Call up Greyscale sometime if it helps.

Q: 'Opportunities are bad, they've made the NPE much worse'
A: As you know, we did a lot of testing on this system and would not have pushed it out to 100% of new players if it was doing damage. That said, it isn't doing enormously better than the old tutorial and we think there is still lots of room for improvement. We have an iteration plan already in place which we will begin testing within the next couple weeks.

Unallocated skill points are useless without proper counsellings on how to apply them properly. There is literally no difference between the current system of attributes and remaps and freely allocatable skill points if there is no advice and counseling available to the newbies. And that is the part where large parts of the community and CCP fail big time.

You would wind up destroying the game by doing that. Character builds wouldn't matter. Character history wouldn't matter, character trade wouldn't matter. The reputation of a character wouldn't matter.

You'd see Industry alts turn instantly into titan pilots, you'd see miners turn into pew machines. You'd have people complaining how they screwed up their skill remap and beg for another.

That would be the biggest can of worms CCP could ever do. They'd wreck every doctrine, every character and player would be crying how they screwed up their skills, how their training and time investment is now worthless, how their characters definition and life meant nothing.

Swarms of people would max train into the current flavor of the month, and when it gets changed, huge outcry's from people about how CCP nerfed their skill retrain, how CCP trolled them, and that they deserve another or they'll quit.

It basically turns eve into what EQ2 and WOW did. Buy a instant level 90. The entry into eve for all newbies will be "Buy a character off bazaar if you want to play". New Players will feel even more disenfranchised that in order for them to compete on any level, they have to buy a character with a remap.

You want to see Eve die in a ball of fire. Do that.

Implants are the bonus to the game. Not everyone uses them, those who do should have an advantage for being , well, brave. By removing the implants you're going to touch one of the core principles of EVE: risk means isk.

(that is, theoretical core principles. Incursions and lvl 4 missions being better than nullsec ratting are a cancer)

What do do with the +1 through +6 implants (I'm sure someone still has a +6 somewhere).

You have three options.

1) NPC turn in for isk (I'd run it about 5% UNDER the typical market order.
2) LP hand in
3) Reverse Engineer them to create pirate implants or other implants (bpc's for halo, slave, crystal, etc).
4) contest (similar to what you did with the Sleeper Blue loot).
5) Refund (they have a static cost, refund it).

There are options to this.

btw I love the idea of skill points or a jump in that skill as an award for completing missions for the tutorial/career agents. This makes sense, leads to knowledge of what they are being given and how it will be used. Far far better than here is 1 mill skill points newb, knock yourself out. (Because they will, literally)

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Give SP for opportunities, not missions.

Q: 'Attributes aren't very interesting, you should remove them'
A: Again, we agree. Team Size Matters discussed removing them on the o7 show (or some other public venue) awhile back and it's still something we are very interested in. We need to figure out a good way to handle all the learning implants in the game though, which is actually a difficult problem. If any of you have awesome ideas for how to handle it don't hesitate to make suggestions.
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2M starting SP is great. However, it should also come with redemptions. The worst thing is for a newbie to spend his fresh SP and then realize he made a mistake. Maybe allow reallocations for up to 30 days.

I still think it sends a mixed message

Go do this, go do this, go do this, get extra SP for the first few days. Then suddenly when you run out of opportunities to do, you're left with time based training. It might be greatly confusing for a new player, who is already dealing with MMO mechanics like anything out there, to think they are grasping one system, only to find out that is not how it works.

The same could be said if you were to give skills (like injecting) based on completing missions or opportunities.

I think there is enough mechanic differences for a new player coming into EVE that we shouldn't throw one at them, only to have it removed shortly after they start and potentially never see it again.

We need to figure out a good way to handle all the learning implants in the game though, which is actually a difficult problem. If any of you have awesome ideas for how to handle it don't hesitate to make suggestions.

EVE not being simple as (insert name of bullshit you don't care anymore) is the reason im still playing it.

I understand what you are asking and I will modify the support to

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I understand what you are asking and I will modify the support to

Complete career mission or Opportunity
(That was great, you know it would have been a whole lot easier if you had trained high speed maneuvering. I have one a one shot cerebral uploader of that skill if you want to get a jump start on it. After that you will have to modify it via your skill queue. Most skills do not come with the jump starts and you can buy them in the local market)

So the lesson of skills is reinforced along whith a jump start to specific ones they need at the beginning in exchange for doing the mission or opportunity. Would that cover it?

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I understand what you are asking and I will modify the support to

Complete career mission or Opportunity
(That was great, you know it would have been a whole lot easier if you had trained high speed maneuvering. I have one a one shot cerebral uploader of that skill if you want to get a jump start on it. After that you will have to modify it via your skill queue. Most skills do not come with the jump starts and you can buy them in the local market)

So the lesson of skills is reinforced along whith a jump start to specific ones they need at the beginning in exchange for doing the mission or opportunity. Would that cover it?

m

I'd be interested in seeing a couple of million unallocated SP assigned to a character when it joins a player run corporation for the first time. It would be a significant lure and more importantly, it would help give players a home with other people, who could (hopefully) advise how to allocate those SP depending on what they want to do... for example, indy skills would be different from combat skills.