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Sir Erighan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 13:29:00 - [1] Hello everyone! Thanks for the smooth update CCP. Revelations FTW! High Slots 200mm Prototype Rail Gun 200mm Prototype Rail Gun 200mm Prototype Rail Gun 200mm Prototype Rail Gun Drone Link Augmenter Tractor Beam Med Slots 10MN Afterburner II Web (best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) Low Slots Medium Armor Rep II Medium Armor Rep II EANM II EANM II Active Thermal Hardener II Active Kinetic Hardener II Drones 5x Rat Specific Heavy II or 3x Heavy II & 5 Medium II This should be pretty solid for any lvl 3 mission and some lvl 4s. I havenÆt tested it, so not sure how well it works. You can switch out the EANMs and replace them with additional active hardeners, but I prefer to have the additional % to EM and Explosive resists (personal preference)
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.29 13:39:00 - [2] Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 29/11/2006 13:39:14 not cheched since now, but: 1) if u fit 5 light drones u dont need the webber. IMHO it's worthwaste 25M3 drone bay to be able to kill all frigs and cruisers ( with ship bonus, the light drones T2 kill npc cruisers, just fine). 2) why hybryd weapons? u have not bonus un hybrys dammage, so use projectiles. No cap usage & easier to fit. imho it's better have 5 light drones and 4 havies.
Sir Erighan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 13:46:00 - [3] 1. Most the time heavy drones don't have problems killing NPC frigs. The only problem with heavies is you don't have any replacements, so you need to make sure none of them get killed. 2. I'm using hybrids because that's what I have my skills in. It's not like they're using that much cap anyway.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 13:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Heelay Ashrum Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 29/11/2006 13:39:14 not cheched since now, but: 1) if u fit 5 light drones u dont need the webber. IMHO it's worthwaste 25M3 drone bay to be able to kill all frigs and cruisers ( with ship bonus, the light drones T2 kill npc cruisers, just fine). 2) why hybryd weapons? u have not bonus un hybrys dammage, so use projectiles. No cap usage & easier to fit. imho it's better have 5 light drones and 4 havies. Let's see.... probably the same reason I don't: Medium hybrid turrets lvl5, both medium hybrid turret specialization skills lvl 5 Medium projectile turrets NOT BOUGHT, both medium projectile turret specialization skills SEE medium projectile turrest!
Darknar	Posted - 2006.11.29 13:56:00 - [5] gallente players generally have better hybrid skills. however i do agree that autocannons or artillary might be quite a funky option for this ship.
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:05:00 - [6] Edited by: Sir Howard on 29/11/2006 14:06:22 Edited by: Sir Howard on 29/11/2006 14:05:44 Yep, I'm definitly looking foward to getting in this ship. Although the thought of using projectiles never crossed my mind. And with all those mid slots you could even throw in some remote dampeners for pvp. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Sir Erighan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:16:00 - [7] Originally by: Sir Howard Edited by: Sir Howard on 29/11/2006 14:06:22 Edited by: Sir Howard on 29/11/2006 14:05:44 Yep, I'm definitly looking foward to getting in this ship. Although the thought of using projectiles never crossed my mind. And with all those mid slots you could even throw in some remote dampeners for pvp. Yeah, for PvP I would drop the rails and replace with blasters. The drone link and tractor would be replaced with med nos. The 3 CRs would be replaced with 1 WCS and 2 remote dampeners. The lows would be 1 MAR II, 2 EANM II, 2 MFS and maybe a damage control. I just love the slot layout on this ship. Many, many different setup options.
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Sir Erighan Yeah, for PvP I would drop the rails and replace with blasters. The drone link and tractor would be replaced with med nos. The 3 CRs would be replaced with 1 WCS and 2 remote dampeners. The lows would be 1 MAR II, 2 EANM II, 2 MFS and maybe a damage control. I just love the slot layout on this ship. Many, many different setup options. Nice..but I think it would be cool to go for the long range with those Dampeners. Maybe throw on some howitzers like someone above mentioned. Then keep that drone link aug., sit back at the howitsers optimom range with the dampeners going and the drones punding away. Would be a nice setup, untill someone got close that is lol "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Sir Erighan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.29 14:37:00 - [9] Yup, you can use dampeners that way. I was doing a 180 and thinking of using them for other reasons. I like forcing the enemy closer so I can use my blasters. Also, the dampeners help increase the targeting time it takes the enemy to lock you AND your drones. I completely forgot about rigs. How would rigs change the build for missions/ratting? Would you add damage mods, PG mods and fit larger guns, etc.
Kruel Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.11.29 15:24:00 - [10] Edited by: Kruel on 29/11/2006 15:24:29 Sentries and a couple drone tracking mods might be fun... for PVE that is.
Sir Howard Gallente Infinity Aeronautics EntroPraetorian Aegis	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:23:00 - [11] Good news is it will only take me a day to train up to get me one of these things.....now quick someone give me a bpc lol. I heard from some poeple last night that were on much longer than me after Rev went live that later on some of the new Tier 2 BC's went out for sale but for like 70 million...ouch But ya due to the well round slots on this ship, I can see their being alota different setups out there. "This is a bad idea wrapped in a horrible plan and shipped in a retarded box"
Jaxtet Gallente	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:42:00 - [12] Actually, the ships I saw on the market this morning...the Myrm was 83 million ISK. Glad me and a friend went in on a BPO when the server went live. - It's great to have a life outside of a video game, ain't it?«
Mlada Partizanka	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:53:00 - [13] new drake was 125m a few minutes ago :D nice to know i can start a new char and fly any of the new bcs in a day. or not :(
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.11.29 16:59:00 - [14] lol. 125mil for a nerfed ship. Thats funny. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
Jin Jemai Caldari Nightgliders	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:18:00 - [15] So, I just picked up one of these beauties for far too much ISK, and I'm having a hell of a time choosing what to go with for the high slots. There's just so many options available. I could go with a full wrack of medium NOS' bar 1 slot for a Drone link, but the extra damage from some turrets would be great for grinding out missions, but then there's the matter of which turrets compliment the drones the best. Too many bloody choices ----- Im in ur Chicago wearing dresses at night.
Benglada Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.30 04:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Sir Erighan Hello everyone! Thanks for the smooth update CCP. Revelations FTW! Med Slots Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) You could buy a domi with that much isk. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Cheese999 Minmatar Spitefully Targeting Foolishly Underskilled The SUdden Death Squad	Posted - 2006.11.30 05:22:00 - [17] You can buy a Domi for the current Myrm price anyway. ----- There is no Spoon Minmatar: Bending over for Tux since RmR
Jaxtony	Posted - 2006.11.30 06:29:00 - [18] This ship is missions on easy mode...the gallente ferox lol It's great to be human, ain't it?
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.30 08:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Sir Erighan 1. Most the time heavy drones don't have problems killing NPC frigs. There are some exceptions. I have hi drone skills but still medium ( not hravy: medium) drones have problems to kill some frigs. For example the "serpentis veteran", but there are other examples. If even medium T2 rones cant hit them, i'm all for lights, expecially becaure those frigs are exactly who web/scramle u. in any case... everyone have hs priority.
Eirin Bareth	Posted - 2006.11.30 10:55:00 - [20] Tested this setup on lvl 3 rogue drones yesterday, haven't tested it more yet. Highs: 5x250mm rails (need Electronics IV for the last rail, training atm) Drone link Enhancer Meds: AB Web Target painter 2xcap recharger Lows: Medium repper DC 4 hardeners of choice, perhaps a combination of passive and active, needs more testing Truth be told, the drones never reached my armour, so I don't know how well it runs cap wise. I put in 5 heavies just to try them, but for lvl 3s I might choose 10 meds and 5 lights instead. I use a dedicated loot ship, so don't bother with tractor on the mission runner. I have skills in hybrids, so that is what I fit. Btw, why do people always mention t2 equipment or the name of the module? I assume people will always fit the best they can afford/have the skills for, so why bother? Unless of course a specific module is needed to be able to fit it...
Sir Erighan Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.11.30 11:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Benglada Originally by: Sir Erighan Hello everyone! Thanks for the smooth update CCP. Revelations FTW! Med Slots Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) Cap Recharger (II or best named) You could buy a domi with that much isk. As someone already mentioned...these Tier 2 BC are going to cost just as much as most Tier 1 BS, at least for quite some time. And this ship is so much cooler looking than the Domi I wouldn't spend this much on my pvp ships, but for NPC killing, I like to go overboard
Heelay Ashrum Caldari Santhe Sienar Technologies	Posted - 2006.11.30 14:53:00 - [22] Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 30/11/2006 14:54:01 Originally by: Eirin Bareth Btw, why do people always mention t2 equipment or the name of the module? I assume people will always fit the best they can afford/have the skills for, so why bother? Unless of course a specific module is needed to be able to fit it... T2 equipment have higher requirements, so often u simply cant'fit them. Sometimes u have to drop t2 items in favout of "best named" ( t1 requirement). Giving T2 setup means that this ship can be fitted ( ovbiusly if u have skill to use them).
Eirin Bareth	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:34:00 - [23] Originally by: Heelay Ashrum Edited by: Heelay Ashrum on 30/11/2006 14:54:01 Originally by: Eirin Bareth Btw, why do people always mention t2 equipment or the name of the module? I assume people will always fit the best they can afford/have the skills for, so why bother? Unless of course a specific module is needed to be able to fit it... T2 equipment have higher requirements, so often u simply cant'fit them. Sometimes u have to drop t2 items in favout of "best named" ( t1 requirement). Giving T2 setup means that this ship can be fitted ( ovbiusly if u have skill to use them). Yeah, ok, I see that Btw, I also found out that since 250mm Prototype I Gauss guns have quite lower cpu need than even the 250mm Compressed Coil Gun, this setup works, even with only electronics lvl 3 and weapons upgrade lvl 2: Highs: 5x250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun Drone link Enhancer Meds: AB Web Target painter 2xcap recharger Lows: Medium repper DC 4 hardeners of choice, active or passive
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.11.30 20:36:00 - [24] it depends on the npcs u hunt which guns it would be best to use, personally id hunt sanshas or blood raiders and use lasers since then u are 100% self reliant no ammo needs which is kinda uber , go deep and search for rare spawns 4tw ;)
SunTzuRaven Gallente	Posted - 2006.12.01 00:03:00 - [25] Highs 4 425ACs, 2 Med Nos Meds 1 AB, 1 Webber, 3 Cap Rechargers Lows 2 med reps, 2 EAN II, 2 specific hardeners With the nos going you can run both reps for about forever, and the guns don't eat up your cap. Rather not use cap then not carry ammo to be honest. ________________________________________ <("<) <('')> (>")>
Eirin Bareth	Posted - 2006.12.01 12:23:00 - [26] I've found that with warp to 0, and because I mainly rely on the drones, there is actually little need for the AB. I currently test a setup where the AB is replaced by a medium cap battery, together with 2 rechargers. Can run all modules virtually forever with that...
Motoko 1982 Gallente Gentilitas Canis Venatici	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:33:00 - [27] I am currently flying this dream of a boat with the following setup: High: 5x 250mm proto gauss 1x Drone link Mid: All cap rechargers Low: 2x MAR's 1x Power coil (-shield, +cap rech) 3x Rat specific hardeners Works out very well on missions, and can run everything for quite some time. I ALWAYS load up 3 heavies and 5 medium. The mediums tear through any frigate with ease, and the heavies are excellent for big guys. I love the drone damage bonus. Though, reading here, I might indeed lose some guns for nosses, and replace my rechargers for something more interesting, like an afterburner. I'm not going to fit a web, since I don't need it. When I can't hit, my drones do a very decent job (BC skill 4, interfacing 4). I just bash the big guys, then take in the heavies and throw out 5 mediums and just wait a while to enjoy the fireworks. Maybe some ecm will be nice, but I can't use any of that stuff with my 5m skillpoints... Yet :) Anyhow, you will never ever be dissappointed in this extremely versatile ship. Endless options, and good with drones. What more could one wish for? :)
Zin Rathbone	Posted - 2006.12.21 00:47:00 - [28] My mission Myrmidon, 5 250m rails, spend for goods ones as desired. 1 Drone Link Augmentor 1 AB 4 Cap Rechargers 1 MARII 2 Active Armor Hardeners 1 Dammage Control 1 Magnetic Stab (or whatever the rail dammage mod is called) Last slot either another Active Hardener if i need a thrid resist, or a EANM if the rats just do two dammage types. 5 light and 4 heavy drones, rat specific. With good cap skills and a good BC skill for the Armor repairer bonus this tanks like a mad fiend and never runs out of cap. Did the Blockade in it the other day. The first wave made me a bit nervous, the others never made significant progess against my armor. Fun to fly as well.
