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Gonada
Gallente
Cross Roads
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:46:00 -
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heres a great idea, why dont you griefers get a life and quit trying to ruin the game for the majority of players in eve.
-I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.-
-nerf Missles-
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:51:00 -
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Before Kali.
Uber raven. lvl 4's in Gyerzen all day. (when I get on)
After Kali.
Command Ships, HAC's, Recon Ships, Ceptors. Pirating in low sec (when I get on)
Now my only problem is finding another source of income 
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2006.12.03 04:58:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Levin Milraco
Edited by: Levin Milraco on 02/12/2006 20:48:43
bah, not again.../rant on
if you guys want pvp so much, join privateers, (oh wait, perhaps half you guys are looking for easy kills...not a real fight... )
and yeah, it takes 2 minutes to probe out and kill mission runners already.
any more nerf and might as well CCP hand mission runners on a plate to us.
and yeah, some (or ALOT) of mission runners wont touch low sec with a stick, since alot of pirates are just CS kiddies looking for points for their killboards.
(which is rather annoying sometimes... i been around groups that rather have a killmail of a HAC than a reasonable Fat ransom...)
if you move lvl 4s to low sec, they just do lvl 3, if thats moved to low sec too, they just do lvl 2 or CANCEL...
I REPEAT.. forcing people by taking away something they ALREADY have from them DOESNT work...
it works better if you are ADDING something new and shiny (like the 0.0 drugs CCP just put in...) to LURE people out....
or maybe You guys just dont get it.. you cant force someone into doing what you want over the internet... they can just log off just as easy when you **** them off/make them feel like secound class citizens..
you WANT more people in low sec?
FINE... do the following
A) stop killing everybody you see, RANSOM... reasonably... usually the insure cost of the ship or half the price of a Tech 2...and leave them alone for awhile while they make more money for you!!!
B) Do a protection racket... have people pay you to leave you alone AND protect them..
C) STOP GATE CAMPs.... if they cant get in. they wont bother.
D) Roleplay alittle, make the experience alittle more pleasent for your victim!!! trust me... it helps. they might hire you for protection later.
E) Stop trying to have CCP Breastfeeding you, it make the rest of us looks bad.
I am just glad the smart/good pirates adapted, heck, theres a few threads on what to do already, READ THEM..
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now, if the OP's Idea is to add in shiny new lvl 5 missions in low sec and 0.0 (thats what they are planning anyways..) then it would work....
but yea, right now is so easy to find and kill mission runners is not even funny....
and yeah, the levels 4s ALREADY got nerfed before...IE: world collide lvl 4, only low sec verisons have the speical bells and whristles..
AND I am pretty sure faction gear only drop in low sec and 0.0 already...
Im assuming your new. Let us clarify.
1. Ransoming rarely works, 90% of the time they flip out, curse you for a few minutes or just remain silent, and try to fight back even though they have 10 hull are scrambled and webbed.
2. Protection is unrealistic. people play at totally driffrent times and places, no ones going to pay to have some guy that just tried to kill them come and shadow them in 0.4's so they can kill cruiser rats.
3. Do you want us to stop camping belts too?
4. Role play is fun. however, as in #1, people are usually too angry to roleplay.
Oh and too original poster. If my agent was moved to 0.0, I would just join whatever alliance controlled its space, and go play with him there, and enjoy the fact im getting 3x more LP beucase its 0.0
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slothe
Caldari
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.03 05:06:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Gonada
heres a great idea, why dont you griefers get a life and quit trying to ruin the game for the majority of players in eve.
dude chill.
oh and i reckon your macheriel is either going to be blown up in around 5 days if you carry on using it, or just gather dust in your hangar.
have fun...and dont be paranoid flying around lowsec 
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.12.03 06:21:00 -
[35]
*Cleaned*
Please do not troll one another based on playing style, there are enough variances to cater for us all.
