You can't broadcast a probe result as a Warp-to now, so it won't be broadcastable after the changes.


1. You can fleet-warp to a fleet member as you can now.
2. You can not fleet-warp to a personal bookmark or probe result. Instead, you can broadcast that bookmark and fleet members can warp themselves. Or a fleet member can warp to the bookmark, then you can fleet-warp to the fleet member.
3. You can't fleet-warp to broadcast bookmarks.

Uh what. I don't understand what you mean with stopping bubbles and slippery petes - They're bubble immune. This change will make them harder to catch(?) and thus making everyone fly them. The only counter to slippery petes are combat probing and landing right ontop of them with scrams. Y'know, the very thing you just made harder.

You could just solve the bombing problem by making them decloak each other again under 2k and put the actual skill back in being a bomber FC and pilot. It would remedy so many of the issues you're trying to solve.

+1 a good compromise - you have effective addressed all: the worm-hole contingent

You are right and wrong.

Yes, Slipper Petes are bubble immune and doing any kind of defensive bubbling or offensive is not helpful.

No, this change does not mean they are unstoppable. You are forgetting that because bombing runs will not be super easy for the casual like now. So that means proper snipping battleships and battle cruisers will be a major threat to Slipper Petes. Petes sport no tank while conventional snipping battleships and battle cruisers do.

Overall this change is very good.

Like Hell it does. Get out of the NPC corp and try spending some time in a wormhole corp before making such an asinine statement.

You are right and wrong.

Yes, Slipper Petes are bubble immune and doing any kind of defensive bubbling or offensive is not helpful.

No, this change does not mean they are unstoppable. You are forgetting that because bombing runs will not be super easy for the casual like now. So that means proper snipping battleships and battle cruisers will be a major threat to Slipper Petes. Petes sport no tank while conventional snipping battleships and battle cruisers do.

Overall this change is very good.

This comment is really over due thanks!

"O wonder!
How many godly doctrines are there here!
How beauteous they are!

O brave new world,
That has such doctrines in it"

Except, of course, that Petes lock battleships and ABCs much faster than Battleships and Attack Battlecruisers lock cruisers with no sig bloom. Lock, volley, warp off. Every time you warp off, the FC is repositioning his cloaky prober by warping off in a different direction, refreshing probes, warping back at 70. Fleet warp from similar direction to the cloaky @70-100, et voila! perfect warp-ins via fleet warp, Petes align, lock, volley, repeat.

Edit to add: also, no, to do a real sniping battlecruiser (ie: an attack battlecruiser), they generally don't have the room for a tank. Too busy mounting tracking computers, sensor boosters, etc.

It's a grey area, and perhaps the balance needs a tweak, but doesn't it just bode well you old sourpuss :)

Except, of course, that Petes lock battleships and ABCs much faster than Battleships and Attack Battlecruisers lock cruisers with no sig bloom. Lock, volley, warp off. Every time you warp off, the FC is repositioning his cloaky prober by warping off in a different direction, refreshing probes, warping back at 70. Fleet warp from similar direction to the cloaky @70-100, et voila! perfect warp-ins via fleet warp, Petes align, lock, volley, repeat.

Edit to add: also, no, to do a real sniping battlecruiser (ie: an attack battlecruiser), they generally don't have the room for a tank. Too busy mounting tracking computers, sensor boosters, etc.

No, it doesn't. They've just done their pass on T3s, and that pass did nothing about Petes. Just like the Ishtar changes don't even slightly address the idea that you just have to leave your drones w/in 70km of the enemy fleet, and then you can fart off to 150km+, (in the other direction!) still table to target, still able to give those drones 220km away from you orders to shoot new targets, etc.

The idea that this does anything about Petes - by making it harder to drop your tackle on top of them - is patently ridiculous. If anything, this magnifies the usefulness of Petes, and pretty solidly establishes them as the only snipers worth using.

So instead of alpha'ing multiple ships before they had to reposition, they can only do one before having to warp. Sounds like they are a less effective doctrine after these changes.

Petes have ZERO tank fit. None. Proper sniper battleships and battlecruisers have at least a damage control. I'll pull some real numbers of EFT tonight, but I suspect you will stab your head in the sand about that as well. Another thing is CCP has already stated that they are at the plate ready to unleash the nerd bat on Petes if they become out of control. Waiting to see if they will be a problem before needing them is a good call.

I don't see why you want to enable more kiting tactics in general here. Fleets in the same system should have a very hard time avoiding each other. Big battles are continuing to produce smaller and smaller body counts because all the kiting doctrines allow it to be so easy to either not engage, or disengage after the fact. It creates boring, one dimensional game play. People want to see big numbers on both sides, and have a fight worth remembering. The toxic range and speed meta is killing this at every level.

Now obviously, no one really has man-mode brawls any more, especially at large scale...because bombs, and because a kiting fleet will decimate a brawling one, especially in the wake of these changes. Brawling is dead in this game period now really, or at the very least a few steps closer to it.

You needed a bandaid to deal with bombing runs, and you prescribed instead a game changing frontal lobotomy which still skirts around actually solving bombers.

Adding more tedium to an already tedious game, where you literally need to work to squeeze the fun out of it, is really only a way to keep masochists subscribed.

To fix this problem I suggest a second change to go along with the fleetwarp nerf. Make Covops able to run a prop mod while cloaked, but make their decloak radius expand by the same percentage (or even more) as their speed is boosted. This would enable FCs to use scouts to get ahead of fleets that didn't change direction occasionally, make wrecks and debris on the battlefield meaningful, and generally make somebody who really understood how to fly their ship in space worth their weight in gold. Instead of "align to thing ---> call targets ---> see hostiles coming, laugh, punch warp" FCs would have to be constantly asking themselves "is anyone sneaking up on me right now?"

As announced: Fleet Commanders, Wing Commanders and Squad Commanders will only be able to fleet-warp to public objects and other fleet members. This means you cannot fleet-warp to the following:

Probe Results
Bookmarks
Mission locations
After feedback and discussion, weGÇÖve done some magic on our code and now a wider range of objects will be broadcastable as a Warp-To:

Mission locations
Bookmarks (newly created bookmarks will have a delay before being broadcastable)
Fleet members
Along with all existing broadcastable items

The delay is unrelated to corporate bookmark propagation delay. We'll tell everyone the delay between creating a bookmark and broadcasting it soon! =)

CCP has now openly stated that they want to specifically nerf/remove the style of EVE play that I use. I fly in a very small gang with many sets of probes and we land on targets with usually single digit seconds to spare. This change will reduce and remove fights that I am currently getting after the change.

1. You can fleet-warp to a fleet member as you can now.
2. You can not fleet-warp to a personal bookmark or probe result. Instead, you can broadcast that bookmark and fleet members can warp themselves. Or a fleet member can warp to the bookmark, then you can fleet-warp to the fleet member.
3. You can't fleet-warp to broadcast bookmarks.