Slimo	Posted - 2006.12.21 02:35:00 - [29] Edited by: Slimo on 21/12/2006 02:36:00 Ok here's my ratting fit, i'm at work so can't remember specific names but you can assume best mod that i have skills for: 5x720mm t2 artils 1xsalvager 10mwd, med shield booster t2, 2xcap rechargers, target painter 2xt2 reactor control units 2x eanm's and med armour rep and a stabiliser that gives me an extra 10% rate of fire I forget the name also a mix of light & med. drones (currently training for t2's) I very rarely get below my shields on this and if I do I never go very far into my armor. My max hit is in the 800's and I very rarely miss! Fly Safe Slimo Currently recuiting see my bio for details
Zeros Omega Caldari Raddick Explorations	Posted - 2006.12.23 20:45:00 - [30] with good cap skills you can get away with with Highs - tractors & slavagers & drone links, probably want 3 t2 small guns here to take care of frigates and small ships Mids - 100mn AB2, Cap Rechagers (f-b10 or better) Lows - MAR2, 4 t2 hardeners, CPR runs forever... with BC4/5 it can tank anything it needs to
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:01:00 - [31] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 06/01/2007 11:00:46 Originally by: Rivian Ivantis Stupid question. Whats best for level 4 missions, if I want to choose between a Myrmidon and a Megathron? CAN a Myrmidon do level 4 missions? I am a BC freak with lots of l4 solo experience. The only weak point is: needs more time compared to a BS but you will have loads of thrilling fun especially when you use some 20-50 Million fittings ;-) I did most l4's in a Brutix with 8.5 Million SP. The Myrmidon is making l4 run easier. With a specific Hardener / Repper Setup for the mish you have to run it's some kind of t1 BC supertank. Skills rules! My actual setup [l4 prooved - also harder ones solo]: 5x 250mm Proto's [Antimatter (close) / Plutoium (mid) / Iron (long range)] 1x Drone Link Augmentor [engage at 60km] ABII // 3x Cap Recharger II // Fleeting Prop Inhib [90% webbing] 'Meditation' Medium Armor Repper [ROCKS!!!] // Hardener II Setup adjusted for specific mish 5x Heavy Drones [no t2 yet - the t1 with actual skills eat BS with ease due BC Level 4] As I said: l4 run in my Brutix was possible if you work out special mid/low combat tactics and staying mostly in save distance first to prevent too much heavy agro and dps. With the Myrmidon l4 run is a new experience. This ship tanks even hard DPS. The Meditation Repper is a must for that. My major tactics are: pulling a spawn at 60km and sending out Drones to intercept the first wave. Then I go on close combat by ABII and take out the rest with Proto Antimatter fire and Webber Support. I am looking forward to t2 Heavies. Even the t1's are strong to eat the big BS in a good schedule. BC bonus rules. With double t2 Hardeners and passive t2 Hardeners combinations I can balance the Therm/Kin resistance between 80% and 93%. The repper cycle and HP repair is perfect. With this experience I am able to camp the not too brutal DPS l4's. Mordus Head****** is also possible when staying in action all the time. I can just recommend the Myrmidon. It's a strong Manga-style, cool looking, agile and flexible mish runner in the hands of a wise and fearless pilot. Looking forward to Armor Rigs!!! Fly strong skilled and may your DNA be with you! Presidente Gallente
Elfman Obsidian Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:07:00 - [32] Been running lvl 4 missions in a myr and apart from when I just got*****y was havnt a easyish time. was running tight on time with wife nagging me re house work so on last level of pirate "something" I agroed the whole area. /me walks of to buy another myr. PS with drones been doing the 4 hvy 5 light and using 5 tech2 200 hybrids. going to go build some nano pumps think I will be able to agro the whole complex and still live then ;) Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Killboard
Valerio Versace Gallente Crystal Ship	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:19:00 - [33] Edited by: Valerio Versace on 06/01/2007 11:16:18 Originally by: Zeros Omega with good cap skills you can get away with with Highs - tractors & slavagers & drone links, probably want 3 t2 small guns here to take care of frigates and small ships Mids - 100mn AB2, Cap Rechagers (f-b10 or better) Lows - MAR2, 4 t2 hardeners, CPR runs forever... with BC4/5 it can tank anything it needs to This looks surprisingly cool, and I found out that even I could run everything forever on that setup with my skills (still can't afford a Myrmidon or all of the T2 equipment you mentioned though). It looks cool especially because I hate wandering around at slug speeds to loot everything, it uses almost no ammo and looks like it could tank a lot of DPS. How's the top speed with a 100mn AB2? How bad is the mass addition? Could you post a comparative analysis of the benefits of a 100mn AB compared to a 10mn AB? Thanks for your information.
Felix Kani	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:14:00 - [34] I have a slightly different build. I use 6 artillery pieces, 2 each set for optimals of 10km/25km/35km. AB and 2 cap recharge II's but I also use an Omni tracking link and a regular tracking link. The lows are a MAR II and a combo of hardeners and membranes for an overall even tank. I use 3 curator sentries and 5 mission specific t2 mediums. This works very well in lvl 3 missions and with more t2 skills and if I bothered to tailor my tank for missions, I could push into level 4's I think. I'm waiting for CCP to reverse the last drone lobotomy before I try that. the t2 meds have no problems with any of the rat frigs, even the tacklers. I'll swap out the tracking link when cap becomes an issue. I'll keep using sentries as long as rats keep flying in straight lines but as long as my heavy drones keep behaving like Cranked up Corgis , I'll stick to lvl 3's with the Myrmidon. I love this ship.
Zarthax Mandatori Gallente Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.22 08:03:00 - [35] Level 3 Missions: High: 4 Heavy Neutron Blaster I 1 E50 Prototype Energy Vampire 1 Drone Link Augmentor I Mid: Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 2 Eutectic I Capacitor Charge Array 1 F-B10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator Low: 1 Medium Armour Repair II 1 Emergency Damage Control I 1 N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane 1 'Collateral' Adaptive Nanoplating I N-Type Thermic Hardener I Armour EM Hardener II Drones: 4 Heavies (type depends on mission) (* Tank setup depends on the mission) When doing missions with alot of drones, i switch to 3-4 smartbombs, and loose the dronelink and the NOS. Agress everything, and let it come close (within 4000 meters). Activate smartbombs, and voila, mission done. Not seen the drones get thru my shields yet This setup can run the repper almost forerver, and it has no problem handling the level 3 Angel extravaganze mission. (exept the bonus room - Auch...) The blasters are there to take out anything close to my ship, while the drones take out larger ships, further out. Pretty much what i have to contribute with...
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Rivian Ivantis Stupid question. Whats best for level 4 missions, if I want to choose between a Myrmidon and a Megathron? CAN a Myrmidon do level 4 missions? I've been running lvl4s in a Myrmidon. Here's my setup: 6x 150s ab, web, 2x cap rechargers, cap booster 2x mar, 4x hardeners 5x ogres Everything's tech2 except for the drones. Don't waste tech2 drones on missions. I've lost quite a few ogres since the NPCs switch targets occasionally. OgreIs are only 50k.
HARDTARGET	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:58:00 - [37] Lads yer got to think Gallente for missions lev 3( shes a good ship) better than the brut buy far(got more speed and alot more tank). i cant see many doing a hard level 4 in a bc i dont care what yer say so give the new lads ago and dont make em think its easy cause its not. As far as using a bs well there just slow cause yer cant get to the loot fast( salvage is such a pain but its worth it ) so you can get the mission done and get a new one going. So i set like this. high - 200mm and 1 x salvage fit a couple of 250 on if yer can to get into the rats early and swap the ammo as they get close. ammo - iridium for longish and trusty em for close. but dont waist yer ammo ( drones are where its at) ) on a longer lev3 mission carry about 1000 of both to be safe . mids WEB is fine case it makes yer drones and guns hurt the rats better. 3 cap chargers ( or 2 and a med capacitor) Afterburner ( yer cant use a mwd in dead space)and the speed will do to get away from bigger rats) Lows - gall missions get alot of caldari missions so as a rule fit a kinetic 32%, thermal 32%, explosive 32% med rep t2 if yer can well yer should be able if yer in the dam ship and a (800 plate) or a magenetic field stabalizer the mag stab is good for damage and with this set up with avergae cap skills should keep yer in the fight. Way to think is if yer med rep cant rep the damage out yer should be looking for the EXIT. Now drones i use t2 meds all the time there not to slow and will kill anything that comes at yer fast i use gall drones but an em in the mix would do ok imo just to kill the shields faster. Your drones are your life so look after them get the agro get targeted and when the targets get to about 30 km let em out sit back and watch the show. If you see ones getting hit( you will have yer drones in space open ) call him back he will rep instant shields and then shove him back out. Yer drones do all the work and will out fight any guns yer can find so train drones till it hurts. Some of this some may say yer i know but some dont so there yer go . 3 things go fast use drones and tank
Vinda Loo	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:56:00 - [38] This is what i use for low sec ratting. Highs 4 x 650mm medium artillery 1 x drone link 1 x salvager Mids 1 x 10mn mwd 1 x tracking computer 2 x sensor array inhibitor 1 x medium cap booster Lows 2 x MAR II's 1 x DC 1 x tracking enhancer 2 x passive resists Drones 3 x heavys 5 x mediums
G0rF Gallente The Causality Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.02.09 11:52:00 - [39] I'm currently missioning with: High Slots: 200mm Prototype Gauss Gun x 5 Drone Link Augmentation Medium Slots: Y-S8 Afterburner Drone Navigation Computer Fixed Parallel Link Capacitor Recharger x 3 Low Slots: Medium Armour Repairer II 800mm Steel Plates II Energised Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energised Magnetic Membrane II Energised Thermic Membrane II Energised Reactive Membrane II Bay: Berserker I x 2 Ogre I x 2 Wasp I x 1 Solid Level 3 mission ship. The T1 drones have serious trouble breaking the tank on Level 4 mission warp-scrambler-drones though. Maybe this is because of my skills (only 2mil SPs in drones, concentrating on gunnery ATM:)) The Causality international MMO gamers' community
Miranda Ceres	Posted - 2007.02.11 00:31:00 - [40] Drop the plate, the myr has enough HP tbh. Go with another armor repairer. I'd be tempted to go with 2 MAR IIs and 4 rat specific hardeners... (i.e. 2 x active kin and 2 x active therm) Nano pumps aren't that much to be honest, and sticking two plus a cap rig would be very very nice. I think it might even be possible for the myr to keep 3 MARII's going with nos up top and cap rechargers in mids... I think you're looking at 1800 armour every 9 seconds with 3 nano pump rigs.
Singularity XX Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.08 07:50:00 - [41] Hi: Drone Link Augmentor I Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I [1xMultifrequency M] Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I [1xMultifrequency M] Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I [1xMultifrequency M] Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I [1xMultifrequency M] Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I [1xMultifrequency M] Med: 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator -- hehe didn't wanna go back 2 empire to buy another t2 will be substituted with the 18% one (can't remember the name) as soon as one becomes available. Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Armor Thermic Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Praetor I Praetor I Praetor I Praetor I Praetor I 4687 shield, 11.72/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/19/39/59 5860 armor, E/T/K/Ex=67/77/77/83 3234.375 cap, +50.76/s, -40.854/s 367.0 m/s This particular myrmidon setup is tailored for drones and very much made to be ammo-less ratting. Basically warp in the belt turn AB on orbit @ 9km turn on guns on agro launch drones and wait. Pros: With good skills it can run the AB, guns, MAR non-stop. Does not use ammo. God damn it, it hurts. Qfit calculates @ about 220 dps with my crappy skills (drone interfacing 3 bc 4 heavy drones 1 medium lasers 3 surgical strike 3) in contrast to my raven same crapy-ish skills 150 dps with 2 bcu t2s. Cons: It costs as much as a t2 fitted raven. You need an alt. I have one setup to salvage/loot all my cans. --- Minmatar have sunglasses and are, to quote a very famous Matar, "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi" -- Axitikus "You think they NPC with nanos on?" -- Scooter1
Teadrinker	Posted - 2007.03.08 19:48:00 - [42] I come humbly asking advice. I've been running Level 3 missions in my beloved Myrmidon ("Plausible Denial") for a while with great success. In many cases, the NPCs didn't even get through my shields. Then the other night, disaster struck in the form of a Blockade mission. I think I made a mistake early on, because I got a "pirate reinforcements have arrived" message almost immediately; perhaps I killed the ship that triggers the next wave? In any case, I found myself in a hailstorm of missiles--they were hitting me nonstop, and my armor was going down rapidly. I warped out, repped and went back in. Same story--I could kill maybe 2-3 ships before I had to run, even though I was running the repper constantly, and never ran out of cap charges. In the end, my poor ship was turned into scrap. (The lag incurred when everything in the room targeteted me simultaneously meant that I couldn't even start to do anything--like turn on my reppers--before my armor was a 50%. Here's the setup I started out with: High slots: 5 x 250 MM railguns, Iridium ammo (couldn't figure out what I wanted in the sixth slot, and didn't have enough power to run a sixth gun). Medium: 1 x Target painter, 1 x webber (for slowing down those nasty frigs that get too close), 1 x cap recharger (I think that's the right name for it--feeds charges to the cap) with size 800 charges, 1 x 10 MN Afterburner II, and one of those aiming devices that increases performance of hybrids. Low: 1 x Emergency Damage Control, 2 active "Type N" hardeners (type depends on enemies), Med repper II, some gizmo to increase firing rate and damage of my rails, and a Reactor Control II (+15% Energy grid to run all this stuff). After the first few tries, I started playing around with my low slot configuration. I added a second tech II repper and got rid of the gunnery enhancer. I lasted a bit longer, but not long enough. Again, the problem was that the missiles were simply eating my armor faster than I could rep it. Truly desperate, I got a third armor repper II, and removed the damage control. Back to the fray...for the last time. Maybe if the lag hadn't happened, three reppers would have made a difference...but somehow, I doubt it. I am now fitting out the Plausible Denial II. I'm thinking of doubling up on the active hardeners, and am trying to decide whether to install 1 or 2 reppers. From what I've read in this forum, I think I'm going to fit a drone link in the 6th high slot. I have to be careful with energy--I'm running really close to the limit, even with the 15% enhancement from the reactor control. CPU is no problem--I still have a third of it left. Aside from soliciting general advice, I have a couple of specific questions. First, about drones: I've been using medium tech I drones (mostly Hammerheads), though I have the skill for tech II. I just can't justify the expense of those babies. Should I reconsider, and spring for the tech II versions? And what about "sentry drones"? How are they different from other drones? Should I be using sentries? Second, lots of people seem to be filling their medium slots with cap rechargers. Are these the ones that consume charges, or do they just enhance cap recharge time? As I said, I have no problem running out of cap--when I pop in one of those 800s, my cap instantly goes up by a bout a third. Am I missing something here? Third, could someone please tell me what "EANM" means? Thank you for your patience.