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Dane Hur
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.12.03 10:31:00 -
[36]
Moving lvl 4 agents out ind low sec is a great way to get 75-90% of the high sec missionrunners to leave Eve.
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Skyraker7
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:17:00 -
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/signed
Also put some crokite in <0.5 and see some real changes.
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Skyraker7
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:24:00 -
[38]
Also lets lose the insurance on ships... most ships I fly now I don't even bother to insure as they're tech 2 or faction. On a CNR I get back 111m on a 1 bil isk ship, not to mention the mods.
It would at least make ransoming tech 1 ships worthwhile again.
Piracy has had to put up with nerf after nerf over the last two years... most of us didn't quit, we just adapted.
Lv4 missions are lv4 for a reason, they should involve some risk to the player.... as a compromise lose the ability for the mission to be probed. At least ppl will be in system.
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d026
Herrscher der Zeit
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Posted - 2006.12.03 12:51:00 -
[39]
Quote:
i know we got the stab nerf
looser:p
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:16:00 -
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"Carebears" are pvp adverse. We do not seek pvp, we do not enjoy pvp, and we avoid pvp whenever possible.
I will make this perfectly clear for you on the other side of the fence from us.
You will not be able to force us into pvp. That goal is simply not achievable. You will not change our play style to suit yours. It will not happen.
There are some of us that are 100% unwilling to participate in pvp. There are some of us that will try it out every now and then. There are some of us that like the added rush of doing something in lowsec knowing that there is added risk.
Most of us however will avoid situations that are too risky if we can help it.
Before Kali, lowsec was not without risk, but it was also reasonably safe if you were observant. Thusly, lowsec was populated by some of us.
This last patch has gone to the other end of the spectrum and you are going to suffer the consequences for that. You will have less targets.
Removing level 4 agents from highsec will accomplish nothing. Removing level 3 agents from highsec will accomplish nothing. Reducing all agents in highsec to negative quality will accomplish nothing.
The only thing you can accomplish by these type of suggestions is to remove us from the game entirely. If you are starving for targets now...
If I was on your side I would be asking to return some of the safety that was in lowsec that was removed with Kali to entice us back into lowsec.
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:40:00 -
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Q: If there are that many people interested in PvP in low-sec, why aren't those people busy guys fighting each other?
Solve that problem, and you solve you lack of targets.
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Bill Shankly
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Posted - 2006.12.03 14:56:00 -
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Edited by: Bill Shankly on 03/12/2006 14:57:24
If the solo mission runners actually bothered to gang up instead of playing solo, then the 10 to 1 ganging wouldnt happen.
If you dont want to then this is a MMORPG, you deserve to die if you insist on playing alone.
And if you dont want to pvp, please stop using the market, or think about what you are saying.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
If the solo mission runners actually bothered to gang up instead of playing solo, then the 10 to 1 ganging wouldnt happen.
If all mission runners started forming gangs, the only thing to change would be the ratios. Instead of 10 to 1, it would change to 20 to 3.
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Demora Anglis
Amarr
The Splinter Syndicate
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Q: If there are that many people interested in PvP in low-sec, why aren't those people busy guys fighting each other?
Solve that problem, and you solve you lack of targets.
Give anybody with a negative sec status free-for-all target status, much like outlaws in -5.0 sec status at the moment.
Actually, dang, that's an interesting idea. Of course, only make it applicable in low-sec, but it would allow pirates to shoot each other. As of right now, most targets in low-sec are in belts, and any respectable PVP'er won't be sitting in a belt unless they're shooting somebody or waiting for somebody to shoot at (the second one doesn't happen too often). If you free up the opportunity to shoot at gates, things suddenly become much more interesting.
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Merdaneth
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Posted - 2006.12.03 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Bill Shankly
Edited by: Bill Shankly on 03/12/2006 14:57:24
If the solo mission runners actually bothered to gang up instead of playing solo, then the 10 to 1 ganging wouldnt happen.
If you dont want to then this is a MMORPG, you deserve to die if you insist on playing alone.
