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Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:22:00 - [1] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 08:26:21 People have been telling me that it's a good thing I turned EVE TV off so I was spared the commentary. As far as the 'experts' on the desk, at least Farjung had the balls to correct everyone by stating the obvious about armor tanking against an Amarr team. We had a lot of different options for this match, but the key question was: would we see the Impoc? We could have fielded an all-damage team that I'm certain would have broken the thing's tank, but then what happens to us if Jim Raynor shows up in a completely different setup? There were a lot of things to consider, so we had to strike a middle ground while still providing for a chance to win. I'll cover the ships in a moment, but the plan was... Our strategy for last night against IAC was rock solid. The plan, conceived by Sivona, was simply fantastic and when we saw IAC field exactly what we expected, we cheered because we knew the fight was ours to lose. It was simple in concept, but required a lot of specific actions done precisely right: Take out the frigs and the enemy Curse with precision cruise and drones while stuffing damps all in the Impoc's face. I also had a pair of webber drones to put on the Impoc (which worked pretty damn well it seemed). Once it was 5 on 2, my large remote rep helps keep our Curse and EOS alive while they NOS the IMPOC. I switch to Explosive Fury cruise and we put all the pain in the world on the Impoc, not because we were hungry for the kill but because it's a Tech 1 ship and we judged it to have the weaker resists. Kill the cap, and it would die. Then, we'd finish off Tyrrax. Everything was going perfectly. The frigs died horribly, the Impoc was effectively neutered and the Curse went down even faster than weÆd planned. The Impoc was at 60% armor and I was settling in for a nice long pounding on it. Then our Curse started taking damage and called for a rep. No problem, I click to activate and am told that my target is out of range. IÆll say: he was 40 km away. IÆm still unclear as to how my team got split apart like this. There are a lot of factors that contributed, the 60km radius of the arena being one of them. Regardless, I couldnÆt get there in time and Tyrrax melted the Curse in about thirty seconds. Our EOS was also a NOS boat and someone on IAC must have had a web because he could not close back in time either. And so, in less than three minutes, victory turned to disaster. By all rights, we would have... should have won last night. But, like all plans of this nature, it only requires one or two small mistakes to turn the whole thing to **. By their own admission, IAC knows this just as well as anyone and last night it was our turn for Demon Murphy to sink his teeth into us. As for my CNR last night, here it is: CNR** 7x Cruise 1x Large Remote Armor Rep (best named) 3x Phased Muon Damps 1x Medium Electro-Chem Cap Injector 1x T2 Sensor Booster 1x Quad Lif MWD 1x Co-Proc II 1x Internal Force Field Array 2x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates 1x Medium Armor Rep II Yes, normally Erilynn has a FG Crystal set in, but last night she was running a mixed grade Slave set that, with gang bonuses, gave her over 35,800 armor. With the IFFA, her skills and the Eos gang module bonuses, the ship had over 70% resists to EM and Thermal damage. In other words: shields last night 4TL. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:22:00 - [2] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 08:22:59 Originally by: Shin Ra MC took a chance. They lost, but you cannot say they have done badly in this tournament. A huggin setup would have meant a long and boring match as without the curse, it would be difficult to kill the other ships. Anyone who spend billions on these crazy setups, which btw did ALMOST win twice, certainly deserves respect. Shin gets it. TBH, my own respect for BE has gone up several notches over the last week. Not only because of how they have played in their matches but also for statements like the above. In the Tournament, you either win or lose. All the WCS jokes in the world donÆt mean a thing when LeMonde finishes his countdown in Local. I said at the beginning of this thing that MC would ôBring the Crazyö. We hate cookie cutter standard set-ups and would much rather spend our money and time on something that makes people say, ôWow! That was different.ö The problem is that some would rather spend their time telling us how we could have won and slagging us for trying to be innovative and think out of the box. Soà As for last nightÆs result, yeah, IÆm pretty upset TBH. A fight like last night is what I both love and hate about these Tournaments. You know you could / should have won with the set-up you had and then you think of about five things you might have done differently, etcà The Impoc is a monster ship which completely changes the dynamic of any match it is a part of. WeÆre in the hardest group of the Tourney. Thus far, IAC has survived Red Skull, Burn Eden (I donÆt care about cans, IAC won that match) and now MC. Tyrrax deserves all the respect in the world for having the balls to field his toy against teams in the æGroup of DeathÆ that he knows could have fielded ships with the DPS to destroy it. Lastly, the Tournament is not normal PvP. This both sucks and rocks because until youÆve done it, you have no frakkinÆ clue what itÆs like to be here. Nothing else on Tranquility compares to the nerve wracking adrenaline as this contest. So any of you arm-chair generals who feel like you could do better, feel free to field a team yourselves next time. WeÆll be there waiting on you to show us how much better you are. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:37:00 - [3] It was fun to watch and even though you lost you had a good thing going there
Takahashi Arran coracao ardente Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:53:00 - [4] I was half surprised you didn't turnout with a full gank setup and announce you had a contract against the impoc from istvaan or others though
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 08:55:00 - [5] Edited by: QwaarJet on 04/12/2006 08:55:43 Having participated in the tournament, I know waht you mean. The nerves and adrenaline make you prone to mistakes you would never make anywhere else. You had it going there, and you were the better team, despite what the "experts" said. Your going to be hard pushed to qualify now. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:06:00 - [6] Quit being nice to us, I already told u we're not joining MC
BOldMan Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:07:00 - [7] Originally by: Seleene Then our Curse started taking damage and called for a rep. No problem, I click to activate and am told that my target is out of range. IÆll say: he was 40 km away. That was the fatal error. The curse pilot should have maintain distance from raven with all costs. As for armour tank raven I was very little surprise, it is a very logical choice.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:13:00 - [8] Originally by: Takahashi Arran I was half surprised you didn't turnout with a full gank setup and announce you had a contract against the impoc from istvaan or others though That was the other option - CNR with Jav/Rage torps & painter, Nighthawk and Cerb with Fury Heavies. This is our flagship Caldari squad which very possibly could have won last night. It was my gut call and, in hindsight (arrrrgh!), what I think we should have done. Then again, I have a very, "UGH SMASH PUNY SHIPS!" caveman attitude when it comes to PvP so the others conviced me to go with a much more flexible plan. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:15:00 - [9] Nice post but the range error was a bit uncharacteristic of MC Sellene dont you think. I participated last time with this char and I am participating this time with another char so I know what you mean about nervs and stuff.... I also know what you mean about nerves and Mr Murphy... last time's -v- team could have gone a long long way if not for the logistics' ctd that cause the elimination by ATUK/5/DICE (whatever ) Still missing range like that when you rely on your remote trasnfers is... very odd... I can only surmise that you were drunk from the early success (judging from your commentary I didnt see the match :( ) and charged in without doing the obvious ... which (as I am sure you well know and would have done if you werent thus inubrated) would be to advance on them in turtle formation (holding back your drones) and having the Curse and Raven put the pain on TT to weaken a bit the Impoc's cap... once all 3 in range then and only then should you have gone for the Impoc with Eos closest Curse and Raven hanging a bit back... But now I am becoming the armchair general... all I meant to say was respect for MC and the way you bring it in the tourney and on TQ but I am sure you kicking yourselves for the range error a lot more than your post is letting show. I wish to you that you manage to advance and produce the shining performances that will make you forget this. As for TT I hate his guts after last year's scum that finished off the Trust team but he does the same to all enemies... they give away easy frig+reckon kills and people then are just shocked by what the Impoc - Abso combo can do... hats off to them ... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Orvas Dren Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:17:00 - [10] I had a great time watching from my pod after the first 30 seconds... We considered damping your Maulus' rather than the Curse and CNR, but meh.. I love playing the 30 second distraction :) EVE-Mail me for custom signature work. Price Negotiable
Aeleva Caldari Hegemonic Core Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:34:00 - [11] That fight was a classic. It was close, and swung both ways. Lets just say i had a box of tissues to cry into as i was expecting the impoc to go boom. It does make this feel a bit more like a sport type event though, a few critical errors in the wrong place can cause upset. Brilliant fight, infact Well done to the MC for providing some of the most entertaining moments so far. The mach was classic :)
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:39:00 - [12] I have to back it up that an armor tanked raven does a pretty good job against lasers. Pity it's hard to combine damage mods with it, but it's not as bad as some would suggest. I was a risky setup, could have worked so I respect that And hats off to IAC. Some very good battles in this tourney and seeing the Impoc in action makes it all the sweeter In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 09:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 09:13:28 Originally by: Takahashi Arran I was half surprised you didn't turnout with a full gank setup and announce you had a contract against the impoc from istvaan or others though That was the other option - CNR with Jav/Rage torps & painter, Nighthawk and Cerb with Fury Heavies. Our Caldari gank squad very possibly could have won last night. It was my gut call and, in hindsight (arrrrgh!), what I think we should have done. Then again, I have a very, "UGH SMASH PUNY SHIPS!" caveman attitude when it comes to PvP so the others conviced me to go with a much more flexible plan. I think it would kind of be a shame for someone to come out JUST to kill the priceless ship at the expense of a loss. I respect that you guys tried to go with what you thought would win, not what would just be able to kill the IMPOC (although it might also have won). It reminds me a little bit (just a little bit mind you ;p) of a situation I found myself in in the amarr championship. My team was fighting Tank CEOs team and it was down to 2v1 (I think) and it was clear that I was going to lose. Tank was sitting there in a pod carefree and this was just after he had gone on his "concord is broken look what I can do to nubs in the empire hub" rampage. I considered podding him and taking the forfeit because I was going to lose anyway, but I decided against it. I still kind of regret not doing it (because of how ****ed he would have been) but it was definitely more in the spirit of the match. Anyhow, just a little anecdote. The Enemy's Gate is Down
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:03:00 - [14] the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"... tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it. would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too. d solo. celes apoc kill board
Mjnari Empyreum	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:18:00 - [15] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 09:13:28 Originally by: Takahashi Arran I was half surprised you didn't turnout with a full gank setup and announce you had a contract against the impoc from istvaan or others though That was the other option - CNR with Jav/Rage torps & painter, Nighthawk and Cerb with Fury Heavies. Our Caldari gank squad very possibly could have won last night. It was my gut call and, in hindsight (arrrrgh!), what I think we should have done. Then again, I have a very, "UGH SMASH PUNY SHIPS!" caveman attitude when it comes to PvP so the others conviced me to go with a much more flexible plan. Mjnari reads Mjnari runs > notepad.exe "ForTux_Fanfest07.txt" CNR Nighthawk Cerberus (on a more serious note , nice post - it adds a lot more substance to the post-fight discussions to see more of the chessboard laid bare) ------------------------ Minmatar, It should be like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair shooting an Uzi.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:31:00 - [16] Come on Seleene, why don't you really say what you feel about the commentators. In fact I am pretty sure one of them said "Why would anyone hire MC after a showing like that!!" You just gonna let that slide Sel? Thats not like you. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]

Redundancy	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:36:00 - [17] It was a damn good fight, and I was on the edge of my seat cheering for you when it looked like the Impoc was going to go down.

Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.04 10:37:00 - [18] Edited by: Wild Rho on 04/12/2006 10:38:22 Wasn't there and I'm not psychic but it looked like your guys got distracted at the thought of bringing down one of the rarest ships in the game and it cost them in the end. I'm suprised you let the "armour tanked" raven jibe bother you tbh. Anyone who actually had a clue knew why it was there regardless of what the commentators said and anyone who didn't only showed how little they really knew about pvp setups. Either way it was an awesome fight from both sides and had me hopping up and down in my seat so kudos to MC for bringing out a good team and almost pulling it off and to IAC for having the sheer balls to use such a rare ship in a tournament like this. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:01:00 - [19] Originally by: darth solo the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"... tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it. would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too. d solo. Well that's what makes this tourney great, the countless possibilities in setup you and your opponent can field. So like seleene says, you fit one that could score you a win in the most scenarios. But if you're unlucky your opponent fields one that specificly nukes yours. It's more of a luck of the draw this time around imo.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:08:00 - [20] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 11:13:28 Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Come on Seleene, why don't you really say what you feel about the commentators. Heh. As I said, I wasn't listening to it. All I know is what people have told me, which is that the people commentating the match didn't seem to really understand / believe what they were seeing. Yeah, armor tanking a Raven is kind of odd, but how else are you going to get nearly 500 DPS of explosive damage, EW, mobility (MWD), remote repair and tank? For what we needed, the CNR was perfect. Seriously, did you guys see how long it took Tyrrax to chew through all that armor? Quote: In fact I am pretty sure one of them said "Why would anyone hire MC after a showing like that!!" Meh. Considering we just started one rather large contract and have two more lined up keeping us busy for the next couple months I'm not too worried. Originally by: Wild Rho Wasn't there and I'm not psychic but it looked like your guys got distracted at the thought of bringing down one of the rarest ships in the game and it cost them in the end. Not at all. TBH, it was just the next target in line. Of the Abso and the Impoc, we decided to go for the ship that we figured to have the lower resists. In addition, with that beast feeding Tyrrax, the only way we could have killed him would have been to bring out our gank squad. No, m8, we just screwed up with our manuvering and paid the price. I can't even really be mad at my guys because, as I said earlier, these matches are insanely intense. It's not just the fight itself, but with EVE TV going and 15,000+ people watching and your alliance's name on the line? Heh, there's no one immune to the shakes and one mistake is all you have to make for the other team to rip you a new one. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Seleene I can't even really be mad at my guys because, as I said earlier, these matches are insanely intense. It's not just the fight itself, but with EVE TV going and 15,000+ people watching and your alliance's name on the line? Heh, there's no one immune to the shakes and one mistake is all you have to make for the other team to rip you a new one. Quoted for truth. I've got a feeling like the amount of losses due to nerves rivals those due to CTDs. Also, I'd like to point out that this Tourney made me change my point of view on the ability of an Amarr laser to break my Typhoon armor tank, and that's by far no 30k HPs. I can't believe the raw DPS some of you Abbadon and Absolution pilots pile on armor that's supposed to be fairly resistant to EM and Thermal. More comments from the teams please! -- Thukkers do
NereSky Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:42:00 - [22] my thoughts and feelings were MC were winning till the curse popped , the explanation by seleene and the Raven fitting seems as though it would have worked , but tbh we will never know, all i do know is that the match was awesome and kudos to both sides, MC proved again that they bring it with some very good tactical planning and very good teamwork, IAC for bringing the im'poc , wow what a ship :) a fantastic match and thoroughly enjoyed it , respect all round.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 11:42:00 - [23] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Come on Seleene, why don't you really say what you feel about the commentators. In fact I am pretty sure one of them said "Why would anyone hire MC after a showing like that!!" You just gonna let that slide Sel? Thats not like you. Ifni hasn't always been the sharpest "expert" when it's not about Amarr or Gallente ships. :) That and he clearly thought that was going to be his best moment on air. :) If anything, we might actually get some more fights out of our targets now as we do clearly suck at PvP. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Hermia Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:15:00 - [24] THought IAC was toast after loosing all support. I was thinking, holy hell all mc need to do is damp the impoc (forcing bc to hung it) and keep out of range to suvive with support intact. Then the pair start charging all over the place! Interesting fight, could have gone both ways easilly. The commentry is beter, dont rate one or two of the experts but i wont name names.
n sx The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 12:49:00 - [25] Seleene, I got outta bed at 4:30am on a Monday morning, before work to watch this fight knowing that if anyone had a chance at raw smackdown of Tyrrax's e-peen it would be you guys. I also knew Tyrrax wouldn't have fielded it if he wasn't confident with his game plan. Kudos to you both teams for using the expensive toys too, a CNR isn't exactly throw away material either so it was obvious you were all going for it. This was for real and everyone in EVE knew it. As I said pre fight, the competition stakes between IAC and MC are high. There is much love from IAC toward MC after 'The month with no sleep' and this is just another one of those things to add to the fruitful history we're building up. As the fight drew to a close, I found myself wide awake throwing my arms in the air. It was a great sight to see, and thank-you to both teams for some seriously good entertainment. In all honesty I had the same level of concern and worry regarding the BE fight. We're all well aware they're capable of bringing some left field tactics and setups. BE's participation in this tourney has been somewhat of an eye opener and it's great to see them doing well, and taking it all in their stride. There just wasn't that political out of game buildup that MC brought to the party. IAC and MC are just going to have to write another chapter together some time in the future. Good luck to all in the remainder of the PVP tourney!
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Crellion Nice post but the range error was a bit uncharacteristic of MC Sellene dont you think. I participated last time with this char and I am participating this time with another char so I know what you mean about nervs and stuff.... I also know what you mean about nerves and Mr Murphy... last time's -v- team could have gone a long long way if not for the logistics' ctd that cause the elimination by ATUK/5/DICE (whatever ) Still missing range like that when you rely on your remote trasnfers is... very odd... I can only surmise that you were drunk from the early success (judging from your commentary I didnt see the match :( ) and charged in without doing the obvious ... which (as I am sure you well know and would have done if you werent thus inubrated) would be to advance on them in turtle formation (holding back your drones) and having the Curse and Raven put the pain on TT to weaken a bit the Impoc's cap... once all 3 in range then and only then should you have gone for the Impoc with Eos closest Curse and Raven hanging a bit back... But now I am becoming the armchair general... all I meant to say was respect for MC and the way you bring it in the tourney and on TQ but I am sure you kicking yourselves for the range error a lot more than your post is letting show. I wish to you that you manage to advance and produce the shining performances that will make you forget this. As for TT I hate his guts after last year's scum that finished off the Trust team but he does the same to all enemies... they give away easy frig+reckon kills and people then are just shocked by what the Impoc - Abso combo can do... hats off to them ... I have to say pretty much QFT to crellion here - Seleene, with all the respect in the world (which I think your showing in the tourney has earned), every part of your OP is fair and honest with the exception of seeming to blame the size of the arena and murphy and anything else for not being in remote rep range - because I would have thought it was obvious to ORDER your small ships at the start to stay within rep range of the big one - in fact, I did think that, and I did say that to my team! This isnt even a hint of me trying to gloat, as that would be ridiculous. This is me saying, I agreed wholeheartedly with your strategy, ignored the rubbish about "armour tank cnr???" and still felt that a bit of maneuvring should have been essential to your strategy. Im sure if you were piloting your megathron on Seleene you wouldnt struggle to think about range with blasters, so why not on Erilyn? I guess it was just the missile boat effect...? In truth, it is easy, oh so easy, for these tournament matches to change in seconds, and in the heat of the hardest group, facing the rarest ship in game (I dont count the fedathron, it wont see combat), there's no blame to be cast. I should hope that nobody's respect for you guys is changed by this. It was a great fight to watch. ---\|\|---
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:25:00 - [27] i was quite critical about this match and MC strategy in particular :P looking it on TV was not possible to see that your team split up and i tought you had a full dps/damp setup and no support/repairers to keep the curse (heart of your strategy alive) i had taken a huginn expecting that setup anyway to capitalize range advantage given by missiles and damps but i alsoo see that you had the plan to keep the curse alive and was not just an "attrition war" as i suspected in first instance. for IAC, sure kudos for their bravery... but also i think they where extremely lucky both in this and previous tournament
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:28:00 - [28] Having the cohones to go after arguably the rarest ship in the game and losing is no loss in my book, well fought to both sides, and one of the better fights I've seen .
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:29:00 - [29] I went from saying crap crap crap to...woohooo....that was awesome to watch from both sides....and with MC still showing contracts in the southeast....it's like pure rivalries...with respect.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:40:00 - [30] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 13:42:04 Originally by: El Yatta seeming to blame the size of the arena and murphy and anything else for not being in remote rep range - because I would have thought it was obvious to ORDER your small ships at the start to stay within rep range of the big one - in fact, I did think that, and I did say that to my team! It's just one of those things that I can't explain, m8. My people knew their jobs and, near as I could tell, everything was going fine. But, like I said, I didn't even realize that our Curse was that far away until I hit the rep button. I think what happened is that our Curse was set to orbit the enemy Cruse. When we popped him, our Curse should have closed back on me (as was the plan) but with moving his NOS over to Raem, shifting his drones over, etc... I guess that one step just got forgotten. My Frigates stayed tucked in close and I actually did manage to rep them a couple times and save them from enemy drones for a bit. Our Eos had a web and was supposed to be moving in and out to assist with keeping the enemy team held up a bit. That's why he was out of range and it looked to me like he got webbed as well. I did burn 2/3 of my cap MWDing to try to get a rep on him, but Tyrrax has some INSANE damage pumping out of that Absolution. We ****** up. That's all there is to it. I am happy to see that most people understand what we were trying to do. One of the coolest things about this Tourney is how professional everyone has been. I spoke to Raem right after the match and he was very honest about IAC's thoughts before and during the fight. I haven't spoken to Tyrrax yet as I suspect he was about as drained as I was after 24 hours of planning. I'm just looking forward to our last match against Red Skull next weekend. I'm not sure what we're going to pull out of our bag of tricks, but if I could find a way to drop a Nyx or an Aeon into the ring at this point I would probably do it. PS - I wanna read about other people's matches too, damnit! Stop whoring my thread, drink some coffee and get to work! - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 13:51:00 - [31] Originally by: darth solo the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"... tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it. would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too. d solo. It's been stressful as hell for me every single time. It gets to the point that I don't enjoy playing EVE for close to a month afterwards, so I always take sanity breaks afterwards. Seriously, these PvP tournaments are some of the most stressful things I ever do, which is stupid since they are also, in a way, the most insignificant (compared to, say, work or school). Anyway, Seleene, the "Roadtrip Ship" problem is very common in the tournament. I mean, REALLY common. You change course for something, then get distracted by the BILLIONS OF ISK WORTH OF SHIPS ON THE FIELD, or the fact that everyone is a-shooting you, or you just go to follow the target, the facts of life obscured by the hunt... and you realize you left your sluggish support ship behind. I know I've had it happen to me. (Additionally, my mouse in the last tourney had a tendency to turn off and on right again, causing it to double-click at the weirdest moments, such as when I was adjusting the camera, or highlighting names. I fought the entire last tournament from the same view angle, since I was way too scared of accidentally leaving the cluster and our remote reps while panning around). I have to say, I never expected an MC pilot to run afoul with that mistake though. I'm a newbie carebear, so my margin of error is the size of Manhattan, but there you go. ---- Where's my soup?
