon Personally, I only give respect to those who have shown some reason for it. That doesn't mean I disrespect those who have not proven themselves.No respect for someone is not the same as disrespect.I tend to take people as I find them. The amount of people I actually disrespect in Eve is tiny, and each of those people has earned that position in my eyes. I have varying levels of respect for the people I have interacted with in Eve. I have no respect for the people in Eve I haven't interacted with. I don't disrespect them, I just choose to reserve judgement until I know what they are like. Not respecting someone does not mean I would not show them common courtesy, and judge them with an open mind when I first meet them. I hope you understand the distinction I am trying to make. Now here we see a very thoughtful, middle-of-the-road sort of response that I, personnaly, can see and accept from a player. Avon is simply saying, "Hey, look, if I don't even know a pilot, how can I truly respect them in the same way that I respect others whom I have flown with and/or interacted with." Yet at the same, Avon is indeed granted a certain degree of respectibility to the individuals as pilots/people, until that low-level of generalized objective resepectibility is shown to be unwarranted by their actions, at which time they move into the realm of being disrespected. This makes sense, and the way he communicated it was in itself respectful. Well done, Avon. As for SirMolle, I found the remark that he is "role-playing" to be a fascinating one. Herein may lie the problem. This thread was not, as far as I can see, a role-playing thread. It was a non-role-playing thread wherein a RL person expressed his personal views about how other RL people play the game. Then, Molle comes in and responds (perhaps) in a role playing mode, complete with a dancing on your "corpse" jab and "we're better than you" rant, which cut against the intended purpose/tone of the thread. Whether or not SirMolle was indeed role playing or not remains unclear. 1. If he was role-playing, then at the very least he was not role-playing in a proper thread, and needs to know when a thread calls for a more RL response as opposed to a character response. 2. If he was NOT role-playing, well . . . . I think his words and attitude pretty much speak volumes about him, and I shall leave it to readers to make up their minds and form their own opinions. Either way, his post clearly derailed what could have been a very thoughtful, philosophical discussion. It quickly turned into yet another BOB vs ASCN / we hate you, you hate us thread -- boring. Another tinkling of two more cents, eleuthereus Gee thanx for teaching us what Avon is saying and then allowing the rest of us to formulate our own opinions....how incredibly gracious of you. I only can speak for myself, but without your obvious genius input and explanations of what everyone else has typed i don't think i'd have been able to understand what anyone is talking about. "It aint easy being green" - Kermit the Frog

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