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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:54:00 -
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Ok so i got my Hype and I think thats all it is is "Hype" cause i cant find a fiting that can beet my megathron, and it seems almost useless for running lvl4's someone prove me wrong and show me a great setup :(
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Leopold Gursky
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Posted - 2006.12.01 02:57:00 -
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The hype about the Hyperion was that it SUCKED. I think you got the wrong end of the stick.
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:29:00 -
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Ok so heres my setups and what works and what doesnt i would like feedback.
First The Hyperion is no good for sniping its tracking bonus is horrible, even with a tracking computer in a mid its not as good as the Megas racial bonus.
I just tried a mission with this setup.
8x Modal Mega Neutron blasters
1x AB 1x Webber 3x T2 cap rechagers
1x Gallente Navy armor rep 3x N-Type armor hardeners ( sometimes 4 depending on mission) 1x T2 Mag stab 1x True Sansha Adaptive nano
T2 medium drones in drone bay
Now I ran Downing the slavers 2 of 2 lvl4 first room was easy, lots of damage and tanking was good, second room almost got pwned if you get webbed you have nothing and no range couldnt get to the towers , had to let drones kill frigs and warp out cause i was low on cap, bloody useless.
any feedback
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus any feedback
Buy a brain, maybe faction, t2 at the least.
If you can't get in range... use longer ranged guns. ----
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GOD****IT!
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Kassidus any feedback
Buy a brain, maybe faction, t2 at the least.
If you can't get in range... use longer ranged guns.
use longer range guns> you apparently dont know anything about this ship and or gallente weapons keep your retarded comments to yourself, and I use the best stuff my skills can afford.
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Foulis
Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
Originally by: Foulis
Originally by: Kassidus any feedback
Buy a brain, maybe faction, t2 at the least.
If you can't get in range... use longer ranged guns.
use longer range guns> you apparently dont know anything about this ship and or gallente weapons keep your retarded comments to yourself, and I use the best stuff my skills can afford.
So... the Hyperion has a hidden nerf that prevents it from equipping railguns, and from its bonus effecting railguns? ****. That sucks. ----
Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GOD****IT!
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.01 04:57:00 -
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yes the hype can fit rails but it cant fit 8 425mm rails and it has no bonus to tracking , its the lack of the tracking that makes it no good for rails.
ALso I already have a megathron that uses rails and it works good for lvl4's my point is the hype cant do anything that my mega already cant, and a Hype with rails is not a good setup for lvl4's.
and like I said with my original post if someone can show me a setup that is good that is better than the megathron please do.
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Arshes Nei
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2006.12.01 10:32:00 -
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Edited by: Arshes Nei on 01/12/2006 10:35:09 Edited by: Arshes Nei on 01/12/2006 10:33:31
Originally by: Kassidus yes the hype can fit rails but it cant fit 8 425mm rails and it has no bonus to tracking , its the lack of the tracking that makes it no good for rails.
ALso I already have a megathron that uses rails and it works good for lvl4's my point is the hype cant do anything that my mega already cant, and a Hype with rails is not a good setup for lvl4's.
and like I said with my original post if someone can show me a setup that is good that is better than the megathron please do.
So to sum it up you found out that the hyperion is not a railgun ship, and that blasters are not a working very well in missions when lots of stuff is shooting you while you are webbed by lots of small stuff your blasters cant track. Therefore you concluded that the hyperion obviously sucks. You further proved that by pointing out that your mega is a better railgun ship.
Dude, your a genius. Dark-Rising |
Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2006.12.01 10:51:00 -
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Well, I haven't tried the ship yet and it's been longer than a donkey's hoo-ha since I ran missions so take this with a pinch of salt, but just from looking at the ship and bonuses I'd have tried fitting a dual rep, cap injected setup with whatever guns fit (8 350s ?). If you need extra tracking, fit a tracking mod.
You'd have had to use drones to kill frigs with your mega anyway, since 425s on a mega don't track that well.