Singularity XX Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.08 20:23:00 - [43] Edited by: Singularity XX on 08/03/2007 20:21:16 EANM == energized adaptive nano membrane -- under energized plating First off I think you're missing a hardener. Rats have 2 damage types (normally unless you're fighting angels or drones which do about everything) primary (2 hardeners) and secondary 1 hardener. So that should be the least amount of hardeners. I've learned that resistances > HP/s. Try 200mm rails if you can't fit em quite yet. Heavy drones and BC 4 should do it. Myrmidon Drone Link Augmentor I 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I 200mm Compressed Coil Gun I 10MN Afterburner II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I [1xCap Booster 800] X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator Medium Armor Repairer II -- with BC 4 repair systems 5 u're getting 92 hp/s Medium Armor Repairer II N-Type Magnetic Membrane I -- whatever the damage types are. N-Type Reactive Membrane I N-Type Reflective Membrane I Empty Slot -- with this you could go with CPR (capacitor power relay), dcu (damage control) or eanm or even 4th hardener. If you can't fit the stuff above however, fit an RCU. Above fits with AWU 4 (advanced weapon upgrades) Drones: Wasp I Wasp I Wasp I Wasp I Wasp I 4687 shield, 11.72/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/19/39/59 5860 armor, E/T/K/Ex=72/35/59/45 3375.0 cap, +21.47/s, -47.88/s 367.0 m/s Give it a shot. --- Minmatar have sunglasses and are, to quote a very famous Matar, "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi" -- Axitikus "You think they NPC with nanos on?" -- Scooter1
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Kruel 6x 150s ab, web, 2x cap rechargers, cap booster 2x mar, 4x hardeners 5x ogres I've revised my setup a bit... 5x 150sIIs, drone link abII, 14k faction web, 3x cap IIs corpum a-type, npc-specific tech2 hardeners/eanms. tech2 heavies (ogres or berzerkers) 3x armor amount rigs It's working great, but a passive shield setup would probably still be better. I just can't be bothered to train shield skills atm.
Singularity XX Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.08 21:42:00 - [45] Quote: 3x armor amount rigs Armor amount rigs are kinda useless for pve. Try either cap rigs to keep 2 armor reps goin or the rigs to make armor repairers faster. --- Minmatar have sunglasses and are, to quote a very famous Matar, "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi" -- Axitikus "You think they NPC with nanos on?" -- Scooter1
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.03.08 22:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Singularity XX Quote: 3x armor amount rigs Armor amount rigs are kinda useless for pve. Try either cap rigs to keep 2 armor reps goin or the rigs to make armor repairers faster. Lets run some numbers shall we? Considering BC5 is trained.... 2x MAR II with cap rigs = 880hp/cycle 1x corpum-a with armor amount rigs = 979hp/cycle The single faction rep doesn't need cap rigs to run permanently, so armor amount rigs can be used. It also frees up another low slot for more resists. Then again 2x corpum-a's would be even better. With a few cap rigs to sustain that'd be 1287hp/cycle. That's another 260mil though.
Singularity XX Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.09 01:16:00 - [47] Edited by: Singularity XX on 09/03/2007 01:13:35 Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Singularity XX Quote: 3x armor amount rigs Armor amount rigs are kinda useless for pve. Try either cap rigs to keep 2 armor reps goin or the rigs to make armor repairers faster. Lets run some numbers shall we? Considering BC5 is trained.... 2x MAR II with cap rigs = 880hp/cycle 1x corpum-a with armor amount rigs = 979hp/cycle The single faction rep doesn't need cap rigs to run permanently, so armor amount rigs can be used. It also frees up another low slot for more resists. Then again 2x corpum-a's would be even better. With a few cap rigs to sustain that'd be 1287hp/cycle. That's another 260mil though. But mine are apples and yours are oranges. Pear shaped @ that too. I was comparing rigs with the same armor repairers, not faction gear. Why would you want to buy modules that cost more then the ship... which is already overpriced due to rigs. Edit: hmmm did you mean armor amount repaired or armor HP amount? are there even armor HP amount rigs? doh heh --- Minmatar have sunglasses and are, to quote a very famous Matar, "like going down a flight of stairs in a office chair firing an Uzi" -- Axitikus "You think they NPC with nanos on?" -- Scooter1
Bleyys Corey	Posted - 2007.03.10 02:29:00 - [48] The uber-tank, I haven't had a chance to test this as I don't have ~2bil isk to drop on it but..... Highs: 4x 425mm Scout Autocannons 1x Small Tractor Beam 1x Salvager I If you have a dedicated loot ship, run with 6 autos. Meds: 1x 10mn AB II 4x Cap Recharger II Lows: 2x Centum/Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer 2x Centus X-Type Hardeners for the primary damage type you'll be tanking 1x Centus X-Type Hardener for the Secondary Damage type (I.e. therm on sansha, kin on serp) 1x CPR II In the Rig Slots: 1x Capacitor Control Circuit 2x Auxiliary Nano Pump II For a completely stable cap, one of the higher-end officer CPRs should be used in conjunction with one officer cap recharger and 2 t2 cap rechargers. As it is, with just the CPR II/Cap Recharger II, it can hold its tank for 8-9 Minutes if you're not running the AB. I'm also aware that this isn't an entirely practical setup, as its rather expensive....coming up with this was mainly a project of mine to find the best theoretical PvE tank for the myrmidon. This is, in my opinion, it. Considering what some people spend on CNRs to run lvl 4 missions, i think this may be justified as a cheaper alternative. Tanked for EM/Therm it gets 93.61% EM resists on armor and 76.6% thermal. Kin therm tank: 89.xx% kin, 76.6% therm etc..... And with BC V/Repair Systems V, each of the MARs repairs 926.64 damage/cycle, and a 9 second cycle.
Inir Ishtori The Guardian Agency Guardian Federation	Posted - 2007.03.10 22:39:00 - [49] Edited by: Inir Ishtori on 10/03/2007 22:36:41 Edited by: Inir Ishtori on 10/03/2007 22:36:13 Originally by: Teadrinker Then the other night, disaster struck in the form of a Blockade mission. I think I made a mistake early on, because I got a "pirate reinforcements have arrived" message almost immediately; perhaps I killed the ship that triggers the next wave? warp as close to the first spawn as you can. start killing ships but leave one of every kind alive at first. then kill the most dangerous one and the new wave should appear at about 80-100 km away from you. do the same again and again and again. that way you wont be swarmed by a bazillion of ships at the same time.
Otokogami	Posted - 2007.03.19 01:01:00 - [50] This is the setup I was thinking of, with mu current skills: High: Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges Med: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Microwarp Drive I Empty (cant figure what to put here ) Low: Medium Armor Repairer I Medium Armor Repairer I Power Diagnostic System I Emergency Damage Control I Mark I Generator Refitting: Diagnostic System Gauss Field Balancer I Drones: Praetor I Praetor I Praetor I Ogre I Ogre I With this I'm hopeing to do missions and ratting, any advice on where to improve?
Rolf Rabiat Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.19 04:17:00 - [51] HI: 4x 250mm rails 1x tractor beam 1x salvager MID: AB TP 3x cap rechargers LOW: 2x kin hardeners therm hardener MAR2 mag stab This is what i use for ratting guristas in 0.0. I can loot and salvage as i go along. Never run out of cap and 1 MAR2 can keep up with 3 BS in the 1,5mill isk area with 3 hardeners. Since its guristas i have 5 wasp in my drone bay. They can kill every frig i meet (TP helps here as well).
Summer Day	Posted - 2007.03.29 14:24:00 - [52] Hello I am new to the game, only 17 days old and i just bought a Myrmidon yesterday. I mostly use it for missions and ratting. This is how i set it up, tell me what you think : High Slots : Drone Link Augmentor I 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun Medium Slots : X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I Low Slots : Gauss Field Balancer I Internal Force Field Array I Medium Automated I Carapace Restoration N-Type Adaptive Nano Membrane I N-Type EM Hardener I N-Type Thermic Hardener I Drones : 5x Hammerhead I 3x Ogre I
Kazuo Ishiguro	Posted - 2007.04.08 14:40:00 - [53] I'm considering trying out a sentry drone sniping setup for missions: Myrmidon Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Small Tractor Beam I 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II 125mm Railgun II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Omnidirectional Tracking Link I 10MN Afterburner II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Medium Armor Repairer II Internal Force Field Array I 2x Capacitor Power Relay II Energized Magnetic Membrane II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Rigs: Sentry Damage Augmentor I Auxiliary Nano Pump I Drone Control Range Augmentor I 5x Warden I The setup is very tight on CPU - it needs Electronics V, Drones Rigging IV and Weapon Upgrades IV. There's a lot of grid left over; enough to fit a 1600mm plate or a second rep if necessary. Sentries can only hit targets within your drone control range, and the drone control rig helps with that; the Drone Link Augmentors take up 50tf each. Wardens can hit out to almost 100km with this setup, enough for most missions. Their guns have a sig radius of 400m, so the painter helps with closer ships and is also useful for drawing aggro at long ranges. The AB and tractor beam are essential time savers and I seldom do missions without them. A possible tactic with this setup would be to draw aggro from everything, deploy the sentries, and orbit them at ~60km or so while they get on with the actual work. The 125mm rails are fairly versatile and can be used to kill off anything that catches up. ------ Top speed calculation spreadsheet - updated for the recent speed nerf Army of doom headcount: 26,045
Talidos	Posted - 2007.04.08 22:01:00 - [54] I just recently got a Myrmidon and haven't been too sure how to fit it, especially with my current lack of ISK. So far, this fitting is working for the lev. 2 missions I have. High 3X Anode Neutron Particle Cannon -Thorium Charge M 1X Medium Plasma Smartbomb 1X Medium Nosferatu 1X Drone Link Augmento Med 1X Medium Shield Booster 1X Warp Scrambler 1X 'Langour' Drve Disruptor 1X Ship Scanner 1X Passive Targter Low 1X Medium Armor Repairer 1X Cap. Power Relay 3X Energized Plating for EX, TH, and KI 1X Energized Adaptive Plating Drones 2X Ogers 2X Praetors 1X Berserker I like to mess with the med slots on my ships and once I get the ISK, I'll switch out the passive targeter and scanner for a pair of cap recharger 2s. depending on how this works out, I might drop the power relay in favor of a second repairer. I'll have to test it out though. Criticism is welcome
DEKAPITATOR	Posted - 2007.04.10 00:37:00 - [55] Originally by: Otokogami This is the setup I was thinking of, with mu current skills: High: Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges 250mm Prototype I gauss Gun w/ Plutonium charges Med: F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator F-b10 Nominal Capacitor Regenerator X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 10MN Microwarp Drive I Empty (cant figure what to put here ) Low: Medium Armor Repairer I Medium Armor Repairer I Power Diagnostic System I Emergency Damage Control I Mark I Generator Refitting: Diagnostic System Gauss Field Balancer I Drones: Praetor I Praetor I Praetor I Ogre I Ogre I With this I'm hopeing to do missions and ratting, any advice on where to improve? Looks really good. Gonna try it. Have to remove some stuff because I don't have skill for it yet.
