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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
MinTek Conglomerate
75
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:16:06 -
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What if T3 BS would be just a compilation of current t3 dessies and cruisers? I mean subsystems and modes.
I don't really know how to make them not really more powerful than existing pirate BSes. But just in general this would be an interesting ship to play with, both as fitter and pilot.
I will possibly post more here if I come up with more/better ideas (or update this message if it allows me to) |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
Get Off My Lawn
1264
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:20:36 -
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Or you just search for one of the 10015737 other threads where people proposed T3 Battleships... which are a terrible idea and not needed in this game at all.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So, why do I post here?
I'm stubborn.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2955
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:24:53 -
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At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3591
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:26:29 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now.
Isn't that called a 'fleet'? |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2955
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:29:56 -
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Danika Princip wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now. Isn't that called a 'fleet'?
They claim they need lots of EHP to handle the alpha from sleepers.
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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
MinTek Conglomerate
75
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Posted - 2015.07.09 18:35:57 -
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Customization is the most pleasant thing in t3s, and since I kinda prefer BS as a class.. One with customizable hull and stuff is the thing I want. Stats? Well, I don't really care, as long as it's not worse than most other stuff I can fly |
Iain Cariaba
1617
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:00:16 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now. Isn't that called a 'fleet'? They claim they need lots of EHP to handle the alpha from sleepers.
I used to live in a c6, and we did the sites just fine with carriers, dreads, and Lokis. T3 BS is just that, BS.
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I couldn't have said it better.
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James Baboli
Novablasters
980
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:01:30 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now. Isn't that called a 'fleet'? They claim they need lots of EHP to handle the alpha from sleepers.
You do need a small fleet to do unescalated c5/6 sites. as it is, t3 cruisers are best for that by a long shot because of their great mitigation, relatively high DPS and possibly insane EHP.
If you reduce the application of c5/6 sleepers, you can then significantly lower the t3 EHP gained through the buffer subsystems without totally unbalancing wormholes or making t3s entirely useless, or making escalations ridiculously easy.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2511
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:09:56 -
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Example of the proper way to do a Tech 3 thread: Flexible Battleship
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
182
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:20:30 -
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what about FIRST re balance all leftover ships (specially the T3 cruisers) and all modules before we going to even THINK about more T3 ships.
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Seven Koskanaiken
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
1574
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:22:10 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:... which are a terrible idea and not needed in this game at all.
So...like T3 destroyers? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
311
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Posted - 2015.07.09 21:26:42 -
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I do remember there were proposals on the next obvious step of Tier 3 BS turning into Heavy Assault Versions. So really no matter how attractive idea is about T3 BS but there is no need for those. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
29
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Posted - 2015.07.09 23:43:52 -
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No more T3 of anything is needed right now. I'd rather see a slight increase in survivability of the Marauders when venturing solo out of Hi-Sec though. |
HiddenPorpoise
Expendable Miscreants
383
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Posted - 2015.07.10 04:09:13 -
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When I lived in a wormhole we used battlecruisers to do c6 sites, people that say they need T3 level tank are bad, and you are bad for saying T3 Battleships should be a thing. |
RogueHunteer
PH0ENIX COMPANY
Phoenix Company Alliance
20
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Posted - 2015.07.10 04:22:01 -
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I would like to see a gain level system be built for t3's more you use it the more you get from the ship. but hard to say what roles it would play.. you got black ops and high dps bs. make it a middle child ? |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
690
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Posted - 2015.07.10 08:52:11 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote:Customization is the most pleasant thing in t3s, and since I kinda prefer BS as a class.. One with customizable hull and stuff is the thing I want. Stats? Well, I don't really care, as long as it's not worse than most other stuff I can fly
could we have a better reason besides ye olde it will be cool....or I just wants it.
You see even dessies had the, albeit tenuous imo, basis there was not real middle ground to them. t1 dessies to dictors the path. Now me... I said pull bubbles off the dictor to fit guns much better and let the good times roll. Enter the t3d to spice it up....and has been fun for them since then balance wise.
You don't have even this tenuous basis. The only real BS's some people feel are missing are e-war for all (cause caldari has scorpion envy lol...) and maybe a logistics one. Now I don't see these needs tbh...but if I will grant they have a tenuous need. One that if ever met does not need to be done t3 style. |
Tiberius Heth
0
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:00:18 -
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T3 BS would be a menace, just as T3 cruisers and the new T3D are. We do not need more power creep, overpowered nonsense or "wouldn't it be cool if" stuff. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
The Periphery
893
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:08:53 -
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Even if the heavily distorting effects of the existing T3 hull classes had been cured I would not want to see T3 BS introduced.
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Tabyll Altol
Mmmmmh thats nice
96
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Posted - 2015.07.10 14:27:38 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote:What if T3 BS would be just a compilation of current t3 dessies and cruisers? I mean subsystems and modes.
I don't really know how to make them not really more powerful than existing pirate BSes. But just in general this would be an interesting ship to play with, both as fitter and pilot.
I will possibly post more here if I come up with more/better ideas (or update this message if it allows me to)
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
841
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Posted - 2015.07.10 15:00:27 -
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More T3 ships.
Yeah, that wouldn't be terrible for the game at all.