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ShadowlordUK
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Posted - 2006.12.01 11:36:00 -
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Bearing in mind that the devs have already said that tier 3 bs are not supposed to strictly be better then other bs..
They are simply supposed to be the best at a specialised role..
If you are foolish enough to buy a tier 3 bs at super inflated prices right now then... well its your own fault.
P.S. Yes i know the hyperion is the weakest of all the tier 3's... but what makes you think it should be stronger then the mega in the first place?? The devs dont set the player prices...
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Telkanes Serkant
Caldari Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2006.12.01 15:02:00 -
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Edited by: Telkanes Serkant on 01/12/2006 15:04:47 *sigh* Another Gallente newb who dont know that a Hybrid is both Rail and Blasters...
I run mine with 8x 350mm Railguns
Single repper t2 (large) allows 1100 rep per cycle because of bonus (Gallente BS5) Fit tank to suit and either PVP set up mids or Mission runn mids.
(As for the tracking bonuas loss t2 Tracking comp 4TW :) )
Hype is seriously lethal when used right, also unlike the "railgun" rokh it has the 5% bonus to Hybrid damge Which is Rather sweet :)
-Telk Life is a game :) (Downtimes the *****!) |
Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2006.12.01 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 01/12/2006 15:18:20 Eh?
Just fit 8 x 350mm, 2 T2 tracking computers, rest sensor boosters/cap rechargers as you like. In the lows 1 LAR2, 1 DC2, 2-3 hardeners, 1-2 MFS2.
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org
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Posted - 2006.12.01 15:22:00 -
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The ship has a low lock range, and decent speed which reminds me alot of a Tempest. It's not as though you can copy the setups for that ship directly to find the best fitting for this one, but if you use the same principles to fit this ship as you would that one, you should be able to find something that works.
Smaller than the largest long range gun (probably 350's here) afterburner tracking comp capacitor mods tank damage mods
tech II light drones
and, if you can't target out to at least 70km, a sensor mod.
Sometimes a ship just takes a little more work to find the fitting that will work for your playstyle. Try looking over some of the threads on other fast turrets boats (Matari) for hints on how to fit and use it. J.A.F.O.
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Zeromancer
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.01 15:29:00 -
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I currently use this setup on my mission hyperion. High: 8 x 350mm tech2 Mid: 4 x caprecharger 2, 1 tracking comp. Low: 1 core-x lar, 3 x eanm2, 1 damagecontrol, 1 dark blood caprelay The hardeners vary according to missions, i may swap the eanms and damagecontrol for rat spesific hardeners.
Drones: 5x tech2 mediums and 5 tech2 small. ----------------------------------------- I'm baaack!!
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Solaris04
Gallente letter of marque
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Posted - 2006.12.01 16:22:00 -
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i havent tested the new gallente bs, cause i dont have to isk atm but whats about this setup when you are able to fit rigs?
7 350 t2 rails, 1 small tractor beam for some mission loot ab t2, 4 cap rech t2 2 large repairer t2 (or better) 4 hardeners t2 (selected for each mission)
5 med t2 drones and 5 small t2 drones for each faction
and when you can get rigs (i hope they wont be too expensive): 2 t2 rig for better cap rech, 1 t1 rig with bonus for armor repairer or maybe a expl rig t2
you should have enough cap to run the guns and the ab and 1 armor repairer and the hardener and if you get into trouble you can activate your 2nd repairer. hence that you can get 2200 cap repaired with max skills and 2 t2 repairer, thats even more as you get from 1 gang mate which supports you with normal skills and 2 remote repairer.
if this realy works you should be able to make every lvl4 mission alone.
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Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:40:00 -
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WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!. ok with that asside.
Let me get back to my point, why the hell would I take a Hyperion Into a lvl4 mission using 350mm rails when I can use my Megathron which already has 425mm rails , the damage on my mega is Better, and since im sniping that extra rep bonus doesnt matter!.