Vincent Almasy Gallente The Underground	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:42:00 - [56] [High] 5x 200mm Railgun II 1x Small Remote Armor Rep [Med] 1x ABII 4x Cap RechargeII [Low] 2x Med Armor Rep II 2x EAMNII 1x EX active(or what ever the main dmg type of the enemy) 1x Cap Power Relay II [Rig] None Needed [Drones] Berserk II or Ogre II Effect: The ship permtanks with: 76.52/72.82/61.84/61.84 and 97.7armor a sec
Lexs Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.22 06:14:00 - [57] I'm just curious, for you people that do level 4 missions in a myrm, how long does it take you on average per mission? Seems like a time waster to even bother with it in a BC. Oh, and wouldn't blasters be better then rails? More damage, easier time with frigs, the only bad part is that you have to get up close to the BS and that takes extra time.
Laughing Mime Upright Citizens Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.22 11:08:00 - [58] Missions go relatively fast, with 4 sentry drones you are doing pretty similar damage to a domi. Myrm is great with a passive tank, i soloed world's collide 4 today without any warpouts. And I only have 3.5 mil SP on this character.
WredStorm Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.04.24 21:11:00 - [59] I do level 4s in my passive shield tanked Myrmidon. It probably isn't as fast as other options (e.g.: Dominix with its greater assortment of drones), but it happens to fit my play style perfectly. Specifically, I might get interrupted by my kids if they happen to wake up and with the passive setup I have no issues just walking away for however many minutes it takes and not having to worry about warping out... my tank can handle pretty much anything thrown at me even in a level 4 mission as long as I don't aggro everything. The worst that might happen if I'm called away is I might have to recall all my drones, just so they don't wander off and agro something new. :) I normally carry 4 Ogre IIs, 2 Hammerhead IIs, and 1 Hobgoblin II. It isn't maxed out damage-wise (ie: its not 5 Ogre IIs), but having the 2 hammerheads and the hobgoblin let me feel confident about taking out any small frigates or spider drones that jump me. My setup can be found by following the link in my sig. Wred ----- Think out of the box, consider passive shield tanking your Myrmidon, you'll be pleasantly surprised!
wtex	Posted - 2007.05.14 09:30:00 - [60] This setup lets me do L3s almost AFK, because repper runs forever at 50% Cap. Also it can hold one Drake. Myrmidon 250mm Railgun I [40xIron Charge M] <--- I know it's bad to mix Rails and Blasters, but I only use them for aggroing and my Blasters can take anything near. 250mm Railgun I [40xIron Charge M] Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I [80xAntimatter Charge M] Modal Neutron Particle Accelerator I [80xAntimatter Charge M] Medium Nosferatu I Medium Nosferatu I 10MN Afterburner I Target Painter I Stasis Webifier I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Medium Armor Repairer II N-Type Thermic Hardener I <---- Mission dependant N-Type Thermic Hardener I N-Type EM Hardener I N-Type EM Hardener I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I <---- It's either EANM or DCU, depends on the difficulty of the mission Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Auxiliary Nano Pump I \ Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hammerhead II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Wasp I 4101 shield, 9.11/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/19/39/59 5625 armor, E/T/K/Ex=90/83/49/31 3375.0 cap, +28.05/s, -34.333/s 302.0 m/s 39.7 DPS
Tuea	Posted - 2007.05.24 23:59:00 - [61] Here's my setup: Hi: 5x 150mm II, 1x Salvager Mid: 10mn AB II, 3x Cap recharger II, 1x langour web Lo: 2x Med Rep II, 1x exp, kin, therm active hardners, 1x EANM II Rigs: 2xCCC, 1x Aux nano pump The 2 armour reps will run forever & repair over 900 each cycle with BC 4. Together with the decent all round resists I've not felt the need to fiddle with mission specific setups yet. I tried blasters but didn't find them very useful, they don't have the range to hit the majority of frigs that sit at 5k+. You may laugh until you've tried it but the 150mm rails have a 30km optimal with spike yet with standard ammo will track normal frigs at any range without a web, just needing the web for inties. This leaves you free to use 5 heavy drones for cruiser size and bigger. It's also nice not having to micro manage switching drones etc, everything has a clear purpose. I tried a passive shield setup but didn't like it, I prefer this because you get cap & slots for guns, AB(the biggest plus), web & warping. It has almost the same afk factor anyway because the reps will go forever.
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.06.07 20:59:00 - [62] Originally by: Tuea Here's my setup: Hi: 5x 150mm II, 1x Salvager Mid: 10mn AB II, 3x Cap recharger II, 1x langour web Lo: 2x Med Rep II, 1x exp, kin, therm active hardners, 1x EANM II Rigs: 2xCCC, 1x Aux nano pump The 2 armour reps will run forever & repair over 900 each cycle with BC 4. Together with the decent all round resists I've not felt the need to fiddle with mission specific setups yet. I tried blasters but didn't find them very useful, they don't have the range to hit the majority of frigs that sit at 5k+. You may laugh until you've tried it but the 150mm rails have a 30km optimal with spike yet with standard ammo will track normal frigs at any range without a web, just needing the web for inties. This leaves you free to use 5 heavy drones for cruiser size and bigger. It's also nice not having to micro manage switching drones etc, everything has a clear purpose. I tried a passive shield setup but didn't like it, I prefer this because you get cap & slots for guns, AB(the biggest plus), web & warping. It has almost the same afk factor anyway because the reps will go forever. That almost my exact setup. I don't have a salvager though, just 6x150s. Still not sure if salvaging is worth the time. Also I tossed one cap recharger for a booster w/800s, just in case, although I never use it. For me I calculated out the damage I could do with M sized rails with my skills (no t2 meds)and it was pretty much equivalent, except I couldn't fit 6 meds with the PG. I'm thinking of tossing the EANM and putting in a Cap Flux Coil (I think that's a low, not at home atm). Not only does it give me its own increase in recharge rate it also drops my overall cap which therefore increases the recharge rate of all my other Cap Rechargers. I've never had much need for resistance in L3s, the bad dudes almost never get in range. Let my drones take care of the big dudes while my rails pop in incoming frigs. If I do get in some situation where I just get swarmed though, thats where the booster comes into play. I can pop my 800s and keep both my MARs running damn near forever, although I generally only carry ~4 800s. For drones its about versatility (although its also almost random/what do I have atm). 1xOgre, 3xWasp, and 1xBerserker. The Berserker is just in case I have to deal with some fast bastard that the others can't keep up with. I don't want to do all Ogres because it takes too long for them to reach the target @ 45km and jumping between targets. That lost time is more detrimental than the difference in damage. I need to think about rigs though. I went inactive when Rev went up, actually I just came back for this ship. Not sure what I want, probably won't use them (too damned expensive honestly), but with this setup I have tons of PG to spare so I could probably throw something on that eats up PG.
Fusebl0wn Caldari Goblin Squad	Posted - 2007.06.07 22:41:00 - [63] Originally by: WredStorm I do level 4s in my passive shield tanked Myrmidon. It probably isn't as fast as other options (e.g.: Dominix with its greater assortment of drones), but it happens to fit my play style perfectly. Specifically, I might get interrupted by my kids if they happen to wake up and with the passive setup I have no issues just walking away for however many minutes it takes and not having to worry about warping out... my tank can handle pretty much anything thrown at me even in a level 4 mission as long as I don't aggro everything. The worst that might happen if I'm called away is I might have to recall all my drones, just so they don't wander off and agro something new. :) I normally carry 4 Ogre IIs, 2 Hammerhead IIs, and 1 Hobgoblin II. It isn't maxed out damage-wise (ie: its not 5 Ogre IIs), but having the 2 hammerheads and the hobgoblin let me feel confident about taking out any small frigates or spider drones that jump me. My setup can be found by following the link in my sig. Wred I used Wred's passive tanked Myrmidon suggestion and I absolutely love it for Level 4 missions. I do have some troubles with Worlds Collide and Extravaganza (third pocket was a little too much), but I haven't tinkered with the setup for those missions to see if I can find anything that can hold up a little better. High Slot: 5x 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon (no capacitor usage) with various ammo depending on the rats 1x Drone Link Augmentor I Mid Slot: 1x V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix (will have the skills for T2 Invul Field tonight, which will help) 4x Large Shield Extender II Low Slot: 5x Shield Power Relay II 1x Power Diagnostic System II Rigs: 3x Core Defence Field Purger I Implants: Slot 7: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KVA1000 (3% Shield Capacity Bonus) Slot 9: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KYA1000 (-3% Shield Recharge Rate Bonus) All of this gives me 18,696 shields with a 108 second recharge rate, with my related skills at 4 or 5. The only cap being used is the Invulnerability Field, which runs forever, even after cap penalties. Drones: Various, depending on rats, but I do use Heavies mostly, but it can take a while to kill the faster, close-range frigs when I do, so a mix of Medium T2s or a couple Heavies and Medium T2s should work well. Missions I've completed so far without warp-outs: Massive Attack, Silence the Informant, Cargo Delivery, Unauthorized Military Presence, Attack of the Drones, Damsel in Distress, The Guristas Spies, The Score, Infiltrated Outpost, Rogue Slave Trader (Part 1 of 2), Downing the Slavers (Part 2 of 2), Right Hand of Zazzmatazz Like I said, I did have some issues with G. Extravaganza... I made it through pocket 1 and 2 without problems, but when I hit the 3rd pocket and had all of the waves on me, I was unable to kill enough rats before my tank broke. I didn't really think the mission through however, and I think part of it was my fault as I went head-first into it without planning ahead and just started firing blindly in the third pocket. I had to keep recalling drones as the waves came in, slowing down my killing speed and eventually just got overwhelmed and forced to warp out. I go afk a lot, so it's certainly the perfect setup for me and I highly suggest you try it if you haven't.
Solomunio Kzenig Amarr Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2007.07.01 23:04:00 - [64] Edited by: Solomunio Kzenig on 01/07/2007 23:04:18 My Myrm Lvl3 setup: Highs: 5 x 250mm Railguns (AM and Iron ammo) 1 x Drone Link Augmentor Mids: 1 x 10NM AFB 2 x Cap Charger II's 1 x Omnidirectional Link 1 x Drone Navigation Computer Lows: 1 x MAR II 1 x DC II Either 4 N-Type passive hardners (2x2 if Rats only do two damage types, for omni tank 2 x Amarr Navy EANM's and 2 N-Type passive hardners) 1 x CCC rig Drones: 8 x Medium, 9 x Light Drones (rat specific)...extra Drones as NPC's do sometimes target your drones, especially new spawns/waves etc (and thats before factoring in lag/disconnects). Works a treat, so far no issues running any Lv3's, even AE bonus room. Drones rarely get past my shields and on most missions armor never drops below 60%. Cap is rock steady (even with everything on and using AM ammo in the rails it never drops below 45%). After loads of frustration flying Amarr BC's i've finally found a BC i like . Even though i'm planning to upgarde to a Dominix for Lvl4's (and then a Megathron), i'm thinking of training up Projectile's for fitting on my Myrm (quick train Small Projectiles to Lvl3 and Medium to Lvl4), to see how well they would work. One Empire, One Emperor, One People, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
Enkidu Uruksen	Posted - 2007.07.05 23:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Fusebl0wn Originally by: WredStorm I do level 4s in my passive shield tanked Myrmidon. ... I used Wred's passive tanked Myrmidon suggestion and I absolutely love it for Level 4 missions. ... High Slot: 5x 650mm Medium Prototype I Siege Cannon (no capacitor usage) with various ammo depending on the rats 1x Drone Link Augmentor I Mid Slot: 1x V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix (will have the skills for T2 Invul Field tonight, which will help) 4x Large Shield Extender II Low Slot: 5x Shield Power Relay II 1x Power Diagnostic System II Rigs: 3x Core Defence Field Purger I Implants: Slot 7: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KVA1000 (3% Shield Capacity Bonus) Slot 9: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KYA1000 (-3% Shield Recharge Rate Bonus) ... Someone mentioned in chat that passively-tanked battlecruisers were nerfed in the Rev II patch. Can someone describe what was done and whether passive shield tanking is still viable with the Myrmidon?
