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Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:12:00 - [1] any chance the crime community can get a bit of love from ccp, i know we got the stab nerf and easy mission killing but how about just one more little bit of love by moving all l4 agents into lowsec? just an idea because it seems all the mission runners now run to highsec. and question to the mission runners, would u quit eve if this happened? or adapt like us?
Mihae Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:24:00 - [2] I am a piwat and a mission runner (2 chars 4tw!), I run missions in highsec (that way I can do them afk :P). If they moved them into lowsec I think everyone would move into 0.0 because of better reward / risk. It's a Kitty ffs!
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Saltire any chance the crime community can get a bit of love from ccp, i know we got the stab nerf and easy mission killing but how about just one more little bit of love by moving all l4 agents into lowsec? just an idea because it seems all the mission runners now run to highsec. and question to the mission runners, would u quit eve if this happened? or adapt like us? Sounds like a good idea, however, they will run Level 3 agents. And if level 3 agents go into low sec only too, they will run Level 2 agents. And if level 2 agents go into low sec only too, they will run Level 1 agents. And if level 1 agents go into low sec only too, they will either mine in hi-sec, or quit. Because when faced with their options, missions don't make enough ISK to replace everything you own every time you peek your head out into low sec. Adapt like you? Yeah it takes a lot of adapting to "point click OMG I FOUND J00 HAHAHA" You complain that low sec is empty, but at the same time you obliberate everything with a 10 to 1 gank squad that tries to go into low sec. And you wonder why low sec is empty? You don't want more people in low sec, you want more easy ganks.
Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:35:00 - [4] you sound angry
Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:38:00 - [5] A interesting idea is to have all high qulity lvl 3 ans 4 in low. and only neg quality in high. Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Saltire you sound angry I'm not angry, I haven't lost anything. But I am tired of you guys complaining that low sec is empty. Its not empty because theres nothing good there, but because the risk vs reward is astronomical risk with little reward. Who is going to risk taking their ship with 250M worth of mods, into low sec, to do a mission that might get them maybe 5 million if they are lucky? Now, if pirates didnt make 10 to 1 gank squads, but spread out more, so the mission runner felt like he had a chance to be able to fight back, he might jump in. But that's too risky for the pirates. There is nothing risky about jumping lone mission runner with 10 battleships, and the reward far exeedes whatever he would have made finishing the mission.
Bardi MecAuldnis Amarr Pirates of Destruction Union	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:50:00 - [7] 10 BS's? Dayum, where have you been missioning? The only time I've seen 10 BS's together (outside 0.0) was to repel an "Egyptian Pirate" attack. Ah well, Live and Let Die. --- Hey hey let's go kenka suru! Taisetsuna mono protect my balls! Boku ga warui so lets fighting! LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!!
Jennifer Meek Gallente Planck Bubble Generation Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.02 17:54:00 - [8] Edited by: Jennifer Meek on 02/12/2006 17:56:42 Originally by: Bardi MecAuldnis 10 BS's? Dayum, where have you been missioning? The only time I've seen 10 BS's together (outside 0.0) was to repel an "Egyptian Pirate" attack. Ah well, Live and Let Die. You know what I meant, what I meant was, pirates tend to always outnumber their prey by a very large amount. Because they don't want to lose their ships. Which is the same reason why players don't go into low sec, they don't want to lose their ships.
Klyria	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:21:00 - [9] Look I no pirate, but I do operate in low sec space for bounties and the slightly better ores, rare huh. Anyway my point is most pirates don't even bother with you if your a) in a small ship, such as a mining cruiser b) smart enough to not to shoot your mouth off c) also smart enough to equip a ship with anti pirate stuff on it when you run low sec missions. My point is the lower sec you go in the safer you are. I live in .3 and have been attacked in the span of 1-2.5 months maybe 3 times, and only once by more than one person at a time.