This isnt like i dont know how to fit my ship and I damn well know rails and blasters are both hybrid weapons, infact ive almost never used blasters before, but you take a ship like the hype which is designed for blasters and I thought well lets see how it works.
And im saying it doesnt, and I also said , show me a setup that works BETTER THAN THE MEGATHRON! not worse or the same, if you havnt noticed is this ship seems to have no purpose.
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Splitter Macdung
Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:52:00 -
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let me see if i get this thread: OP: I bought the wrong ship, help me make it work, give me setups Community: Dont work, ship isnt meant for Y really, try fitting Z instead of A. OP: U R Dumb! I already have C which does Y with Z, but i want this ship to do Y in a differnt way, and you're doodie heads for telling me its not going to work.
Ninny. __________________________________ Vale Heavy Industries "We produce many fine products!(Out of yours if neccessary.)" |
Kassidus
Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2006.12.02 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Splitter Macdung let me see if i get this thread: OP: I bought the wrong ship, help me make it work, give me setups Community: Dont work, ship isnt meant for Y really, try fitting Z instead of A. OP: U R Dumb! I already have C which does Y with Z, but i want this ship to do Y in a differnt way, and you're doodie heads for telling me its not going to work.
Ninny.
No you didnt get it.
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Loud Speaker
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:21:00 -
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Save yourself some hassle and get a domi
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Tyler Lowe
Minmatar DROW Org
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Posted - 2006.12.02 05:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus why the hell would I take a Hyperion Into a lvl4 mission using 350mm rails when I can use my Megathron which already has 425mm rails , the damage on my mega is Better, and since im sniping that extra rep bonus doesnt matter!.
Alright sir, you've completely lost me. Why are you asking for fitting help if you already know how to fit the ship? Being that you already know how to fit for mission running, it is probable no one needed to tell you that in order to efficently run missions your primary weapons need a range of at least 50km. And being that you already know all about hybrids, it is also probable that no one needed to tell you that is not something that is even remotely possible using a hyperion fitted with blasters.
So you post in here to ask rhetorical questions, and then get upset when you are offered the help you asked for.
I think you already said it about as well as I ever could.
Originally by: Kassidus WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU
If you don't like it, sell the ship already and for pity's sake: stop whining J.A.F.O.
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Matrix Aran
Legio Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Splitter Macdung let me see if i get this thread: OP: I bought the wrong ship, help me make it work, give me setups Community: Dont work, ship isnt meant for Y really, try fitting Z instead of A. OP: U R Dumb! I already have C which does Y with Z, but i want this ship to do Y in a differnt way, and you're doodie heads for telling me its not going to work.
Ninny.
Yep, thats pretty much it. ----
Originally by: Wrangler It's a neuralizer.
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Starlit Serenade
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Posted - 2006.12.02 06:11:00 -
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Okay, your problem here is using a blaster ship in the wrong mission. Namely, a mission where you warp into 5 webbers/jammers. Heavy blasters can never hit those 30k frig rats, just because heavy blasters aren't meant to do that. Period. So no matter how awesome the Hyperion is you would still need drones to kill those things. You could potentially kill the turrets (which are in neutron cannon falloff even if you use AM) before your tank dies since the dps in that mission is vicious, but you won't be able to do much else.
Now, before you say that the Hyperion is useless, use that same setup against a mission Mercenary spawn, with those damned Mercenary Overlord blasterboats. Or just any mission where you can kill the webber frigs fast with T2 light drones. I think your setup works, but not for every mission. Hell, I'd love to try that setup on A Case of Kidnapping if I ever get my gunnery skills up to par for the Hyperion.
If you want a ship that can do every level 4 with one uberpown setup, fly a Domi or a Raven. The Hyperion seems to be like the Mega in that you need to play completely differently for every mission.
