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Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2015.08.02 21:49:19 -
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Regarding XL sized Citadels...will W-space people be able to have DD's and/or Fighter bomber bays for them? |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:01:36 -
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XL will require sov |
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2015.08.02 22:11:27 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:XL will require sov
What Bronya said. The last official word was that Large will be the biggest one you can build in a WH. |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
138
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Posted - 2015.08.02 23:53:29 -
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well large citadel will be only largest for wspace use the XL one will need sovergnity . wondering only if the wormhole citadels will be entosis-able . if so how we will deal with trollceptors . |
Justin Cody
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
303
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Posted - 2015.08.03 03:28:29 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:XL will require sov
well screw sort dragon |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2015.08.03 04:48:00 -
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Devblog will be out in a few days at most. But the impression i got from the structures slack channel and CCP's responses in there, if i recall Nullarbors words were "If you can get it in a WH you can use it in a WH".
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Prolapse.
2647
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Posted - 2015.08.03 06:24:32 -
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That's called the Girlfriend Principle
Doctor Prince Field Marshall of Prolapse. Alliance and Grand Sasquatch of Bob
We take Batphones. Contact us at Hola Batmanuel - Free call 1800-UR-MOMMA
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calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Unsettled.
365
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Posted - 2015.08.03 06:47:34 -
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Can confirm that Nullarbor stated that as long as you can get the citadel somewhere, you can deploy it. No sov required.
Also no citadels in shattered wormholes unless Fozzie change his mind about them
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
.ORLY is recruiting
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Winthorp
3607
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Posted - 2015.08.03 06:57:08 -
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But the devil is in the detail. And i expect us to be gobsmacked by a lot of other **** when devblog is out.
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
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Bleedingthrough
Raptor Navy
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:23:32 -
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They keep the Blog somewhat up to date.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5305080#post5305080
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Bleedingthrough
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:39:57 -
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Winthorp wrote:But the devil is in the detail.
I got the feeling that they realy want to get this right.
These new POSes are specifically designed to live in ... ergo: for us!
Let's hope they don't listen too much to these null lobbyists and more to people that have a clue like corbex.
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Winthorp
3607
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Posted - 2015.08.03 10:45:30 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:Winthorp wrote:But the devil is in the detail. I got the feeling that they realy want to get this right. These new POSes are specifically designed to live in ... ergo: for us! Let's hope they don't listen too much to these null lobbyists and more to people that have a clue like corbex.
I really hope i am wrong but the general feel i got from things was i wasn't going to like it at all.
I am Winthorp, you might remember me from such films as "Winthorp is to blame for permanent signature ID's".
Please note i don't engage in any meaningful discussion with NPC alts, nut up or shut up...
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corbexx
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1383
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Posted - 2015.08.03 19:50:12 -
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any size can go anywhere at the moment.
I've also pointed this in the way of CCP Nullarbor (well he actually asked for a link).
Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1291
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Posted - 2015.08.03 19:57:33 -
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XL in WH the dream. I can REALLY have a fortress now.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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O'nira
Litla Sundlaugin
70
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Posted - 2015.08.04 02:17:58 -
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i'm really worried i won't like anything about the new structures. |
Borg Stoneson
SWARTA
Mostly Clueless
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Posted - 2015.08.04 05:56:24 -
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It does seem like the structures are going to be either great or terrible for us WH dwellers. No middle ground.
I don't mean good/bad in terms of finding targets/hiding from targets. I mean for basic functionality and actually living in. The fact that they'll either be so OP that even the largest groups will struggle to take them from even a 1guy and his alt corp or they'll be undefendable and impossible to remove assets from when there's even a modest attempt to camp it and will just be a pinyata to larger groups. |
Sarah Jaxson
The Copernicus Institute
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Posted - 2015.08.04 11:07:03 -
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Im more interested to see the fuel requirements. From what i have read, they are not supposed to be tied to race, but will that change the fuel mechanic and should i start selling off all my fuel blocks now? |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1231
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:36:52 -
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Borg Stoneson wrote:It does seem like the structures are going to be either great or terrible for us WH dwellers. No middle ground.
I don't mean good/bad in terms of finding targets/hiding from targets. I mean for basic functionality and actually living in. The fact that they'll either be so OP that even the largest groups will struggle to take them from even a 1guy and his alt corp or they'll be undefendable and impossible to remove assets from when there's even a modest attempt to camp it and will just be a pinyata to larger groups.
