EVE Search - [Rebalance] The Wrecks

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

[Rebalance] The Wrecks

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 1 post(s)
Anthar Thebess 1094	Posted - 2015.06.22 22:13:56 - [1] - Quote Yes we are finally ready for this Why? Currently almost any frigate can instantly kill any wreck. This have good and bad application in game, but usually it is abused to prevent someone from warp , salvage or loot something. Just to prevent this from happening we should think about giving wrecks more EHP. To simplify we will have 5 basic types of wrecks : S , M , L , XL , XXL * S corresponds to current wreck ehp and all it is being created when destroyer or smaller ship dies ( no difference T1/T2 or T3) * M will have around 1.5k EHP. It is created after destroying (battle)cruser or industrial ship * L comes from Battleship (maybe also orca) and have 5k EHP * XL wreck come from carrier, dread, freighter , jump freighter and rorqual , it have 20k EHP * XXL wreck come from supper carrier or Titan, it have around 50k ehp. What will this change? 2 simple examples: - new fleet opportunity : common tactic is to kill all wrecks near your fleet to remove unwanted wapins. - more dead freighters : after ganking a freighter , common thing is to kill the wreck. If this wreck could be left alive , someone will try to pick this stuff up in another freighter , gaining suspect timer Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1126	Posted - 2015.06.22 23:10:49 - [2] - Quote I'd be fine with some warpable debris taking the wreck's place until the timer would have run out.
Asshin Riraille Asshin Factories 1	Posted - 2015.06.22 23:31:24 - [3] - Quote It would be logical that bigger wrecks have more ehp.
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 256	Posted - 2015.06.22 23:41:45 - [4] - Quote +1
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 30	Posted - 2015.06.23 00:40:43 - [5] - Quote This is logical. And it would also allow us to see a bit longer those shiny big capitals wrecks CCP invested time to design. +1 In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
FT Diomedes The Graduates Get Off My Lawn 1133	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:10:34 - [6] - Quote Good idea, supported. Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here? I'm stubborn.
Joe Risalo State War Academy Caldari State 819	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:15:25 - [7] - Quote One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck...
Sean Parisi Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T 699	Posted - 2015.06.23 02:32:52 - [8] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck... Or by popping their freighter when they come to scoop the loot.
Anthar Thebess 1098	Posted - 2015.06.23 06:40:56 - [9] - Quote Joe Risalo wrote: One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck... Yes , like you see this is one of the issues. Most important for me are the warpins, after the fleet warp changes those will be very important things on battlefield. "We need to kill one of the leading ships to provide warpin to bombers!" Now you just ungroup your guns and instantly clear those. Remember that when people see ISK they tend to do stupid things , and provide tons of content. If you want to troll the gankers , have a bomber with scrams sitting near the dead freighter. No targeting delay after decloack. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Samillian Angry Mustellid The Periphery 850	Posted - 2015.06.23 07:23:07 - [10] - Quote Seems reasonable to me that different classes of ship would produce wrecks that are harder to clear. Supported. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law

FireFrenzy Satan's Unicorns 485	Posted - 2015.06.23 08:35:54 - [11] - Quote seems very logical:)
Anthar Thebess 1099	Posted - 2015.06.23 09:41:31 - [12] - Quote It is about logic and all lost content Let wrecks spawn more wrecks. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
elitatwo Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team 690	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:26:56 - [13] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: It is about logic and all lost content Let wrecks spawn more wrecks. No objections. +1 Tired of low and nullsec? Join Eve Minions and experience the beauty of wormholes!
Kione Keikira Sleepless Guardians Unreachable 14	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:42:37 - [14] - Quote I'd love this, it'd also be awesome if we could see what the wreck was previously as a bit of a memorial to the valiant capsuleers who fought there or what some poor schmuck was flying when he got blapped. Maybe also have the killmail tied to the wreck? Joe Risalo wrote: One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck... The problem here isn"t the wreck being harder to pop, but the reason you're being ganked in the first place. Suicide ganking is also a problem but that's not going to go away any time soon... One day instead of suicide ganking it'll be suicide raids, where a gallente task force jumps into Jita to try and blap as many ships as possible while 0.1% of local fights back. Master of being misunderstood.
Anthar Thebess 1103	Posted - 2015.06.23 10:51:09 - [15] - Quote Thats the whole point. Wrecks are wrecks. How many times you see a wreck and want to check what it is there , how many times you warped to wreck.... Look at big fleets, many times you kill wreck to remove warpins - this will be still viable after, just not so easy and instant, and after fleet warp changes very important. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 32	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:26:06 - [16] - Quote Kione Keikira wrote: I'd love this, it'd also be awesome if we could see what the wreck was previously as a bit of a memorial to the valiant capsuleers who fought there or what some poor schmuck was flying when he got blapped. Maybe also have the killmail tied to the wreck? Joe Risalo wrote: One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck... The problem here isn"t the wreck being harder to pop, but the reason you're being ganked in the first place. Suicide ganking is also a problem but that's not going to go away any time soon... One day instead of suicide ganking it'll be suicide raids, where a gallente task force jumps into Jita to try and blap as many ships as possible while 0.1% of local fights back. Well, it actually happens kinda often. Except faction NPC militia is not as op as Concord. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Kione Keikira Sleepless Guardians Unreachable 14	Posted - 2015.06.23 11:44:10 - [17] - Quote Nyalnara wrote: Well, it actually happens kinda often. Except faction NPC militia is not as op as Concord. True that I guess, though it isn't always profitable for the gankers. I hope NPC militia and standings become relevant enough to replace sec status and Concord, standings are annoying rather than "oh **** I can't go here". Master of being misunderstood.
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 1756	Posted - 2015.06.23 13:51:38 - [18] - Quote I like the idea in principle. I think your proposed EHP values are a bit high, but the idea is sound. +1 Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures Inaugural C&P Thunderdome Champion
Anthar Thebess 1106	Posted - 2015.06.23 14:11:03 - [19] - Quote Bronson Hughes wrote: I like the idea in principle. I think your proposed EHP values are a bit high, but the idea is sound. +1 HIgh? Cruiser - battlecruiser can have from few to few dozen thousand EHP, so 1.5k ehp wreck is not much. Battleship ehp start from frew dozen thousands , so 5k is small compared to this. Capitals , they tend to have from few hundred thousands to few milion sometimes , again just 20k ehp Supers , well those can go to few dozen milion ehp , and we have only 50k ehp on wreck ( 1 shoot to fighter bombers , or 2 shoots for dread) Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Zauler Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 07:05:48 - [20] - Quote +1