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Aeon Boirelle
The YOLO Factor
C.L.O.N.E
0
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:27:49 -
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James Baboli wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:Danika Princip wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:At some point they may be needed, for T3 cruisers to be balanced properly as a cruiser there will need to be ships capable of doing c5&c6 sites and that would most likely come as a T3 BS. Until then not now. Isn't that called a 'fleet'? They claim they need lots of EHP to handle the alpha from sleepers. You do need a small fleet to do unescalated c5/6 sites. as it is, t3 cruisers are best for that by a long shot because of their great mitigation, relatively high DPS and possibly insane EHP. If you reduce the application of c5/6 sleepers, you can then significantly lower the t3 EHP gained through the buffer subsystems without totally unbalancing wormholes or making t3s entirely useless, or making escalations ridiculously easy.
actually you don't need a fleet to do unescalated c5 sites actually. All you really need is a well fit paladin.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
742
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Posted - 2015.07.15 18:51:36 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:Shade Alidiana wrote:Customization is the most pleasant thing in t3s, and since I kinda prefer BS as a class.. One with customizable hull and stuff is the thing I want. Stats? Well, I don't really care, as long as it's not worse than most other stuff I can fly ... You don't have even this tenuous basis. The only real BS's some people feel are missing are e-war for all (cause caldari has scorpion envy lol...) and maybe a logistics one. Now I don't see these needs tbh...but I will grant they have a tenuous need. One that if ever met does not need to be done t3 style.
Once upon a time the Scorpion used to be a turret boat and a while before the mighty Rokh came along (Trinity I think) someone thought it would be cool to have a bigger Blackbird.
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Juan Mileghere
Incident Command
Spooky Scary Skeletons.
33
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:20:46 -
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only time I might think T3 BSes would be decent is if they're TIER 3 like Attack BCs, yeah, Dread guns on that BS
Blobbing Explained
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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
428
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:24:19 -
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Juan Mileghere wrote:only time I might think T3 BSes would be decent is if they're TIER 3 like Attack BCs, yeah, Dread guns on that BS
A freighter would never pass niarja gate again
The Law is a point of View
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
582
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Posted - 2015.07.16 00:19:39 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote:Customization is the most pleasant thing in t3s, and since I kinda prefer BS as a class.. One with customizable hull and stuff is the thing I want. Stats? Well, I don't really care, as long as it's not worse than most other stuff I can fly
How much customisation do you actually see with T3 though? There aren't really that many viable builds.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
2519
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Posted - 2015.07.16 09:14:25 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Juan Mileghere wrote:only time I might think T3 BSes would be decent is if they're TIER 3 like Attack BCs, yeah, Dread guns on that BS A freighter would never pass niarja gate again
With a 22k volley? It'd be more cost-effective by far to use tornadoes, but then it's even more cost-effective to use catalysts. Some folks would maybe use these to suicide gank, spending more ISK to make up for smaller numbers, but I don't see it being a popular way to do it. Any freighter carrying enough value to cover the loss of that many capital turrets is going to be shot whether or not these ships exist.
edit: 27k volley with meta guns and pirate ammo -- the meta guns aren't vastly more expensive and the pirate ammo is cheap
Pirate ship Nightmare, can you fathom
Larger but with smaller spikes than Phantasm
The Succubus looks meaner
But the Revenant cleaner
Seems as they get bigger, the smaller spikes they has'm
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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
430
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Posted - 2015.07.16 10:27:55 -
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Ship skills, rigs, etc etc. Plus number of turrets, plus overheating, plus fewer people involved means fewer ways to split the loot. Plus it was a joke
GG.
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Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
MinTek Conglomerate
75
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Posted - 2015.07.19 10:16:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Shade Alidiana wrote:Customization is the most pleasant thing in t3s, and since I kinda prefer BS as a class.. One with customizable hull and stuff is the thing I want. Stats? Well, I don't really care, as long as it's not worse than most other stuff I can fly How much customisation do you actually see with T3 though? There aren't really that many viable builds.
Depends on the purpose.
In general, apparently everyone here in the topic failed to realize that I DO NOT NEED more powerful ship. I'm completely ok with the t3 BS being weaker than pirate faction or specialized cruisers (if it goes for ewar).
Also.. t3 dessies are a fun, maybe they ruin someone's gameplay, but I don't think you can ever satisfy absolutely everyone. |
Arla Sarain
559
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Posted - 2015.07.19 12:57:25 -
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Shade Alidiana wrote:
Also.. t3 dessies are a fun, maybe they ruin someone's gameplay, but I don't think you can ever satisfy absolutely everyone.
Yeah.
And those "Someone's" are such a minority. Screw WH folk as well! |
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
MinTek Conglomerate
76
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Posted - 2015.09.18 08:20:42 -
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Arla Sarain wrote:Shade Alidiana wrote:
Also.. t3 dessies are a fun, maybe they ruin someone's gameplay, but I don't think you can ever satisfy absolutely everyone.
Yeah. And those "Someone's" are such a minority. Screw WH folk as well!
Am ready to reply after all.
"someone" depends on point of view. Gankers might ruin freighter pilots' gameplay, concord might ruin gankers'. But there might be some freighter pilots that like the idea of some reasonable dangers on the road, which will feel their gameplay affected by concord buffs as well.
Idk about t3d and wh combination, they weren't there yet back when I lived in wh. Can't guess much problems with them there, though. Tell me? |
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