Raspp	Posted - 2007.07.11 01:11:00 - [66] Edited by: Raspp on 11/07/2007 01:13:00 High 1xRemote Hull Rep 1xRemote Armour Rep 1x75mm rail 2xDrone Aug Med 1xTarget Paint 1xOmni Drone 1xSensor Booster 2xCap Recharger Low 2xMAR2 4xCPR 5xRat spec Sentry Drones done and done, 75mm is for initial aggro only quick, dirty and very ugly, but with good drone skills, you can sleep through most 4's,
Bael Don'adur	Posted - 2007.07.23 20:28:00 - [67] Edited by: Bael Don''adur on 23/07/2007 20:28:43 Originally by: Raspp Edited by: Raspp on 11/07/2007 01:26:02 High 1xsmall Remote Hull Rep 1xsmall Remote Armour Rep 1x75mm rail 2xDrone Aug Med 1xTarget Paint 1xOmni Drone 1xSensor Booster 2xCap Recharger Low 2xMAR2 4xCPR 5xRat spec Sentry Drones done and done, 75mm is for initial aggro only quick, dirty and very ugly, but with good drone skills, you can sleep through most 4's, That seems like that would be a bit rough, especially on any entry that put you too close to the action. Basically you are puttting a Domi setup on a Myrm, but you are lacking the light drones to deal with frigs. Also, I am curious what kind of range you can hope to get on a 75mm gun. I think at best you can get ~ 40km, although I may be mistaken. ----- Anyways, I just starting running lvl 4s in my myrm, and its been pretty simple. Granted taking down BSs takes a little whie, but its not that bad. Definitely better than slow boating it in a Domi.
Gasquet	Posted - 2007.07.24 19:54:00 - [68] Response to the passive shield tank nerf...They added more CPU req for SPR and the upped the intitial recharge rate from 1200, to 1400. The good news is, the tank still works, as I'm still using it to run missions.
Hanfar	Posted - 2007.08.20 11:00:00 - [69] My mission setup. High: 4x 250mm Carbide Railgun I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Mid: Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II (the above can be switched to whatever rat specific amps are needed) Shield Recharger II 2x Large Shield Extender II Low: 6x Shield Power Relay II Rigs: 3x Core Defence Field Purger I With my skills I get: 11,316 shield HP and an 85 sec recharge rate.
Kathira Gallente Denial of Service	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:44:00 - [70] The real best tank for your money ( only tech II stuff ) is this one: Drone Link Augmentor I 650mm Artillery Cannon I ( or named ) 650mm Artillery Cannon I 650mm Artillery Cannon I 650mm Artillery Cannon I 650mm Artillery Cannon I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Power Diagnostic System II Rigs : Core Defence Field Purger I \ Core Defence Field Purger I \ Core Defence Field Purger I \ Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Ogre II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II Hobgoblin II 18907 shield, 424.48/s, E/T/K/Ex=30/43/57/71 with Implants 19k+ ... 5860 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/35/35/10 3691.4060823619366 cap, +3.92/s, -3.2/s When you do all things right it can't die in a level 4 mission.
Zip Zero	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:25:00 - [71] Hi, I'm pretty new, with less than 2m skillpoints at the moment. I've rushed for a myrmidon as it's got six turret slots (so I can mine in it quite effectively) and a boatload more armour than the vexor I was previously using for level 1 missions. I'm now on level two missions and having a blast (for the most part) with this setup: hi: 4 x salvager I, 2 x tractor beam Mid: Afterburner, cap rechargers Low: two med armour repairers, two 800mm plates, two specific energized plating Don't have the skills for t2 of anything, or medium railguns, or active hardeners or bigger plates or heavy drones yet. Am thinking of adding a drone link augmentor (having read a few of the setups here) as the 40km limit is a bit annoying in missions when you're surrounded by turrets and stasis towers at 50km, for example. Are there any other low-skill setups that I should try? Zip
Darkly Dicky Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.21 12:57:00 - [72] Originally by: Zip Zero Hi, I'm pretty new, with less than 2m skillpoints at the moment. I've rushed for a myrmidon as it's got six turret slots (so I can mine in it quite effectively) and a boatload more armour than the vexor I was previously using for level 1 missions. I'm now on level two missions and having a blast (for the most part) with this setup: hi: 4 x salvager I, 2 x tractor beam Mid: Afterburner, cap rechargers Low: two med armour repairers, two 800mm plates, two specific energized plating Don't have the skills for t2 of anything, or medium railguns, or active hardeners or bigger plates or heavy drones yet. Am thinking of adding a drone link augmentor (having read a few of the setups here) as the 40km limit is a bit annoying in missions when you're surrounded by turrets and stasis towers at 50km, for example. Are there any other low-skill setups that I should try? Zip You know you can bookmark mission deadspace and come back to it later with a salvage boat right? Which would allow you to equip a couple of guns and shoot stuff.
Sethirus Blang	Posted - 2007.08.23 08:47:00 - [73] First let me say... active hardeners are crucial. I have been very successful with this build and so far have been able to solo every level 3 mission except blockade and the extravaganza's both of which I have yet to receive solo but have easily done duo. The main strategy is for your drones to do all the work while you keep aggro and absorb the damage. Check the kill mission website http://home.broadpark.no/~tijohann/eve/missions/ to see what type of resists you will need for the specific mission you are given. If only two types of damage are dealt you can have about 83 percent resist with the first low slot build. If the mission states all damage types you can use the latter low slot build for a 64 60 70 70 resist. It is very important to use your guns for aggro, not for damage. Be sure to take advantage of the tactical overview tool; it helps tremendously. The key is to find a group, which will usually consist of 4 or 5 ships and stick one gun on each (this is excluding missions which have certain triggers or aggro patterns, be sure to read the other notes on the kill mission website given previously). This aggros them to your ship, even if you miss, thus giving your drones freedom to kill. If you see a drone take even the smallest of damage return it to bay and re-release. One wild card module is the sensor booster I have equipped in mediums. You could stick a target painter or webifier. I went with the sensor booster to utilize the 60 km my drone augmenter gives me (myrmidon innatly is targettin capped at 55 km). As with any build get named if you are able. ---------------------- High: 200mm Railgun I 200mm Railgun I 200mm Railgun I 200mm Railgun I 200mm Railgun I Drone Link Augmenter ---------------------- Med: 10mn Afterburner Sensor Booster Cap Recharger Cap Recharger Cap Recharger ---------------------- Low (for missions with only two resists): 1st damage type specific hardener 1st damage type specific hardener 2nd damage type specific hardener 2nd damage type specific hardener Mdium armor repairer Mdium armor repairer ---OR--- Low (for missions with all damage types): **remember the myrmidon has 60 innate EM resist Explosive hardener Kinetic hardener Thermal hardener Damage control Medium armor repairer Medium armor repairer --------------------- Drones: 5 X medium scout II's or 5 X heavy I's (read kill mission website for damage to use) --------------------- As a side note, I highly recommend fitting a dedicated looter for the base you will be working from. A destroyer equipped with 4 tractor beams, 4 salvager, afterburner, cap rechargers, and extended cargohold. It makes things go much faster. ----------------------------------------- Everquest: 60 Wizard (Original - Velious) DAOC: 50 Bard (Original - Foundations) WoW: 60 Priest (Original) -----------------------------------------
Govenor Shran	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:59:00 - [74] Edited by: Govenor Shran on 05/09/2007 11:02:04 I hardly run missions any more but I use the Myrmidon for running complex's so with one change the setup is prety relevant. Try this out. 5x 250mm Rails (Tech II if you can, prototype if your having fitting pains) 1x Drone Link 1x AB II 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Omnidirectional Tracking link 2x Meditation Medium Reppers 4x Tech II Specific hardeners. 3x CCC rigs. 5x Appropriate Tech II heavy drones. Just quickly on my calculator I think that will give you 640 DPS tank against kinetic and thermal damage. (BC lvl 4) Should tank any lvl 3 (lvl 4 aswell if you're careful) and the cap runs forever with both reppers goin. I'm not sure if it will hold with the guns and it wont hold with the AB. With uber cap skills and an implant it may hold with everything running but at that point you would be better to drop a CCC rig for an armor or drone rig and just manage the cap.
Syberbolt8 Gallente soni Corp Imperium Sonorumance	Posted - 2007.09.19 02:16:00 - [75] This runs most LVL 4s without even trying, just make sure you get arrgo before your drones do. ==[ MYRMIDON ]== HIGH-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 4x425mm AutoCannon I [60xDomination EMP M] 1x Salvager I 1x Small Tractor Beam I MED-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1x Invulnerability Field II 4x Large Shield Extender II LOW-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 6x Shield Power Relay II RIG-SLOTS : ~~~~~~~~~~~~ 3x Core Defence Field Purger I DRONE BAY : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 5x Ogre I (Heavy Attack Drone) SHIP'S ATTRIBUTES : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Shield HP (regen) : 17287.2 HP (81.3sec) Max Shield Regen : 531.62 per sec (approx.) Shield EM : 30.0 % Shield Explo : 72.0 % Shield Kinetic : 58.0 % Shield Thermal : 44.0 % ==> 343.14 Avarage DPS vs basic resist on most ships. <== ------------------------------------ Soni-Corp Industry Director Start a fire for a man, he stays warm for a day. Catch a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life
Riebart Norith Gallente Interstellar Business Federation Tartarus Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.25 04:52:00 - [76] Edited by: Riebart Norith on 25/09/2007 04:53:33 Here's what I'm using. 4x Salvager 1x Tractor beam 1x Small gun of your choice to pull aggro (I use a civvie AC) before your drones get it. 5x Cap Recharger II 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 4x T2 hardeners specific to the rats. Drones specific to the mission/rats (Pack more lights if you expect frigs. Meds do a ncie job, but I find that even heavies make short work of most mission rats, frigs included.) Tank will run forever on teh cap recharger with Energy Management/SysOp at level 4. You can loot and salvage as you go :). Edit: Added the gun in the highs. ---------- [ 2006.10.09 03:03:14 ] (combat) The Forum Whiner strikes My Patience perfectly, wrecking for A Spite Filled Post of Doom.
Jebhadr	Posted - 2007.10.21 17:48:00 - [77] Hey Just thinking I may be missing something but I have 3x 800 rooled Tungsten 2x T2 Reprs Cap Charger I rotate 2xTracking Comp's or Heat Sinks A cap booster 10mn Afterburner(Cause armor like that is heavy) 4x 250 Prototypes Salvager Tractor Beam This works well for pretty much all msns I have done I get resists near 40% and armor over 15k with a long time cap. This was pulled from memory sitting at work so might have missed a piece or 2 but this pretty close. Ohh I dont have Hull Upgrades 5 yet so cant do the EANM yet. Open for suggestions or comments.
jin mango	Posted - 2007.10.22 08:52:00 - [78] My fitting for Serpentis belts in 0.0. Warp to 0km, launch Gardes, wait a little, loot :) ... BC for 4 shots, BS about a minute and half. Ill be very hapy with Gardes II :) Highs: 2x 125mm Railgun II, Antimatter 2x Salvager Tractor Beam Drone Link Augmentor Meds: 10MN Microwarpdrive II Fleeting Web 3x Omnidirectional Tracking Link Lows: MAR II 2x Kinetic Hardener II Thermal Hardener II 2x Co-Processor II Rigs: 2x Sentry Damage Augmentor I Drones: 5x Garde I > going to Garde II
Si'dun Took	Posted - 2007.10.28 22:30:00 - [79] My setup is pretty basic but works easily for lvl 3 missions: Highs: 4x 250mm Prototype gausses (you can prob use base 1 models) I use Thorium ammo and it lets me hit everything between 10km and 45km effectively. Mids: 1x Orion Tracking Computer 4x Cap recharger I Low: 2x Med Armor Rep II's (can use I's) 1x Energized Therm Res. Amp (passive) 1x Energized Ken Res. Amp (passive) 1x Damage Control II 1x 800m Rolled Tungstun Plates Drones: 5 heavy EM or 5 heavy explosive (they both work really well.) My strategy is to target the frigs first at 45km away and then shoot and slowly head in the opposite direction and you can take them down as they follow. I just take them out 1 at a time starting with frigs and then working on cruisers last. I can hit the frigs until they get within 10km of me, but then the drones take care of them easy enough and I switch targets. Thats how I do all lvl 3's and it works really well (even when aggroing the all the rats). Tips: Make sure they have you targeted before letting your drones out so they dont get blown up Get your scouting drone skill up to 4 so you can use your drones up to 40km without an augmentor. Makes a huge difference. For salvaging/looting I just make a bookmark at the mission spot. Turn in the mission, then you can warp back to the spot in a destroyer or another good ship for salvaging with a MWD on it. When you come back the area is no longer dead space and you can just loot/salvage at your leisure using the MWD to get around.
