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Nerdalus
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:17:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: DimiTrip
BTW - i am antypirate and my secstats dropped to -4.7 again :(((((
mabe CCP should think about somehow make AP more happy?
Never going to happen, if u dont like sec hit stop shooting people, till then shut up
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Sister 9
Phung Hoang Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.05 11:26:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Mihae
I am a piwat and a mission runner (2 chars 4tw!), I run missions in highsec (that way I can do them afk :P). If they moved them into lowsec I think everyone would move into 0.0 because of better reward / risk.
the lowest of all pirates...
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Titurius Sabinus
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Posted - 2006.12.05 19:52:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Dr Methanta
If Level 4 missions moved to low-sec - I think you'd end up with a lot of podded pirates. Very few people solo level 4s - usually they'll go as a whole corp.
No fooling. The last mission running corp I belonged to those guys would take on average anywhere between 3 to 6 Battleships (one screen shot I saw had about 12 corp Battleships in it) with em to do one level 4 mission. And some of those guys aint all that bad at PvP either.
There is a saying: Be careful what you wish for, it might come true.
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The Anointed
Caldari
StarBug Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:42:00 -
[64]
I love original threads.
I have seen both sides of the playing field, so how about this.
Lets move all lvl 4 missions to low sec, that would nearly be in keeping with role play etc, cause after all why can factions sneek massive fleets into empire space? Doesnt make sense. How come you can mince like 10 npc bs's in a few minutes, but if they were piloted by people, you would evaporate the minute you warped in? Make lvl 4's corp events, not afk pew pew, cha ching תתתת! insurance, sure thing, so long as you dont go below 0.5 cause then the risk is too high and we wont pay out.
Then, Lets have the pirates take major hits as well. Stop them from buying from markets the minute they have a negative sec status, after all would you aid and abet a criminal? Make all their trades only doable from direct contact. Oh, and docking? Dont think so mate, we dont want your kind here. You want to insure your bs? Well mate I'll ensure I call concord if you dont stop wasting my time!
To be honest, if mission running took that hit, I would proabbly take my amarr alt, join an alliance, fly off into the middle of nowhere and just npc, it would be far easier.
If Pirating took that hit, I would have picked my targets with more skill, not just pew pew, and loot the can with my fingers crossed. And I would have probably gone off into 0.0 looking for the amarr alt npc'ing in belts.
This problem will never be solved. Its imbalanced on both sides, deal with it.
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.05 22:44:00 -
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What we really need are connections between low sec chains.
The south of eve, and the north of eve contain no low sec chains that both lead to 0.0 and the rest of empire. This is the reason why most pirates in eve inhabit the placid/molden heath regions.
Shamis
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Ginger Conjuror
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.12.06 05:21:00 -
[66]
make it, capital ships are NOT ALLOWED at 400km radius at the gates in 0.4 - 0.1 and im sure many ppl will come to low sec again, well i would come to lowsec, because then i have a fair chance to kill those gate campers...
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The Armin
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.06 06:39:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Mangold
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...and finally dear Mr Merchantigus, may I suggest you keep your flames away and post something constructive next time?
He did post something constructive. I think what he's trying to say is the way I see that lowsec should be, a stepping stone to 0.0. Corporations and Alliances should SECURE their part of lowsec and hence be able to mine, npc, do mish whatever there relatively safe with a few scouts out in each direction. If pirates comes dock and refit, beat the pirates. Once they are beaten enough they won't return.
Oh and ban all npc corp char from 0.0 and lowsec k tnx. So that it's possible to wardec.
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Royaldo
Old Farts
The Phantom Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.06 08:37:00 -
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why is there so few people in low sec? well its not worth it is it? the rats are crap, the ore is crap. and 99% of the time the locals are retarded.
moving all lvl4 agents into low sec would only result in people leaving eve.
moving all "good" lvl3 into low sec... whats next? semi par lvl2 also?
just war dec someone already. i see half of you post in the mission section of the eve-o forum anyway on how easy most missions are anyway, ss shouldnt be a problem to you.
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Dekiri
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.06 10:54:00 -
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I still think that they should just make low sec ratting and mining WAY more profitable. The actual risk is higher then in 0.0 and that should be more reflected by the actual rewards.
Oh yea and don't even try to start a discussion arguing that it is not more risk involved then in 0.0, because that one is just so overdone already and i always "won".