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:04:00 - [32] Originally by: Seleene PS - I wanna read about other people's matches too, damnit! Stop whoring my thread, drink some coffee and get to work! But Seleene...I'm at work....and I am drinking coffee.....
Janice Forge	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:16:00 - [33] Quote: By all rights, we would have... should have won last night. like many things, all that matters is the score at the end of the game... that said "should have, could have, but didn't"
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Raem Civrie Originally by: darth solo the tourny is funny... the key to it is the actual first few seconds after u see what ur enemy team has.. all u hear on vent is "oh no we are screwed" or "ooo this is looking good"... tbh its been far too much stress for me, iv not enjoyed it. would have been nice to have blown up that impoc, looked close too. d solo. It's been stressful as hell for me every single time. It gets to the point that I don't enjoy playing EVE for close to a month afterwards, so I always take sanity breaks afterwards. Seriously, these PvP tournaments are some of the most stressful things I ever do, which is stupid since they are also, in a way, the most insignificant (compared to, say, work or school). Anyway, Seleene, the "Roadtrip Ship" problem is very common in the tournament. I mean, REALLY common. You change course for something, then get distracted by the BILLIONS OF ISK WORTH OF SHIPS ON THE FIELD, or the fact that everyone is a-shooting you, or you just go to follow the target, the facts of life obscured by the hunt... and you realize you left your sluggish support ship behind. I know I've had it happen to me. (Additionally, my mouse in the last tourney had a tendency to turn off and on right again, causing it to double-click at the weirdest moments, such as when I was adjusting the camera, or highlighting names. I fought the entire last tournament from the same view angle, since I was way too scared of accidentally leaving the cluster and our remote reps while panning around). I have to say, I never expected an MC pilot to run afoul with that mistake though. I'm a newbie carebear, so my margin of error is the size of Manhattan, but there you go. Its very easy to say 'oh he made a mistake', the problem was the shear ammount of things that had to be done by each MC Pilot in that team to combat the circle jerk going on there Mistakes happen. Some count some dont :) At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Seleene too long reading at it imo was a bit your fault... orbiting mean you are going to split, expecially if the target is the 3rd ship to kill and is supposed to be heavy supported... by the time the enemy will go down your curse will be too away from you, with also the risk to get "trapped" to manually adjust speed to keep range is imo a better solution in this situation where you need to keep the group "compact". to use the EOS to slow down enemy was imo a good idea, but again a bit low on attention and it came the disaster :P anyway kudos to MC for a setup different than the nosage/dronage fest that seem so dominant and its offensive strategy... just a bit sad to see a good team to not reach finals cause of small mistake imo caused by low "attention"... but it will go better next time
Vicious Malicious Minmatar Boon-a-ma-i	Posted - 2006.12.04 14:43:00 - [36] I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record. They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be.
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:11:00 - [37] Originally by: Vicious Malicious I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record. They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be. it's funny 'cuz it's true ____________ The Priory Killboard
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:12:00 - [38] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/12/2006 15:15:31 Originally by: Vicious Malicious I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record. They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be. Why do you feel the need to use an alt to make your comments about the MC why not use your main? Because this isn't the first time i've seen you try and smack us.
Vicious Malicious Minmatar Boon-a-ma-i	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:18:00 - [39] This seems to be your defense to everything, try to write off the truth by saying that "omg you are an alt" well guess what, this has been my main character for the past year, so your feeble attempts to back away from someone telling you that your group has become the biggest crock of sh*t in eve over the past 6 months is just more proof to the facts that you have no real defense against the statements. If you would simply admit that the MC can't do what they used too and aren't nearly as elite of a group anymore......that would at least be respectable......but every so subtley trying to keep your image of uberness is getting really pathetic.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:20:00 - [40] Someone sounds annoyed
Vicious Malicious Minmatar Boon-a-ma-i	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:23:00 - [41] annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Vicious Malicious annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future Thats your opinion and your more than welcome to it, but as long as people keep wanting to hire us, people must still think we do a good job. Regarding the alt statement you don't seem to have any standings for someone who's been playing over a year
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:29:00 - [43] Originally by: Vicious Malicious I hate kittens and puppies too. Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that? I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:30:00 - [44] Originally by: Vicious Malicious annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future Ifni, is that you? [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Vicious Malicious Minmatar Boon-a-ma-i	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Vicious Malicious I hate kittens and puppies too. Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that? I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down. .....first off, i was pretty much talking about kittens and puppies , and secondly fair enough on the detailed analysis thing but i think that it steers the conversation in a direction of saying we should have won instead of saying we lost and we did so because of being tactically unsound and for no other reason. IAC of course aren't ANYONE to be ashamed of losing too, especially with the fleet they put out there....and i think it should be stated that way
Tehyarec Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:54:00 - [46] It was a good fight at any rate. People going "OMG WTF" on an armor tanked Raven are just clueless, so they can be disregarded. But "should have won" with your setup..? Maybe, maybe not. Even if the Curse died due to ranging mistake, what of the frigs then? They died just fine as well. And of course it's sloppy to make mistakes regarding range anyway. Granted, it's a tough situation, but MC should have experience on tough situations both in and out of the tournament But at the end of it, a good fight, which is all that matters really!
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Vicious Malicious Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Vicious Malicious I hate kittens and puppies too. Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that? I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down. .....first off, i was pretty much talking about kittens and puppies , and secondly fair enough on the detailed analysis thing but i think that it steers the conversation in a direction of saying we should have won instead of saying we lost and we did so because of being tactically unsound and for no other reason. IAC of course aren't ANYONE to be ashamed of losing too, especially with the fleet they put out there....and i think it should be stated that way It was. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:56:00 - [48] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Vicious Malicious annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future Ifni, is that you? That or Aneu has got himself a new fanboi alt
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.04 15:59:00 - [49] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Vicious Malicious I hate kittens and puppies too. Actually, there are no excuses in this thread. I've openly admitted that we screwed up in painstaking detail. There is spin in that? I'd enjoy reading other people's detailed analysis of how they feel they have performed as well. Not everyone got to watch EVE TV and this forum is their best resource for hearing about how things went down. As you know, we really dont like starting our own threads, to talk about ourselves, etc, but I think maybe we will make an exception for the tournament. You will have to wait till after next sunday so I know how far we get, of course. It'll probably be from my point of view as planner, with contributions from the team who flew, because they're usually too busy grunting and dragging their knuckles to write the whole thing. So, maybe. ---\|\|---
Admiral Pieg Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:08:00 - [50] Originally by: Vicious Malicious I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record. They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be. haha this is so true .. they did it in the last tourney too. Anyway, it was a good fight, but you dont need to explain yourself everytime you lose. ______________ Pod from above.
Cividari Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:09:00 - [51] One of the reasons people arent writing more "war stories" about their fight is that they might not want to give out detailed information on their setups etc when they still have fights left that matter. Next week we should hopefully see more detailed reports since then teams can write about their weaknesses and mistakes without having other teams exploiting it. Btw, does this effectively mean that MC are out of the tournament now? Shame to see one of the best teams get kicked out, "group of death" indeed.
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:15:00 - [52] Edited by: Lunas Feelgood on 04/12/2006 16:20:18 Originally by: Sivona Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Vicious Malicious annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future Ifni, is that you? That or Aneu has got himself a new fanboi alt Hehe I dont think aneu and his hordes of alt dislike MC, I only think he really hates BOB. Anyway selene you gusy took a chance and it didnt work no big deal.. I wish you guys the best of luck for the rest of you matches. Edit: FFs Seelene while i was typing this i juts lost my alt in his munin to sentry guns, didnt realise i had undock.. I blame you
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:20:00 - [53] Originally by: Vicious Malicious annoyed....yeah, as should the rest of the intelligent contingency of eve, it's been far too long with the MC producing a half-4ssed product and continuing to market themselves in the upper echelon, learn to take your medicine, cause it's been coming alot lately and i don't see it getting any better for you in the future Ironically, our stats for the last six months are as good as they've ever been. Here's a little breakdown for you: Jan - June 2005 Kills: 61.16 Bil ISK Losses: 6.7 Bil ISK Ratio: 9.12 July - Dec 2005 Kills: 56.7 Bil ISK Losses: 11.2 Bil ISK Ratio: 5.05 Jan - June 2006 Kills: 65.9 Bil ISK Losses: 8.96 Bil ISK Ratio: 7.35 June - Dec 2006 (Results to date) Kills: 75 Bil ISK Losses: 11.1 Bil ISK Ratio: 6.75 Before about 6-7 months ago, the only service we offered was essentially glorified Empire ganking. It was a useful service certainly (and one which we still offer), but it rarely won wars. Since then, we've stepped up onto a whole new playing-field. We can threaten alliances directly now. We fatally wounded Big Blue. We turned the tide in the battle for UNITY station. We gave IAC the shock of their life when we initially took The Distillery. This stuff has had 100x the impact of what we used to do. The only thing that appears to have gotten worse is the number of people dissing us on the forums - I guess we must have ****ed a few people off along the way! I think you need to spend more time watching what is actually going on in-game, and less time reading forum threads. Anyway, this is way off-topic so I will shut up. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
JOSEPHx Caldari Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Sivona At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match. I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament. -
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:28:00 - [55] Alts? Pfft, I either post with one of my two mains, or I don't at all. As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it. You've given your break down of what you intended to do and where it went wrong and its nice to see you taking it so well and in the way its meant to be taken. It's a tournament for fun inside a game that we play for fun, so you get alot of what respect I may have left in return for standing up and explaining it all. It was one of the best fights of the tournament so far and was definately worth watching. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
QwaarJet Gallente Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:35:00 - [56] This tournament isn't supposed to be fun. Most people I talk to don't enjoy it because of the pressure, and often i'm included in that school of thought. It's about pride and being at the pinnacle of PvP. It's alright sitting on a chair analysing it saying it should be taken as fun, but for the pilots, this tournament is deadly serious, and some people have sacrificed a lot in real life to be able to take part and prepare. I don't think people realise how much rides on this tournament for a lot of people and alliances. "Hobbes, she stepped into the Perimeter Of Wisdom.Run!"