Netan MalDoran xXTheWarhammerXx 111	Posted - 2015.06.24 07:58:25 - [21] - Quote +1 "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was!
Infrequent Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 86	Posted - 2015.06.24 09:22:52 - [22] - Quote We've been needing this for quite a while, it's always made sense, it still makes sense now. +1
Zibru Povens Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion 11	Posted - 2015.06.24 10:18:48 - [23] - Quote someone's mad their lewd got #AMT'd also no.
Anthar Thebess 1127	Posted - 2015.06.24 10:29:52 - [24] - Quote Zibru Povens wrote: someone's mad their lewd got #AMT'd also no. Huh? Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Nene Ryuseika The Ryuseika Group 40	Posted - 2015.06.24 10:40:16 - [25] - Quote +1 Imagine it also doesn't act like a can or can be salvaged in one go you actually have to salvage it a bit by bit and the EHP and mass gets smaller, while you're doing it your randomly extracting the modules and cargo as well as part of the salvage bit by bit, cycle by cycle
Cpt Patrick Archer Quam Singulari Triumvirate. 46	Posted - 2015.06.24 10:59:01 - [26] - Quote +1 Although I think the actual EHP needs some work. From my point of view it should be considerably more than what it is when a ship is still 'alive'. 1.5k Is not really a challenge to kill, so that sort of defeats the purpose.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 41	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:16:01 - [27] - Quote Nene Ryuseika wrote: +1 Imagine it also doesn't act like a can or can be salvaged in one go you actually have to salvage it a bit by bit and the EHP and mass gets smaller, while you're doing it your randomly extracting the modules and cargo as well as part of the salvage bit by bit, cycle by cycle No for the "randomly extract the loot", as gankers need to be mobile to stay alive (in a non-HighSec context), and looting would require the skill salvaging, which should not be forced onto player. Or salvaging 1 given to all new player and retroactively to all non-new players. (Random loot would mostly be annoying because the loot fairy would most likely feed you all those worthless cap charges anyway...) Why not for the "salvage during multiple cycles", would be more logical lore-wise, especially with capital wrecks. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Anthar Thebess 1129	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:27:32 - [28] - Quote This is not about the salvaging changes, but about boosting wrecks EHP. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 42	Posted - 2015.06.24 11:48:54 - [29] - Quote Well, we're speaking about making sure a wreck stay on grid longer, am i right? Then speaking about multi-cycle salvaging count in. Because 1 cycling a titan wreck will make it pop, even if 1B EHP. Augmenting wrecks EHP will bring back the old dessies salvaging fits. So, making sure you can't one cycle salvage is relevant. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Nene Ryuseika The Ryuseika Group 43	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:13:15 - [30] - Quote So you don't really propose developing wrecks into more-rounded content creators You just want to nullify the cheap tactic of popping the wreck people use to counter your equally cheap tactic of grab and dash okey then

Anthar Thebess 1133	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:24:28 - [31] - Quote Nene Ryuseika wrote: So you don't really propose developing wrecks into more-rounded content creators You just want to nullify the cheap tactic of popping the wreck people use to counter your equally cheap tactic of grab and dash okey then I think it is quite easy to boost EHP of a wreck , and creating new mechanic around it is totally different thing. We need wrecks for warpins after fleet warp changes. Ideas about creating wrecks creating more content are good, but if we ask CCP to give us to much , we will never get it. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Nene Ryuseika The Ryuseika Group 43	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:33:25 - [32] - Quote IMO if wrecks can't be cleared quickly they should definitely NOT be warp-to anymore
Tiddle Jr Galvanized Inc. 265	Posted - 2015.06.24 12:37:42 - [33] - Quote Could anyone remind me how long does wreck exist in space? Two hours? Do we need to consider a buff for this part as well?
Anthar Thebess 1133	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:07:21 - [34] - Quote Tiddle Jr wrote: Could anyone remind me how long does wreck exist in space? Two hours? Do we need to consider a buff for this part as well? The problem is about instant killing of wreck using a frigate, so you are killing them as fast as you can lock and cycle single gun. In a combat situation , you are clearing wrecks around you and in the middle of your fleet to remove all possible warpins for enemy fleet. Currently we will have fleet warp changes inbound and when FC cannot warp fleet , people waping to wrecks are very important thing, that we need to have. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 44	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:23:33 - [35] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Currently we will have fleet warp changes inbound and when FC cannot warp fleet , people waping to wrecks are very important thing, that we need to have. Which is exactly why we proposed wreck to need potentially more than one salvager cycle to clear. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Rafe Collins Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance 0	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:29:23 - [36] - Quote You can warp to fleet members so you don't need wrecks for warp ins. You just want white knights to stop shooting your hisec gaked wrecks. Quit acting like you are trying to make fleet fights better you scrub.
Anthar Thebess 1133	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:35:32 - [37] - Quote I killed my last freighter long time ago, if you care to check my killboard you will see i go for smaller stuff. In my first post i stated that this will also change way how the higsec ganking works , but it will change much more in fleet engagements. Guess what happens if a guy warp into the middle of enemy fleet, or in the optimal range of guns. He will die fast, but he leave wreck that could still provide a warpin. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2545	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:54:05 - [38] - Quote +1 Rafe Collins wrote: You just want white knights to stop shooting your hisec gaked wrecks. White knights can still shoot whatever ship loots the wreck. Oh wait...risk EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 92	Posted - 2015.06.24 13:57:27 - [39] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: - more dead freighters : after ganking a freighter , common thing is to kill the wreck. If this wreck could be left alive , someone will try to pick this stuff up in another freighter , gaining suspect timer Nonsense. Thanks to risk free looting by laundering the loot using fleet hangars on DST's and Orcas, the only thing that's going suspect is a noobship or a shuttle. You'll only see a suspect freighter in the rare case that single very valuable items are bigger than 50k m-¦ (size of a DST fleet hangar). Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
Bronson Hughes The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration 1766	Posted - 2015.06.24 14:11:45 - [40] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I like the idea in principle. I think your proposed EHP values are a bit high, but the idea is sound. +1 HIgh? Cruiser - battlecruiser can have from few to few dozen thousand EHP, so 1.5k ehp wreck is not much. Battleship ehp start from frew dozen thousands , so 5k is small compared to this. Capitals , they tend to have from few hundred thousands to few milion sometimes , again just 20k ehp Supers , well those can go to few dozen milion ehp , and we have only 50k ehp on wreck ( 1 shoot to fighter bombers , or 2 shoots for dread) Balance that EHP level with the time it takes for a ship that size to lock a wreck and destroy it. My concern is that granting battleship wrecks much higher EHP, thus making them harder to kill, will further discourage battleship fleets because there will be a greater window of opportunity for hostiles to warp to wrecks. Maybe if the signature radius of the wrecks also increased in size as well so that, for example, battleships could lock battleship-sized wrecks almost instantly and I could get behind EHP values that high. That way, if your battleship fleet is awake and popping wrecks, there still won't be much warp-in opportunity, but if they're relying on their support, which has lower overall DPS, they'll be vulnerable longer. Relatively Notorious By Association My Many Misadventures Inaugural C&P Thunderdome Champion