MR HARD	Posted - 2007.12.02 11:01:00 - [80] 3 dim nos 3 150 T2 rails small ships T2 10mn AB 2 T2 cap rechargers 1 T2 cap booster with 400,s in it and web 2 enagized nano plates T2 2 T2 reps 1 kin and 1 therm enagized plate 5 T2 drones 3 aux nano armor riggs you can tank a level 4 all day in this ship alongs you use your head and take out the webbers first .........thanks better than any BS in the game I have found ...fly safe
Het Kwaad	Posted - 2007.12.13 02:00:00 - [81] Edited by: Het Kwaad on 13/12/2007 02:02:52 My setup with 2.5mil skill pts and not too expensive stuff: High 5x 250mm compressed coil gun 1 (lead ammo, 30km optimal range with my skills) 1x Drone link augmentor 1 Med 4x F-b10 nominal capacitor regenerator 1x Y-S8 hydrocarbon afterburners Low N-type explosive hardener N-type kinetic hardener N-type thermic hardener (swap those if needed for mission) Damage control II Overdrive injector system II Medium Armor Repairer II Drones 5x whatever damage type suits the mission, with some backups. I prefer hammerheads because they work most of the time. Works nicely for lvl3 missions. If confronted with many enemies at once I fly away from them popping them in order of whatever comes close. With AB most cruisers/BC can be kept at a safe distance and the cap rechargers ensure everything can run long enough for me to either kill enough or get out of range from the heavy hitters. Since enemies tend to be coming toward me in a straight line the railguns hit them pretty good. For dealing with frigates that spawn close and use webbers (portal to war 2) i am thinking of using a webifier instead of the overdrive injector II and blasters instead of railguns. This still has to be tested in combat though
Lexi Ratamnim Minmatar Raging Phoenix	Posted - 2007.12.27 08:23:00 - [82] Highs 5x 250mm Prototype Gauss Rails (Antimatter/Lead) Drone Link augmenter Meds 1x named TP 3x Cap Recharger II's 1x Medium cap booster II w/ 800 charge Lows 1x Medium Armor Repair II 2x Active Hardeners (faction Specific) 2x Passive Hardeners (Faction Specific) 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Drones Mix of Light and Medium Tech II drones ( Faction Specific ) Rigs 1x Nano Pump 1x Nano Accelerator 1x Anti-Explosive Pump Switch out the resists as needed, maybe drop the MFSII for an EANMII for angel missions. I can solo almost any 4 with this setup, Running all Turrets/mods/tank permanantly without falling under 40% cap.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.01.22 11:16:00 - [83] Edited by: Sephra Star on 22/01/2008 11:22:03 My NEWB set up for the MYRMADON is handling level 3 missions very well and I only have 1.7 million in skill points. All appropriate Gunnery and Drone skills at level 3 except of course the necessary Drone skill at level 5. High Slots feature x4 medium 650mm arty and x2 small 280mm arty. The small 280's are surprisingly effective against closing frigates. The Medium Slots feature x4 LSE's (Large Shield Extenders)and an AB which I find essential for maintaining range to keep the arty effective. The low slots feature x6 Shield Power Relays which totaly nerf my Cap recharge down to nil, but the only thing I need the CAP for is my AB so I never have a problem. I also have x3 Shield Recharge Purger Rigs. The setup gives me 14,400 Shield HP with a 150 recharge rate. I am using x2 Ogres, x2 Hammerheads, and a x1 Hobgoblin for drones which are all tech 1. The only level 3 I have not tried by myself so far is the Extravagnaza. I asked a friend to help when that came up as I was uncertain of my capabilities at the time. I am fairly sure I could manage it at this point though as long as I am careful, although the Bonus Room with the Battleships would keep me on edge and might not be feasable.
Auch Mcfadden Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.23 20:28:00 - [84] can i ask a general question... is the tendency towards long range attack, augmented with heavy cap/repper abilities and resist plating because... lvl 3/4 missions are not doable at point blank/blaster range... or not efficient ? i mean, are these grinding setups or playing setups. i ran a standard destroyer setup with rails for cake walking lvl 1 missions and most lvl 2s... but found it insanely boring. when i got my cruiser... i did the same thing. outfitted with rails. but quickly switched to a blaster config with thick armor plating... and resists. and all but one lvl 2 mission has still been... cake walk(hard mission was "recon 1 of 3" which you're not even supposed to do. but it was tough and fun...so i did it) I guess my question is. does anyone run missions in a blaster setup. my thinking was to just adjust my cruiser setup to my Myr's slots. using the increased PG to get more reppers or more armor or whatnot, using the drones to deal with the frig trash... Highs: Blasters, probably Neutron or ION (close quarters ammo/max damage lean-to) Mids: AB, Web, maybe cap augmenting modules, cap booster Lows: thick plates, resist EANMs maybe a cap doo-dad. reppers, i dunno Drone: rat specific sort... maybe smaller ones. so the drone bay can also store those interesting little electric warfare and repair type drones too... i dunno. sitting at 30km+ doing piddly damage while i watch little green stars buzz around my targets isn't my idea of fun. any opinions on a blaster setup, that will survive missions (even if it's a silly setup, where i'll be nearly dead every time... but always right in the middle of things)
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:16:00 - [85] Edited by: Sephra Star on 24/01/2008 11:18:06 I've toyed with the idea of a Blaster set-up myself. It would be great to be able to just aggro everything and not have to worry about keeping range an issue as you would want them to come close. I am really not sure though just how effective it would be, but I can tell you this. Your comment about sitting at 30K range and doing pidly damage could easily be corrected switching to medium 650mm Artillary as they do uber damage at 30 and down to 18-20 and a little less even. They can actually do pidly damage at 45 range. My small 280mm scout artillary are great at the 8 to 20 range for those frigs that get thru optimal on your 650mm's. I am commited to the Passive Shield set up due to the three rigs so switching to other than artillary would I think cause serious CAP issues. My shields rarely lose 20 percent. Both of us will have much better time efficiency I think when we get to start using the tech 2 drones. I would like to here someones take on using Blasters with this ship too.
Pandares Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.01.24 11:33:00 - [86] If your tank can hold it, blasters are more efficient. Most rats will get in your face eventually, so if you can pick them off at between 2 and 20 km, you have a far easier time sweeping up the mission afterwards.
Dradius Calvantia	Posted - 2008.01.25 20:18:00 - [87] I Have been in EVE for only a little over a month now, but thanks to good advice, and countless hours on EFT I have stumbeled across a Myrm Setup that will allow newer players to handle LVL 2's and most LVL 3's with ease. This set-up does require Some tech 2 equipment but only 2 low ranked skills will need to be trained to lvl 4. It only took me a week to get the skills needed for this setup once i decided upon it. The Tech 2 equip and the rigging does make this set up expensive, but the ablility to run higher lvl missions early in your EVE carrer makes this worth the while if you can sc*****together the funds (about 100 mill). Also just using tech 1 equip will still give you a formidable ship, but the rigging is essential. Passive Sield Tanked Myrm. Rigs: 3x Core Deffence Field Purger Low: 5x Tech 2 Sheild Power Relays 1x Tech 2 Power Diagnostic System Med: 4x Tech 2 Large Sheild Extenders 1x Best Invulndrability Feild Avalible High: I Recomend Projectile Weapons as your cap recharge rate is going to be crap with this set up, how ever rails will work if you use tem just to agro the NPC's. Drones: This is were your damage is done and the set up should be mission speicific. If you plan on using this set up, as with most myrm set ups, train your dorne skills till it hurts. Notes: Mission specific shield hardeners are a good idea. I am currently experimenting with using tem instead If anyone wants to know ow thats going let me know. Also, I am working towards Tech 2 Rigs and Hardeners which should give this set up close to 600 DPS as compared to the 450 it's getting now. This set up's weak point is it's Capacitor, wit just the hardener running the cap should last you 30 min or so, but carefull cap management is a must, exspeacialy if you plan on running rails. Also getting to know your set up is a must, and I strongly suggest to any new player useing this, do not rely on your ship to get you through a mission, exspecialy LVL 3's, the set can handel most lvl 3's when used properly and should give you plenty of time to get away from the ones you cant but you should always be on gaurd to get out if you have too. You wouldnt want to Lose this 100 mil set up just because you wanted to see how close you could cut it before warping out.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.02.11 23:12:00 - [88] This set up works great if your still a NOOB with very limited skills. You can actually run this set up using x3 720mm Artillary and a couple of 180mm Auto Canons and keep all 6 of the low slots with Shield Power Relays instead of just x5 with Power Plant for extra PG as in the below setup. Then there is no need for a 3% Power Grid implant. That was how I used to have it set up and it worked just fine, but I just recently changed it to the below setup in an attempt to improove my DPS as I want to be able to Gang in Level 4 missions with the following set-up. HIGH: x1 Drone Range Augmentor x5 Scout 720mm Artillary MID x2 Large Type 2 Shield Extenders X2 TYPE 2 Mission Specific Shield Amplifiers x1 Y-S8 Hydrocarbon AB LOW x5 Beta Reactor Control Shield Power Relays: These are the same as the Type Two in shield recharge bonus (24%), but you don't need ENERGY GRID UPGADES SKILL LEVEL 4. In addition they use far less CPU, but CPU is really not an issue here as you have just enough to use Tech 2's if you have the level 4 skill. I don't. Tech 2 is actually much cheaper than the T1 Beta, so get the T2's if you can. x1 Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control (+10% Power Grid); again it would be better to have a TYPE 2 version with a 15% PG bonus, but that requires a level 5 skill. The only problem with using the Beta is it does not give enough PG for the fit so you will need a 3% PG implant to make it work unless you have ENGINEERING skilled up to level 5. DRONESx5 Hammerhead Type 2, but plan on using Mission Specific Damage Drones after I get Interfacing to level 4 tomorrow and can train all the other racial specific drone skills to level 2. I like the medium drones much better than heavies because of their speed at moving from target to target and as well to return to the bay quicker when they are in harms way. I don't have Heavy T2 Drones yet anyway. I only have 2.5 million SP and I am rock solid for level 3 missions solo. You gotta Love the Damage output of them arty's once you get the hang of using them. Useless at close range, but great at 18 all the way out to 50/60 with the right projectile ammo and all my gunnery skills are only at level 3. Comments on improoving my CAPless Passive Shield Tank setup would be welcome. I am considering getting some 425mm Auto Canons for missions I know I will be facing Rats that come in at close range although my T2 Hammerheads and the T1 versions before I had T2 are effective enough by themselves to deal with things methodicly. There are only a couple of situations in all the missions where my Shield Tank gets down to 30% if I just sit in one place and let myself get swarmed. I never have to warp out. The AB gives me the Boost I need to get out of the danger range when that happens. P.S. It should be noted that my very first fit out with this ship included x4 650mm Artillary, but I found out fairly quickly that having just x3 720mm Artillary totaly blows away having x4 650mm in DPS and range. Having all 5 now is totaly awsome. Taking down Structures real fast with Nuclear Ammo with a 40% range bonus is really nice especially when your dealing with MISSILE SENTRIES, ENERGY NEUTRALIZERS, and STASIS WEBIFIERS I've tried setups using 3 and 4 Large Shield Extender 2's in place of the Shield Field/Amplifiers/Invulnerability Shield for damage specific resistences and my experience is that 2 Shield Extenders is enough and the CAPless Amplifers Type 2 (37.5%) are better than the Active Shield Fields that cost CAP to run. I have also experimented with a Stasis Webifier in Mids, but with my current long range sniper set-up its pretty much useless. You can actually get buy with just an EM/MAGNETIC and a HEAT/THERMAL Amplifier and never have to switch out anything for any of the missions, but its good to be in the habit of fitting them for mission specific damage I think.
Razie Minmatar RagTag Fugitive Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.19 00:52:00 - [89] I'm running t2 proj currently with an armor tank and i'm enjoying it thouroughly Highs.. 5x 220mm or 425mm t2 Auto's normally firing phased or fusion 1x tractor beam, or a 6th turret Mids.. 3x Cap rechargers 1xAB II 1xweb Lows.. 1x MAR II 2x+2x mission specific active hardeners 1x damage control II staying stocked up on lites and mediums, i havent been able to fully enjoy heavies yet. i'm not sure why, need to keep skilling up i suppose 15m SP, i just love the versatility of the slots, so many options, but i'm pretty happy with the Proj/Cap/Armor + dronerapefest havent got any rigs yet but i'm sure that'll be fun are sentry drones better than light/medium combat drones? Vengence will be swift and violent.
