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Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:13:00 - [181] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Beringe What follows is three pages of philosophical rambling on what respect is, and what it's worth. Could this get any more pedantic? Well the thread kind of died with Molle's post.. I think its now just a case of kicking the corpse around. Or dancing on it ---
Asylum Seaker Minmatar The Blackwater Brigade Blackwater Alliance	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:39:00 - [182] Even forgetting the philosophy and rhetoric of this sitch... If you go into a fight with arrogance and no respect for your foe, some 'ard bastard is going to jump all over you one day and you won't be ready for it. Always respect those of unknown power. Memento Mori.
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 00:48:00 - [183] Originally by: Asylum Seaker Even forgetting the philosophy and rhetoric of this sitch... If you go into a fight with arrogance and no respect for your foe, some 'ard bastard is going to jump all over you one day and you won't be ready for it. Always respect those of unknown power. That's not respect. Personally, I wouldn't want to be told by an enemy that is currently using me as their plaything, that they respect me. I would consider it patronising and meaningless, as I know it hasn't been earned. They're empty words. We don't care if you respect us or not, fear will do.
Gungankllr Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 01:06:00 - [184] Without wading too deeply into the quagmire this thread has become, I'll just say this. The list of people that BoB respects is almost exactly as long as people they think are useful. Hidden in this signature is a secret message. I like pie.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 01:27:00 - [185] Originally by: Gungankllr Without wading too deeply into the quagmire this thread has become, I'll just say this. The list of people that BoB respects is almost exactly as long as people they think are useful. Well, if I see BoB I'll tell him you were thinking of him. Oh, wait ... the alliance? Just to clarify then, is it the alliance as an organisation you attribute this view to, or its leadership maybe, or the members of that alliance (some or all)? Hang on .. I get it now .. we respect our poor repressed slave corps because they do our bidding without question, without heed for their own welfare, like mindless drones forced to log on for our pleasure? Hmm... Nope, I guess that's not it either then. I give up, exactly what insight does your post add to this thread? The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ituralde Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.11.27 02:02:00 - [186] If you want respect, 3 things really factor in. Quality - Generally if you don't flat out suck it helps. Organization and leadership factor strongly into this. This does not mean you need flashy ships, this means you just work well and make best use of what resources you do have acess to. If people look in from the outside and say "what a mess" when looking at your group, then you don't deserve respect on this front. Determination - You don't have to win everything to get respect, you just have to do everything you can to try. I'd respect someone who threw everything they had into a fight and did everything in their power to suceed even if they lost. Who cares if your killboard looks pretty, its most important to make your enemies bleed for every gain. If people look in from the outside and wonder what you are doing and why you aren't doing a certain number of things then you don't deserve respect on this front, either. Applied Power - when push comes to shove, the guy that comes out on top obviously earns repsect. Can't really disrespect someone when they just handed your arse to you on a golden platter. Obviously, when this happens, you clearly aren't going to be the one earning respect for this, no matter how much theoretical power you have on paper. In fact, the more power you have on paper the more respect you when someone kicks your arse, given that its indicative of it not being used. That's my two cents on the issue. If you are to be respected, people would respect you, nobody would have to say anything. As much as I think Molle has an incredibly inflated ego, I do agree that respect has to be earned. (That's right! Not 'earnt', you tools!! ) Fear is the mind-killer.
Sirius A Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 06:16:00 - [187] Edited by: Sirius A on 27/11/2006 06:18:02 Respect Given "I am expendable"
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:50:00 - [188] Originally by: Ituralde As much as I think Molle has an incredibly inflated ego, I do agree that respect has to be earned. Even if that was true, don't you think he has kinda earned it?
Buxaroo Black Dwarf Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2006.11.27 14:55:00 - [189] I think respect should be earned. PVP is about action first, respect afterwards (if earned).
Razor Jaxx Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.11.27 15:17:00 - [190] Why would you look for respect in a game anyway? Beats me. Will you feel better if opponents give you 'respect' while trashing your region and nuking your hard-earned assets? Is it what it's all about, a consolation prize for losers? Just kick ass, take names, and have fun doing it... That's the point of a game. If you get blown up, take it in stride, have a laugh about it, and try again. If you absolutely want or need respect to feed a fragile ego, step away from your computer and get it from the people that matter, like your soulmate, relatives, friends, or co-workers.

Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.11.27 16:51:00 - [191] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. Er no. Respect is given to every fellow human being. Whether they chose to live up to the level of respect given to them in order to keep it is up to them. If they dont manage that then they would have to earn it back. Respect as a human, sure. Respect in a game? In a competition? Hell no. In the latter it surely does have to be earnt. Ah yes, that's why (for instance) boxers show respect at the start of a match by "shaking" gloves. Respect is earned by starting in a competition on a level playing field and do your best as intended within the rules. Wining or losing shouldn't have any effect on mutual respect, lack of comon courtesy or failing at playing by the rules as provided by the game/referee (iaw, not the rules BoB think up, but the rules as intended by CCP). If you fail to understand this very basic social rule by which adult human beings (should) live, well, game over I suppose. Try again, but get of the high horse before typing, it helps. ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.27 17:52:00 - [192] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Darko1107 Originally by: SirMolle Respect is earnt. This thread is unnecessary. Er no. Respect is given to every fellow human being. Whether they chose to live up to the level of respect given to them in order to keep it is up to them. If they dont manage that then they would have to earn it back. Respect as a human, sure. Respect in a game? In a competition? Hell no. In the latter it surely does have to be earnt. Ah yes, that's why (for instance) boxers show respect at the start of a match by "shaking" gloves. Respect is earned by starting in a competition on a level playing field and do your best as intended within the rules. Wining or losing shouldn't have any effect on mutual respect, lack of comon courtesy or failing at playing by the rules as provided by the game/referee (iaw, not the rules BoB think up, but the rules as intended by CCP). If you fail to understand this very basic social rule by which adult human beings (should) live, well, game over I suppose. Try again, but get of the high horse before typing, it helps. Yes doing your best, and showing up earns you respect... you getting it yet????
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:01:00 - [193] Originally by: Apollo Balthar Respect as a human, sure. Respect in a game? In a competition? Hell no. In the latter it surely does have to be earnt. Ah yes, that's why (for instance) boxers show respect at the start of a match by "shaking" gloves. Respect is earned by starting in a competition on a level playing field and do your best as intended within the rules. Wining or losing shouldn't have any effect on mutual respect, lack of comon courtesy or failing at playing by the rules as provided by the game/referee (iaw, not the rules BoB think up, but the rules as intended by CCP). If you fail to understand this very basic social rule by which adult human beings (should) live, well, game over I suppose. Try again, but get of the high horse before typing, it helps. You've never seen the "Thriller in Manilla", have you? You never saw any of the pre-fight banter? Nor what Ali said after the fight? No, didn't think so. Self ownage, it ain't pretty, but it sure it funny. /me rides off on the high horse. Originally by: CRYVOK Others, like BoB, they play the game in a meaningless fasition, concerned with nothing but winning. We care about our friends.