Izo Azlion Veto.	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Originally by: Saltire you sound angry I'm not angry, I haven't lost anything. But I am tired of you guys complaining that low sec is empty. Its not empty because theres nothing good there, but because the risk vs reward is astronomical risk with little reward. So what your saying is theres nothing good there, because the payout is less. Wow, you sure blew yourself out of the water there! Izo Azlion. --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.02 18:46:00 - [11]
LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:19:00 - [12] Edited by: LittleTerror on 02/12/2006 20:27:17 All lvl 4 agents in lowsec plz, I have done lvl 4 missions and they make so much isk, if people can't be bothered to keep an eye on local they deserve to die, with the new local and standings showing etc. Why not just set local pirates to -10 so you can see them, you get over 24 hours to complete a lvl 4 mission, so umm you can get your over 20 mill isk in 10 minutes later perhapes. /edit omg think of how that would make a better market, with producers moving to lowsec, its a risk vs reward thing again, it would be a perfect balance. Well atm I don't care if they make it easyer for the non pvper to enter lowsec and live there, so long as theres someone in lowsec to fight etc I don't care. ATM its so dead, cos there is nothing here and its not worth it, 0.0 sucks even more, the npc's have bountys a little higher but FFS lvl4 mission pay more and every so often you get a nice implant... 0.0 NPC's drop mostly junk and the ore is crap, except for like 1 or 2 systems which are totaly camped down by alliances. There is not point in going to lowsec or 0.0 its as simple as that and it needs changing. ___________________________________________________ I want your stuff
Druid R Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Jennifer Meek You know what I meant, what I meant was, pirates tend to always outnumber their prey by a very large amount. Because they don't want to lose their ships. Which is the same reason why players don't go into low sec, they don't want to lose their ships. so because we take the time to work in a cohesive group with ship/settings in this MMOPG (see multiplayer part there) and the mission runners are solo isk loving *****s its our fault its empty. and as for not making enough isk every time they go into low sec to replace their losses how do u think we do u have gate protecting u, anybody and everybody can shoot at me whenever, and often do, yet i make more isk than i lose, so how hard can it be for you. /sign that every 'good' lvl 4 agent and top 50% of most rewarding (in terms of isk from bounties and loot) and all missions that can drop faction gear are moved to low sec or 0.0
Levin Milraco	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:43:00 - [14] Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 20:48:43 bah, not again.../rant on if you guys want pvp so much, join privateers, (oh wait, perhaps half you guys are looking for easy kills...not a real fight... ) and yeah, it takes 2 minutes to probe out and kill mission runners already. any more nerf and might as well CCP hand mission runners on a plate to us. and yeah, some (or ALOT) of mission runners wont touch low sec with a stick, since alot of pirates are just CS kiddies looking for points for their killboards. (which is rather annoying sometimes... i been around groups that rather have a killmail of a HAC than a reasonable Fat ransom...) if you move lvl 4s to low sec, they just do lvl 3, if thats moved to low sec too, they just do lvl 2 or CANCEL... I REPEAT.. forcing people by taking away something they ALREADY have from them DOESNT work... it works better if you are ADDING something new and shiny (like the 0.0 drugs CCP just put in...) to LURE people out.... or maybe You guys just dont get it.. you cant force someone into doing what you want over the internet... they can just log off just as easy when you **** them off/make them feel like secound class citizens.. you WANT more people in low sec? FINE... do the following A) stop killing everybody you see, RANSOM... reasonably... usually the insure cost of the ship or half the price of a Tech 2...and leave them alone for awhile while they make more money for you!!! B) Do a protection racket... have people pay you to leave you alone AND protect them.. C) STOP GATE CAMPs.... if they cant get in. they wont bother. D) Roleplay alittle, make the experience alittle more pleasent for your victim!!! trust me... it helps. they might hire you for protection later. E) Stop trying to have CCP Breastfeeding you, it make the rest of us looks bad. I am just glad the smart/good pirates adapted, heck, theres a few threads on what to do already, READ THEM.. ----------------- now, if the OP's Idea is to add in shiny new lvl 5 missions in low sec and 0.0 (thats what they are planning anyways..) then it would work.... but yea, right now is so easy to find and kill mission runners is not even funny.... and yeah, the levels 4s ALREADY got nerfed before...IE: world collide lvl 4, only low sec verisons have the speical bells and whristles.. AND I am pretty sure faction gear only drop in low sec and 0.0 already...
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:43:00 - [15] Meh, running missions in low-sec isn't that bad. You just have to find the right system, and make the right friends.
Sinphulee Yurs Minmatar DarkVengeance	Posted - 2006.12.02 20:47:00 - [16] Originally by: Druid R Originally by: Jennifer Meek You know what I meant, what I meant was, pirates tend to always outnumber their prey by a very large amount. Because they don't want to lose their ships. Which is the same reason why players don't go into low sec, they don't want to lose their ships. so because we take the time to work in a cohesive group with ship/settings in this MMOPG (see multiplayer part there) and the mission runners are solo isk loving *****s its our fault its empty. and as for not making enough isk every time they go into low sec to replace their losses how do u think we do u have gate protecting u, anybody and everybody can shoot at me whenever, and often do, yet i make more isk than i lose, so how hard can it be for you. /sign that every 'good' lvl 4 agent and top 50% of most rewarding (in terms of isk from bounties and loot) and all missions that can drop faction gear are moved to low sec or 0.0 Now thats angry!!
LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:13:00 - [17] Edited by: LittleTerror on 02/12/2006 21:15:11 Originally by: Levin Milraco Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 20:48:43 bah, not again.../rant on if you guys want pvp so much, join privateers, (oh wait, perhaps half you guys are looking for easy kills...not a real fight... ) and yeah, it takes 2 minutes to probe out and kill mission runners already. any more nerf and might as well CCP hand mission runners on a plate to us. and yeah, some (or ALOT) of mission runners wont touch low sec with a stick, since alot of pirates are just CS kiddies looking for points for their killboards. (which is rather annoying sometimes... i been around groups that rather have a killmail of a HAC than a reasonable Fat ransom...) if you move lvl 4s to low sec, they just do lvl 3, if thats moved to low sec too, they just do lvl 2 or CANCEL... I REPEAT.. forcing people by taking away something they ALREADY have from them DOESNT work... it works better if you are ADDING something new and shiny (like the 0.0 drugs CCP just put in...) to LURE people out.... or maybe You guys just dont get it.. you cant force someone into doing what you want over the internet... they can just log off just as easy when you **** them off/make them feel like secound class citizens.. you WANT more people in low sec? FINE... do the following A) stop killing everybody you see, RANSOM... reasonably... usually the insure cost of the ship or half the price of a Tech 2...and leave them alone for awhile while they make more money for you!!! B) Do a protection racket... have people pay you to leave you alone AND protect them.. C) STOP GATE CAMPs.... if they cant get in. they wont bother. D) Roleplay alittle, make the experience alittle more pleasent for your victim!!! trust me... it helps. they might hire you for protection later. E) Stop trying to have CCP Breastfeeding you, it make the rest of us looks bad. I am just glad the smart/good pirates adapted, heck, theres a few threads on what to do already, READ THEM.. ----------------- now, if the OP's Idea is to add in shiny new lvl 5 missions in low sec and 0.0 (thats what they are planning anyways..) then it would work.... but yea, right now is so easy to find and kill mission runners is not even funny.... and yeah, the levels 4s ALREADY got nerfed before...IE: world collide lvl 4, only low sec verisons have the speical bells and whristles.. AND I am pretty sure faction gear only drop in low sec and 0.0 already... Go play the sims, it will be much easyer and more fun, honestly whats so fun about shooting something that can't even put up a decent fight, instead NPCing in eve we have a blob of NPC's. Which lags like hell at times total OVERKILL and npc's that fire one torp every 10 seconds omg Wake me up when its finnished ZZZzz... I hardly ever had to boost my shields once i did mostly lvl 4 missions. Tiller in our corp has 2 flipping dreads a nice set of implants, yeah he made alot of isk and never got scanned out. LVL 4 missions are unbalanced, at least they could move them into lowsec or make them harder so you little loners have to team up together to get things done like the rest of us. ___________________________________________________ I want your stuff
Levin Milraco	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:45:00 - [18] Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 21:57:11 haha, "go play the sims" thats a new one. /rant off All I am saying is the old argument on moving lvl 4 doesnt work...only works in one perspective. and it creates more anmosity in the community than other alternatives. the best solution is one that everybody gains, such as adding lvl 5s to low sec/0.0 (like what CCP did with combat boosters/gas clouds) the adding lvl 5 to low sec and 0.0 thing is great, 1st, pirates gain more target when people try them out, 2nd, mission runners dont lose anything that they have for this to happen, Oh and they can profit from lvl 5s if they prepared for it and ready for the pirates. and lastly, is new, it doesnt take away what people already have, instead it gives them a choice to choose if they want to risk it for something new...so it doesnt **** off as many people.. hmmm, another analogy of this is...the broken T2 lottery ...it was a bad idea, but is CCP gonna take the BPOs away from the holders right now?... no, they added in invention and think of releasing more T2 bpos... and the way of "fixing" mission would probly best take the same approach... by adding NEW stuff. (hey maybe lvl 5 will be a challenge for those who thinks lvl 4 are a cakewalk.) as for lvl 4 being easy, well, for some people, who are UBeZor/LeEt.. yeah, is easy, but not everyone can do that. (funny how people still lose ships in empire high sec more than other places on average during a day...look around mission agents on the map and set map to "ship lost in the last 24 hours" dont believe me? see for yourself. that most people errr sucks when compared to you. oh leet one...) now, I dont mind they up the mission differculty across the board...but then the people who cant bleeze though it wont be able to do it at all.. haha... oh. and time and again, in online games, the concept of Player justice doesnt work... and quite frankley, theres more of us pirates than anti's Take a look at UO's early history... (in case you havnt noticed, alot of what I say takes other people's perspective in mind . I did mention putting lvl 5s in low sec-0.0 didnt I?...I support ADDING to low sec to make it more attractive....)