Xe'Cara'eos A Big Enough Lever 294	Posted - 2015.06.24 14:49:33 - [41] - Quote +1, numbers may or may not need tweaking (I think the XL and XXL wrecks might need a bit less) but that's a secondary consideration to the basic premise SUPPORTED! For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
EVE-Lotteries EVE-Lotteries Corporation 18	Posted - 2015.06.24 14:52:32 - [42] - Quote I support this Idea You miss blink ? Come and play with us at EVE-Lotteries.com !
Aeril Malkyre Knights of the Ouroboros 420	Posted - 2015.06.24 14:53:22 - [43] - Quote I'm all for logical progression. Buuuuuuut on the other hand, one of my fondest memories comes from popping wrecks: Early on when salvage was still a good chunk of my income, ninjas would come in and salvage my wrecks, or try and loot-bait me. So rather than just let them steal from me, I'd target all the wrecks within 20km or so of them, and then send a 1400mm shell through the wreck before their salvager could cycle. Many vulture tears were had in Local. Also I enjoy the anti-ganker movement popping the wrecks so CODE and their ilk don't get the loot from their cowardice. Unsigned, but good idea.
Sahriah BloodStone Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum 119	Posted - 2015.06.24 15:50:49 - [44] - Quote This one time, a Merlin popped a Charon wreak of a legal wartarget that had 5bil of loot in it with a single volley. Yes please +1 "Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "
La Ahri Project Tetragrammaton 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 15:52:56 - [45] - Quote I think hp should be equal to structure hp or something. Anyway, would be nice.
Menero Orti Jedran Space Services Manifest Destiny... 46	Posted - 2015.06.24 16:14:18 - [46] - Quote I like the suggested idea
Lena Lazair Khanid Irregulars Khanid's Legion 501	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:13:11 - [47] - Quote Sean Parisi wrote: Joe Risalo wrote: One question though, is this a silent (I want to loot the suicide ganked freighter wreck we kills before someone shoots it) thread, would it? If so, unsupported.... The only thing better than suicide ganking a freighter is trolling the gankers by popping the wreck... Or by popping their freighter when they come to scoop the loot. You should actually go watch a hisec freighter gank before making silly comments like this. Protip: suspect flags follow the pilot, not the ship.
Globby The Conference Elite CODE. 48	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:22:30 - [48] - Quote I fully support the OP's premise that wrecks should have EHP proportional to the EHP of the ship class it was in before it was destroyed. The scaling can be tweaked, but it needs to be done in order to balance wreck shooting to remove warp-ins and wreck shooting friendly supercarrier and titan wrecks to deny your enemies potentially tens of billions in loot. Also, a thrasher shouldn't be able to one-volley a freighter wreck in highsec destroying billions in loot. Gankers spend hundreds of millions ( and potentially billions ) to kill single freighters, and to have all the profits destroyed because the 'wreck' only has 500 EHP is kind of silly and unbalanced. Make them bring at least a third of what we did to kill the wreck in the first place. And remember, don't forget to buy your mining permits.
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 314	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:35:19 - [49] - Quote In the one-line bad ideas thread I said we should have loot spew for wrecks just like we used to for exploration sites. I can't understand why we wouldn't want this?
Sarah Flynt Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity 93	Posted - 2015.06.24 17:53:54 - [50] - Quote Globby wrote: Also, a thrasher shouldn't be able to one-volley a freighter wreck in highsec destroying billions in loot. Gankers spend hundreds of millions ( and potentially billions ) to kill single freighters, and to have all the profits destroyed because the 'wreck' only has 500 EHP is kind of silly and unbalanced. Make them bring at least a third of what we did to kill the wreck in the first place. If in turn risk free looting through DST/Orca fleet hangars gets removed, I could live with that. Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !

EVE-Bet Angelus Eve-Bet 1	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:29:16 - [51] - Quote They should probably address the loot mechanic before carrying out such a change. As long as it takes less than a second to loot wrecks destroying them shouldn't take that much longer.
Amonios Zula Aeon Ascendant 46	Posted - 2015.06.24 18:48:28 - [52] - Quote La Ahri wrote: I think hp should be equal to structure hp or something. Anyway, would be nice. I'd say more like half or quarter the hp of structure, the ships structure did fold under weapons fire afterall. another possibility if differing sized wrecks were to happen, is larger wrecks = bigger sig radius, easier to scan down for more fun
Jayne Fillon 731	Posted - 2015.06.24 19:32:25 - [53] - Quote I like this Can't shoot blues if you don't have any. Long Live NPSI.
Archetype 66 Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Nulli Secunda 187	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:26:09 - [54] - Quote +1
Zappity WiNGSPAN Delivery Services 2250	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:49:16 - [55] - Quote I like. Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
Malcolm Malicious Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 68	Posted - 2015.06.24 20:55:57 - [56] - Quote This is great, especially with the new fleet warp changes
Pulttl Off-By-One Errors 0	Posted - 2015.06.24 21:10:10 - [57] - Quote Sarah Flynt wrote: Speaking of silly and unbalanced: if in turn risk free looting through DST/Orca fleet hangars gets removed, I could live with that. +1 to this. Fixing both would be awesome. It can achieve the original goal without harming the risk vs. reward balance around hisec ganking. Identify hisec gankers at GankerLookout.com
Hong Hu EVE University Ivy League 23	Posted - 2015.06.24 22:47:18 - [58] - Quote Good stuff. Good idea. Will the wrecks have different icons to reflect the different sizes?
Theon Severasse Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 130	Posted - 2015.06.25 04:18:41 - [59] - Quote No. When soloing, being able to pop wrecks to prevent a fleet warping on top of you is very important, and will become even more so with the fleet warps.
Krops Vont Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens 79	Posted - 2015.06.25 06:36:31 - [60] - Quote If this is considered, which it has been mentioned multiple times, can we have a trade off like scannable/warpable or not warpable on grid like drones are. --==Services==-- Propaganda/Art/Media Wormhole Finding & Selling o/ Play for fun

