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Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 91	Posted - 2011.12.08 16:58:00 - [1] - Quote I have a question For people that say they will never go to Null or lowsec This is not for the high sec indy or mining type people this is a question for the people that A. gather large sums of isks and in turn do nothing with it a1 - Incursion runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or build items. a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items. These are the people i want answers to my question from. Why is it you play EvE if you take no part in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets. Is there something you do with this isk? This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks. * ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out) I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Jenshae Chiroptera 231	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Ingvar Angst Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United 684	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:05:00 - [3] - Quote Take no part in the game? You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in. Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet. Six months in the hole... it changes a man.
Captain Alcatraz Douchingtons Shadow Cartel 46	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:07:00 - [4] - Quote Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave
Cregg Neir Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:07:00 - [5] - Quote Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way?
Jack bubu GK inc. Pandemic Legion 97	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:10:00 - [6] - Quote Cregg Neir wrote: Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way? maybe hes just curious?
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 122	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:17:00 - [7] - Quote I don't know anyone like those, frankly. I've always grinded for a goal, and now that i ran out of goals I've stopped grinding. i'm actually going to pay my sub with money rather than PLEXes, don't feel like grinding for a PLEX so I can keep ginding for a PLEX.... So... no affordable NEx store... no full-fledged Incarna... no new casual content... no new solo content... no new PvE content...-á Why should I keep paying to play this game?
Torin Corax Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD. 0	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:21:00 - [8] - Quote Cregg Neir wrote: Question to OP: Why do you need other people to play the same way you do? Why do you need other people to tell you why they play the game their way? While I think the OP could of worded the question a little differently, I'll admit to a certain curiosity on this subject. -Is it the Isk generated that is the reward for such people? If not, what does the isk get used for? - Does anyone actually find running the same missions over and over to be fun and/ or interesting? (Having spent my early Eve career as a mission runner/ ratter, I find missions to be extremely boring. Possibly some of the most underdeveloped PvE content in any game I've played. The limited number of missions and entirely predictable nature of those that exist is just dull). - Given that generating Isk through missioning lacks anything approaching a challenge for an experienced mission runner, just how satisfying/ rewarding are they? Could they be made more so in the view of a full-time missioner? (not talking isk reward here). Not suggesting that there is anything wrong with this type of play, but having tried it myself I am curious as to the attraction of it.
Spurty V0LTA VOLTA Corp 66	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:21:00 - [9] - Quote Morbidly curious about this myself. Imagine the train wreck if everyone in empire moved to 0.0 ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 91	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:23:00 - [10] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples. Yes they cost isk but after you have them, they keep grinding isks, you cant tell me they grind isk just to have more isk? if they grind isk for PLEX its because they wish to keep playing they have a goal they want to reach, but if there goal is simply GRIND ISK - BUY PLEX - GRIND MORE ISK BUY MORE PLEX That just looks unhealthy. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Serene Repose Perkone Caldari State 140	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:26:00 - [11] - Quote As far as I'm concerned I am playing the game. Forgive me if I think it's the height of arrogance to assume because I'm not playing it like you do, I can't be playing the game. I don't intend to list all the things I do to amuse myself in EVE so you can in the same vein as this post try to discount them one by one using your rationale. Suffice to say, I have my own rationale. Thanks for your concern. We're having a ball in the shallow end of the pool. Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold.
StillBorn CrackBaby Caldari Provisions Caldari State 17	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:29:00 - [12] - Quote Take no part in the game? Bugger off, I do as I please with my account and I don't care if you think I have to be in null to be "taking part"...
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 91	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:30:00 - [13] - Quote This was a long post about the way WoW keeps its subscribers addicted to the game by a means of constantly triggering the reward system of the brain and a comparison to the horrible reward system EvE uses but, the forums happened and it was lost for ever. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 233	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:32:00 - [14] - Quote Ingvar Angst wrote: Take no part in the game? You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in. Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet. Agree with this. This game is many things. People need to stop assuming that their game is the only game to be played. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
okst666 Not Solitude Again Chained Reactions 28	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:32:00 - [15] - Quote Its about numbers on the wallet... The bigger the better. PLUS grinding mission helps to kill time between two skills. [X] < Nail here for new monitor
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 91	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:35:00 - [16] - Quote there i changed the wording I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School 10	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:38:00 - [17] - Quote I would imagine the ability to have content whenever you want it. 23/7 is pretty good reason. No hostiles, no rules, just play like you want. Waiting around for endless hours chasing the :gudfight: in lowsec/nullsec is not for everybody, nor is listening to endless whines about the red cloakers in the sanctum systems.