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Ifni As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it. I think people are just a bit confused over your logic. It was a close match, not some ridiculous beatdown. Why on earth would that put anyone off from hiring us? ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 16:41:00 - [58] Edited by: Sivona on 04/12/2006 16:41:33 Originally by: JOSEPHx Originally by: Sivona At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match. I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament. - Of course, and you will progress and we wont. However, if you had a shot at the impoc would you take a defensive team and go for the technical victory or would you do anything in your power to break it? Dont lie
El Yatta Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolance	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:01:00 - [59] Originally by: Sivona Edited by: Sivona on 04/12/2006 16:41:33 Originally by: JOSEPHx Originally by: Sivona At the end of the day we lost, we oculd of fielded the huginn and been ultra defensive and gone for a points win but who in their right mind does that Its about fun i think this was a lot more fun for all involved than another ASCN style match. I agree, defensive setups dont entertain, however, we don't have the cash backup to field wacky setups, it may have looked boring to viewers and i'm dissapointed we couldn't break the turtle's back but it was exciting for us and got us an extra 3 points which is all that really matters in your first tournament. - Of course, and you will progress and we wont. However, if you had a shot at the impoc would you take a defensive team and go for the technical victory or would you do anything in your power to break it? Dont lie Well... its a hard one to answer, and it might be worth me saying that if we were to face the IAC now it kinda looks as if it would have to be in the final, should we manage to get that far. So your question isnt really "would you try to take down a one-of-a-kind 100bn ISK ship at all costs instead of a win", its "would you try to take down a one-of-a-kind 100bn ISK ship at all costs, instead of getting two of your own...". ---\|\|---
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:08:00 - [60] Originally by: Ifni As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it. Ifni, I didn't know you were one of the commentators until a few mins ago. Typically I find your commentary to be well informed and thought out. TBH, I'd expect someone of your knowledge to get what we were doing and why, even if it took a couple minutes to figure it out. Instead, you used the oppertunity to get in a cheap jab at us? That's not like you from what I know. Originally by: Cividari One of the reasons people arent writing more "war stories" about their fight is that they might not want to give out detailed information on their setups etc when they still have fights left that matter. Next week we should hopefully see more detailed reports since then teams can write about their weaknesses and mistakes without having other teams exploiting it. Perhaps, however it doesn't mean people can't talk about what they have already done. TBH, I'm really amazed at the lack of discussion going on in this forum considering some of the amazing stuff I saw this weekend. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Yurito Amarr Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:16:00 - [61] Originally by: Redundancy It was a damn good fight, and I was on the edge of my seat cheering for you when it looked like the Impoc was going to go down. i thought MC never posted with their alts.. :P oh yeah, it was a great fight. i was freaking out the whole time, and i stopped caring who would win. tournaments are all in good fun :) O_o
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Ifni As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it. Ifni, I didn't know you were one of the commentators until a few mins ago. Typically I find your commentary to be well informed and thought out. TBH, I'd expect someone of your knowledge to get what we were doing and why, even if it took a couple minutes to figure it out. Instead, you used the oppertunity to get in a cheap jab at us? That's not like you from what I know. I've looked at the setup you've posted and I've already replied once to this thread, but rereading your setup I'm still surprised you decided to field it. It's as if you chose to make the fight personal and attempt to kill the Impoc as opposed to ensuring your qualification. So I'm sorry if you feel I have some how been diminished in your eyes for my commentary but your performance in the tournament to date has been erratic at best. You played right into IAC's plans and when combined with some mistakes lost as a result. I'm sure this will encourage the MC forum contingent to come here and relentlessly flame me and threaten to boycott the stream, but the wonder of EVE is that we're entitled to each have our own opinions You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:26:00 - [63] Originally by: Admiral Pieg Originally by: Vicious Malicious I love how when any other team loses...they just lose and move on with it, but when MC loses they feel the need to come and make sure all of eve still love them and put a heartfelt lovefest together to make it all ok. The comments of MC doing well in this tourney is crap, they are 1-2, in case you are stupid that's a losing record. They have lost because their pilots are screwing up, not due too any other spin that seleene or whoever wants to put on it. Really getting old too see the eve community continue to fall into the love mc fest when they are proving time after time that they aren't near the force they used to be. haha this is so true .. they did it in the last tourney too. Anyway, it was a good fight, but you dont need to explain yourself everytime you lose. Sel comes on and explain the details behind what most consider to be the best fight of the Tournament thusfar and these two individuals only see whining and crying about a loss. Sel talks. A lot. He loves details and has no problems laying them out on a public forum so people can what what's going on. He does it for contracts, individual battles, and the PvP Tourney. Sure we could just STFU, take the loss, and walk out. But I think he is one of the most open people and is willing to talk about it. Maybe it'll hurt us in the end, maybe not. But he's an example that other teams can follow for the enjoyment of others and hopefully the betterment of the next Tourny. It allows people who wish they were in the Tourney a "back stage pass" into the team. Sounds like you two have some personal interest in the matter, which is your business. Just goes to show you can't please everyone. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Adamantium Beam	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:27:00 - [64] Where is the movie ?
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:29:00 - [65] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Ifni As for the fight, well I may have come across pretty heavy on the MC, and to be honest, I was. I did ask why people freely gave their money to the MC after seeing a showing like that. I was frankly amazed. I stand by what I said though, seeing an armour tanked Caldari Navy Raven was frankly mind boggling. I did say in my commentary of the fight that it was probably armour tanked due to the higher base EM resists, so it wasn't just Farjung that said it. Ifni, I didn't know you were one of the commentators until a few mins ago. Typically I find your commentary to be well informed and thought out. TBH, I'd expect someone of your knowledge to get what we were doing and why, even if it took a couple minutes to figure it out. Instead, you used the oppertunity to get in a cheap jab at us? That's not like you from what I know. I've looked at the setup you've posted and I've already replied once to this thread, but rereading your setup I'm still surprised you decided to field it. It's as if you chose to make the fight personal and attempt to kill the Impoc as opposed to ensuring your qualification. So I'm sorry if you feel I have some how been diminished in your eyes for my commentary but your performance in the tournament to date has been erratic at best. You played right into IAC's plans and when combined with some mistakes lost as a result. I'm sure this will encourage the MC forum contingent to come here and relentlessly flame me and threaten to boycott the stream, but the wonder of EVE is that we're entitled to each have our own opinions Your more than entitled to your opinion, tbh i wasn't bothered about the jibe, it might convince people not to hire us for the tournament but outside that i dont think it will really matter However if you are going to say 'yah boo, that sucks' can you give your proposal to kill that impoc? :)
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:29:00 - [66] Originally by: Ifni It's as if you chose to make the fight personal and attempt to kill the Impoc as opposed to ensuring your qualification. Ummm... I don't give a damn WHAT the other team fields - I'm going to try to kill every one of them if possible. I've no interest in advancing based on 'points'. The Impoc was just another obstacle in the way and the fourth ship we started shooting at. If all we'd wanted to do was murder that one ship, our set-up would have been more... traditional. Quote: your performance in the tournament to date has been erratic at best. In what way? Seriously? We did more damage to BE than IAC did. We obliterated Xelas in under four minutes. We've been very honest (moreso than anyone else) about the mistakes we made against IAC and it was a damn fine effort on both sides. Where do you get off calling that 'erratic'? Quote: I'm sure this will encourage the MC forum contingent to come here and relentlessly flame me and threaten to boycott the stream, but the wonder of EVE is that we're entitled to each have our own opinions. Yep. But... "boycott the stream"? You mean... not watch? What are you talking about? - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:34:00 - [67] # warning forum troll warning # Firstly: Shield tanking a Raven makes baby jebus cry! Secondly: Ifni: You should have spent the extra isk on a +5 personality implant set as oposed to the low grade sark-arse set you currently have. Stating that you don't know why anyone would hire MC shows how pompus, arrogant and clueless you truely are. For an expert, you sure came of sounding like a chump. Then you come on here and do a backflip saying that it was actually a sound setup. Someone in CCP go down to the local fruit market and but a fresh head of lettuce, its bound to have more personality and arguably more of a clue.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:34:00 - [68] Edited by: Evil Thug on 04/12/2006 17:37:43 I was laughing my ass, when i heard "omg, Seleene, what are you doing - armor tanked raven !!!111", while armor tank raven > shield tank in almost any case. As for range. Yes, if you had curse - then IAC would be doomed. However i don`t know what your pilot thinking, coming into web range, without heavy armor repairs on him. You had total electronic superiority. You only need to stay out of web range, slowly suck everything out of apoc and curse, and then break their tank. I think that curse and eos pilot deserve alot of spanking. But that is the price of having too much brains in your team. Sometimes - they could do all fight, while you are "staying away". Sometimes they miserably fail. Thats life Damn spelling errors !