Verus Potestas Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Mihae I am a piwat and a mission runner (2 chars 4tw!), I run missions in highsec (that way I can do them afk :P). If they moved them into lowsec I think everyone would move into 0.0 because of better reward / risk. You lie Mihae, you've never run a mission in your life, you evil pirate Between corps atm, the NPC one is strictly a temporary thing. RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.02 21:55:00 - [20] Originally by: Levin Milraco Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 21:47:53 haha, "go play the sims" thats a new one. /rant off you might like sims pets as well... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Scoundrelus Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.02 22:19:00 - [21] Originally by: Jennifer Meek Adapt like you? Yeah it takes a lot of adapting to "point click OMG I FOUND J00 HAHAHA" You complain that low sec is empty, but at the same time you obliberate everything with a 10 to 1 gank squad that tries to go into low sec. And you wonder why low sec is empty? You don't want more people in low sec, you want more easy ganks. Thy bitterness speaketh many volumes my child. =============================================== And Scoundrelus walked the Forums once again, and all was turned to flame...
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.02 22:33:00 - [22] Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 22:39:28 yes move the higher paying missions to low/no sec @whiny carebears. 1. bring a few friends of your own gasp 2. Bring a ship that can fend off the lone noob pirate(most of what's out there) 3. learn 2 play? ktnx 4. go play wow/eq2/50million other carebear mmos?
Samirol Ore Mongers	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:10:00 - [23] Originally by: Major Stormer A interesting idea is to have all high qulity lvl 3 ans 4 in low. and only neg quality in high. i have brought this up several times, it is the greatest compromise. click my sig
Loretta Tong	Posted - 2006.12.02 23:45:00 - [24] hmm, is there an arguement around here besides: learn to play, dont carebear, go back to high sec or general insults to other people? cause I dont see any arguments in this thread that would improve the community as a whole, (in a way that increases subscriptions) Maybe Levin's if he would word it in a way that is easier to read. but he got an idea right. you catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Adding is good, taking is bad. Originally by: Samirol Originally by: Major Stormer A interesting idea is to have all high qulity lvl 3 ans 4 in low. and only neg quality in high. i have brought this up several times, it is the greatest compromise. well, thing is, that doesnt change much than what it already is right now... the best agents rewards/pay ARE already in low sec.. and that didnt work well did it?
Soporo	Posted - 2006.12.03 01:16:00 - [25] Just think, Devs have talked about figuring out how to Dictor Low Sec too, boy that'll bring em in droves...jebus!
Frisky Minx	Posted - 2006.12.03 01:40:00 - [26] Edited by: Frisky Minx on 03/12/2006 01:46:43 "Look mommy!, is dat a weal piwat?" What, no baby, real pirates don't live in empire, those are whaana-be's, now, give them that special wave that i taught you..."
Zell Caldari The Black Raptors	Posted - 2006.12.03 01:53:00 - [27] Edited by: Zell on 03/12/2006 01:54:43 Originally by: Levin Milraco Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 20:48:43 E) Stop trying to have CCP Breastfeeding you, it make the rest of us looks bad. ============== Quoted for the absolute truth.. ============== "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
Conrad Rock	Posted - 2006.12.03 03:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Saltire and question to the mission runners, would u quit eve if this happened? or adapt like us? pirates adapt by begging CPP for even MORE favors?
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 04:23:00 - [29] all lvl 4s to lowsec + increase rewards from lvl 4s would be fairer i think :) *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*
slothe Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.12.03 04:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Taedrin Meh, running missions in low-sec isn't that bad. You just have to find the right system, and make the right friends. yep *Before complaining about any ship try flying Minmatar*

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