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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 13:51:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: darth solo
the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"...
tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it.
would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too.
d solo.
It's been stressful as hell for me every single time. It gets to the point that I don't enjoy playing EVE for close to a month afterwards, so I always take sanity breaks afterwards.
Seriously, these PvP tournaments are some of the most stressful things I ever do, which is stupid since they are also, in a way, the most insignificant (compared to, say, work or school).
Anyway, Seleene, the "Roadtrip Ship" problem is very common in the tournament. I mean, REALLY common. You change course for something, then get distracted by the BILLIONS OF ISK WORTH OF SHIPS ON THE FIELD, or the fact that everyone is a-shooting you, or you just go to follow the target, the facts of life obscured by the hunt... and you realize you left your sluggish support ship behind. I know I've had it happen to me. (Additionally, my mouse in the last tourney had a tendency to turn off and on right again, causing it to double-click at the weirdest moments, such as when I was adjusting the camera, or highlighting names. I fought the entire last tournament from the same view angle, since I was way too scared of accidentally leaving the cluster and our remote reps while panning around).
I have to say, I never expected an MC pilot to run afoul with that mistake though. I'm a newbie carebear, so my margin of error is the size of Manhattan, but there you go.
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Silvestri
FIRMA
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:04:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Seleene
PS - I wanna read about other people's matches too, damnit! Stop whoring my thread, drink some coffee and get to work! 
But Seleene...I'm at work....and I am drinking coffee.....
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Janice Forge
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:16:00 -
[33]
Quote:
By all rights, we would have... should have won last night.
like many things, all that matters is the score at the end of the game...
that said
"should have, could have, but didn't"
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Sivona
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:30:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
Originally by: darth solo
the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"...
tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it.
would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too.
d solo.
It's been stressful as hell for me every single time. It gets to the point that I don't enjoy playing EVE for close to a month afterwards, so I always take sanity breaks afterwards.
Seriously, these PvP tournaments are some of the most stressful things I ever do, which is stupid since they are also, in a way, the most insignificant (compared to, say, work or school).
Anyway, Seleene, the "Roadtrip Ship" problem is very common in the tournament. I mean, REALLY common. You change course for something, then get distracted by the BILLIONS OF ISK WORTH OF SHIPS ON THE FIELD, or the fact that everyone is a-shooting you, or you just go to follow the target, the facts of life obscured by the hunt... and you realize you left your sluggish support ship behind. I know I've had it happen to me. (Additionally, my mouse in the last tourney had a tendency to turn off and on right again, causing it to double-click at the weirdest moments, such as when I was adjusting the camera, or highlighting names. I fought the entire last tournament from the same view angle, since I was way too scared of accidentally leaving the cluster and our remote reps while panning around).
I have to say, I never expected an MC pilot to run afoul with that mistake though. I'm a newbie carebear, so my margin of error is the size of Manhattan, but there you go.
Its very easy to say 'oh he made a mistake', the problem was the shear ammount of things that had to be done by each MC Pilot in that team to combat the circle jerk going on there  Mistakes happen. Some count some dont :)
At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:30:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Seleene
too long 
reading at it imo was a bit your fault...
orbiting mean you are going to split, expecially if the target is the 3rd ship to kill and is supposed to be heavy supported...
by the time the enemy will go down your curse will be too away from you, with also the risk to get "trapped"
to manually adjust speed to keep range is imo a better solution in this situation where you need to keep the group "compact".
to use the EOS to slow down enemy was imo a good idea, but again a bit low on attention and it came the disaster :P
anyway kudos to MC for a setup different than the nosage/dronage fest that seem so dominant and its offensive strategy... just a bit sad to see a good team to not reach finals cause of small mistake imo caused by low "attention"... but it will go better next time
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Vicious Malicious
Minmatar
Boon-a-ma-i
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Posted - 2006.12.04 14:43:00 -
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I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record.
They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be.
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maGz
The Priory
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:11:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record.
They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be.
 it's funny 'cuz it's true
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:12:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/12/2006 15:15:31
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record.
They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be.
Why do you feel the need to use an alt to make your comments about the MC why not use your main? Because this isn't the first time i've seen you try and smack us.