Anthar Thebess 1160	Posted - 2015.06.25 07:11:09 - [61] - Quote Krops Vont wrote: If this is considered, which it has been mentioned multiple times, can we have a trade off like scannable/warpable or not warpable on grid like drones are. One thing at the time. Currently we need this badly before fleet warp changes hit. There are many possibilities how we can use wrecks - i like the idea about "mining" bigger ones. CCP could pin topic dedicated to wrecks , as making capital wrecks un-destroyable until completely "mined out" is fun idea for me. THink about all those mining ships around super carrier wreck Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Aeon Veritas Lobach Inc. Easily Offended 10	Posted - 2015.06.25 09:23:17 - [62] - Quote +1 for the OP idea A small extension of the idea would be to add mass to the wrecks (maybe half of average mass of the ship class?) and somehow calculate the mass with the base velocity of tractor beams. Because at the moment a titan wreck could be drawn with 2400m/sec from a Noctis... Maybe the Small tractor beams should be rendered unable to draw XL and XXL wrecks. (sizes acc. OP) That could give the Rorq a new role for after fleet fights... Edit: better Attribute would be "Force" since velocity = force / mass General module tiericide thoughts
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 47	Posted - 2015.06.25 09:30:20 - [63] - Quote Uuuuuuse the foooorce, Luke... In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 59	Posted - 2015.06.25 09:46:30 - [64] - Quote In general I have no objection to this idea, however in order to be implemented, looting mechanics (at least) need to be fixed (namely DST fleet hangar mechanic). Otherwise its just a stealth buff to gankers who (obviously) are getting a bit hurt in their backs due to the fact that some of the folks fighting them actually started popping the wrecks (as they - the gankers, suggested in one thread ). So -1 atm, with +1 potential. Also, numbers need to be worked on a bit (tone them down maybe).
Anthar Thebess 1161	Posted - 2015.06.25 10:03:31 - [65] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: In general I have no objection to this idea, however in order to be implemented, looting mechanics (at least) need to be fixed (namely DST fleet hangar mechanic). Otherwise its just a stealth buff to gankers who (obviously) are getting a bit hurt in their backs due to the fact that some of the folks fighting them actually started popping the wrecks (as they - the gankers, suggested in one thread ). So -1 atm, with +1 potential. Also, numbers need to be worked on a bit (tone them down maybe). I think it is not hard to block moving cargo to fleet hangar based on crime watch mechanic. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 59	Posted - 2015.06.25 10:25:24 - [66] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: I think it is not hard to block moving cargo to fleet hangar based on crime watch mechanic. Unfortunately, it is. You might not live in hisec, but this change would definitely be a giant buff to efficiency of freighter ganking.
Anthar Thebess 1161	Posted - 2015.06.25 10:34:56 - [67] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: I think it is not hard to block moving cargo to fleet hangar based on crime watch mechanic. Unfortunately, it is. You might not live in hisec, but this change would definitely be a giant buff to efficiency of freighter ganking. But at the same time solve very important issue after fleet warp changes. Like in life , you fix something just to brake 2 other things. In nullsec i want to have fun when i undock , rather than watch someone having it 200km away , without getting a proper warpin. Try to get near frigate / destroyer / kite cruiser brawl, when you : - probe - warp alt - warp your ship to alt enemy will be 70km already. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Gingar Bread School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 4	Posted - 2015.06.25 11:05:26 - [68] - Quote Good Morning scrub, It seems for as much as you tried to dupe people in your OP about how many noble reasons you had for having wrecks not pop so easily, your last 3 posts made it abundantly clear why you actually need wrecks to stay on grid. Learn to play, learn to kite, stop flying triple plated **, user probrs better or have a friend in a dedicated prober, have probes on your combat ship, there's quite a few options. I think the "tl;dr" to you is L2P. You're not getting free warp-ins now that CCP is removing fleet warps and sovlosers can't be warped around anymore. From the CCP post: "The goal of these changes is to encourage more individual fleet member participation and reduce the speed at which fleets can get on top of targets (e.g bombers)**." Your argument is going against exactly the reason why CCP is doing the warp changes in the first place. And all the bandwagon jumpers are not better here. kthxbai o/
Anthar Thebess 1161	Posted - 2015.06.25 11:22:47 - [69] - Quote Lol. You can warp to wrecks now. I gave simple example how having ability to warp to wrecks is useful for a single player. When you look at the fleet engagements this issue become bigger and bigger. Ever tried to fly in a dictor? Usually you sit around 200-300km away from main engagements , trying not to die from ceptors. When you see a proper moment , or FC ask you to do so , you try to warp into the middle of enemy fleet and keep as many ships as you can on the field. You will die instantly. My record is 17 dictors lost in one fleet. Probably i am bad at this game, but it is really hard to survive without reps, sitting in the middle of the enemy fleet in your own bubble. You cannot count on any other warpin than enemy wreck. CCP is shifting game to cruiser gangs , and they move quite fast , now we are talking about missile ships - so again this will be very fast fleets, kite fleets. No way you can keep enemy fleet bubbled in crucial moment without having ability to warp to "fresh" wreck Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Jin Kugu Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 25	Posted - 2015.06.25 12:13:23 - [70] - Quote +1 For anyone that doesn't know wrecks have 500ehp(less than a pod) and 5000 sig radius(twice that of a dread). This means that anything can lock and kill it instantly. With the fleet warp changes coming, now is a good time to deal with this because getting warpins from wrecks will be crucial. The only argument people can bring up against this logical change is 'tears', this only proves to me that the current wrecks are frustrating to some people but don't have a good reason to be this flimsy.