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Broka Sampson
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Posted - 2006.12.05 14:45:00 -
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Here try this:
High: 8x Neutron blasters Med: 1x T2 AB, 3x T2 cap rechargers Low: 1x T2 LAR, 1x Centum Energized adaptive nano, 1x t2 energized adaptive nano, 1x T2 explosive hardener, 1x T2 Tracking enhancer, 1x capacitor power relay.
5x Medium drone t2, 5x medium ewar or t2 drones
I tanked 3 drone domis and a ton of drone cruiser/frigates with this.
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Sobach
Gallente Fourth Circle
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Posted - 2006.12.06 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
Now I ran Downing the slavers 2 of 2 lvl4 first room was easy, lots of damage and tanking was good, second room almost got pwned if you get webbed you have nothing and no range couldnt get to the towers , had to let drones kill frigs and warp out cause i was low on cap, bloody useless.
any feedback
you know, if you turned your AB on immediately upon entering room 2, and head straight up for the missile batteries, you'll get well within range for the blasters, as the BS's inertia will carry you for awhile if you get it up to speed. I usually get to around 15-17km before I slow down too much, and that's more than enough for my neutrons w/ lead
and you really need to throw that tracking comp in there
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MrLobster
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.12.06 09:55:00 -
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At that range you could hit with Large Blasters with Antimatter :)
I never liked blaster before, but its just so much easier to fit them, and the damage (once in range) is magnificent.
With T2 Neuts, you could end up hitting things at 25km, now thats impressive...
But I will say that Blasters are not good enough for soloing lvl 4, as you need to travel most times to the targets, and those little webbing rat buggers are a pain. ______
Better? - MrLobster |
Dhaeron Lhun
Caldari Eve University
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Posted - 2006.12.10 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus First The Hyperion is no good for sniping its tracking bonus is horrible, even with a tracking computer in a mid its not as good as the Megas racial bonus.
BS. One T1 Tracking comp is as good as the bonus from skill lvl 4 on the Mega, An "Orion" named is only 1% worse than lvl 5, and a T2 is as good as lvl6. Oh wait, lvl 6 ain't possible. Matter of fact, if you use the 1 more midslot the Hyperion has for a Tracking comp II you have better tracking than the Mega.
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Byzan Zwyth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:13:00 -
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well The main reason I got a hyper over a mega/domi was for mining and missions with the same BS. I've mainly been doing lvl3 missions since I'm new with the ship and the server seems to be a bit more laggy since the expansion.
I can see why the hyper cant do lvl4 missions at least as well if not a little better than a mega with it's tanking bonus and better cap/armor.
I think 350mm rails are the way to go. I dont know if it's worth trying duel 250's?
Plus it looks uber ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective |
Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.10 22:37:00 -
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1st know your mission 2nd buy a faction repper, if you can't afford it use 1 LAR 1 MAR 3rd The Homer Simpson school of life " If something is too difficult to do, it's not worth doing"
Hope that helps -----------------------------------------------
Knowing all, when all is unknown.
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Magellan One
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Posted - 2006.12.11 00:20:00 -
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I'm surprised no-one has said to try dual webbers - I've found that to be a far superior option than fitting both tracking comps and tracking links, even on the megathron with it's tracking bonus.
As the hyperion has an extra mid slot over the mega i'd be trying out in the mids - AB, dual fleeting webs, sensor booster, cap booster.
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Hephaesteus
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.12.11 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Magellan One I'm surprised no-one has said to try dual webbers - I've found that to be a far superior option than fitting both tracking comps and tracking links, even on the megathron with it's tracking bonus.
As the hyperion has an extra mid slot over the mega i'd be trying out in the mids - AB, dual fleeting webs, sensor booster, cap booster.
Dual webbers work but, dont forget you need mids for cap and an afterburner. If you go dual webbers and an ab you wont have enough cap to run a perma tank, and as the Hype has one less low slot (which are needed for tank and damage mods) not much room to fit cpr's in there either.
Btw if you fit a Centus X-type you get over 1700 points of rep per cycle at bs 5 -----------------------------------------------
Knowing all, when all is unknown.
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