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Vicious Malicious
Minmatar
Boon-a-ma-i
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:18:00 -
[39]
This seems to be your defense to everything, try to write off the truth by saying that "omg you are an alt" well guess what, this has been my main character for the past year, so your feeble attempts to back away from someone telling you that your group has become the biggest crock of sh*t in eve over the past 6 months is just more proof to the facts that you have no real defense against the statements.
If you would simply admit that the MC can't do what they used too and aren't nearly as elite of a group anymore......that would at least be respectable......but every so subtley trying to keep your image of uberness is getting really pathetic.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:20:00 -
[40]
Someone sounds annoyed
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Vicious Malicious
Minmatar
Boon-a-ma-i
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:23:00 -
[41]
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:28:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Thats your opinion and your more than welcome to it, but as long as people keep wanting to hire us, people must still think we do a good job.
Regarding the alt statement you don't seem to have any standings for someone who's been playing over a year
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:29:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I hate kittens and puppies too.
Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that?
I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down.
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Christopher Multsanti
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:30:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Ifni, is that you?
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Vicious Malicious
Minmatar
Boon-a-ma-i
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:33:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I hate kittens and puppies too.
Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that?
I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down.
.....first off, i was pretty much talking about kittens and puppies , and secondly fair enough on the detailed analysis thing but i think that it steers the conversation in a direction of saying we should have won instead of saying we lost and we did so because of being tactically unsound and for no other reason.
IAC of course aren't ANYONE to be ashamed of losing too, especially with the fleet they put out there....and i think it should be stated that way
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Tehyarec
Erasers inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:54:00 -
[46]
It was a good fight at any rate. People going "OMG WTF" on an armor tanked Raven are just clueless, so they can be disregarded. But "should have won" with your setup..? Maybe, maybe not. Even if the Curse died due to ranging mistake, what of the frigs then? They died just fine as well. And of course it's sloppy to make mistakes regarding range anyway. Granted, it's a tough situation, but MC should have experience on tough situations both in and out of the tournament
But at the end of it, a good fight, which is all that matters really!
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:55:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I hate kittens and puppies too.
Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that?
I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down.
.....first off, i was pretty much talking about kittens and puppies , and secondly fair enough on the detailed analysis thing but i think that it steers the conversation in a direction of saying we should have won instead of saying we lost and we did so because of being tactically unsound and for no other reason.
IAC of course aren't ANYONE to be ashamed of losing too, especially with the fleet they put out there....and i think it should be stated that way
It was.
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Sivona
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:56:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Ifni, is that you?
That or Aneu has got himself a new fanboi alt
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 15:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I hate kittens and puppies too.
Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that?
I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down.
As you know, we really dont like starting our own threads, to talk about ourselves, etc, but I think maybe we will make an exception for the tournament. You will have to wait till after next sunday so I know how far we get, of course. It'll probably be from my point of view as planner, with contributions from the team who flew, because they're usually too busy grunting and dragging their knuckles to write the whole thing.
So, maybe.
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Admiral Pieg
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:08:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record.
They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be.
haha this is so true .. they did it in the last tourney too.
Anyway, it was a good fight, but you dont need to explain yourself everytime you lose. 
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Cividari
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:09:00 -
[51]
One of the reasons people arent writing more "war stories" about their fight is that they might not want to give out detailed information on their setups etc when they still have fights left that matter. Next week we should hopefully see more detailed reports since then teams can write about their weaknesses and mistakes without having other teams exploiting it. Btw, does this effectively mean that MC are out of the tournament now? Shame to see one of the best teams get kicked out, "group of death" indeed.
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Lunas Feelgood
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:15:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 04/12/2006 16:20:18
Originally by: Sivona
Originally by: Christopher Multsanti
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Ifni, is that you?
That or Aneu has got himself a new fanboi alt
Hehe I dont think aneu and his hordes of alt dislike MC, I only think he really hates BOB.
Anyway selene you gusy took a chance and it didnt work no big deal..
I wish you guys the best of luck for the rest of you matches.