Rek Seven Probe Patrol Project Wildfire 64	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:38:00 - [18] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it you play EvE if you take no part in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets. Is there something you do with this isk? Personally i don't see the benefit of moving to null. I want to be powerful and do big things in EVE and i can't just walk into a null sec corp/alliance and have any real input. I'll just be someones ***** roaming around in a massive blob ganking rifters. The only thing that would make me check null sec out, is if territory holders could change the sec status of their systems, creating a safe passage rout for me... This i might be willing to make the journey up they're to see what it's like. Wormhole space is where it's at!
Ana Vyr Vyral Technologies 125	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:44:00 - [19] - Quote I don't qualify to answer because I'm an industrialist, but let me hazard a guess on this one. I went to nullsec and joined an alliance for a while about 2 or 3 years ago. What I discovered was that in order to live out there and contribute in any meaningful way to the efforts of an alliance, you have to be online playing a lot. Otherwise you miss out on things, and eventually the leaders start asking why you don't show up for OPs. Industrialists were generally disregarded (this may have changed by now or may depend on what alliance you are in). Ultimately, it isn't much fun trying to play with people who don't respect what you like to do, and when you are able to do it. So why do some folks stick to highsec and play solo? Probably because they play irregularly and don't want to deal with ANY drama about it in their relaxing game playing time. Imagine dealing with work hassles all day, get home and deal with your kids/pets/spouses...and when that magic moment finally comes when you have a spare hour to yourself, you have to deal with the gamers who have more freedom than you do tell you that you suck because you don't play more and help out the corp. That's why.
Aeril Malkyre Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 24	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:48:00 - [20] - Quote -Spaceships are cool. -Explosions are pretty. -The thunder of guns is satisfying. -Seeing more money coming in that going out isn't something I get to see a lot in real life :P But mostly, I don't have the time to invest in a corp. I only play when I feel like it, and when things like Skyrim come along, I may not log in for weeks. That doesn't make me a good asset to a corp. Things like POS's require upkeep and protection, so I can't even effectively homestead my own place. I could low-sec pvp, but I don't play enough to generate the income to keep up that sort of lifestyle, since I'll probably lose a lot of ships learning. So what is there for someone like me to do that isn't mining boring, but pays well? Mission. Content that is always there, always ready, and based on my timetable. Beholden to no one's schedule or desires but my own. And you act like I never buy anything. Like my isk mountain just grows and grows and I sleep on it like some sort of really awesome space dragon. I buy better modules. I dump salvage into the system. I buy a crap ton of ammunition. I buy rigs and better tractors for my salvage boat. I buy scout ships for when I want to just fly around the universe for no damn reason other than to see the sights. True, I've been saving for a Machariel, so I have some wealth amassed, but I also bought a Tornado a couple days ago just because it was so sweet looking. I don't even have a use for it. But boom, 51 mill in someone's pocket. I play the game the way I've found it works for me. No one gets to tell me whether that's right or wrong. It is mine.
Myrdraeus Keaunt Physical Chaos 11	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:48:00 - [21] - Quote Captain Alcatraz wrote: Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered.
Hecatonis Ascension Manufacturing 21	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:48:00 - [22] - Quote first off the wording of your post can easily be taken as offensive, you will probably will get a lot of troll/bail posts Mirima Thurander wrote: Why is it you play EvE if you take no part in the game, (this is not a Y U NO PVP question) you gather large sums of isk but in turn do nothing with it most people have a goal while getting isk be it a new mission ship, a titan or SC, help funding a corp project, funding for playing the markets. Is there something you do with this isk? i do leave high sec on a a regular basis, but i can still answer your questions we do play the game, its a sandbox therefore there is no wrong way to play it. personally one of the most enjoyable things i do in eve is to buy a new ship fit it and fly it around and do nothing with it at all. this activity is not cheep in the slightest, in fact owning almost every sub capital, and a handful of capital ships in the game takes a lot of money. adding on the fact that i have pvp and pve fits for each one makes it that much more costly. i make a lot of isk in game, but i only have 500 mil right now, i dont hoard it all, i spend it. eve to me is about spaceships and space, therefore that is the game i play. and believe me, i have seen a lot of space and been in a lot of spaceships. [quote[ This question was spawned from reading a thread about removing incursions from high sec* and seeing the large amounts of people saying they will never go to lowsec or null for any reason, but don't do any thing in high sec besides farm isks. * ( i still view the best change for high sec incursions as a reduction in raw isk pay outs and a increase in the LP pay out)[/quote] your view on highsec players is a lot like many highsec players view on low/nul sec players. it stems of ignorance on the subject. highsec people are not all carebears, or people that cant "cut it in the real game" there are many of us that just enjoy what eve is about and dont want to deal or put up with the game nulsec players have made. highsec players dont want to leave highsec because they are playing the game they want to play there. why people have a problem with this is beyond me. and its even better if they just hoard all the money. hoarded money never enters the market. people like me are the problem, i make a lot of isk, and place that isk directly into the market. the goons are doing the same, they are forcing people to use their ISK surplus buy new ships. there has been more ISK injected into the market in the last couple months because of it. hell look at plex prices, they are so high because the value of ISK is so low.