Kusha'an Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.19 14:57:00 - [90] Originally by: Razie I'm running t2 proj currently with an armor tank and i'm enjoying it thouroughly Highs.. 5x 220mm or 425mm t2 Auto's normally firing phased or fusion 1x tractor beam, or a 6th turret Mids.. 3x Cap rechargers 1xAB II 1xweb Lows.. 1x MAR II 2x+2x mission specific active hardeners 1x damage control II staying stocked up on lites and mediums, i havent been able to fully enjoy heavies yet. i'm not sure why, need to keep skilling up i suppose 15m SP, i just love the versatility of the slots, so many options, but i'm pretty happy with the Proj/Cap/Armor + dronerapefest havent got any rigs yet but i'm sure that'll be fun are sentry drones better than light/medium combat drones? You're better off flying T2 medium drones out of a Myrm. You can only field 3 sentries due to the bandwidth nerf. Don't need the DCU II unless you plan on going into structure. Reading up on the mission ahead of time relieves the need to go into structure. Don't waste your money on rigs for this ship - save them for your BS. They're simply not needed for Level 3 missions. Webs and AB - Meh. Webs are better if you're using blasters. You're wasting a slot by using a web on this ship, because your drones can kill close frigs, and your rails are ineffective at shorter ranges. Put a drone mod there instead (see my setup). AB is not usually necessary, but sometimes it can get you out of trouble. I don't ever use one anymore. Use another drone mod. (see my setup) I'm a drone guy, so my highs are used mainly for aggro and when I'm bored. My rails don't do much except pop the occasional frigate that's flying directly at me. But I can afk tank EVERY LEVEL 3 MISSION with this setup. I just did so with The Blockade. Armor never dropped below 99%. Highs 4x 200mm Carbide rails (Lead or Iron) Small remote repper for drones Drone Link Augmentor Meds 3x Cap Recharger II 1x Drone Nav Computer 1x Omnidirectional Tracking Link Lows 3x Rat Specific Active Radioisotope Hardeners 1x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x Medium Armor Repper II 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plate NO RIGS NECESSARY!
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.02.21 04:07:00 - [91] Edited by: Sephra Star on 21/02/2008 04:14:17 Been flying a Myrm for a month now. Started EVE a little over 2 months ago, so my SP is just under 3 million with a little over 800K in drones now. What a difference it does make in DPS getting your drone skills up. I don't call them drones anymore. I call them shredders. I went with a passive shield tank with x3 Shield Recharge Rigs. I also got a few implants to buff things up since I did so well on the market. My implants are all +3% to SHIELD RECHARGE, SHIELD HP, and POWER GRID. In HIGHS x3 720mm Scout Artillary x2 650mm Scout Artillary x1 Drone Range Augmentor In MIDS : I change it arround periodicly, but my latest fit until I get Engineering 5 for more power grid is... x2 T-2 Large Shield Extenders x1 T-2 Shield Recharger x2 T-2 Shield Amplifers (either mission specific, or you can just put an EM and a Thermal on and forget about it.) LOWS: x6 Beta Shield Power Relays. They are the meta 4 T-1 and are the same as the T-2 in recharge rate, but use far less CPU. You can use T-2 just fine and they are actually less expensive. I am currently flying arround with a SHIELD RECHARGE RATE of 85 as per the Fiting Screen in the game. Easily tanking over 700 per second. The lowest any mission rats have gotten my shields down to was 70% and that was from the 4 Battle Ships in the Bonus Room of the Level 3 Angel Extravaganza. In short I designed this set-up not just for solo level 3, but for teaming up with a partner in level 4's and as well to maybe hunt Rats and help defend my Corp Mates on low sec mining excursions. I am only 15 PG away from being able to fit my AB back on. Truth is having a shield recharge rate at 145 is good enough for level 3's. I could replace one of my Shield Power Relays with a PDU and have more Grid right now if I wanted to. As well I really don't need the Mids Shield Recharger as I would do better with an Invulnerability, but I do think it is nice having a 100% CAPLESS TANK/GANK that is totaly immune to NOS and I plan to put my AB back on anyway and maybe get a T-2 Invulnerability for the level 4 missions. In fact the best tankable setup using the EFT suggests x3 Extenders and x2 Invulnerability's, but Invulnerability Shields do use CAP. MOVE OVER DRAKE PILOTS...
SleekOperator Gallente Dynasty Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.24 18:07:00 - [92] Edited by: SleekOperator on 24/02/2008 18:07:47 My setup, probably not the best but it fits me and i do lvl3 mission easy... High Slots 650mm Medium Gallium I Cannon x 2 425mm Medium Gallium I Machine Gun x 4 fitted with any available projectile ammo Medium Slots Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Cap Recharger II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Monopulse Tracking Mechanism I (with Optimal Range script) Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners Low Slots MAR II x 2 DC II EMM II ETM II ERM II Drones Hammerhead I x 10 Hobgoblin I x 5 Hobgoblin II x 5 Total Effective Hit Points: 49078! SleekOperator
Cavazos	Posted - 2008.02.24 18:19:00 - [93] yea their both good but id say use a megathron for safety reasons my myrmidon did lvl 3's np with this setup HI"S 5x 200mm Railgun II's 1 drone link augmentor MID'S 10MN AB 2x Cap Recharger II's Capacitor Booster II fitted wit 800 charges Lows 2x MARI's 4x rat specific hardners (active Drone Bay T2 Rat Specific Medium Drones this actually was a lil bit of an over kill for me
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:07:00 - [94] I love my shield Myrmidon: High Slots: 6x 650mm Artillery (or focused beams or anything else you fancy) Med Slots: 2x Cap Recharger II 1x Large Shield Booster II 2x Invulnerability Field (or specific hardeners if you're not as lazy as I am) Low Slots: 3x Gyrostabilizer II (Or Heat Sinks or whatever) 3x Capacitor Power Relay II Drones: T2 Mediums Had two batches of a EM/Therm and Kin/Expl mix on board and a armor bot for field repairs of drones. Rigs: Capacitor Control Unit Core Defense Capacitor Sa***uard Core Defense Operational Solidifier Works without them, the rigs just offer a better tank. Ran a lot of Lvl 3 missions with it, even beat the New Frontiers line without getting into deep trouble using a set of focused lasers instead of arties as i was doing amarr missions at that time. -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.07 21:27:00 - [95] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 21/02/2008 04:18:18 Been flying a Myrm for a month now. Started EVE a little over 2 months ago, so my SP is just under 3 million with a little over 800K in drones now. What a difference it does make in DPS getting your drone skills up. I don't call them drones anymore. I call them shredders. I went with a passive shield tank with x3 Shield Recharge Rigs. I also got a few implants to buff things up since I did so well on the market. My implants are all +3% to SHIELD RECHARGE, SHIELD HP, and POWER GRID. In HIGHS x3 720mm Scout Artillary x2 650mm Scout Artillary x1 Drone Range Augmentor In MIDS : I change it arround periodicly, but my latest fit until I get Engineering 5 for more power grid is... x2 T-2 Large Shield Extenders x1 T-2 Shield Recharger x2 T-2 Shield Amplifers (either mission specific, or you can just put an EM and a Thermal on and forget about it.) LOWS: x6 Beta Shield Power Relays. They are the meta 4 T-1 and are the same as the T-2 in recharge rate, but use far less CPU. You can use T-2 just fine and they are actually less expensive. I am currently flying arround with a SHIELD RECHARGE RATE of 85 as per the Fiting Screen in the game. Easily tanking over 700 per second. The lowest any mission rats have gotten my shields down to was 70% and that was from the 4 Battle Ships in the Bonus Room of the Level 3 Angel Extravaganza. In short I designed this set-up not just for solo level 3, but for teaming up with a partner in level 4's and as well to maybe hunt Rats and help defend my Corp Mates on low sec mining excursions. I am only 15 PG away from being able to fit my AB back on. Truth is having a shield recharge rate at 145 is good enough for level 3's. I could replace one of my Shield Power Relays with a PDU and have more Grid right now if I wanted to. As well I really don't need the Mids Shield Recharger as I would do better with an Invulnerability, but I do think it is nice having a 100% CAPLESS TANK/GANK that is totaly immune to NOS and I plan to put my AB back on anyway and maybe get a T-2 Invulnerability for the level 4 missions. Then again a webber, or a scrambler can fit there if the need arises. In fact the best tank setup using the EFT suggests x3 Extenders and x2 Invulnerability's, but Invulnerability Shields do use CAP. MOVE OVER DRAKE PILOTS... I swapped out my x3 720 Scout and x2 650mm Scout Arty's for the JOLT Cosmos versions and added a third T-2 Extender with the Power Grid savings and I am doing most level 4 missions in my Myrmidon now.
Raizoul	Posted - 2008.03.10 01:03:00 - [96] Edited by: Raizoul on 10/03/2008 01:04:54 I like myrm armor tank with rails, i know its worst than passive shield but anyway. This is what i use : High Slots 5x 200mm Prototype Gauss Gun (Iridium) Drone Link Augmentor Med Slots 4x Cap Recharger II Omnidirectional Tracking Link Low Slots 2x MAR II EANM II Active Thermal Hardener II Active Kinetic Hardener II Active Explosive Hardener II Drones 2x Heavy 2x Med 1x Light Rigs 2x Auxiliary Nano Pump I Capacitor Control Circuit I I like not having to swap hardeners depending on the rats and this setup is all round. Cap runs forever and lvl3 are cake . Havent tried yet lvl4 but i m planning too. I use a catalyst for salvage looting with 4 tractor 4 salvagers and mwd after mission is done.
Thelonius Rat Caldari MDK Syndicate Evolution Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.10 23:14:00 - [97] Dual repping myrmidons? My god you've all understood this ship wrong. It's a nano ship. High 200mm rails Med Cap rechargers, MWD Lows 3x T2 nanofiber 2x T2 Overdrive 1x T2 Inerta Stabiliser Full set of snake implants if you can afford it. -
Raizoul	Posted - 2008.03.11 00:30:00 - [98] Originally by: Thelonius Rat Dual repping myrmidons? My god you've all understood this ship wrong. It's a nano ship. High 200mm rails Med Cap rechargers, MWD Lows 3x T2 nanofiber 2x T2 Overdrive 1x T2 Inerta Stabiliser Full set of snake implants if you can afford it. one could say that its a drone arm rep ship if u look at the bc bonuses :P could also point out that mwd aint working on most missions. Plus if a setup is working u dont have it wrong
Digital Anarchist Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:28:00 - [99] Myrmidon is almost as good as a drake with tank and can do similar damage. It can tank level 4 missions easily, but not enough dps to complete them fast. Fitting highs: drone link augmentors and medium artilery guns mids: named AB, rest large shield extenders II lows: all shield power relay II's rigs: core defence field purger x 3 Drone configuration: 2 heavy, 2 mids, 1 light drone, spare lights to handle the small ships It's slow and does less damage, but can easily tank almost all L4's at full aggro. Tank is much better than a dominix, for comparison. It can also be used in tandem with a pure damage ship for faster missioning. ------------------------ This space for rent
Captain Dralisz Megadodo Publications DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:02:00 - [100] high: 2 tractor beam 4 salvager medium: 4 large shield extender t2 1 invu field t2 low: 6 shield power relay t2 rig: 3 shield purger and a siege warfare mindlink or skirmish dont know which 1 give +shield hp btw this fitt make you immortal in agent missions slow as **** but immortal :) dont need cap too and pushing the reper or booster button you can go and cooking. :D drones: 4 hammerhead t2 and 1 ogre t2
Captain Dralisz Megadodo Publications DeaDSpace Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:08:00 - [101] Edited by: Captain Dralisz on 16/03/2008 17:08:48 Originally by: Digital Anarchist Myrmidon is almost as good as a drake with tank and can do similar damage. It can tank level 4 missions easily, but not enough dps to complete them fast. Fitting highs: drone link augmentors and medium artilery guns mids: named AB, rest large shield extenders II lows: all shield power relay II's rigs: core defence field purger x 3 Drone configuration: 2 heavy, 2 mids, 1 light drone, spare lights to handle the small ships It's slow and does less damage, but can easily tank almost all L4's at full aggro. Tank is much better than a dominix, for comparison. It can also be used in tandem with a pure damage ship for faster missioning. ye right i wrote my post before reading all :P I hope the ppls will don't say nerf nerf! All gallente ruined when the ccp removed the 5 heavy drones from myrmidone.
Nicola Sardonicus FactorMax Bears With Guns	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Kusha'an Don't need the DCU II unless you plan on going into structure. Reading up on the mission ahead of time relieves the need to go into structure. Don't waste your money on rigs for this ship - save them for your BS. They're simply not needed for Level 3 missions. DCU IIs give shield and armor omni-tank that isn't stack-nerfed, plus sometimes you end up in structure no matter how hard you read the mission guide beforehand. Stuff (like lag) happens. If you want rigs and you're not just trying to get up to BS as soon as possible, get them. I still take my Drake out sometimes and run missions on it just for a change of pace. Its core defence field purgers are wonderful and I have never regretted the money I spent on them, even though it slowed me down from buying and outfitting my Raven by a few weeks. ____________________________________ War is Peace; Freedom is Slavery; Ignorance is Strength.