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:35:00 - [69] It's nice to see Seleene posting on here with the setup and a view of what happened seen through his eyes. My biggest problem here is manifested in Seleene's post, and then in a few answers further down, and it goes something like this: "Please remember that when we're under a lot of pressure and we have a lot of decisions to make on the fly. It's difficult." Are you really under the impression that it's harder for the MC pilots than for anyone else? Yes, you're probably in one of the hardest groups of the tournament, but quite frankly, of the three setups you've fielded only one has been tournament-worthy. I've spoken at length and given my many opinions on the speed Mach, so we'll not go there. The heavy missile system you fielded in the second match, while not hugely innovative, was excellent because it utilised the high-SP count of many of the pilots in the team. If you honestly still feel that armour-tanking a CNR was the best plan against Team Tyrrax's Imperial setup, I wonder how blinded you are by personal grudges. You were distracted by popping shiny stuff, and you made some wrong decisions right from the start. And you completely fell for the IAC strategy by dropping ships into NOS range, and now, you have 3 points from 9. You may well call this a road trip, and that MC don't need to win it, but it's always PR, and losing isn't bad, but losing so magnificently then covering the forums in your excuses doesnt show well. _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:38:00 - [70] I see whats going on here, Ifni is kinda of like Andy Gray, some people like him, some people don't. There is some people that would say to andy gray "wtf noob, you were so harsh against my teams tactics and formation, think you can do better, then go out and manage a team yourself rather than give it large on the pundits bench" [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
NTRabbit Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:47:00 - [71] Edited by: NTRabbit on 04/12/2006 17:50:14 Originally by: Seleene Our Eos had a web and was supposed to be moving in and out to assist with keeping the enemy team held up a bit. That's why he was out of range and it looked to me like he got webbed as well. Guess again
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:49:00 - [72] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Ifni It's as if you chose to make the fight personal and attempt to kill the Impoc as opposed to ensuring your qualification. Ummm... I don't give a damn WHAT the other team fields - I'm going to try to kill every one of them if possible. I've no interest in advancing based on 'points'. The Impoc was just another obstacle in the way and the fourth ship we started shooting at. If all we'd wanted to do was murder that one ship, our set-up would have been more... traditional. Quote: your performance in the tournament to date has been erratic at best. In what way? Seriously? We did more damage to BE than IAC did. We obliterated Xelas in under four minutes. We've been very honest (moreso than anyone else) about the mistakes we made against IAC and it was a damn fine effort on both sides. Where do you get off calling that 'erratic'? Quote: I'm sure this will encourage the MC forum contingent to come here and relentlessly flame me and threaten to boycott the stream, but the wonder of EVE is that we're entitled to each have our own opinions. Yep. But... "boycott the stream"? You mean... not watch? What are you talking about? It's not a competition for honesty. It's not a competition for inflicting damage. It's a competition to win a brace of unique ships. You can use whatever tactics you want, whether they are deemed correct by me or not. I'm here to ensure that we get some good footage. If I hadn't said something I would've been beaten black and blue on the forums for not stating the obvious. So I'm sorry that you're feeling upset with my commentary, but we can't please everyone and today, its you. Originally by: Evil Pookie # warning forum troll warning # Firstly: Shield tanking a Raven makes baby jebus cry! Secondly: Ifni: You should have spent the extra isk on a +5 personality implant set as oposed to the low grade sark-arse set you currently have. Stating that you don't know why anyone would hire MC shows how pompus, arrogant and clueless you truely are. For an expert, you sure came of sounding like a chump. Then you come on here and do a backflip saying that it was actually a sound setup. Someone in CCP go down to the local fruit market and but a fresh head of lettuce, its bound to have more personality and arguably more of a clue. I haven't said it was a good setup, just that I understand why he chose to field it given his posts on here. I stand by what I said, and if you don't like my commentary then feel free to mute the stream when I speak. I'm going to stop posting in this thread at this point because this thread is slowly descending into a 'me vs you' back and forth competition. I've said my part, if you want to discuss it further in private send me an evemail ingame. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:50:00 - [73] Originally by: spiralJunkie Are you really under the impression that it's harder for the MC pilots than for anyone else? Not at all. It's just a fact voiced by many others. Quote: of the three setups you've fielded only one has been tournament-worthy. LOL! Ok. Quote: I've spoken at length and given my many opinions on the speed Mach, so we'll not go there. Our opponents, Burn Eden, were completely taken aback by it and it came very close to working even though they brought a different setup than we expected. TBH, I'll take thier opinion over yours seeing as how they were actually there. Quote: The heavy missile system you fielded in the second match, while not hugely innovative, was excellent because it utilised the high-SP count of many of the pilots in the team. It was boring as hell and simply an update of the one we ran in the last tourney. Quote: If you honestly still feel that armour-tanking a CNR was the best plan against Team Tyrrax's Imperial setup, I wonder how blinded you are by personal grudges. Wow. You REALLY don't get it do you? Dude, I met Tyrrax and Raem in person for the first time over a year ago. I've chatted with them both quite a bit, Raem especially. He and I were on IRC speaking right after the match last night as we both tried to get our heart rates under control. There is no personal grude except for the one you, the 'media' seem intent on creating. If you keep on pushing this issue, one which you know absolutely nothing about, it's only going to make you look even more foolish. Quote: You may well call this a road trip, and that MC don't need to win it, but it's always PR, and losing isn't bad, but losing so magnificently then covering the forums in your excuses doesnt show well. Excuses? Jesus... You know... I find it abso-*****-lutely amazing that when anyone comes on these forums and puts forth a little extra effort that inevitably someone decides that there is more to it. All I wanted to do was write up a 'behind the scenes' type of report for the people who couldn't watch it and were curious as to why we did what we did. How does being open about what and how we are doing equate to making excuses**? Unbelievable.... - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:52:00 - [74] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 04/12/2006 17:54:19 Originally by: spiralJunkie It's nice to see Seleene posting on here with the setup and a view of what happened seen through his eyes. My biggest problem here is manifested in Seleene's post, and then in a few answers further down, and it goes something like this: "Please remember that when we're under a lot of pressure and we have a lot of decisions to make on the fly. It's difficult." Are you really under the impression that it's harder for the MC pilots than for anyone else? Yes, you're probably in one of the hardest groups of the tournament, but quite frankly, of the three setups you've fielded only one has been tournament-worthy. I've spoken at length and given my many opinions on the speed Mach, so we'll not go there. The heavy missile system you fielded in the second match, while not hugely innovative, was excellent because it utilised the high-SP count of many of the pilots in the team. If you honestly still feel that armour-tanking a CNR was the best plan against Team Tyrrax's Imperial setup, I wonder how blinded you are by personal grudges. You were distracted by popping shiny stuff, and you made some wrong decisions right from the start. And you completely fell for the IAC strategy by dropping ships into NOS range, and now, you have 3 points from 9. You may well call this a road trip, and that MC don't need to win it, but it's always PR, and losing isn't bad, but losing so magnificently then covering the forums in your excuses doesnt show well. Shut the **** up, seriously. :) You have no clue whatsoever about the PvP aspect of this game, which is fine, which is why you are presenting the show and you have "experts" helping you. "Only one of these setups was tournament worthy" - omg. :) We as an alliance have always prefered an agressive fighting style. While defensive turtling and NOSing might be the win-button in current small scale PvP and this tournament it doesn't mean people can't field setups that might work but that require a lot less mistakes and more pilot skill. :) - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Miss Mel	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:54:00 - [75] why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:55:00 - [76] Originally by: Seleene There is no personal grude except for the one you, the 'media' seem intent on creating. If you keep on pushing this issue, one which you know absolutely nothing about, it's only going to make you look even more foolish. Then explain to me why there was a thread a few days ago where it dropped to MC and IAC smacking each other about how 'IAC have beaten you MC kids twice, once out of the tournament and once inside' _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
jamesw Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:55:00 - [77] Seriously all you MC guys need to stop whining and making excuses. Tyrrax's team had a good setup, and you had to try something 'out of the box' to win. It didnt work and you got owned. Thats about all there is to say really. -- Latest Vid: Domination!
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:56:00 - [78] Originally by: jamesw Seriously all you MC guys need to stop whining and making excuses. Tyrrax's team had a good setup, and you had to try something 'out of the box' to win. It didnt work and you got owned. Thats about all there is to say really. Can you people even read? Seriously. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:57:00 - [79] With this said, good luck MC in the last fight, we're all off to get drunk and eat whalemeat, all paid for by your 1 bil tournament entries. See y'all Friday. _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:57:00 - [80] I think this year while we wait between the semi final and the final we should have a special MC V EVETV "grudge match" Lets see who has the biggest balls then. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:57:00 - [81] With this said, good luck MC in the last fight, we're all off to get drunk and eat whalemeat, all paid for by your 1 bil tournament entries. See y'all Friday. _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:58:00 - [82] Originally by: jamesw Seriously all you MC guys need to stop whining and making excuses. Tyrrax's team had a good setup, and you had to try something 'out of the box' to win. It didnt work and you got owned. Thats about all there is to say really. Is that what my original and following posts are? Excuses? - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:59:00 - [83] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think this year while we wait between the semi final and the final we should have a special MC V EVETV "grudge match" Lets see who has the biggest balls then. I am entirely up for this :)
Max Teranous Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 17:59:00 - [84] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti I think this year while we wait between the semi final and the final we should have a special MC V EVETV "grudge match" Lets see who has the biggest balls then. Now THAT's a good idea ! Spiral, you keen? Max --------------------
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:00:00 - [85] post with your main spiraljunk, post with your main!
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:01:00 - [86] Originally by: Evil Pookie post with your main spiraljunk, post with your main! I did, when i started this thread _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Shin Ra BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:04:00 - [87] Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Evil Pookie post with your main spiraljunk, post with your main! I did, when i started this thread remind us
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:06:00 - [88] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Evil Pookie post with your main spiraljunk, post with your main! I did, when i started this thread remind us Well its someone in Maelstrom alliance but who is another question.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:08:00 - [89] I'd be up for beating down on the MC, but the logisitcs of it may be a little tricky since this is an alliance tournament and we're all from far flung factions. We could probably do it on Sisi, although I'm sure someone will deem this "not real". You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:12:00 - [90] Slap the curse pilot :/ Otherwise it was a good strategy, and armour tank raven ftw in this case ;) And the speed mach <3 Guess what these are random setups and they are GOOD setups, Sivona deserves kudos for these plans. Sure you dont have 9 points, instead pvpers who are worth a damn think it was great. If crazy. But crazys good yeh You can go through the battles and see what setups work, for the most part its cookie cutter stuff, which if this was a proper contract or whatever im sure MC would be using if it was proper fights...but as said this is about entertainment, not politics or the EVE cluster.
spiralJunkie Minmatar EveTV	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:12:00 - [91] Originally by: Ifni I'd be up for beating down on the MC, but the logisitcs of it may be a little tricky since this is an alliance tournament and we're all from far flung factions. We could probably do it on Sisi, although I'm sure someone will deem this "not real". I'd love to, but I don't have a machariel. I could bring a Cerb, and armour tank it? _ Eeeeeeeeeeh, I don't think Titans are particularly Cost Effective - Goonswarm
Lunas Feelgood Euphoria Released	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:15:00 - [92] To all partys calm down This tournament is very diffenrent compared to the last 2.. There is no Win fit, It comes down to you pilots and you abilities to change tactics all the time.. Personally I think the team, who can field most different setups and tactics gonna win this time.. I heard alot saying that nossing and drones is the win button and i can tell you its not.. There is allways countermeasures and thats is what makes this tournament great.. Also I dont think its fair towards MC, they tryed something it didnt work and thats about it.. That doesnt make seelene and MC worse pvp¦ers then they allrdy were Joking The armor tanked raven was indeed thinking out of the box and for that I salute you seelene even if it didnt work.. And best of luck to all the teams next weekend.. And eVE TV keep up the good work Regards Lunas
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:15:00 - [93] dna? whotheF are they? the only problem i have with your statement about beating down the MC is well your obvious inability to make that happen. It would never happen on tranquility, i would not happen on singularity, about the only place your likely to achieve a beat down on MC is when you go sleepy bobos. 'those that can, do, those that can't commentate'
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:16:00 - [94] Originally by: Velsharoon Slap the curse pilot :/ Otherwise it was a good strategy, and armour tank raven ftw in this case ;) And the speed mach <3 Guess what these are random setups and they are GOOD setups, Sivona deserves kudos for these plans. Sure you dont have 9 points, instead pvpers who are worth a damn think it was great. If crazy. But crazys good yeh You can go through the battles and see what setups work, for the most part its cookie cutter stuff, which if this was a proper contract or whatever im sure MC would be using if it was proper fights...but as said this is about entertainment, not politics or the EVE cluster. Thank you vels well said.