Ghargon Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:14:00 - [194] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: eleuthereus Dear SirMolle, With all due respect (note the oft-used phrase in formal as well as informal communications), I have no idea what I said in my post that would elicit such a heated response. First, it is odd that you would have no respect for me from the get-go, not knowing anything about me, either as a player or a person. I assume, then, that you respect no one whom you do not personally know. This is an interesting position to take, I must say. But a very sad one, too, in my opinion. Second, as you say, you have never flown with me, nor dealt with me. Again, I find it odd that you would instantly assume that I am not worthy of respect. You apparently take a sort of guilty until proven innocent, rather than innocent until proven guilty stance. Again, kind of sad, but that is your opinion. So, very well. Third, as for trusting me. I never asked you to trust me. Anyway, it is a valid point that you would not trust me. We are enemies. But it is odd that you would even mention "trust, because very much unlike respect, trust is indeed something that MUST be earned. To instantly trust someone leaves one open to scammers and others. Moreover, this thread is about respect -- not trust. Please stay on topic. Finally, as for you not going to be friends with me, once more, you comment on something I have not even mentioned. I didn't ask you to be my friend. So, why bother mentioning it, unless it was intended as deliberate attempt to get a rise out of me. The same could be said for your dancing on my "corpse" comment. Interesting. This thread was started by one of your own alliance members, intended to focus on the concept of respect, its merits, and its place in the game. Try to stay on topic, remain civil, and commmunicate a bit more intelligently. Everyone will be much better off and discussins will go further. respectfully, eleuthereus I'm not discussing. You do not deserve my respect. I am better then you. We are better then you. You deserve no respect from me, or us. If you want it, earn it. I don't want your respect, I want your space. I will dance on your corpse, I will laugh when your pod explodes, I will grin when I remove your last ship. What you think of me, or us, is totally moot. We're better then you. Firstly, don't make such a generalised statement, you are quite proably not better than hundreds of the people you just insulted. Infact judging by this you are rather worse. Secondly on the subject of respect, this is where you lost mine. I never think of the future - It comes soon enough
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:25:00 - [195] People take all of this too seriously. Shut up and kill eachother.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:40:00 - [196] Originally by: Ituralde (That's right! Not 'earnt', you tools!! ) "Earnt" is perfectly correct. I know that American English (which is an oxymoron anyway) has trouble understanding irregular verbs, but they help preserve the etymology of the words. "Earnt", a reward for work - from the Germanic "Ernte", to harvest. Whilst the weak past participal of this verb has taken a dominant position in the English language (earned) it is actually less "correct" than the irregular conjugation. Sorry if that seems a little pedantic, but it matters to me. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:45:00 - [197] Edited by: Alowishus on 27/11/2006 18:45:57 Edited by: Alowishus on 27/11/2006 18:45:32 Originally by: Avon Originally by: Ituralde (That's right! Not 'earnt', you tools!! ) "Earnt" is perfectly correct. I know that American English (which is an oxymoron anyway) has trouble understanding irregular verbs, but they help preserve the etymology of the words. "Earnt", a reward for work - from the Germanic "Ernte", to harvest. Whilst the weak past participal of this verb has taken a dominant position in the English language (earned) it is actually less "correct" than the irregular conjugation. Sorry if that seems a little pedantic, but it matters to me. PWNED? Or should I say PWNT?
eleuthereus Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:51:00 - [198] Originally by: Avon "Earnt" is perfectly correct. I know that American English (which is an oxymoron anyway) has trouble understanding irregular verbs, but they help preserve the etymology of the words."Earnt", a reward for work - from the Germanic "Ernte", to harvest. Whilst the weak past participal of this verb has taken a dominant position in the English language (earned) it is actually less "correct" than the irregular conjugation. Sorry if that seems a little pedantic, but it matters to me. Caldari Linguistics lvl5 FTW. rofl. Now THIS is an awesome post. Love it. Avon, better stop, your starting to actually make me like BOB -- a little. lol. eleuthereus
BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 18:52:00 - [199] I have no problem shaking the hand of my opponent when he is dead. Is that enough? ------------------- -
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.27 19:07:00 - [200] Originally by: BlackRain I have no problem shaking the hand of my opponent when he is dead. Is that enough? What else do you like to do to their corpse?

BlackRain Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:08:00 - [201] Originally by: SirMolle I will however, dance on your corpse. Kinda goes with the hand shaking and stuff. ------------------- -
Electric Cucumber Amarr coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:11:00 - [202] respect has nothing to do in a videogame
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:13:00 - [203] Originally by: Electric Cucumber OMG HAVE YOU SEEN MY NAME?! Dude, honestly, you have like the funniest name in EVE. - Movie: 9UY - Got Fighters?