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AbdullahAhmed
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Posted - 2006.12.06 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: AbdullahAhmed on 06/12/2006 11:35:43
Doh..misreply.
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.06 12:28:00 -
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yeah, making lowsec worth going to would help me a lot, and shamis is quite corect to point out the lack of lowsec connections between regions leading to pirate infestations and risk free pirate blobbing.
perhaps introduce 300k-500k BS and increase the ammount of zyd per refine of jaspet to 100. Maybe even put Dark ochre in 0.3 and below since it yields little zyd anyway but more than lowsec ores.
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Lynk BearMayhem
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Posted - 2006.12.06 14:28:00 -
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Move mission runners to 0.0, you are missing the whole point of what CCP is trying to accomplish. Every aspect of this game is made to be more fun, more entertaining, and give better reward if players work together. Gangs, groups, fleets, mining ops, whatever the case may be. However, mission runners are mostly the loners of the game. They make what they can by not depending on anyone else. I doubt you will force them into 0.0. I agree that the best opportunity would lie in making something in 0.0 that gives a large reward for the risk.
The only problem is that if this is implemented, some alliance, group, corporation, whatever it may be will secure the area around it, gank any loners who approach, and farm the resources for themselves.
The problem with Eve is the all or nothing mentality of it. Everything is either centralized around one massive power, or is for the loner. There are very few ways for a single corporation or a gang of 10-15 to make real gains without running into large conglomerate. The problem is finding a way to get people to spread out a bit, but still need one another to survive.
sorry, but I don't have any solutions or recommendations for that problem.
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Dylan McKai
Splintered Shards of Europe
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Posted - 2006.12.07 11:46:00 -
[73]
Er ok, your telling others to adapt "like you"? So how is asking for the game to be changed adapting exactly?
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.07 12:19:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Saltire on 07/12/2006 12:19:32
Originally by: Dylan McKai
Er ok, your telling others to adapt "like you"? So how is asking for the game to be changed adapting exactly?
all games have to change to keep the player base interested, eve is like hero1n or cr4ck, if your precious l4's get moved to lowsec you will still play the game.
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Dylan McKai
Splintered Shards of Europe
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:32:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Saltire
Edited by: Saltire on 07/12/2006 12:19:32
Originally by: Dylan McKai
Er ok, your telling others to adapt "like you"? So how is asking for the game to be changed adapting exactly?
all games have to change to keep the player base interested, eve is like hero1n or cr4ck, if your precious l4's get moved to lowsec you will still play the game.
lol eve is like *****? Maybe ccp should remove all economy, storyline and industry so everyone has to play the game the way you want them to? I don't have a lvl4 agent and if I did, I certainly wouldn't risk running into E N I G M A just to see him. There's a compliment in there somewhere.
Seriously though, I don't have problems with ccp giving more rewards for going into lowsec, but blackmailing people into PvP isn't on.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.07 13:43:00 -
[76]
Originally by: The Armin
I hope they move all lvl4's and highqual lvl3s and increase the rewards on em. Highend ore in lowsec would perhaps have crashed the highend ore market while the lowend ore got more expensive so I don't think thats a good idea, if you're gonna give lowsec roids some love wich is needed it needs serious thinking.
Those of you saying that 95% of the mission runners in eve would quit if this happens...
I say AWESOME :D Perhaps regular people who doesn't farm missions can afford CNR's and faction mods, t2 demand decreases and stuff generally gets cheaper, plus I don't lag to hell everytime I visit Jita.
Go ahead and quit, and can I have your stuff ? 
Sorry i just had to say, i can't agree more. Those players add nothing to the great game that is eve and just worsen the experience for alot of people that add to the content of the game.
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Hauler McTotes
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Posted - 2006.12.07 23:44:00 -
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Those players add nothing to the great game that is eve and just worsen the experience for alot of people that add to the content of the game.
Some other guy wanted all Missioners or PVE'ers to quit as well.
Shortsighted and narrow thinking at best.
Saying a mission runners existence worsens your EVE experience is even more assinine than some Pie-rat in another thread claiming CCP hates Pirates.
Few (IF ANY) so-called pvp'ers in LowSec dont add "content".
If anyone does its Alliances and Corps in 0.0.
To answer the Ops Q:
Most casual and noob missioners will just run lvl 3's, or 2's or 1,s, or do something else or quit imo.