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:17:00 - [95] Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Ifni I'd be up for beating down on the MC, but the logisitcs of it may be a little tricky since this is an alliance tournament and we're all from far flung factions. We could probably do it on Sisi, although I'm sure someone will deem this "not real". I'd love to, but I don't have a machariel. I could bring a Cerb, and armour tank it? You realise that one of the most effective ships is armour tanked ecm ravens yeh? Its like saying OMG THEY USE NOS ON THE MEGA EVEN THO THERE IS NO BONUS ROFLCOPTORS
Latex Mistress Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:20:00 - [96] I can't even believe what I'm seeing from the EVETV crew in this thread... Seriously. LM Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
Alita Tiphares	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:20:00 - [97] Originally by: Evil Pookie dna? whotheF are they? Havent played for very long have you
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Latex Mistress I can't even believe what I'm seeing from the EVETV crew in this thread... Seriously. To be honest, I'm not sure if this is reflecting particularly well on either party. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:23:00 - [99] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/12/2006 18:25:59 Originally by: spiralJunkie Originally by: Ifni I'd be up for beating down on the MC, but the logisitcs of it may be a little tricky since this is an alliance tournament and we're all from far flung factions. We could probably do it on Sisi, although I'm sure someone will deem this "not real". I'd love to, but I don't have a machariel. I could bring a Cerb, and armour tank it? I can't decide if you are making a joke or if you are having a dig again?
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:34:00 - [100] Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it WTF?? I love when tards speak....and I will agree that it's the public that has amped this battle. I assure you IAC and MC both have respect for each other when MC was hired to take down all of our pos's....love stront...it was a close fight until the curse went bye bye...then the eos was the obvious next for the points...after that it was all bonus material. People should focus on the future instead of the past....
Heinky Amarr BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:35:00 - [101] OMG, whats up with people ? MC brought great setup to the last 3 matches. The mach setup was very nice and almost worked , was just unlucky that they lost the match nothing else. The tanked raven setup was a great idea against iac, could have worked. To evetv people replying here: U might be behind the cam but your not in the tourney, what they bring out to fight is their own choice if u dont like it say it infront of the box, and remember U report the news but MC is the news.
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:39:00 - [102] Edited by: Raem Civrie on 04/12/2006 18:40:06 Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it Let's run through the lineup. Tyrrax Thorrk is the IAC diplomat Tigress is the IAC President Orvas Dren is a regular IAC PvP'er Jim Raynor is a freeloader (not IAC) Uuve a bit as well, but he helps during IAC's wars NTRabbit is just there for the beer. Raem (me) has been in IAC for close to a year. Four of us are ex-GHSC (Jim, NTR, Uuve, Me), this is true, but that's because Umbra Congregatio and IAC is sort of a GHSC Rehab Center. You know, reintegrating griefers into society. This tournament is Community Service, for the Make Benefit of IAC Morale. ---- Where's my soup?
Enigmier	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:40:00 - [103] Nice report Seleene, your tactics were completely valid, armor tanking raven is far superior to sheild tanking when facing known amarr opposition. you cant plan for pilot error, its part of the game, its the way people get ships killed, and to all those who are slating the armor tanked raven for this contest, please go buy a clue
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:40:00 - [104] Well this is the best thread in this section to date, can't wait for the weekend now. I'll say this, not really a big fan of MC, but i find it funny how people love to knock people when the fail at doing the someone that person has themselves never done. I am not saying you shouldn't be a commentator, not at all, just don't be as harsh, it just sets you up for a fall if you were ever to take part in the tournament. As the saying goes, "easier said than done". [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Miss Mel	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:45:00 - [105] Edited by: Miss Mel on 04/12/2006 18:46:09 Originally by: Raem Civrie Edited by: Raem Civrie on 04/12/2006 18:40:06 Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it Let's run through the lineup. Tyrrax Thorrk is the IAC diplomat Tigress is the IAC President Orvas Dren is a regular IAC PvP'er Jim Raynor is a freeloader (not IAC) Uuve a bit as well, but he helps during IAC's wars NTRabbit is just there for the beer. Raem (me) has been in IAC for close to a year. Four of us are ex-GHSC (Jim, NTR, Uuve, Me), this is true, but that's because Umbra Congregatio and IAC is sort of a GHSC Rehab Center. You know, reintegrating griefers into society. This tournament is Community Service, for the Make Benefit of IAC Morale. haha yeah right griefer reintegration, sure thats exactly what you guys are doing, all just ex ghsc who happen to be devoted to iac and fighting for them with no ties to ghsc at all. so why is istvaan threatening people and protecting you if you aren't ghsc anymore hey? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436611
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 18:55:00 - [106] 1.) Burn Eden and MC on the same side? It's a good thing Eyeshadow stopped playing or else he'd probably die on the spot. 2.) There was a lot of mutual respect in this thread and hardly any smack. I thought people would like an inside look at things and hoped it would encourage others. What really bothers me about the way this thread has gone is how motivated do you think others will be to post reports like mine if the only thing that happens is people tear them to shreds? - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:05:00 - [107] Originally by: Miss Mel haha yeah right griefer reintegration, sure thats exactly what you guys are doing, all just ex ghsc who happen to be devoted to iac and fighting for them with no ties to ghsc at all. so why is istvaan threatening people and protecting you if you aren't ghsc anymore hey? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436611 Ever hear of friendship? Cretin.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:22:00 - [108] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Originally by: Miss Mel haha yeah right griefer reintegration, sure thats exactly what you guys are doing, all just ex ghsc who happen to be devoted to iac and fighting for them with no ties to ghsc at all. so why is istvaan threatening people and protecting you if you aren't ghsc anymore hey? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436611 Ever hear of friendship? Cretin. I guess that's another hangar that needs a new padlock. -- Thukkers do
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:25:00 - [109] i was quite critical about this fight and personally i liked Seleene insight post. it makes things a lot clearer and had not the impression he tried to justify their loss... he just said... we planned this and things went in this way... what i don't understand are "acid" comments from evetv staff.. the setup was not worth for a tournament? a raven should be not armortanked? wtf? a good thing about eve is flexibility and to think outside the box is generally a good thing. imo their setup was good (i had used something else but that's my taste) as Sele said it had not worked more for player mistakes than for a wrong global strategy... so where is the problem? there is no rule that say a raven should be shieldtanked (actually in pvp i'll armortank it anyday) nor that you have to stick with a "flavor of the tourney" strategy. all this smack is simply a nonsense, expecially on a post that try to clarify what happened and the team intent giving maybe an opportunity to discuss... mah
BlackHorizon Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:29:00 - [110] Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it Nonsense. Orvas is GHSC? It's simply a matter of who has the right skills.
Tehyarec Erasers inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 19:34:00 - [111] WTF, is there no end to the Raven bashing? While I'd never use a Raven myself (cosmetic reasons mostly, hah), there's NOTHING wrong with armor-tanking a Raven for PVP. You can field EW and tackling in the mids. There's no bonus to shield-tanking on a Raven, so you don't even miss out on any bonuses. I wonder how much PVP have people who diss armor-tanked Ravens actually done. I'm no PVP guru, and even I know armor-tanked EW Ravens are nasty, nasty things. A shield-tanked Raven does just that, tanks, but you can't actually hamper enemy operations like you can with EW. In a situation like this, EW can be preferable. Especially considering you even get nice resists against Amarr by using armor as a side bonus.
Ikvar Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:00:00 - [112] I find it quite funny, everything aside, that SpiralJunkie feels the need to be so hostile to not just us, but a LOT of people so much and yet he's representing CCP just as much as an actual member of CCP staff when he's doing this Originally by: Rekindle I was in an empire system when they used their grief tactics to explode everything I own.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:04:00 - [113] Edited by: Kyguard on 04/12/2006 20:05:26 Meh, reading this thread, it seems that Seleene did have the right intentions when he wrote this, but then again remembering the previous thread where MC pilots were completely smacking IAC before the match.. what comes around, goes around. You can interpret this thread in two ways really. I can see how some people got hostile when they wrote their reply. === It's great being Amarr, aint it?(tm) [Insert badass sig to match ego here]
Alita Tiphares	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:07:00 - [114] Originally by: Ikvar I find it quite funny, everything aside, that SpiralJunkie feels the need to be so hostile to not just us, but a LOT of people so much and yet he's representing CCP just as much as an actual member of CCP staff when he's doing this I find this strange aswell. I heard overweight people were supposed to be jolly.. what gives?
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:08:00 - [115] Edited by: maGz on 04/12/2006 20:08:26 Originally by: Seleene What really bothers me about the way this thread has gone is how motivated do you think others will be to post reports like mine if the only thing that happens is people tear them to shreds? I think it'll only be BoBs and your reports that turn into flame-fests... Wonder why? ____________ The Priory Killboard
Jimbob McKracken The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:17:00 - [116] Hmmm - Armour tanking a raven means you have aids, being in MC = more aids. Loosing a fight and minging about why you lost and how you did it on purpose becuase your uber and have a large ***** = mega aids. So in summary = MEGA SUPER BAD DOWNRIGHT DIRTY AIDS + MEGA AIDS = MC
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:18:00 - [117] I seriously thought the EvE-TV team was a bit more professional .. King Liu is RIGHT!!
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:20:00 - [118] Don't really care if the theory behind the idea was o.k. the implementation of it was poor. Honestly, are you guys trying to ruin the good name of IAC? People are going to think anyone can stand toe to toe with you now in a fleet battle. Tarnish your good name by doing insanely stupid things and basically giving away your tourney prizes. Or... were you paid to loose? Hey... thats always a good spin for you. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Julien Derida Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:25:00 - [119] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Don't really care if the theory behind the idea was o.k. the implementation of it was poor. Honestly, are you guys trying to ruin the good name of IAC? People are going to think anyone can stand toe to toe with you now in a fleet battle. Tarnish your good name by doing insanely stupid things and basically giving away your tourney prizes. Or... were you paid to loose? Hey... thats always a good spin for you. ---------------------------------------- Chief Inspector of the Style Police - FRICK
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:26:00 - [120] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Don't really care if the theory behind the idea was o.k. the implementation of it was poor. Honestly, are you guys trying to ruin the good name of IAC? People are going to think anyone can stand toe to toe with you now in a fleet battle. Tarnish your good name by doing insanely stupid things and basically giving away your tourney prizes. Or... were you paid to loose? Hey... thats always a good spin for you. They haven't heard anything from their client... ____________ The Priory Killboard
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:28:00 - [121] Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it only NTRabbit is ghsc, the rest of the team is iac. NTRabbit is there to steal the impapoc after the tourney Manlove by Zaphod Jones
shadyfox99 Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 20:52:00 - [122] Magz, i dont know what your problem is, but you always turn up in any MC thread, and try and discredit and bash us. Seriously man, i dont know why you have such a fixation on us, but its disturbing. Stop stalking our threads.