Are you a pirate? If so, then if what you suggest would actually take place, if two people actually ran one mission together, what would you do, how would you adapt?
Oh, and this is also an invitation to you to gang up with me and do missions in low-sec. As an anti-pirate guard. I hope you will like it.
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.03 16:48:00 -
[46]
I hope they move all lvl4's and highqual lvl3s and increase the rewards on em. Highend ore in lowsec would perhaps have crashed the highend ore market while the lowend ore got more expensive so I don't think thats a good idea, if you're gonna give lowsec roids some love wich is needed it needs serious thinking.
Those of you saying that 95% of the mission runners in eve would quit if this happens...
I say AWESOME :D Perhaps regular people who doesn't farm missions can afford CNR's and faction mods, t2 demand decreases and stuff generally gets cheaper, plus I don't lag to hell everytime I visit Jita.
Go ahead and quit, and can I have your stuff ? 
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Muran Corrod
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Posted - 2006.12.03 17:52:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Saltire
any chance the crime community can get a bit of love from ccp, i know we got the stab nerf and easy mission killing but how about just one more little bit of love by moving all l4 agents into lowsec? just an idea because it seems all the mission runners now run to highsec.
and question to the mission runners, would u quit eve if this happened? or adapt like us?
I dont see adaption, I see you begging CCP to make more changes to hand defenseless targets to you on a silver platter.
Pirates have it pretty good since the last patch, and if reading all the posts in the C&P section are any indication, Revelations turned pirating into a free for all shopping spree in lowsec. There appears to be zero risk in pirating now, and huge rewards, all the risk is now on the mission runners and miners in lowsec, thats not at all balanced.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Caldari
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.03 18:03:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Lucifer Fellblade on 03/12/2006 18:03:04
Originally by: Kumu Honua
"Carebears" are pvp adverse. We do not seek pvp, we do not enjoy pvp, and we avoid pvp whenever possible.
I will make this perfectly clear for you on the other side of the fence from us.
You will not be able to force us into pvp. That goal is simply not achievable. You will not change our play style to suit yours. It will not happen.
The point is not to force Carebears to PvP. It is to force Carebears to coordinate with PvP players to create something based on teamwork and player interaction.
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2006.12.04 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
The point is not to force Carebears to PvP. It is to force Carebears to coordinate with PvP players to create something based on teamwork and player interaction.
Exactly what kind of coordination are you expecting?
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Sun Win
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2006.12.04 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Frank Horrigan
Im assuming your new. Let us clarify.
1. Ransoming rarely works, 90% of the time they flip out, curse you for a few minutes or just remain silent, and try to fight back even though they have 10 hull are scrambled and webbed.
I don't know if you're hunting in the wrong place or if I am but I have not ONCE had any smack at all from any of my victims. Not once.
Wait, that's a lie. One guy swore at me, closed the convo and then self destructed his pod, which was pretty hilarious but aside from that everyone is willing to pay or at least friendly-ish about dying.
The only smack I ever get is from other pirates and PVP'ers determined to try make me feel weak for not allowing them to gank me or being angry that I ganked them.
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Styre Blixtsnabb
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Posted - 2006.12.04 05:08:00 -
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From my personal experience I have come up with two possible reasons why players camp gates.
1.) Carebears are really scary and need to be ganged up on.
2.) Pirates just like to cuddle.
On a serious note though. Pirates need to accept that carebears are part of the game
and need to be allowed the choice to play their own way. Carebears need to understand
that pirates have the same right to play how they wish. No one should be trying to force
a play style on anyone else. Pirates and PvP'ers if you really want some action declare war
on one another, becuase does getting a kill mail that says 10 players joined up to kill one
easy target really make you feel good at EVE? Take on some real targets players that act and
think like you do.
As a note I have gone 0.0 . I have survived and I have also blown up. I have been in a "gank"
squad and "personally" I did not enjoy the easy kills. It wasn't until a larger better force
jumped in to fight us that I began to enjoy the encounter. I'm sure deep down you feel the same way.