Edit: FFs Seelene while i was typing this i juts lost my alt in his munin to sentry guns, didnt realise i had undock.. I blame you 
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:20:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vicious Malicious
annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Ironically, our stats for the last six months are as good as they've ever been. Here's a little breakdown for you:
Jan - June 2005
Kills: 61.16 Bil ISK
Losses: 6.7 Bil ISK
Ratio: 9.12
July - Dec 2005
Kills: 56.7 Bil ISK
Losses: 11.2 Bil ISK
Ratio: 5.05
Jan - June 2006
Kills: 65.9 Bil ISK
Losses: 8.96 Bil ISK
Ratio: 7.35
June - Dec 2006 (Results to date)
Kills: 75 Bil ISK
Losses: 11.1 Bil ISK
Ratio: 6.75
Before about 6-7 months ago, the only service we offered was essentially glorified Empire ganking. It was a useful service certainly (and one which we still offer), but it rarely won wars. Since then, we've stepped up onto a whole new playing-field. We can threaten alliances directly now. We fatally wounded Big Blue. We turned the tide in the battle for UNITY station. We gave IAC the shock of their life when we initially took The Distillery. This stuff has had 100x the impact of what we used to do. The only thing that appears to have gotten worse is the number of people dissing us on the forums - I guess we must have ****ed a few people off along the way! I think you need to spend more time watching what is actually going on in-game, and less time reading forum threads.
Anyway, this is way off-topic so I will shut up.
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JOSEPHx
Caldari
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:27:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Sivona
At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match.
I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament.
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:28:00 -
[55]
Alts? Pfft, I either post with one of my two mains, or I don't at all.
As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it.
You've given your break down of what you intended to do and where it went wrong and its nice to see you taking it so well and in the way its meant to be taken. It's a tournament for fun inside a game that we play for fun, so you get alot of what respect I may have left in return for standing up and explaining it all.
It was one of the best fights of the tournament so far and was definately worth watching.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
Rage of Angels
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:35:00 -
[56]
This tournament isn't supposed to be fun. Most people I talk to don't enjoy it because of the pressure, and often i'm included in that school of thought. It's about pride and being at the pinnacle of PvP.
It's alright sitting on a chair analysing it saying it should be taken as fun, but for the pilots, this tournament is deadly serious, and some people have sacrificed a lot in real life to be able to take part and prepare.
I don't think people realise how much rides on this tournament for a lot of people and alliances.
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Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:35:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Ifni
As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it.
I think people are just a bit confused over your logic. It was a close match, not some ridiculous beatdown. Why on earth would that put anyone off from hiring us?
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Sivona
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 16:41:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Sivona on 04/12/2006 16:41:33
Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: Sivona
At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match.
I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament.
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Of course, and you will progress and we wont.
However, if you had a shot at the impoc would you take a defensive team and go for the technical victory or would you do anything in your power to break it?
Dont lie
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolance
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:01:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sivona
Edited by: Sivona on 04/12/2006 16:41:33
Originally by: JOSEPHx
Originally by: Sivona
At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match.
I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament.
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Of course, and you will progress and we wont.
However, if you had a shot at the impoc would you take a defensive team and go for the technical victory or would you do anything in your power to break it?
Dont lie
Well... its a hard one to answer, and it might be worth me saying that if we were to face the IAC now it kinda looks as if it would have to be in the final, should we manage to get that far. So your question isnt really "would you try to take down a one-of-a-kind 100bn ISK ship at all costs instead of a win", its "would you try to take down a one-of-a-kind 100bn ISK ship at all costs, instead of getting two of your own...".
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.04 17:08:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Ifni
As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it.
Ifni, I didn't know you were one of the commentators until a few mins ago. Typically I find your commentary to be well informed and thought out. TBH, I'd expect someone of your knowledge to get what we were doing and why, even if it took a couple minutes to figure it out. Instead, you used the oppertunity to get in a cheap jab at us? That's not like you from what I know.
Originally by: Cividari
One of the reasons people arent writing more "war stories" about their fight is that they might not want to give out detailed information on their setups etc when they still have fights left that matter. Next week we should hopefully see more detailed reports since then teams can write about their weaknesses and mistakes without having other teams exploiting it.
Perhaps, however it doesn't mean people can't talk about what they have already done. TBH, I'm really amazed at the lack of discussion going on in this forum considering some of the amazing stuff I saw this weekend.
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