cheru Starlancers	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:00:00 - [123] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Latex Mistress I can't even believe what I'm seeing from the EVETV crew in this thread... Seriously. To be honest, I'm not sure if this is reflecting particularly well on either party. Qft. O.O @ what¦s going on here. I do realise that this is all about a game (in a game (in a game...)) and as such per se made up, also that a bit of drama is part of a good show but wtf, really what is this? The clash of grumpy oversized egos? Too much seriousness, too little anger management? :D From my POV both the IAC vs MC fight in the tourney as well as the commentary as a whole was very enjoyable. Keep up the good work everybody (TV crew as well as combatants) and rest happily on the confidence that you are living legends just because you were there and part of it when professional IntarwebgameTV learned to walk. :) Oh and about the OP: Actually I don¦t want to know exactly how it was done to have me on the edge of my seat during that fight. This is Eve-Circus, not Eve-(virtual)RL. ................................................. been there done that
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:08:00 - [124] Originally by: shadyfox99 Magz, i dont know what your problem is, but you always turn up in any MC thread, and try and discredit and bash us. Seriously man, i dont know why you have such a fixation on us, but its disturbing. Stop stalking our threads. Sorry about that i'll make sure and tell magz that next time mc make one of there "COME PAT US ON THE BACK PLEASE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO DO IT ALL BY OURSELVES!" threads to stay out of it Manlove by Zaphod Jones
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:09:00 - [125] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: shadyfox99 Magz, i dont know what your problem is, but you always turn up in any MC thread, and try and discredit and bash us. Seriously man, i dont know why you have such a fixation on us, but its disturbing. Stop stalking our threads. Sorry about that i'll make sure and tell magz that next time mc make one of there "COME PAT US ON THE BACK PLEASE BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO DO IT ALL BY OURSELVES!" threads to stay out of it He said it... ____________ The Priory Killboard
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:19:00 - [126] Originally by: Miss Mel haha yeah right griefer reintegration, sure thats exactly what you guys are doing, all just ex ghsc who happen to be devoted to iac and fighting for them with no ties to ghsc at all. so why is istvaan threatening people and protecting you if you aren't ghsc anymore hey? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=436611 If it makes any differnence, they already had their chance to steal the one of a kind priceless ship. It seems unlikely that Tyrrax got an 80bil deposit from them :P The Enemy's Gate is Down
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:19:00 - [127] Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 21:24:50 Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion for next time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:22:00 - [128] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion next for time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? OOOOOOOOHHHHHH....this is getting fun.... even though I'm a priory fan...that was a nice shot... I need a beer....no more coffee Seleene...leaving work to start beer....
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:27:00 - [129] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 21:24:50 Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion for next time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? dunno what this post was about, i wasn't discussing your pvp abilities, i simply was stating that i'll tell magz to not flame your next thread when you emos get together and cry on each other's shoulders of how you should of won and it was some odd freak occurance that you lost Manlove by Zaphod Jones
DrDevice The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:31:00 - [130] Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 21:24:50 Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion for next time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? perhaps if i got 5 mil for each time mc didnt post a killmail.... no wait, i did
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:33:00 - [131] Originally by: DrDevice Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 21:24:50 Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion for next time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? perhaps if i got 5 mil for each time mc didnt post a killmail.... no wait, i did Sorry but what has that got to do with anything in this thread? or even this part of the forum.
DrDevice The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:38:00 - [132] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Sorry but what has that got to do with anything in this thread? or even this part of the forum. i'm sorry, i got swept up in the raising firestorm, and lost control
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:38:00 - [133] dr is british you have to excuse him Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:40:00 - [134] Originally by: Murukan dr is british you have to excuse him Well as long as he's not Welsh (joke)
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:41:00 - [135] LOL!! I still love your sig, Murukan. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:43:00 - [136] Heh kinda funny, but the setup Seleene's gut instinct was to field was the one I modified our setup to counter better ;P So I was like "OH **** WE'RE SCREWED" when I saw the ships they actually brought, had weakened us quite a bit for fighting that kinda strategy, but as it turned out it was still way stronger than it needed to be. I don't think it would've changed anything if curse had been in remote repair range of CNR, but I guess it's a moot point so I won't go into why Great fight and only one so far that's had me scared. http://eve.klaki.net/
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:43:00 - [137] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Murukan dr is british you have to excuse him Well as long as he's not Welsh (joke) Welsh people are crap... Let's face it. They hump sheep for gods sake... ____________ The Priory Killboard
remo man Revelations Inc. Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:44:00 - [138] oi! thats racism mother fu*ker :O also as what seems to be a sidenote to this thread and as i've stated in another thread and others have in this, the damp armor tanked cnr would have worked a treat if the curse and the eos hadnt gone too far away and too close.
Lucifer Fellblade Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:50:00 - [139] I'd just like to make a short post here, and say thanks to the guys involved in the fight for making the most exciting match of the tournament so far. ------
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 21:51:00 - [140] Edited by: Murukan on 04/12/2006 21:51:41 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Murukan dr is british you have to excuse him Well as long as he's not Welsh (joke) an odd occurence we've noticed is that every welshmen we've had on vent sounds like a tin can. At first we blamed the mic, but then we started to realize it's cause they are welsh and i must agree seleene, zaphod jones did a nice job on the sig Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:04:00 - [141] Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 04/12/2006 21:51:41 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Murukan dr is british you have to excuse him Well as long as he's not Welsh (joke) an odd occurence we've noticed is that every welshmen we've had on vent sounds like a tin can. At first we blamed the mic, but then we started to realize it's cause they are welsh and i must agree seleene, zaphod jones did a nice job on the sig Well I think we have gone completely off topic now
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:07:00 - [142] well the cause is just, anytime is a good time to rip on the welsh. Manlove by Zaphod Jones

Karass Sayfo Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:08:00 - [143] Thread cleaned from inappropriate flaming and etc. Please remain civil and constructive, even if you dont agree with the strategy and setups involved ;) - Karass Sayfo _______ forum rules \| COAD rules \| [email protected]

Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:23:00 - [144] Originally by: remo man omg how did you guess? from all the baaaaing over vent Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.04 22:25:00 - [145] I just wanna say thank you Seleene for sharing your thoughts on that fight, especially since its one of the most entertaining fights so far in the tournament. Nice to get a little behind the scenes "footage". My fav fights thus far in the tournament have mostly been provided by OMNOR, MC, IAC, D-C and UDIE. Keep it up! BTW! As a fellow MOO vet, I'll try to be on the next fanfest to challenge you for a game of MOOII
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:14:00 - [146] Originally by: Velsharoon Guess what these are random setups and they are GOOD setups, Sivona deserves kudos for these plans. Sure you dont have 9 points, instead pvpers who are worth a damn think it was great. If crazy. But crazys good yeh You can go through the battles and see what setups work, for the most part its cookie cutter stuff, which if this was a proper contract or whatever im sure MC would be using if it was proper fights...but as said this is about entertainment, not politics or the EVE cluster. Thanks vels, coming from you this means a lot to me :)
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:19:00 - [147] Originally by: DrDevice Originally by: Seleene Edited by: Seleene on 04/12/2006 21:24:50 Originally by: Murukan My alliance isn't in the Tournament. Should I loan you a billion for next time so you guys can come show us all how it's done? perhaps if i got 5 mil for each time mc didnt post a killmail.... no wait, i did Yup, you did once :) It was to be fair a mail that did get deleted in the killboard.net crash that was up before that, but as it didn't get reposted within the 48 hrs I wired you the ISK. - - One ship to jam them all, one ship to damp them. One ship to suck them dry and in the dark void gank them.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:19:00 - [148] Since this is the most talked about fight so far, it would be cool if loxyrider could upload a movie for it. Is this not being allowed? The Enemy's Gate is Down
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:20:00 - [149] man we were having such a good discussion on welshmen going on here Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Velsharoon Gallente Finite Horizon The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:23:00 - [150] Originally by: Murukan man we were having such a good discussion on welshmen going on here they like sheep dont they? or is that the english
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:40:00 - [151] Edited by: Traxio Nacho on 04/12/2006 23:40:10 Originally by: Murukan man we were having such a good discussion on welshmen going on here How about starting on the Scots and Irish? No/Yay? runs froms vels
Manus Ghostface Caldari Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.04 23:46:00 - [152] Forumaneurism ate my original post: Summary, great fight, class acts by all parties INVOLVED in the fight, some catty behaviour by some of the studio talking heads. Ignore He Who Badmouths All, and give us more pew pew zoom zoom action. That city is well fortified which has a wall of men instead of brick. - Lycurgus
Razor Jaxx Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.05 00:48:00 - [153] Nice writeup Sel. Without that so slight, yet so critical misstep (curse out of rep range), you'd come out winners, and everyone would be praising the armor-tanked raven strat, and hailing you as tactical geniuses. This tournament's rules & format call for innovative setups and out-of-the-box thinking, as some matches proved, and I find it quite unpleasant when the participants' genuine efforts at coming up with a successful strategy are being belittled by commentators if and when they - sometimes miserably - fail. An in-depth analysis of how or why it failed would certainly be more interesting. That is precisely why I enjoyed Sel's writeup, because it provided actual insight.
Nifel Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 02:11:00 - [154] Edited by: Nifel on 05/12/2006 02:12:37 Nice writeup and it was one of the more enjoyable matches we've seen so far. MC has put on a good show and the mach vs BE was really innovative thinking. Too bad the pilot overshot, but easily among the more interesting setups we've seen so far. As for EVETV I'd have to say I'm surprised spiralJunkie is in here. I thought his role was to be the host that knows how to talk. Not the PVP expert for which other people are brought in. Or am I wrong? And Ifni. MC publically stated before the tournament began (IIRC) that they were gonna put on a show. Given that don't you think calling them down for not going for the safe setups rhymes badly with their stated intent for this tournament? They've done exactly what they said they would do. "When I die I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandpa. Not yelling and screaming like the passengers in his car." RKK Ranking: (MIN14) Sama
Orvas Dren Gallente The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 03:12:00 - [155] Thanks to this people are going to think I am ex-GHSC or something... wonderful... Wait... thats not so bad... GHSC were famous, I was anything but! Yay for cool by association! EVE-Mail me for custom signature work. Price Negotiable
Irimi Nage Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 03:57:00 - [156] Edited by: Irimi Nage on 05/12/2006 04:02:12 EDIT: Goddamn mother fracking forum ate my incredibly long and intelligent post. As I am therefore forced to summarise... 1) MC's tactics rock. Hire mercinaries for the unpredictable element they bring, not for cookie cutter fleets, that's what your own people are for. 2) Infi and spiral f'd up. You're both more boring on eve-tv than Sel's matches and his commentary more entertaining. Ifni should have just accepted that he made some dumb comments, left it alone and moved on. Apparently spiral has been suffering from ebola recently or something so I guess we can forgive his outburst. 3) Props to Farjung and the general crew for keeping it real. 4) Jamesw looks like a horse <3 ---
NTRabbit Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 04:45:00 - [157] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Miss Mel why do people keep calling it the iac team? it's the guiding hand. they're all guiding hand, and just using iac for the contest everyone knows it only NTRabbit is ghsc, the rest of the team is iac. NTRabbit is there to steal the impapoc after the tourney Lies and Slander
ElCoCo KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.05 06:06:00 - [158] If I were in a position to kill that impoc I wouldn't realy... I'd prolly stop and ask him to yield Good show on both sides
Uuve Savisaalo Umbra Congregatio	Posted - 2006.12.05 07:26:00 - [159] Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 05/12/2006 07:31:20 Originally by: Murukan only NTRabbit is ghsc, the rest of the team is iac. NTRabbit is there to steal the impapoc after the tourney Actually he's in it for the colonel's fried chicken recipie. Secret spices and all. That said, i'm a little disheartened to see quite this much hostility and smack in this thread. When I came across a mod's 'cleaned up' note I had a double-take, wondering what it must've looked like before the mop-job. Come on people, we're here to put on a good show and in many ways represent the face of our community to those who know nothing about eve. Please think before you hit the post button, if only for their sake.