Anthar Thebess 1161	Posted - 2015.06.25 13:11:53 - [71] - Quote Something exploded, it is radioactive then signature can be big. When you have only scrap metal left on field , it should need something more than a 1 bullet to destroy it. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
InTrader Zim State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.25 15:16:51 - [72] - Quote +1 CCP, this is a really good idea!
Trader Bongo McButtStash State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2015.06.25 15:21:59 - [73] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: I think it is not hard to block moving cargo to fleet hangar based on crime watch mechanic. Unfortunately, it is. You might not live in hisec, but this change would definitely be a giant buff to efficiency of freighter ganking. Actually, this wouldn't effect freighters getting ganked period, just the loot retrieval after the fact. This does not prevent anything from dying any less often than it currently does. Unfortunately, people are letting personal motives get in the way of changes that would mean a lot to a ton of different parts of the game for other people. A titan that has 100 million EHP shouldn't be able to have it's wreck popped by one bullet. Just my .02
Anathema De'vouis Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.25 15:27:01 - [74] - Quote why hasn't this been thought of sooner! good idea, makes sense
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 61	Posted - 2015.06.25 18:00:59 - [75] - Quote Trader Bongo McButtStash wrote: Actually, this wouldn't effect freighters getting ganked period, just the loot retrieval after the fact. This does not prevent anything from dying any less often than it currently does. Unfortunately, people are letting personal motives get in the way of changes that would mean a lot to a ton of different parts of the game for other people. A titan that has 100 million EHP shouldn't be able to have it's wreck popped by one bullet. Just my .02 Not sure but seriously doubt titans have 100 mil EHP in any configuration. Also, I too used to like posting on alts.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 48	Posted - 2015.06.25 19:39:19 - [76] - Quote Been fiddling with Pyfa, easily go up to 50M. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
ugly inside Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 20	Posted - 2015.06.25 19:47:28 - [77] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Bronson Hughes wrote: I like the idea in principle. I think your proposed EHP values are a bit high, but the idea is sound. +1 HIgh? Cruiser - battlecruiser can have from few to few dozen thousand EHP, so 1.5k ehp wreck is not much. Battleship ehp start from frew dozen thousands , so 5k is small compared to this. Capitals , they tend to have from few hundred thousands to few milion sometimes , again just 20k ehp Supers , well those can go to few dozen milion ehp , and we have only 50k ehp on wreck ( 1 shoot to fighter bombers , or 2 shoots for dread) take paper.. now punch paper.. it might have a hole in it if done right. take wood.. punch wood... now detonate dynomite next to wood.. now punch the wood chips.. take a gun.. shoot a jeep.. now blow the jeep up.. now shoot the jeep with the same gun.. things lose their structural integrity when they kinda lose their frame work. have you seen the wrecks up close. look like Picasso work for metal art.
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1941	Posted - 2015.06.25 20:26:13 - [78] - Quote Just massively reduce their sig so they can't be insta locked. It gives you a window to warp if you are paying attention. Saying it's normal for wreck to take more than one shot kinda forget the fact wreck would not be immobile and more than likely only be a bunch of pieces scattering in space thus not staying in place for you to warp to.
Daichi Yamato Xero Security and Technologies 2547	Posted - 2015.06.25 20:37:31 - [79] - Quote ugly inside wrote: take paper.. now punch paper.. it might have a hole in it if done right. take wood.. punch wood... now detonate dynomite next to wood.. now punch the wood chips.. take a gun.. shoot a jeep.. now blow the jeep up.. now shoot the jeep with the same gun.. things lose their structural integrity when they kinda lose their frame work. have you seen the wrecks up close. look like Picasso work for metal art. I can only think of something like a black hole that could completely destroy a car and remove it from the universe (and even then, its not truly destroyed). So what youre saying is it should take a doomsday volley to completely remove a wreck from the game? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 61	Posted - 2015.06.25 20:48:25 - [80] - Quote Nyalnara wrote: Been fiddling with Pyfa, easily go up to 50M. Yes, 'easily' consisting of titan links, T2 trimarks, HG Slaves, and purple fit. Now double that somehow, please.

Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 61	Posted - 2015.06.25 20:50:02 - [81] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: ugly inside wrote: take paper.. now punch paper.. it might have a hole in it if done right. take wood.. punch wood... now detonate dynomite next to wood.. now punch the wood chips.. take a gun.. shoot a jeep.. now blow the jeep up.. now shoot the jeep with the same gun.. things lose their structural integrity when they kinda lose their frame work. have you seen the wrecks up close. look like Picasso work for metal art. I can only think of something like a black hole that could completely destroy a car and remove it from the universe (and even then, its not truly destroyed). So what youre saying is it should take a doomsday volley to completely remove a wreck from the game? Ok, then a counter-proposal - on destroying wreck it turns into some salvage you can scoop. Less then you can get using the salvager though. There, mystery and problem solved.
Trader Bongo McButtStash State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2015.06.26 00:57:48 - [82] - Quote I just got it to 75 mil without leviathan boosts or links, 100 mil is so easy. If I knew how to use EFT I'd add it in. (remember leviathan boosts are a massive boost to shield HP, and erebus boosts are a massive boost to armor) http://i.imgur.com/tIhYAMm.png I don't know how CCP deals with linking images on the forum so forgive me if I break any rules. Please, at least do your homework if you're going to pretend to know things. edit: This is all against the premise anyway, this is a really good change and it makes sense; I'm tired of having titan wrecks instantly killed every single time they're created, and same with super carriers and capitals. It's unfair that ships with 100k+ EHP have a wreck that a frigate can 1shot, it's poor game balance and this thing would make for a great and fair change.
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 48	Posted - 2015.06.26 07:00:17 - [83] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: Nyalnara wrote: Been fiddling with Pyfa, easily go up to 50M. Yes, 'easily' consisting of titan links, T2 trimarks, HG Slaves, and purple fit. Now double that somehow, please. Nope, T3 links because i was lazy, and midgrade snake only. In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Anthar Thebess 1166	Posted - 2015.06.26 10:49:25 - [84] - Quote It is not about making insane EHP, but forcing people that kill wrecks on field to put effort in this. I love idea about "mining" the wrecks , but lets get as much support to ehp buff , before fleet warp changes hit. If for CCP is hard to difference wreck types and EHP , lets just boost all wreck EHP from 500 to around 10.000. Still 1 variable that is probably sitting somewhere in the database. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 62	Posted - 2015.06.26 11:49:21 - [85] - Quote Trader Bongo McButtStash wrote: Please, at least do your homework if you're going to pretend to know things. I don't know much about titans, never claimed to, and as I said - not sure but seriously doubt 100mil ehp. It seems I made a mistake, my bad. To explain where the mistake came from - I did my EFT-ing with avatar in eft, with avatar as booster (didn't know erebus was better) and did not overheat harders, so ye, it can actually go for a burst tank of over 100mil EHP (2 minutes 20 seconds before hardeners burning out). BTW, either something's wrong with my EFT or yours since I could not get your 72 mil on levi if I fit a clear pilot (no implants) and no boosters on the exact same fit (I get 65 mil ehp). Either way, it could be argued that EHP is irrelevant for the wreck as its very dependent on the situation (as this disscussion has shown) and once the wreck pops only its base HP value should count. EDIT: All the EFT warrioring aside, I stand by my comments on the wreck changes (-1 atm)
Nyalnara Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions 52	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:11:20 - [86] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: If for CCP is hard to difference wreck types and EHP No, it's not hard, as they manage to load different models based on size (S, M, L, and all Caps), and they also keep track as whether it was a T1 or T2 hull before being wrecked... In case of ponies, keep calm and start running. French half-noob. Founder of [DEUPP]Dark Evil Undead Ponies Productions.
Jin Kugu Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 26	Posted - 2015.06.26 12:27:26 - [87] - Quote Rhamnousia Nosferatu wrote: [quote=Trader Bongo McButtStash] EDIT: All the EFT warrioring aside, I stand by my comments on the wreck changes (-1 atm) Popping wrecks is already common in nullsec and I don't doubt that with fleetwarp changes anti-support roles will be ordered to always shoot wrecks in range. At the moment there is nothing at all you can do to stop someone from killing a wreck instantly. Anything can lock and kill it instantly. There is no counterplay. Can you give any reason balancing wrecks is not a good change for everyone? Your comment was that this buffs people looting wrecks too, wich is a pretty obvious result of these changes. Is there any gameplay or balance reason this is not a good thing? Your personal feelings towards certain groups are not a reason to stop good changes.
Laidai Proset Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.26 13:51:21 - [88] - Quote seems like a change that benefits everybody, and just makes sense. maybe make it an average of the raw hp of the CLASS of ships, and not the fitted ships, so like 0.5k for a noobship/shuttle 2k for a frigate 3.5k for a destroyer 5k for a cruiser (mining barges) 10k for a battlecruiser 20k for a battleship 75k for carrier/dreadnaught/freighter/jumpfreighter/orca/rorqual 150k for supercarrier/titan this makes it so it's not nearly as big as the actual ship (with no fittings) but big enough so that having a wreck is relevant
Anthar Thebess 1166	Posted - 2015.06.26 14:20:47 - [89] - Quote Jin Kugu wrote: Popping wrecks is already common in nullsec and I don't doubt that with fleetwarp changes anti-support roles will be ordered to always shoot wrecks in range. At the moment there is nothing at all you can do to stop someone from killing a wreck instantly. Anything can lock and kill it instantly. There is no counterplay. Can you give any reason balancing wrecks is not a good change for everyone? Your comment was that this buffs people looting wrecks too, wich is a pretty obvious result of these changes. Is there any gameplay or balance reason this is not a good thing? Your personal feelings towards certain groups are not a reason to stop good changes. I posted thing about ganking , as this is obvious that this will be also considered as some buff to this activity - every one is aware about this. When you fly a while in nullsec you will notice how fast people are adapting to new stuff - as here is just adapt , or die. When we are talking about kiting, long range doctrines - in order to engage enemy you need to be in similar doctrine , or have ability to tackle enemy ships , especially when they starting to die as "reps are not holding". Basic ship used to tackle large group of enemy ships is a dictor, dictor that cannot probe by himself, so he can warp to other fleet member or for example a wreck in the middle of enemy fleet. Nullsec FC are not stupid people. Inability to warp fleet will be abused , and clearing the field from potential warpins will be very important task. This will not be something new, countless times i already did this after FC requested this. You can instantly lock any wreck and kill it using one gun. Now , the question is. Do we want this to work this way after next patch. I don't . After years playing this game i had enough blue balling over the years. Killing wrecks will be used mostly to prevent bigger engagements not to promote them. I prefer to die than constantly rewarp on the battlefield - as this is fun. This will not make higsec ganking harder or easier, scooping stuff by other freighter will give the pilot aggro - any one can tackle it. You see a broken mechanic connected to fleet hangars , address this issue to CCP. Wrecks must be harder to kill if we want nice, bloody brawls. Laidai Proset wrote: seems like a change that benefits everybody, and just makes sense. maybe make it an average of the raw hp of the CLASS of ships, and not the fitted ships, so like 0.5k for a noobship/shuttle 2k for a frigate 3.5k for a destroyer 5k for a cruiser (mining barges) 10k for a battlecruiser 20k for a battleship 75k for carrier/dreadnaught/freighter/jumpfreighter/orca/rorqual 150k for supercarrier/titan this makes it so it's not nearly as big as the actual ship (with no fittings) but big enough so that having a wreck is relevant Quite high numbers, but i guess keeping 500ehp on a interceptor was mistake from my side. Dead frigate can be very important warp point. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
ham mover cruise School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:26:29 - [90] - Quote wreck shooting currently has no counterplay, glad to see this change, +1

Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1944	Posted - 2015.06.26 16:28:51 - [91] - Quote ham mover cruise wrote: wreck shooting currently has no counterplay, glad to see this change, +1 Creating more wrecks or initiating warp faster?
Rhamnousia Nosferatu Omar Little Fan Club 62	Posted - 2015.06.26 18:21:33 - [92] - Quote Jin Kugu wrote: Your personal feelings towards certain groups are not a reason to stop good changes. Neither should yours feeling or vested interests be reason to promote bad changes, Jin Blam. At least I don't try to hide behind easily traceable atls when trying to appear 'non-biased'. Anyway, had you read this thread from the beginning you would have seen that I have no problem with such a change in case of changing looting mechanics which allow for 100% safe looting using DST hanger.
Lloyd Roses Artificial Memories 1145	Posted - 2015.06.26 18:25:51 - [93] - Quote Think the focus should rest on warpable spots around the grid due to wrecks (or lore-wise: any lockable mass floating around), not the wrecks or their survival themselves. If three pings on each and every gate in null is now a prereq to even think about fighting, that'd be dull. If a gate would have public pings due to wreckage (from the last fight still) floating, that would enhance gameplay by quite a margin though.
Anthar Thebess 1171	Posted - 2015.06.27 22:51:49 - [94] - Quote CCP want people to show how capable they are in fleets. 20k ehp broadcasted wreck will die instantly , but multiple people will need to use cycle of all guns. Now 1 gun = 1 dead wreck. Summarizing . In order to kill 8 wrecks , currently we need 1 person , ungrouped guns and 8 gun battleship. After this change we will need 20-60 people to do the same depending on the doctrine. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT CHANGE. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Colonel Mortis Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 6	Posted - 2015.06.29 08:15:38 - [95] - Quote +1 support
Gladius Nova CHELM Defense Agency 0	Posted - 2015.06.30 06:34:17 - [96] - Quote Good idea!
Anthar Thebess 1203	Posted - 2015.06.30 20:59:04 - [97] - Quote Keep this topic visible by posting. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Epsilon Dog Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 0	Posted - 2015.07.05 22:00:32 - [98] - Quote +1
Iain Cariaba 1604	Posted - 2015.07.05 22:40:41 - [99] - Quote Daichi Yamato wrote: ugly inside wrote: take paper.. now punch paper.. it might have a hole in it if done right. take wood.. punch wood... now detonate dynomite next to wood.. now punch the wood chips.. take a gun.. shoot a jeep.. now blow the jeep up.. now shoot the jeep with the same gun.. things lose their structural integrity when they kinda lose their frame work. have you seen the wrecks up close. look like Picasso work for metal art. I can only think of something like a black hole that could completely destroy a car and remove it from the universe (and even then, its not truly destroyed). So what youre saying is it should take a doomsday volley to completely remove a wreck from the game? The proper volumes, and it's not as much as you think, of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil will effectively reduce a car into wreckage spread over a good area. Wreckage like this is pretty much useless for salvage. EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Will troll for a t-shirt.
Drammie Askold Phoibe Enterprises 9	Posted - 2015.07.07 10:25:03 - [100] - Quote Seems a good idea.