Barbelo Valentinian Liberty Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:03:00 - [103] As a 3m sp stripling, after playing around with an armour tanked Myrm for Level 3 missions (2 MAR I, DCU II, 3 Hardeners), I tried the passive shield (4 LSE, 1 Inv Field, 5 SPR Is and 1 named PDU in lows) and was totally shocked to find it almost invulnerable to any number of rats in Level 3 missions. I mean this is a BEAST. I remember encountering a passive tanked Drake in PvP and being shocked and slightly frightened at how amazing the tank was, but I bet the Myrm is pretty close. Of course it depends on your gameplay. If you like busy gameplay, dual repping, keeping an eye on things, the armour tank is perfectly safe, if occasionally somewhat anxious-making. But if you're lazy like me and you like to feel lordly and don't want to do anything except find the most elegant targeting sequence and drone control slickery, the passive shield Myrm is a thing of beauty. Provided you're sensible and don't literally aggro the whole rooom, you really don't have to worry about incoming damage AT ALL. I mean you can go into one of those big rooms with like 5 or 6 clusters of mobs and just plow through them and the shield is barely dented. The one downside is not having an AB, so the "plowing" is in fact rather at an agricultural pace. However, the tank is so strong I'm thinking of dropping one LSE and just sticking an AB in there (or maybe dropping the Inv Field?). I think the tank would still be strong enough. I can also see this being a monster with blasters in PvP provided you've got a partner who can do the webbing/scramming/ewar stuff. The really cool thing is that you can still fit 6 blasters or (for missions as I prefer) rails (atm I've got 4 Carbide 200s and 2 Dual 150mm Compressed Coils) which pump out their own pretty reasonable dps at okay range (10km) to add to the drones (atm I have 2 Ogre Is, 2 Hammerhead IIs and one Hobgoblin II). Total EFT dps of 243 dps/327 volley, which is seems quite reasonable to me given my sp level and the fact I've gone more for tank than gank. Any thoughts or advice greatly appreciated. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Hameska Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.28 00:26:00 - [104] Sorry for the necro, but I thought it better to ask here (stickied topic) than to create a new Myrm thread just for this question. After reading the posts in this thread, the consensus seems to be that a passive shield tanked Myrm is a better choice for missions than any sort of armor tank, even with the ship bonuses. I'm curious if this is still the case, and for level 3 missions, is the difference really that drastic? Just playing around with EFT, it seems that I definitely need CCC rigs if I'm going to get 2 MAR's cap stable. Would a single MAR be able to handle level 3 missions? How about a passive shield tanked Myrm with no purger rigs? Money is not really an issue, but since I plan to upgrade to a Domi fairly soon, I dont want to spend more than I have to in this ship (and I can always add them later). Just hoping someone with Myrmidon experience can give me their opinions on how to tank it. =)
Barbelo Valentinian Liberty Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.28 04:55:00 - [105] Originally by: Hameska Sorry for the necro, but I thought it better to ask here (stickied topic) than to create a new Myrm thread just for this question. After reading the posts in this thread, the consensus seems to be that a passive shield tanked Myrm is a better choice for missions than any sort of armor tank, even with the ship bonuses. I'm curious if this is still the case, and for level 3 missions, is the difference really that drastic? Just playing around with EFT, it seems that I definitely need CCC rigs if I'm going to get 2 MAR's cap stable. Would a single MAR be able to handle level 3 missions? How about a passive shield tanked Myrm with no purger rigs? Money is not really an issue, but since I plan to upgrade to a Domi fairly soon, I dont want to spend more than I have to in this ship (and I can always add them later). Just hoping someone with Myrmidon experience can give me their opinions on how to tank it. =) See my post above, which represents recent experience from 3m sp player, so if you've got more it should be even easier. The passive shield tanks works beautifully in Level 3 missions even without purger rigs, just the setup I noted above. Pretty safe really. Haven't tried single MAR setup, but certainly dual MAR (plus DCU II and 3 Hardeners) is safe too, only requires more hands-on management obviously, so it really just depends on how busy you want to be, and how you play - specifically whether you like jumping into the thick of things or kiting. I'd say if you like being in the thick of it, the shield tank is a bit safer, unless you really do bite off more than you can chew, when suddenly it becomes quite dangerous as soon as you get to armour (which takes a hell of a long time unless you're totally surrounded by 3 or 4 groups, so as long as you keep an eye on things you don't really have to worry). On the other hand, if you like being in the thick of it with an armour tank, you will definitely need some way to get your cap back. Personally I like cap boosters. You only really need 3 or 4 800s in cargo for any mission in the worst case scenario I'd say, which doesn't take up that much space. But if you like kiting, the armour tank is better than the shield tank because you can have an AB in there and an Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Nav comp and Drone Nav Link, so you can be kiting and popping the leading edge of the crowd chasing you with your (manually target-engaged) drones from about 50-55km km average, and their guns hardly even get a chance to dent your un-pimped shields. _ber-kiting with massively ranged drones like this is good fun (well for me anyway ). The passive shield tank is definitely fun to try though, I highly recommend it for a nice change of style. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Onezen Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.03.28 08:18:00 - [106] I have always used an armor tanked Myrm in missions when I was doing lvl. 3's and it worked well, but this whole passive shield tank thing has aroused my curiosity. How viable is a passive shield tanked Myrm for PvP??
RisingStar1971	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:30:00 - [107] My rig: 2 650 long range art 1 720 howl 1 smartbomb (whatever i have atm) 2 short range 480s (could be 420s, servers down atm but im pretty sure there 480s, I think of them as carronades, they preform the same function) target painter med shield boost 10mn burner med armor repair tracking computer w/ opt range script Low slot Typically 3 power opt. one CPU boost and a 100mm plating Most of this is loot, thats why its so under equipped, BUT, it does preform well in most NPC missions so far. The LRA works quite well, the only problems are mid range for the 480s, but a quick burn to close the range to 5000ms or less invites a smartbomb followed by massive holes in the NPC ships :) Star
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:08:00 - [108] Originally by: Onezen I have always used an armor tanked Myrm in missions when I was doing lvl. 3's and it worked well, but this whole passive shield tank thing has aroused my curiosity. How viable is a passive shield tanked Myrm for PvP?? Passive tank gives you a huge tank at the cost of almost all your slots and most of your cap recharge. So you'd have a hard time to fit ewar or run an mwd. So it is great for pve as you tank better then most bs but for pvp you'll be a sitting duck that can eventually fend off a lot of threats but can't really kill em. If you want to use it for pvp you have to drastically reduce the number of spr so that you actually can run some stuff and free up at least 2 slots in your mids.
Shiro She	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:13:00 - [109] Edited by: Shiro She on 08/05/2008 14:14:18 i was just amazed that i was able to get into such an awesome ship within 16 days fine my fittings are not that great (fittings from a thorax) 4xblasters 1scavenger 2xcap booster (that i dont need for the mymradon) 2repairer tank equip too perfect for leval 2 missions lol!
Kaneye Havit	Posted - 2008.06.04 20:55:00 - [110] I've found that it "usually" makes sense to go with whatever the ship-bonuses are. With 4.5M SP's (BC at lvl4) I get the Drone damage and the increased Armor reps. I like to go with: LOWS 1x DCU II 1x SAR II - starts running permanently as shields fail 1x MAR II - occasional boosting 2x EANMs (sometimes switched for rat specifics, but always the passives) 1x Nano - accel & turns a little faster (meh, could probably use something else) MEDS 1x Drone Speed Mod - get to & from targets faster (if they're taking dmg) 1x AB 1x Web - (again, could probably drop) 1x Med Cap Battery (more cap and faster regen) 1x Cap recharger (15% or 18% I think) HIGHS 1x Drone Link Aug - ups control range to same as targetting >60k 1x 250mm Rail (Iron) can hit targets at ~60K to gain aggro 2x 250mm Rails (AM or whatever I happen to have) 1x Med Remote Armor Rep (fix a hurting drone) 1x Tractor Beam - helps my salvager save space, as I can loot on the go DRONES 5x Hammerhead II - highest dmg 5x Valkyrie II - for EX weak or very speedy targets 5x Vespa I - I don't think I've ever even launched these I'm still working on the skills to use Med Arties, I'll switch to those after that (no Cap use (& longer range?)). Maybe dropping the Web for a Sensor Booster (range script probably) to get the aggro from farther away. Without the DCU II on, I get >58% res on all (EX is only ~42% with only the EANM's). If I swap out 1 EANM for the EX res then all resists >47%. I haven't had a lvl3 mission cause me any problems (sometimes I don't even get into armor before I'm done). Rarely run into Cap issues unless I'm trying to run EVERYTHING. Gain aggro, play Congo-Line-Popping, collect loot, Repeat. My drones can catch & 2-3 volley most frigs (sometimes even in 1 volley, Drone Interfacing 4 ). I tend to use the AB just to maintain that ~60k range on bigger targets (BS's like AE lvl3 Bonus room). I think the worst I've ever had was about 80% structure left during a particularly hectic full room aggro (Gallente hulls & DCU II ftw). Thought of trying L4's in it, but figured my (ISK & LP)/hour was better in the easier missions. (My very 1st Post... ever)
Aainti	Posted - 2008.06.05 15:40:00 - [111] Edited by: Aainti on 05/06/2008 15:41:43 Edited by: Aainti on 05/06/2008 15:40:35 Here is my myrmidon setup. only done a few lvl 3s so far but it seems to hold up quite well. My setup is mainnly focused on providing cap for the dual reps and 3 hardeners. Highs 3 200 railguns with plutonium charges Meds Afterburner 2 cap rechargers 2 large cap batteries Lows 2 med armor reps exp,kin and thermal hardeners I have electronics 4 and engineering 4. You can probably cram some other modules in highs with decent fitting skills. When mission running I generally leave hardners on as well as 1 armor rep. It remains cap stable untill you put the rails on and then it decreases slowly. When you drop below say 60% armor activate the second rep
Stazzmo Stealth Assassins	Posted - 2008.06.05 17:22:00 - [112] I wanted to post my Myrmidon setup to see how it compared to everyone else's and as bait for criticism. Hi 4x 250mm Compressed Coil Rail (Antimatter or Tungsten M) 1x Drone Link Augmentor 1x Small Nos (i'm iffy about this spot and i can't fit a Med Nos, perhaps if i went to 200mm rails?) Med 4x Cap Recharger II 1x 10MN Ab (I hate being so slow) Lo 2x Med Rep II 1x Damage Control II 1x EANM 1x N-Type Kin Hardener 1x N-Type Therm Hardener Drones Hammerhead II (always), then mission specific. Rigs (not enough funds yet to blow cash on these) The tank is great for level 3's but the 2 reppers might be overkill? Sometimes in busy rooms, 2 reppers almost isn't enough. I dream of electric sheep.
Dysthyme	Posted - 2008.06.13 22:46:00 - [113] My myrmidon has the following fitting: High: 5x 250mm Railgun T2 with antimatter charges 1x Drone link augmentor Med: 1x 10mn abII, 3x cap recharger II, 1x omnidirectional tracking link or 1x drone navigation computer Lows: 1x MAR named, 2x hardeners, 1x dcu T2, 1x capacitor power relay, 1x overdrive injector or magstab or EANM Capacitor never runs out with all modules active, rails hit at 32.000, drones have bigger range
Spark02	Posted - 2008.06.19 08:45:00 - [114] Edited by: Spark02 on 19/06/2008 08:48:41 I was just wondering whether my Myrmidon could do level 4's. I've heard a lot of conflicting responses as to whether it can or not, and I was just wondering whether it was actually possible with this fit (I'm not certain that it could tank the DPS) Highs: 5x Heavy Neutron Blasters (named at present, will get up to t2 once skilled), Drone Link Augmentor Mediums 10MN AB II 4x Cap Recharger II Lows 2x Medium Armor Repairer II 4x Mission-specific Hardeners (t2) Drones Hammerhead II's Rigs 2x Capacitor Control Circuits 1x Aux nano pump (the one increasing rep amount)
Valmeir Amarr Vox de Lucis	Posted - 2008.08.09 04:55:00 - [115] My current set up: LOWS N-Type Hardener I N-Type Hardener I N-Type Hardener I N-Type Hardener I Medium 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane MIDS Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines HIGHS 200mm Railgun II, Spike M 200mm Railgun II, Spike M 200mm Railgun II, Spike M 200mm Railgun II, Spike M 200mm Railgun II, Spike M 200mm Railgun II, Spike M RIGS Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Hammerhead I x4 I know my set up is overboard with cap recharge in the rigs but I only have Jury Rigging I and that's pretty much all I can use. Also my drone skills aren't all up to par yet so I can only use tech I's right now. I can do 3's with no problems. If there's anything you think I should change let me know.
N3oXr2ii	Posted - 2008.08.18 12:51:00 - [116] for 0.0 ratting i use 5x250mm rails 1x salvager for them bs rats 10mn ab rest t2 cap chargers 2x med repper 3 50% hardeners cap relays rigs 3x ccc this ship will kill rats with ease its fairly fast and has strong tank if u get caught with a nasty red and just use antimatter ammo put a can is aan ss to fill them ammo and loot and just empty it with a hauler when its full you'll prob find that in a good few hours ratting session u will fill the can with loot and salvage i tend to make 50mil isk in a good few hours with bountys and salvage/loot plus it kicks up ur ss if u have been naughty

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