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DimiTrip
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Posted - 2006.12.04 08:38:00 -
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Pirates :)
I see pirates adapt to changes really quick - cuz they likt to PVP.
It's all about quick reactions hehe.
In some lowsec system we noticed a nice trio of pirates.
one prober on buzzard and another two are simple gankers.
So we monitor them - and yes - gang up all together.
outcome - pirate is happy that he warpscrambled - jammed - dumpened a "poor" mission runner - and second after that the pirate hardly manages to warp his pod.
I am a mission runner.
I love fitting ships. trying mods - and i never thought i like PVP.
but - look at piracy this way: Pirate is a Faction spawn.
Sometimes it drops VERY nice and expencive loot.
for example - same guy on same mega dropped TS latrge rep twice.
Some guy on HAC filled my cargohold with t2 stuff (most of it i can't even use lol).
Think when u do missions.
and not about your wallet but what will u do if u be jumped by pirates.
Fighting pirates is fun - and quite proffitable - if u do things right.
Another strange thing...
in local i hear pirates whining about us "blobbing" them.
but here i see the "lack of targets" whining.
well.....
PVP is MORE fun then missions.
and expirienced mission runner - who used to tank more DPS that eny pirate can produce should have no problem fighting them off.
BTW - i am antypirate and my secstats dropped to -4.7 again :(((((
mabe CCP should think about somehow make AP more happy?
fly safe all
and GF!!!
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 09:27:00 -
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Funny i have been in low sec for all time since kali in. Not a single tme i saw aprobe in scanner neither we were probed and that in infested by piraets systems like otou.
The only thing it MUST be done is get rid of gate campers. They REDUCE real piracy since they make carebears afreid to go even inside a low sec. Make sentrie guns 10 times stronger (yeahh that is for you ginger magician... your blockaade in haligur prejudicces all real pirates in low sec on region since you block main entrance to low sec from there).
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DimiTrip
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:01:00 -
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pirate enters the system - warps to SS and starting scanning belts or probing for missioners.
we wait and when pirate does what he predicted to do - we strike:)
now please someone please explain to me what carebear is?
(i know those are small fuzzy bears in different colors - but what do u mean when u call someone a carebear?)
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Kagura Nikon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 10:34:00 -
[55]
Originally by: DimiTrip
pirate enters the system - warps to SS and starting scanning belts or probing for missioners.
we wait and when pirate does what he predicted to do - we strike:)
now please someone please explain to me what carebear is?
(i know those are small fuzzy bears in different colors - but what do u mean when u call someone a carebear?)
we make is simpler.. we sit a fat amarian tank only ship named BAIT (seriously).. and wait in ss.. when pirate attack it.. it has 2 ebs and 1 2 point scramble and MWD to glue to it and 4 to 6 nos to help :) then we jump in with dozen of cheap cruisers :)
We got a deimos last night while we were in bellicoses (3 cruisers) :)
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DimiTrip
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Posted - 2006.12.04 12:40:00 -
[56]
cute :)
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Amiable Quinn
Minmatar
Lasleinur Production
Fimbulwinter
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Amiable Quinn on 04/12/2006 16:17:56
I don't understand if folks are so keen to PvP why don't they just avail themselves of the options:
1. Head to 0.0. I hear there is, on occassion, some PvP there. (It's fun too, you will change from hunter to hunted very quickly).
2. Wardec some high sector corps. That way you keep your sec status AND (if you war dec a big corp) have plenty of war targets.
3. Keep looking for the stray low-sec noob and gank/ransom them. Maintain group op gate camps with a dedicated tank. I believe tiller has some terrific threads describing how this can be done.