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 09:15:00 - [160] Edited by: tigress on 05/12/2006 09:17:19 Hey, this thread needs to soap its mouth it seems :P. The IAC has nothing but respect for the MC, even if beating them is nice and dandy. There is nothing more to it really. Sometimes you win sometimes you loose. And no, I'm far from a GHSC alt. I thought all alts where bobettes?
Ab Initio Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.05 09:31:00 - [161] Great posts from Seleene, as per usual (for those of us who can't watch at the moment, they're invaluable). Good work on the unorthodox setups as well. As for Spiraljunkie and Ifni
Jin Entres Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:26:00 - [162] A few things from my perspective: We admitted to making mistakes, which may have cost us the fight. No excuses. To improve, we reflect on it. I am most surprised, however, at the responses of EVE-TV staff. I've enjoyed the EVE-TV a lot, and prior to reading this thread* I would have had nothing negative to say about the general quality of the commentary, and in fact I think spiralJunkie and others have done a good job. I was flying a Maulus in the match so I can not directly comment on the broadcast commentary during our match I can understand it's not always possible to present fully thought-out analysis briefly after a match. Because of this one should try and avoid making hasty conclusions - especially if they are strongly criticising. What your responses in the thread seem like to me are defensive attempts to cover up in order to not have to go back on your words. As a team, you understandably also protect eachother - at least to some extent. Instead of reading the whole thread therefore and attempting to be objective about it, you just seem to bandwagon in support of your team - which is of course understandable. One of the bigger issues that have come up here is attribution. I'm going to tackle this: "I can't understand why anyone would hire MC after this"* To hire MC is to employ MC to complete a task or a set of tasks or objectives. Unless our failure, or any goal reached through it is one of those goals, it is mandatory for the client to believe in our ability to reach them - or a chance to succeed, evaluated sufficient by the client. In order for our display in the tournament to provide any reliance on our ability outside it, 1. the goals and means to reach them must be similar, 2. our team members' performance must be generalisable to the whole of MC, 3. the strategic choices and the decision-making structure must be generalisable and attributed to permanent characteristics that reliably predict similar future behaviour and 4. we can't and won't learn from our mistakes. 1. Our goals in the tournament were three-fold: have fun, be entertaining and win. Our possible ship choices were numerous, but to strike one between the goals we decided not to go for a cookie-cutter setup but a semi-anti-strategy to IAC's amarrian team that would not auto-lose to a different opposing setup. You are free to disagree on the strategy, but do so constructively (ie. point out the flaws and present arguments). Our goals on contracts usually involve diminishing the freedom and assets of our targets. To compare regular warfare and a controlled, isolated environment with clearly determined different rules is fallacious, and serves no ground for generalisation. 2. Our team is 7 people. MC is over 200. Even if the outcome of the tournament could be attributed to dispositional or personality-based factors, a generalisation would be ridiculous. Furthermore, while piloting errors occured - as admitted - would they occur again? What was the role of situational factors? See fundamental attribution error. 3. Do the same people who devised our tournament strategies decide on all the strategies that contribute to the success or failure of our contracts? Hardly. Are the strategies even similar? No. Otherwise we'd bump the living poo out of our targets. 4. What do you think this thread is about? ---
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 10:34:00 - [163] I'd just like to point out that Jin is one of the few people in MC who can (and often does) out-talk me. Nice post, man. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Frantico Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:08:00 - [164] Good fight keept me on the toes :) i love intresting fights :P Messa <3 loves seleene
Silvestri FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:56:00 - [165] lol...now that smack talking is all aside...and we all agree it was fun. Wasn't it funny how the commentator, I don't know the name....said Tyrrax was going to post on here about how IAC beat MC....little things like that are just ignorant...oh well....what a show it was...wish you could see recaps of all the fights....like a movie gallery....
Silenne Otsaku Amarr Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:08:00 - [166] i was really lucky to watch this match, i've not watch a lot (boracast problem, irl & so), but i've see this match. my first things "OMH they field the Impoc ,IAC vs MC!!!" and whe only the impoc and the bc i was : "he was going down, the impoc ... IAC has the ball to bring his ship, it's a moment of history !" and after they win, they destroy one after the other the MC, was a really good fight. Victory / Defeat relay on strategie and little mistake, the CNR armro tanked is a good idea, at first i was think "ouch , fast shield loss", but a really good fight. Thanks to all the involved party! Ps : i may be cool to incrust on the EveTV stream a IAC vs MC screen before the match, and in the bottom too, it erally help for non english ppl to understand what happen ! Nahh no sign for now :p
deadmaus Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.05 13:50:00 - [167] Originally by: Latex Mistress Sel talks. A lot. He loves details and has no problems laying them out on a public forum so people can what what's going on. He does it for contracts, individual battles, and the PvP Tourney. WTF He, He !!? All this time I have been working up the courage to ask HIM to have my babies!! and all along Selene is a GUY!. I feel so foolish and stunned and let down at the same time. EVE will never be the same for me now.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.05 14:16:00 - [168] Yes, I too was shocked and appalled to find out Seleene was a dude. Then we went out for steaks, and I found out he was kinda hunky. He can carry my babies any time. As for the uninspired geek who tried to badmouth IAC by calling them Guiding Hand, I'll say only this: the words of a shattered man are dust upon the wind.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 14:19:00 - [169] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Yes, I too was shocked and appalled to find out Seleene was a dude. Then we went out for steaks, and I found out he was kinda hunky. He can carry my babies any time. What happens in Iceland stays in Iceland. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.05 14:23:00 - [170] Originally by: Seleene Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Yes, I too was shocked and appalled to find out Seleene was a dude. Then we went out for steaks, and I found out he was kinda hunky. He can carry my babies any time. What happens in Iceland stays in Iceland. That is not a nice image , btw Istvaan Shogaatsu you owe me a cigarette
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.06 20:32:00 - [171] Originally by: Seleene Lastly, the Tournament is not normal PvP. This both sucks and rocks because until youÆve done it, you have no frakkinÆ clue what itÆs like to be here. Nothing else on Tranquility compares to the nerve wracking adrenaline as this contest. So any of you arm-chair generals who feel like you could do better, feel free to field a team yourselves next time. WeÆll be there waiting on you to show us how much better you are. /signed The tournament isn't like normal PVP where it's more wham bam thank you maam or GTFO. You know when you are going to fight, you know who you are going to fight, you have a limited arsenal of ships and mods, and there are thousands of people watching. It's pure nervous adrenaline from about the 2 hours before until your match starts, then it dissipates and you try as hard as you can to execute your strategy, hoping it wins. also, good job with the match MC. I figured out what you were doing from the start (armor tanking against Amarr is def 4tw) and hoped you were going to come out on top. But when you have an intricate plan with many parts, one or two seemingly minor errors can screw it all up. Oh well, it's just a game.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.06 22:07:00 - [172] Morons. How many times you put 5 heavy logistic drones into your drone bay on TQ ? 0 ? 1 ? 2 ? Stfu about about pvp then. Small scale warfare is always about nos\ecm\tank.
Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.07 04:57:00 - [173] Originally by: Evil Thug Morons. How many times you put 5 heavy logistic drones into your drone bay on TQ ? 0 ? 1 ? 2 ? Stfu about about pvp then. Small scale warfare is always about nos\ecm\tank. Logisitic drones are banned in the tourney. - Oz's Tourney Betting Pool
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.07 18:09:00 - [174] Originally by: Evil Thug Morons. How many times you put 5 heavy logistic drones into your drone bay on TQ ? 0 ? 1 ? 2 ? Stfu about about pvp then. Small scale warfare is always about nos\ecm\tank. you obviously have never faced the trio of blasterthrons all with armor repping drones combo.
Elaron Minmatar Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.07 21:25:00 - [175] For me, this was the best fight I've watched in either of the televised Alliance tournaments. Very good scrap; I salute you all.
xh'duality Caldari Caldari Luftwaffe Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.08 09:45:00 - [176] I was very Impressed to see a setup wich was made just to tank the Impoc. Something different for once. I watched the match and was VERY supprised where the CNR's shield droped with in second's. First I tough omfg they didnt tank the CNR Then I saw it was armor tanked (wich I got to say was pretty good). So all in all I say GF and hope we can see more good fight's like this again Also I hate to see how much crap comes out about being honest about plan's wich may have worked but a pilot error's wich cause it to fail. Come on peep's. Seleen was was just trying to show what the plan was and what went wrong. No need of making drama. I was gonna say something from the beginning but watching this seing ppl being childish about this is just plain stupidity. If I would be involved I would have just stoped posting here cause why fight with kid's who have no self respect. Well hope this finlay get's to an end. Cya ya guy's on the field --------------------------------------------------- It take's 10 finger's for to smacktalk and ONLY ONE TO WIN [The all mighty "I WIN BOTTON"]
Dekiri Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 11:40:00 - [177] Edited by: Dekiri on 08/12/2006 11:44:31 Edited by: Dekiri on 08/12/2006 11:40:26 I really don't know what you guys expected. When you put a random person into a "position of power" (eve-tv broadcasting is a lot of power if you can spread your opinions) the chance of that person to get*****y and fly high is about 80%. Only about 20% of the people can theoretically deal with power of any kind (you see that with directors and leaders of corps as well as in RL)and of those maybe again only 2% actually WANT any power. The vast majority flip out and do stupid things. And that is imho what is currently happening. The Eve-TV experts and moderators are having serious self control issues or lack the scope on what they actually are doing in their current position. I suggest some humility and some self management and then maybe a bit more love for those that actually fight in the tournament. And ... how is armor tanked raven "out of the box" ??? Seriously it is not like seleene invented that and it can be very efficient under certain circumstances i would expext so called experts to be up to date on the fitting possibilities of one of the most common ships. Just fyi the armor of the raven is slightly lower then the shield capacity but you start with 20% more base resists on the armor wich makes this nice. So depending on what resists you plan for the armor tank can well be superior then the shield tank. Not to mention that you can use the mids for other stuff that can in certain situations be way more useful then the stuff you can pack into lowslots. I hereby call all who complain about armor tanked ravens newbs with no clue about fitting! -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.08 11:42:00 - [178] Originally by: Troubadour you obviously have never faced the trio of blasterthrons all with armor repping drones combo. Sounds like a waste of DPS. I'd much rather drop one or two blasters than drop my five t2 heavies on a blasterthron. 5 of them would amount to a single LAR, this is true, but in all honesty the maintenance drones aren't that great except when used by larger ships on the smaller. 5 heavy armor maint. drones on an ishkur, for one, is almost cheating. ---- Where's my soup?

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