Doubt it won't be comparable to a POS. Replace FF with mooring area most likely and defenses are fitted, not anchored. Could easily imagine this to behave a bit like *traffic control* on a wormhole, when you jump and the client goes unresponsive, you got the jump animation but your ship remains in space until you relog. Just taht it's moored, so people can watch you while you do citadel-things without worrying. |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1296
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Posted - 2015.08.04 12:58:43 -
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O'nira wrote:i'm really worried i won't like anything about the new structures.
oh no let's tell CCP, then they can cater directly to your desires
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
201
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Posted - 2015.08.04 14:54:18 -
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Sarah Jaxson wrote:Im more interested to see the fuel requirements. From what i have read, they are not supposed to be tied to race, but will that change the fuel mechanic and should i start selling off all my fuel blocks now?
The stuctures themselfs will not need fuel but the services on them will.
Well that was what i last read about it anyway.
XL in wh's? Not sure if that will be good. There is to little info yet .
Well i hope we will get more info soon.
No local in null sec would fix everything!
Fleet warp proposal = the rubix cube is back into eve especialy the second part of the saying.
Wh players need to adapt, null sec players get the rules changed.
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
Chao3 Alliance
279
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:20:21 -
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Sarah Jaxson wrote:Im more interested to see the fuel requirements. From what i have read, they are not supposed to be tied to race, but will that change the fuel mechanic and should i start selling off all my fuel blocks now?
If I remember right, they said the structure itself will not require fuel, but adding services will, or something like that.
I like this concept, if it will be the case.
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Pook600
Defiance LLC
7
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Posted - 2015.08.04 18:42:06 -
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unimatrix0030 wrote:Sarah Jaxson wrote:Im more interested to see the fuel requirements. From what i have read, they are not supposed to be tied to race, but will that change the fuel mechanic and should i start selling off all my fuel blocks now? The stuctures themselfs will not need fuel but the services on them will. Well that was what i last read about it anyway. XL in wh's? Not sure if that will be good. There is to little info yet . I hope we will get more info soon.
XL's in High Class WH's only possibly? |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Unsettled.
365
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Posted - 2015.08.04 19:51:21 -
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Some updates from #structure on Tweetfleet Slack.
The blog is delayed due to translation issues. It was suggested Ytterbium should just write it in french to start with so translation went faster.
CCP Nullarbor 4:34 PM so devblog won't cover construction costs, because we havn't figured that out yet (ytterbium is running the numbers on all that atm)
service modules for manufacturing will be specific to the type of manufacturing ie frigate, battle cruiser etc
CCP Nullarbor 4:35 PM that will be with the assembly array
kenneth: don't know the actual breakdown yet because we are not looking at that just yet, we know there will be granularity to it though not just "manufacturing"
we might do disabling service modules like stations
but tbh we are not designing the defenses with that in mind
A lengthy discussion followed about how the defense/combat would work:
CCP Nullarbor 4:38 PM I'd rather have more depth to the combat, like ships
ie keep range because it's firing this ammo
or, fit eccm because its an ewar fit etc
the larger the size of the structure, the more fitting capability it has
than includes better rigs, more service slots and more h/m/l slots etc
the fitting is one of the primary reasons to want to step up a size
it will be more strategic than that (current POS), the defenses can't do all things to all ships at once
it's a lone target unless it has a fleet
you can outnumbered it with tanked entosis ships
or mitigate the damage
etc
CCP Nullarbor 4:41 PM we're only launching citadel which is a storage pos
later we'll do more industry stuff
good question about standings (ref hitting your own players with aoe in fw)
no answer on that today, but I could see us saying yes you have standings loss '
CCP Nullarbor 4:43 PM kenneth: if you remove a service module you will cancel all the jobs (in respons to question about swapping fitting for different kind of industry jobs)
so you can't just swap fitting around unless you are not using them
kennethfeld 4:44 PM BUT, can you do it in space?
CCP Nullarbor 4:46 PM yes
as in, the structure is deployed in space? yes
yes you can swap h/m/l (slots) but we might do an capacitor activation cost
CCP Nullarbor 4:51 PM there will not be racial citadels to begin with
but we are not ruling out introducing them late
*later
kennethfeld 5:05 PM is it still going to be medium citadels at first and then large and XL later?