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:21:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Druid R
Originally by: Jennifer Meek
You know what I meant, what I meant was, pirates tend to always outnumber their prey by a very large amount. Because they don't want to lose their ships. Which is the same reason why players don't go into low sec, they don't want to lose their ships.
so because we take the time to work in a cohesive group with ship/settings in this MMOPG (see multiplayer part there) and the mission runners are solo isk loving *****s its our fault its empty. and as for not making enough isk every time they go into low sec to replace their losses how do u think we do
u have gate protecting u, anybody and everybody can shoot at me whenever, and often do, yet i make more isk than i lose, so how hard can it be for you.
/sign that every 'good' lvl 4 agent and top 50% of most rewarding (in terms of isk from bounties and loot) and all missions that can drop faction gear are moved to low sec or 0.0
Umm... If you're so noble and hard-working and team-oriented and adaptable and skilled, why don't you just move out to 0.0 where the targets are instead of crying to CCP to bring you some content?
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Profhet
Murder of Crows
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.08 03:26:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Profhet on 08/12/2006 03:35:17
I don't know, I would bet most people who enjoy blowing stuff up do work in both o.0 and low sec space.
as a former all out carebear, I just didnt fine the risk worth the reward in low sec. I think they should just change the low sec into 0.0 and lets get on with it or like Salt says, upgrade the reward of low sec.
Its too bad that the rats are not smarter and people could experience PvE that truly replicates what they will face in low sec and 0.0
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Risien Drogonne
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Posted - 2006.12.08 05:30:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Muran Corrod
Originally by: Saltire
any chance the crime community can get a bit of love from ccp, i know we got the stab nerf and easy mission killing but how about just one more little bit of love by moving all l4 agents into lowsec? just an idea because it seems all the mission runners now run to highsec.
and question to the mission runners, would u quit eve if this happened? or adapt like us?
I dont see adaption, I see you begging CCP to make more changes to hand defenseless targets to you on a silver platter.
Pirates have it pretty good since the last patch, and if reading all the posts in the C&P section are any indication, Revelations turned pirating into a free for all shopping spree in lowsec. There appears to be zero risk in pirating now, and huge rewards, all the risk is now on the mission runners and miners in lowsec, thats not at all balanced.
QFT. Asking that the game be changed to fit your playstyle is... oh I dunno... The exact OPPOSITE of adaptation?
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SpitRoast
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Posted - 2006.12.08 11:15:00 -
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i think all l4 kill missions should go to lowsec, but not the mining and delivery style ones.
ps, to people who say targets are in 0.0, try finding some that arent a huge alliance blob, or that havent asked for blue standings? trying to be in an alliance in 0.0 is like a F***ing chelsea home game. Why do you think smaller pvp groups end up in lowsec murder squads?
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.12.08 13:05:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 08/12/2006 13:07:06
Originally by: Hauler McTotes
Quote:
Those players add nothing to the great game that is eve and just worsen the experience for alot of people that add to the content of the game.
Some other guy wanted all Missioners or PVE'ers to quit as well.
Shortsighted and narrow thinking at best.
Saying a mission runners existence worsens your EVE experience is even more assinine than some Pie-rat in another thread claiming CCP hates Pirates.
Few (IF ANY) so-called pvp'ers in LowSec dont add "content".
If anyone does its Alliances and Corps in 0.0.
To answer the Ops Q:
Most casual and noob missioners will just run lvl 3's, or 2's or 1,s, or do something else or quit imo.
Just the extra stress on the server alone makes my playing experience worse as it causes lag. The fact they hoarde isk and items and can spend obscene ammount of money on items driving up the price means i need more isk to do what i do. So yes they make my gaming experience worse. Also the fact my corp lives in 0.0 and ventures in to low sec when it feels like it just throws your arguement that we don't add content to the game into the sea, by your own arguement no less.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.08 15:23:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Saltire
whine make pirating easier waahhhh
Next you'll be asking to remove stations because carebears can hide there.
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:31:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem
Originally by: Saltire
whine make pirating easier waahhhh
Next you'll be asking to remove stations because carebears can hide there.
you obviously didnt read my posts, dont get mad just because i nuked your mates obelisk and 1.2bn of cargo earlier....
tell him not to log out next time 
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Kamazani
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2006.12.08 16:40:00 -
[85]
<sing song> been all around the world..... and still hearing the same dang song.....