Anthar Thebess 1216	Posted - 2015.07.08 10:31:34 - [101] - Quote CCP more ehp on wrecks pls. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Rayzilla Zaraki Yin Jian Enterprises 298	Posted - 2015.07.08 14:33:27 - [102] - Quote I support/endorse this product/service. It makes sense. The wreck HP should be a percentage of the ship's hull HP. Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
Anthar Thebess 1223	Posted - 2015.07.13 08:42:21 - [103] - Quote Rayzilla Zaraki wrote: I support/endorse this product/service. It makes sense. The wreck HP should be a percentage of the ship's hull HP. Yes this also could be the the way. I think that this will require much more work than generic types based on ship class. Each ship have different hp , player can also modify this fitting mods , and training proper skills , so again more and more things to calculate. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 267	Posted - 2015.07.14 17:54:11 - [104] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: Yes we are finally ready for this Why? Currently almost any frigate can instantly kill any wreck. This have good and bad application in game, but usually it is abused to prevent someone from warp , salvage or loot something. Just to prevent this from happening we should think about giving wrecks more EHP. To simplify we will have 5 basic types of wrecks : S , M , L , XL , XXL * S corresponds to current wreck ehp and all it is being created when destroyer or smaller ship dies ( no difference T1/T2 or T3) * M will have around 1.5k EHP. It is created after destroying (battle)cruser or industrial ship * L comes from Battleship (maybe also orca) and have 5k EHP * XL wreck come from carrier, dread, freighter , jump freighter and rorqual , it have 20k EHP * XXL wreck come from supper carrier or Titan, it have around 50k ehp. What will this change? 2 simple examples: - new fleet opportunity : common tactic is to kill all wrecks near your fleet to remove unwanted wapins. - more dead freighters : after ganking a freighter , common thing is to kill the wreck. If this wreck could be left alive , someone will try to pick this stuff up in another freighter , gaining suspect timer What you call abuse is a core game philosophy of this game basically the ability to annoy someone into a fight so you can get at your real objective which is to kill someone in a bling ship. so no. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Anthar Thebess 1225	Posted - 2015.07.14 21:16:56 - [105] - Quote Read all posts. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Spectre 666 Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2015.07.14 22:34:36 - [106] - Quote annoying other players is God (EVE) given right that should be cherished and protected, so no to your idea.
Anthar Thebess 1229	Posted - 2015.07.16 11:23:50 - [107] - Quote It is not about annoy someone , but to balance battle field. Look at this this way. I have 8 battleship wrecks - if i want to remove all of them now i need 1 person in 8 gun battleship, that will split guns , and destroy all of them in 1 cycle. Now lets assume that battleship wreck have 20k ehp in structure. This give us 8*20 = 120k of ehp that needs to be applied to have the same effect. Assuming 4k alpha from all guns , we need 5 ships per wreck to destroy it , so 40 people need to lock, and waste 1 gun cycle to achieve the same thing. Before not all the people will find proper wreck , lock it fast enough we are talking about viable warpin points for around 10 seconds. On a nullsec battleship - this is a long time. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
i make jobs2 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.07.16 16:36:58 - [108] - Quote I like this idea, I'm tired of abandoning wrecks so my friend can loot them and having some troll come into my mission and shoot them, not even take them. good idea +1
Strata Maslav V0LTA Triumvirate. 134	Posted - 2015.07.16 21:35:27 - [109] - Quote Adding HP to a wreck does sound interesting, but what I am interested in is the creation of scenery, history and malice with player legacy wrecks. GÇ£He jumps into the next system and from the safety of the cloak he see the welcome party, a swathe of wrecks. The broken capital ships punctuate the field with less discernible smaller hulls scattered between them. From the main cluster there is a thin line wrecks, they were probably gunned down as they tried to retreated from a losing fight. These are older wrecks and they have been stripped of all salvageable parts that might hold value. The warp-able battery powered distress beacons, activated by the crew moments of the dying ship, have long since died out. Only their husks remain, as a marker of conflict. Still under his cloak he the scanner, no active ships nearby. Unsettled by the chaos around him he aligns to celestial on horizon. He knows he should leave the uncertainty of the jump gate but curiosity get the better. Looking at his overview settings, he opens up the tab labeled "Legacy Wrecks," the space lights up all around him icons. Each icon he clicks shows a Kill Mail, giving hints as to his fatal error leading to the vessel's demise. It appears most of the fighting took place two days ago. In a month or two these wrecks will have scattered to void leave a blank page for another battle write its story. Ever the entrepreneur he looks how each vessel was equipped and takes note. "The capsuleers might be licking their wounds right now, but I'm sure they will be up for a fight again soon. If I import and put these modules up on the local market I might be able to make a quick million ISK or two. He remembers he's still slow boating off the gate, and decides he's been long enough. It is an awe inspiring sight and warning to any unknowing pilot. This region is in the grips of a war, and that he should keep his wits about him.GÇ¥
Aeon Veritas Lobach Inc. Easily Offended 16	Posted - 2015.07.24 07:44:04 - [110] - Quote Hopefully CCP is realy considering this idea, since the fleet warp changes are again delayed, now to the (29th of) September Update. General module tiericide thoughts