CCP Nullarbor 5:05 PM M and L at the same time we hope, XL later
CCP Nullarbor 5:07 PM it's delayed (XL structure) mostly because of the graphics, it's a huge asset with some challenges for drawing something that big. plus the doomsday weapon :simple_smile:
CCP Nullarbor 7:37 PM taking down the structure will trigger the asset safety on personal hangars
the details of which will be covered in the blog
CCP Nullarbor 8:30 PM so to be super clear, we are not removing any POS or Outposts (or their upgrades and modules) at all this year, or even considering it right away
I'm hearing chatter of people being confused about this
we will have a world of new structures and old structures for some time before we start talking about getting rid of the old
and you'll all be consulted on how / when that happens
and outposts will be the last to go
(maybe even years before that happens)
so, don't freak out :smile:
but its totally fine to talk about how / when we might do that transition
Lucia Denniard 5:03 PM I do hope the loot drop system is different for wormholes
CCP Nullarbor 5:03 PM that will be in the blog, so we look forward to hearing what you guys think about it all
its not just sov copy-pasted
kennethfeld 5:04 PM I imagine corbexx has been in overdrive...
CCP Nullarbor 5:04 PM yes we chat a lot
~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/
.ORLY is recruiting
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Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1297
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Posted - 2015.08.04 20:11:55 -
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are you trying to tell me that GOONbexx is actually doing things for WHs? This is SURELY a lie! He can't even UNDERSTAND WHs anymore since he judased WH residents.
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Pook600
Defiance LLC
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:06:10 -
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Quote:kennethfeld 5:04 PM I imagine corbexx has been in overdrive...
CCP Nullarbor 5:04 PM yes we chat a lot
Mostly about Nullsec where Goonbexx lives and maybe how a Dev can throw him a bone once in awhile during a chat to make it seem like he isn't a total Judas dbag.... |
dark dreamur
The Tebo Corp
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Posted - 2015.08.04 21:44:44 -
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Judas Dbag : sounds like a great name for a new toon |
Andrew Jester
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
1298
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Posted - 2015.08.04 22:52:20 -
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Pook600 wrote:Quote:kennethfeld 5:04 PM I imagine corbexx has been in overdrive...
CCP Nullarbor 5:04 PM yes we chat a lot Mostly about Nullsec where Goonbexx lives and maybe how a Dev can throw him a bone once in awhile during a chat to make it seem like he isn't a total Judas dbag....
way to misquote the context. standard bootyblasted pubbie v0v
If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
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Adriana Nolen
Sama Guild
116
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Posted - 2015.08.05 12:52:59 -
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Citadels will end up being a **** up of epic proportions. Instead of reworking the existing code, adding new features & greatly improving the UI, all we will end up with is a bastardization of a decent idea poorly implemented & will take years to fix. |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc.
Official Winners Of Takeshi's Castle
201
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Posted - 2015.08.05 14:53:33 -
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Thanks for the update calaretu!
No local in null sec would fix everything!
Fleet warp proposal = the rubix cube is back into eve especialy the second part of the saying.
Wh players need to adapt, null sec players get the rules changed.
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Starbuilder Stasarik
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.08.05 23:26:22 -
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Adriana Nolen wrote:Citadels will end up being a **** up of epic proportions. Instead of reworking the existing code, adding new features & greatly improving the UI, all we will end up with is a bastardization of a decent idea poorly implemented & will take years to fix.
I will say this as a developer with experience in a number of complex mid-sized programs (6-8 million lines, primarily for the banking industry): there are numerous times when it's faster, better, cheaper, and simply easier to throw out your existing code for a purpose and redo it from scratch. Yes, it's possible for software to be so poorly programmed that "burn it all down and start again" is the most feasible choice regardless of the angle you look at it.
"Reworking the existing code" on something that has been said to be as difficult as POS code can very easily fall into those types of lines.
Instead of criticizing something that you know nothing about due to the information being as-yet unreleased, I suggest you take a chill pill, pour yourself a cold drink, and put on some Jazz. I'm rather fond of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S93oz6BuvI for post-stressful-day cooldowns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZuj_beuMc4 is an excellent alternative if you want something a bit less "Jazzy." |
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