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by: GinoShin on 21/11/2006 11:41:44
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Tiggi Wrath
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Posted - 2006.12.08 17:35:00 -
[86]
i would defenitely go into lowsec to run lvl 4, if there would be any reward worth it.
to be honest i would bring some pvp fittet ships with me, just to make sure those funny pirates get a nice little fight.
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Nox Aeterna
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Posted - 2006.12.09 08:36:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Amiable Quinn
I don't understand if folks are so keen to PvP why don't they just avail themselves of the options:
1. Head to 0.0. I hear there is, on occassion, some PvP there. (It's fun too, you will change from hunter to hunted very quickly).
2. Wardec some high sector corps. That way you keep your sec status AND (if you war dec a big corp) have plenty of war targets.
3. Keep looking for the stray low-sec noob and gank/ransom them. Maintain group op gate camps with a dedicated tank. I believe tiller has some terrific threads describing how this can be done.
Why oh why are the "pirates" complaining? Simple, all of the above activities smack of:
1. Effort and/or
2. The possibility that they may lose.
Low-sec is underpopulated? Gee I find that hard to believe considering it the most dangerous place in eve (with the possible exception of 0.0 in the middle of a territorial war) and it has the worst risk/reward ratio. No rational person is going to organize a pve raiding party to head into low sec when if you are going to bother with that level of organization you can just head to 0.0 or make more money individualy running ops in high sec.
Catch the clue bus: CCP WILL NEVER MOVE LEVEL 4 AGENTS TO LOW SEC BECAUSE IT IS NOT IN THEIR FINANCIAL INTERESTS TO DO SO!
CCP has given you plenty of options to engage in non-consensual PvP. You may not like them for the 2 reasons mentioned above, but they are there. If you will notice some terrific pirate corps (notably Veto.) have already changed their modus operundi and are now gleefully engaged in slaughter in high sec. But to be honest if outfits like Veto were the majority in low sec (i.e. pirates who ransom, don't smack, rp on occassion, are respectful and helpful even while they are kicking you ***) I bet you would see more folk in low sec.
Let's try a little logic shall we? Firstly, what is the point of 0.0? The fact that it is completely lawless territory. What is the point of low sec? It isn't actively patrolled by concord, but it is still illegal to hunt others there. Now if a pirate heads out into lawless space where it is perfectly legal to engage people in pvp there, doesn't he/she cease being a pirate (ie an outlaw)? As to sec status...I wear mine as if it is a badge of honor  |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.09 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 09/12/2006 09:40:04
Two observations to throw in:
1) CCP is making mission sites harder to probe. Not impossible, maybe, but much harder. We'll see just how much.
2) Even if they didn't, this seems to some degree like a self-correcting problem. The pirate camps have abandoned lowsec following its abandonment by mission runners, which has, in turn, resulted in a bunch of people moving back to lowsec-- maybe not to stay, but to run a few errands and either mission-run or rat. My scan probes and I have been having a grand old time. The whole process has been fun to watch in the same way as watching the population curves of, say, rabbits and foxes rise and fall.
It really did seem for a few months like our pirates were severely overpopulated; I couldn't escort a cargo ship through Placid without picking up a tail or four, even with instas. Maybe some of you scurvy scum wandering out into 0.0 and leaving lowsec for the less-experienced piwats isn't such a bad thing?
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.09 10:41:00 -
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Just make it so that anyone with a < 0 sec status is free game all around empire (>0.0) high and low sec (outlaws anyone) and move the missions to low sec. That way you can actually shoot back at the piwates without loss of sec stat. Nowdays, it's frikin boring to watch piwates shoot at friends and not being able to do anyhing about it, since they have aggressed someone else, not me.
Everyone gains. More ppl to low sec + possibility of securing low sec with flying in gangs.
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Saltire
System-Lords
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.12.09 13:49:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Laboratus
Just make it so that anyone with a < 0 sec status is free game all around empire (>0.0) high and low sec (outlaws anyone) and move the missions to low sec. That way you can actually shoot back at the piwates without loss of sec stat. Nowdays, it's frikin boring to watch piwates shoot at friends and not being able to do anyhing about it, since they have aggressed someone else, not me.
Everyone gains. More ppl to low sec + possibility of securing low sec with flying in gangs.
like thats going to work, some -0.1 nub who shot the station in his 1st week to see what happens is gonna be fair game, come on....
on the other hand all the pretend pirates who religiously keep to -1.9 should be fair game imo. im 50/50 with you on that reply
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