Anthar Thebess 1236	Posted - 2015.07.24 08:38:20 - [111] - Quote We can only have hope. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
admiral root Red Galaxy 2867	Posted - 2015.07.24 13:42:31 - [112] - Quote Kione Keikira wrote: Suicide ganking is also a problem It really isn't. Kione Keikira wrote: One day instead of suicide ganking it'll be suicide raids, where a gallente task force jumps into Jita to try and blap as many ships as possible Now you're just turning me on. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff CODE. forum - everyone's welcome (no shiptoasters)
Max Deveron Deveron Shipyards and Technology 212	Posted - 2015.07.24 15:23:40 - [113] - Quote +1
i make jobs2 Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.07.24 19:15:27 - [114] - Quote how long is this going to be not implemented? this is imo a really good change and im shocked its taking this long with no one saying anything about it???
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 314	Posted - 2015.07.25 01:53:48 - [115] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: It is not about annoy someone , but to balance battle field. Look at this this way. I have 8 battleship wrecks - if i want to remove all of them now i need 1 person in 8 gun battleship, that will split guns , and destroy all of them in 1 cycle. Now lets assume that battleship wreck have 20k ehp in structure. This give us 8*20 = 120k of ehp that needs to be applied to have the same effect. Assuming 4k alpha from all guns , we need 5 ships per wreck to destroy it , so 40 people need to lock, and waste 1 gun cycle to achieve the same thing. Before not all the people will find proper wreck , lock it fast enough we are talking about viable warpin points for around 10 seconds. On a nullsec battleship - this is a long time. In highsec a valid game playing technique is to blast cans and try and get the owner pissed enough to attack you the counter is to blow up your own cans, this idea doesnt stop this but would have a negative impact on it as the can killer uses a cheap ship usually a T1 frig with just enough firepower to blow up cans, you would be changing the dynamic considerably as you say and this would hurt highsec pvp. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Maldiro Selkurk CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X 314	Posted - 2015.07.25 01:55:32 - [116] - Quote i make jobs2 wrote: I like this idea, I'm tired of abandoning wrecks so my friend can loot them and having some troll come into my mission and shoot them, not even take them. good idea +1 Exactly why this should NOT be put into the game. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Anthar Thebess 1241	Posted - 2015.07.28 07:07:19 - [117] - Quote Maldiro Selkurk wrote: i make jobs2 wrote: I like this idea, I'm tired of abandoning wrecks so my friend can loot them and having some troll come into my mission and shoot them, not even take them. good idea +1 Exactly why this should NOT be put into the game. Sorry , this will be hard , fleet objectives are far more important than trolling other people. Trust me , I'm trolling FC's almost on every fleet. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Jason Amelana Ninja Kitty's The Blood Covenant 10	Posted - 2015.07.28 09:06:58 - [118] - Quote +1 And Life Span Too
Anthar Thebess 1242	Posted - 2015.07.29 08:43:16 - [119] - Quote Lifespan is not so important , usually fight ends sooner than wrecks disappear , even if not there is usually enough new ones. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Ella Echerie The Scope Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2015.07.29 11:45:04 - [120] - Quote This makes sense for several reasons +1

Anthar Thebess 1261	Posted - 2015.07.31 07:50:59 - [121] - Quote Ella Echerie wrote: This makes sense for several reasons +1 What other positive or negative things you see in this change? Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Epsilon Dog Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 0	Posted - 2015.08.07 09:59:55 - [122] - Quote None , do it!
Colonel Mortis Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 7	Posted - 2015.08.27 10:32:09 - [123] - Quote 6 week cycle , can we get this in another patch?
Anthar Thebess 1317	Posted - 2015.10.05 12:52:53 - [124] - Quote Once more unto the breach Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Epsilon Dog Coven Of Witches Inver Brass 0	Posted - 2015.11.02 09:52:21 - [125] - Quote Still remember.
Anthar Thebess 1368	Posted - 2015.11.03 07:47:23 - [126] - Quote If you like this thread please post here to keep it visible. Capital Remote AID Rebalance Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
Anthar Thebess 1406	Posted - 2016.01.26 08:31:55 - [127] - Quote Never Forget Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Lugh Crow-Slave 1474	Posted - 2016.01.26 10:00:38 - [128] - Quote While we are at it can we make them probable? Citadel worm hole tax
Anthar Thebess 1408	Posted - 2016.01.26 11:43:47 - [129] - Quote Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: While we are at it can we make them probable? The same apply to all containers and similar stuff - for sure they need to be harder to probe than ships. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Arya Regnar Darwins Right Hand 875	Posted - 2016.01.26 13:12:40 - [130] - Quote If only you guys knew EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Thron Legacy White Zulu Scorpion Federation 31	Posted - 2016.01.26 15:36:54 - [131] - Quote Anthar Thebess wrote: - more dead freighters some people just want to see the world burn
Anthar Thebess 1409	Posted - 2016.01.27 08:15:35 - [132] - Quote Thron Legacy wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: - more dead freighters some people just want to see the world burn EVE world is designed to burn. Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 13566	Posted - 2016.02.01 13:24:13 - [133] - Quote https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=467351 Not quite as high as you wee hoping for with the largest wrecks, but let us know what you think in the other thread. Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/

Anthar Thebess 1410	Posted - 2016.02.01 14:49:09 - [134] - Quote Bit long reply https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6312643#post6312643 Stop discrimination, help in a fight against terrorists Show your support to The Cause!
Ashla Boga Pro Synergy 45	Posted - 2016.02.01 20:22:32 - [135] - Quote Nyalnara wrote: Anthar Thebess wrote: Currently we will have fleet warp changes inbound and when FC cannot warp fleet , people waping to wrecks are very important thing, that we need to have. Which is exactly why we proposed wreck to need potentially more than one salvager cycle to clear. I'm sorry to say that one cycle salvaging is done because it's a pass/fail mechanic and if they complete in one cycle it's because they have good skills or lots of luck, not because all wrecks just magically are always only one cycle. This would be a sucker punch to real salvagers that do this all the time to just arbitrarily remove the success rate system so the wrecks don't get salvaged as quickly. As far as the OP and wreck EHP, I've got to say for player wrecks especially every size of wreck being insta-pop isn't a great thing currently. I think it would also hurt gankers to make MTU's unable to tractor from a warp gate in a system or immediately off of stations. I understand that 90% of the time that MTU just gets killed by someone with a halfway decent ship who doesn't mind going suspect, but it's pretty frustrating to see a 30 wreck ball of empty wrecks gathered around one after a gank, knowing it's probably just an alt of one of the gankers. Maybe we could make MTUs go suspect if they pull ganker/ganked wrecks in >:) so players aren't penalized for killing it then. Also I think it's freaking RIDICULOUS that you can go to salvage an elite cruiser or battleship wreck and only get 1000 isk worth from it sometimes. If they play with sizes they should play with material drop as well. If it costs 200 m, 500m, 1000m to build it, it shouldn't drop 4 metal scraps alone. Just my two cents. (a) Change the wreck ehps based on size? Yes! (b) Change looting mechanics for MTUs and gankers? Yes! (c) Change base composition of various sized wrecks? Yes! Wrecks are still only going to last 2 hours even if they are bigger after all.
Masao Kurata Perkone Caldari State 318	Posted - 2016.02.02 15:23:05 - [136] - Quote Ashla Boga wrote: Maybe we could make MTUs go suspect if they pull ganker/ganked wrecks in >:) so players aren't penalized for killing it then. Y'know that MTUs already can't tractor (and loot) just any wreck, only those the owner has looting rights to, right?


Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 :: [one page]

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.