Myrdraeus Keaunt Physical Chaos 11	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:51:00 - [23] - Quote Serene Repose wrote: Thanks for your concern. We're having a ball in the shallow end of the pool. Just so you know...that's not part of the pool. That's the urinal.
Jenshae Chiroptera 232	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:52:00 - [24] - Quote There are also those that do Incursions while the sun shines then replace ships during war declarations. They prefer the controlled conflicts based on intelligence rather than the random encounters of low sec roams. Thus the reason they have no interest in going outside of high sec. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down.
Mirima Thurander Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign 91	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:54:00 - [25] - Quote the only people that could possibly answer my question seam to keep assuming im going to say there playing the game wrong and refuse to answer i know why null sec people do null i know why low sec people stay in low sec i know why people live in WHs i know why people that do indy stuff do it they all have goals they wish to reach be it Getting kills, building stuff, exploring, building a empier, farming isk for new ships. But then there's the group of people that don't do any of that but still actively play eve ever day and farm isk and do so filed with glee for it, with no goal that i can see besides getting more isk to do nothing with it, i keep assuming they MUST have a goal to keep playing or there is no reason to play. I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last.
Lord Ryan True Xero 128	Posted - 2011.12.08 17:56:00 - [26] - Quote I like to believe I don't fall under anyones prepackaged labels. Ships cost, mods cost. No matter how good you are you will eveentually lose your ship even in PVE. Get scrammed while depending on Centurylink as your ISP and by-by shiney T3. Thta's where the ISK goes when not in PVP mode. While PVP mode it goes even faster. You ask why we play the game. I can't tell you why "we" play the game. I can tell you why I play the game, it's for the spaceships! I love spaceships, everything else in game is just a distraction while flying my spaceship. As far as joining a group, I find that the more people in agroup the more asshats you have to deal with. Another issue is every Jita scammer, every asshat scanning you on your way home from the market is someone's alt. I don't trust you becasue I don't know who your alt is, if you even bother to hide your asshatedness. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes.
Hecatonis Ascension Manufacturing 21	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:01:00 - [27] - Quote Mirima Thurander wrote: the only people that could possibly answer my question seam to keep assuming im going to say there playing the game wrong and refuse to answer i know why null sec people do null i know why low sec people stay in low sec i know why people live in WHs i know why people that do indy stuff do it they all have goals they wish to reach be it Getting kills, building stuff, exploring, building a empier, farming isk for new ships. But then there's the group of people that don't do any of that but still actively play eve ever day and farm isk and do so filed with glee for it, with no goal that i can see besides getting more isk to do nothing with it, i keep assuming they MUST have a goal to keep playing or there is no reason to play. i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it. they are playing the game, they might not need goals other then "i want that new ship". i havent had a long term goal in even in close to a year, and i am fine with that. i think its time you ask yourself a question. what kind of answer are you looking for? because i dont think you are even looking for one. people are telling you why they stay in highsec. and amass wealth, your just not accepting their answer
Nex apparatu5 Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 90	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:04:00 - [28] - Quote Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote: Captain Alcatraz wrote: Because some people would never leave the cave given the chance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Cave Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered. It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.
El Boracho State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:05:00 - [29] - Quote Its a sandbox game so people play the areas that amuse them. You don't need to understand why. They don't need to explain it to you. Get over yourself you are no better then them.
Brujo Loco Brujeria Teologica 23	Posted - 2011.12.08 18:05:00 - [30] - Quote A friend of a friend once told me "THERE BE DRAGONS" .... So I remained in hi sec ever since, with this alt anyway.

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