Why oh why are the "pirates" complaining? Simple, all of the above activities smack of:
1. Effort and/or
2. The possibility that they may lose.
Low-sec is underpopulated? Gee I find that hard to believe considering it the most dangerous place in eve (with the possible exception of 0.0 in the middle of a territorial war) and it has the worst risk/reward ratio. No rational person is going to organize a pve raiding party to head into low sec when if you are going to bother with that level of organization you can just head to 0.0 or make more money individualy running ops in high sec.
Catch the clue bus: CCP WILL NEVER MOVE LEVEL 4 AGENTS TO LOW SEC BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS TO DO SO!
CCP has given you plenty of options to engage in non-consensual PvP. You may not like them for the 2 reasons mentioned above, but they are there. If you will notice some terrific pirate corps (notably Veto.) have already changed their modus operundi and are now gleefully engaged in slaughter in high sec. But to be honest if outfits like Veto were the majority in low sec (i.e. pirates who ransom, don't smack, rp on occassion, are respectful and helpful even while they are kicking you ***) I bet you would see more folk in low sec.
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Dr Methanta
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:27:00 -
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If Level 4 missions moved to low-sec - I think you'd end up with a lot of podded pirates. Very few people solo level 4s - usually they'll go as a whole corp.
See theres a lot of players in High Sec who do end up doing PvP - if your in a corp - chances are you've had to deal with Wardeccing pvp gangs.
Because what will happen is they'll move out mob handed and in gangs of corps and alliances.
A lot of people assume everyone in High Sec is carebearing or incapable of PvP - rather than not being overly intrested in borderline griefing (most head for 0.0 rather than low-sec). See collecting kill mails isn't the be all and end all of playing Eve.
The irony is that i've never been shot down in low-sec only during wars in High Sec.
Gate Camping sniping in a Battleship and gank attacks in numbers, at long range is hardly skilled - especially when they'll be able to field more snipers, and the 10 to 1 advantage will be against you.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:48:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Merchantigus
Edited by: Merchantigus on 02/12/2006 22:39:28
yes move the higher paying missions to low/no sec
@whiny carebears.
1. bring a few friends of your own *gasp*
2. Bring a ship that can fend off the lone noob pirate(most of what's out there)
3. learn 2 play? ktnx
4. go play wow/eq2/50million other carebear mmos?
This is just the worst of several post saying the same thing. You obviously have no clue at all. Let me try to explain.
a. A ship setup for mission running is not setup for PvP. I doubt many people use scrams on their mission setups. That makes it almost risk free to attack a mission runner. If it goes wrong you just bail out.
b. If you hunt mission runners I presume you either snipe/tank sentries at gates/stations or probe for their mission spots. If you're tanking sentries the mission runner can try to tank your damage, scramble you and wait for the sentry guns to finish you off but as the mission runner doesnt have a scrambler they can't kill you (see a).
If you are probing his spot you will use a covert ops and know what kind of ship he or his friends use and you can fit your own ships with ECM etc against them and therefore turn it into a pleasurable gank.
I wouldn't mind if they moved SOME of the level 4 agents to lowsec but to move them all would effectivly kill off a large portion the eve community. Besides, in my humble opinion, level 4 missions isn't even close to being as profitable as ratting in 0.0.
...and finally dear Mr Merchantigus, may I suggest you keep your flames away and post something constructive next time?
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Varelse Wiggin
Minmatar
Fleet Of Elite
The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2006.12.04 18:11:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kumu Honua
Originally by: Bill Shankly
If the solo mission runners actually bothered to gang up instead of playing solo, then the 10 to 1 ganging wouldnt happen.
If all mission runners started forming gangs, the only thing to change would be the ratios. Instead of 10 to 1, it would change to 20 to 3.
I know this one for a fact, considering I fight for an alliance...the instant our foe shows up (or we even catch wind that they're going to be) in superior or even numbers we up our ante and prepare even more ships for them. We reduce our risk while increasing our chances of completely destroying them.
Sure, it may not be honorable to vastly outnumber and outgun the enemy, but i'll be damned if it doesn't cut down on losses and improve efficiency.
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