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:27:00 - [204] Your enemy showing you respect doesn't mean squat as they are still going to kill you. Only people i care for in this game are my corpmates who i fly along side everyday. I could care **all about the people i shoot (some more than others) and i make sure to tell them this as i kill them. Manlove by Zaphod Jones**
Alowishus Shadow Company Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.11.27 22:44:00 - [205] Funny thing about grudges/hate/disrespect is that years down the road you may end up in the same alliance/corp as someone you once hated. Chowdown was one of the first people to ruin my day in Eve. I hated him and his stupid hair. Granted, I was a noob and had little understanding of the game. Less than a year later we were allies and have been ever since. At the time I was in Stain Alliance (the real original one) and he was a top dog in Curse Alliance. It was hard to imagine we'd ever be on the same side. So right now I'm glad I never said anything about him to anyone. Keep that in mind when you're publicly disrespectful to people, it may make you look foolish down the line.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.28 00:16:00 - [206] The moment you stop giving respect, is the moment you stop recieving it.
Saul Dhampir Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:03:00 - [207] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Ituralde (That's right! Not 'earnt', you tools!! ) "Earnt" is perfectly correct. I know that American English (which is an oxymoron anyway) has trouble understanding irregular verbs, but they help preserve the etymology of the words. "Earnt", a reward for work - from the Germanic "Ernte", to harvest. Whilst the weak past participal of this verb has taken a dominant position in the English language (earned) it is actually less "correct" than the irregular conjugation. Sorry if that seems a little pedantic, but it matters to me. Absolutly priceless.
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:08:00 - [208] Originally by: Ysabelle nKataros What have you got if you ain't got no respect? This is a thread for the respect that seems to have fallen out of the bottom of every other thread where trolling, flaming or paranoia have overwhelmed its presence. I went into this war with a very high opinion of ASCN's dedication and achievements and for the majority of its membership I still hold that opinion. ASCN, you have dared to bring the fight to us, you have battled tooth and nail where other alliances have crumbled and faded. No matter that the war has proceeded largely along the lines expected, I doubt any other would have taken half the beating you have and yet still be throwing themselves into the fray. To you, the pilots of the line who have given your ships and pods and your time to the defense of your lands, I salute you. Throughout the (many) pages of discussion this war has spawned, I have seen snippets and flashes of the respect each side has for the other. For those pilots that are unable to respond mutually, I ask that you leave this thread to those that do; despite the minority who may have offended your principles or acted in a manner you condemn, there are many that would still kick the ball between the trenches on Christmas day, and shake the hand of the man they have been shooting at. And so to you my comrades in BoB I offer thanks for starting this marvellous little scrap for my entertainment, and to ASCN for fighting the good fight. See you in space. It seems your boss does not agree, but thanks.
Nev Clavain Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:23:00 - [209] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: XoPhyte Seriously, how old are you? It's very easy to find out, the information can be found on my character sheet, and it will tell you, that I came into this life at the 6th of may, 2003. So far, everyone totally fails to see the obvious, with very few exceptions. Hide behind your character all you like. The time you spend playing this game and your actions in it are a part of your real life no matter how hard you try and run from this fact. Your character is a part of you, and whatever motivates that part of you to act in such a childish way I don't really care to speculate. All I can say is that you wouldn't behave like this unless you got some kind of satisfaction from it. My respect goes to those who can win in this game and still remain civil, and act with self discipline, without resorting to frenzied and uncontrolled rantings fit for a hormone-crazed 14 year old in a playground fight. Even more respect goes to those who can win and lose with a sense of humour. Also, all opinions are irrelevant to an extent. Actions will always count for more. However this is a place for opinions, and in that context everyone is equal. You may not care what someone thinks, but that does not make their opinion any more irrelevant than yours.
Joram McRory Caldari eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:36:00 - [210] Edited by: Joram McRory on 13/12/2006 14:37:08 Thread necro 4tw, but seeing we are here....... regarding "hiding behind your avatar": Many people have argued that it doesn't really matter what we say here as we are "in character" and therefore it is all a game so who cares.... To my mind this is utter bolox. That is only true if you can honestly say that you personally (the man behind the toon) never got any real sense of satisfaction from the game. When the titan died were you jumping up and down at your desk? whooping on TS? did you get a massive surege of pleasure from the kill?? If so then I am afraid that you proved that your Toon is you, and you are your Toon. It's just an extension of yourself into the eve world. So saying they are seperate is just looking for a license to smack with no come back imo. Joram My Photography site



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