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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:06:00 -
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Notice that most people who attacked the OP apply a false dichotomy between the "OP's way" and "their way". They respond "why should I play your way?", despite the fact that the OP specified a very specific group of players and asked the very general question "why don't you do anything else?".
It's like asking a soccer player why they play soccer, and getting "why should I play your sport?" as the answer.
The common wisdom holds true; those who sit in empire and do basically nothing have no knowledge of the game, and thus lump 99% of the activities in it into one alternative playstyle which they then reject. Notice that some people mention not wanting to go to null, which doesn't even answer the question, since the OP mentioned goals like playing the markets or funding a new ship purchase.
There's the answer to the OP's question: They don't do what they do because they have a reason to do it, they do it because they signed up and then preemptively rejected 99% of the content of the game, leaving them with only endless mining or missioning or what have you. Everything else is terribad PvP-land, and you better not suggest they get involved.
(inb4 miners/missioners/whatever who do actually take part in the game think I'm talking about them and get butthurt) |
SpaceSquirrels
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:10:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:What makes you think that living in high sec has to be cheap? Faction mods, T3 ships and so forth as examples. Yes they cost isk but after you have them, they keep grinding isks, you cant tell me they grind isk just to have more isk? if they grind isk for PLEX its because they wish to keep playing they have a goal they want to reach, but if there goal is simply GRIND ISK - BUY PLEX - GRIND MORE ISK BUY MORE PLEX That just looks unhealthy.
Man makes a point.
Whats the goal?
Just eat time?
Granted I suppose some people could just like doing missions for missions sake.
But really the question is whats the driving force? |
Myrdraeus Keaunt
Physical Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:10:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered. It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.
Uh huh. Someone that spends any time in self-reflection might consider for a moment that claims like that are too easy to make for them to be meaningful. Plato should have spent more time on that and less time finding fault with everyone around him. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:11:00 -
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Hecatonis wrote:i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it. I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm.
If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you. |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:12:00 -
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Hecatonis wrote:
i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it.
they are playing the game, they might not need goals other then "i want that new ship". i havent had a long term goal in even in close to a year, and i am fine with that.
i think its time you ask yourself a question. what kind of answer are you looking for? because i dont think you are even looking for one. people are telling you why they stay in highsec. and amass wealth, your just not accepting their answer
that post was written and posted before i had gotten the notification about the other posters.
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Conath
Tax Paradise
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:12:00 -
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I'm master of mint and i want more ISK !!!!! |
Rykuss
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:13:00 -
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Lord Ryan wrote:depending on Centurylink as your ISP
Yeah. Can I have your vindicator? |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:15:00 -
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Spurty wrote:Morbidly curious about this myself.
Imagine the train wreck if everyone in empire moved to 0.0
you called? CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Trainwreck McGee
Ghost Ship Inc.
150
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:16:00 -
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im just going to assume that everyone who just missions all day long must be a zombie
SPACE ZOMBIES!!!!! CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:16:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Hecatonis wrote:i dont think you reading what people are saying. they are answering you, maybe you dont like the answer, or maybe you dont understand it. I don't think you (and the others giving similar answers) understand the question. He is asking why people who don't have a goal bother to endlessly farm. If you have a goal, even jsut saving for new ships (which the OP specifically listed), the question doesn't apply to you. Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure. |
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Torin Corax
Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:17:00 -
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El Boracho wrote:Its a sandbox game so people play the areas that amuse them. You don't need to understand why.
It's not about need, it's simply curiosity coupled with a desire to see the game from the Pov of someone who plays it in a different way with different motivations. Since when has open discourse and attempting to be more understanding of others been a bad thing?
Quote:They don't need to explain it to you.
No "they" don't. Neither do you. But if someone chooses to enlighten the OP (and other interested parties) then kudos to them for being open and sociable. If you don't want to answer the questions then don't, this is not a forced interrogation :)
Quote:Get over yourself you are no better then them.
Please point out where the OP said that people who play this way are inferior to him/ her. We pays out money, we plays our game. Fair enough, but it's not illegal to express curiosity towards other playstyles.
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:20:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure. I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done.
It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
128
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:20:00 -
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Rykuss wrote:Lord Ryan wrote:depending on Centurylink as your ISP Yeah.
I switched to WOW cable a couple months ago. Faster connection, drops only last a second. Centurylink hours to days. On the other hands I have been getting DCed 3 or 4 times and hour for the last couple weeks. I don't know if it's Eve or WOW but I can log back in immediately. Not a problem in most PVE situations, a major killer in PVP. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Beaches
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:21:00 -
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I like PVP but I don't like PVP+killboards
because they turn PVP into PVBlob more often than not
Also, I really can't stand killboard whores and that is my right. I have the right to hate anyone I want. I just can't stand them or their slimy entrails all over wherever they go.
I love PVP so it was a looong process coming to the conclusion that I'd just rather not. But I like the EVE sandbox, space and spaceships so much that I'd like to stay and do non PVP
I don't like PVE that much either though as I find it tedious and boring
So this final conclusion to not bother with PVP cost me a lot of SP on different characters, as they did not translate into missions and i'm transitioning into industry, as I've had experience with trade before and the only problem I found with it was monotony which I think science and industry can break. |
Roscada
We love Egg
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:22:00 -
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Some of us are collectors. I have plenty of expensive shinies that will never see anything but spinning. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
128
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:23:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Aeril Malkyre wrote:Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure. I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done. It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree.
I believ some people do infact stare at a tree for six hours. I think thier may even be a religion based around that activity. -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Jack Traynor
One More Corp
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:23:00 -
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Don't you guys ever get tired of asking the same crap day after day? What do you care how other other people play the game? Do you have some internet-driven need to feel superior over other people?
Get over it already. You play your game, and let them play theirs. Period. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:25:00 -
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Jack Traynor wrote: You play your game, and let them play theirs. See, here it is again. XD |
Handsome Hussein
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:25:00 -
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There's a lot of butt-hurt in this thread over a simple question about goals in-game. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:26:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Aeril Malkyre wrote:Your assertion is based on the assumption that having a goal is necessary. For some people, that is not a valid statement. Some people just like the pretty lights, or the big numbers in their account, or the fact that they're in space. 'Having a goal' is not a necessary part of their play structure. I like all those things. I still wouldn't just sit and mission endlessly when there is so much more that can be done. It's like, it's nice to be outside right (so I'm told lol)? Outside is nice. So people go outside a lot. But they don't just stand there and stare at a tree for six hours and then go home. They do things. But, in EVE, some people do just stand and stare at the tree. I would proffer that they get to shoot the tree with lasers, to follow your analogy. That can be cool enough it seems. There are some like me with limited play time, for whom shooting red crosses (to you) may seem pointless, but consider: I am an immortal post-human cyborg. I pilot an enormous mountain of steel that spits fire at pirates, through space, against a backdrop of stars and planets and moons and space stations. I send this mountain into a transdimensional slipstream with a thought, traveling faster than light itself.
That's a pretty great way to spend an hour. And it's enough. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
274
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:28:00 -
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I think the OP has good questions but let's be clear about something.
Is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 simply out of not wanting to go or is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 on the terms of the people who are already there?
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Proteus Maximus
New Eden Outcasts Malicious Intent Gentleman's Club
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:28:00 -
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I play the game in what ever way brings me good times & relaxation. I don't set long term goals & try not to over commit to an organization. Why? life is fluid & at any given moment I can log out and not back in except to skill for weeks. Contrary to popular belief ya don't need to be isk filthy rich to have fun. The folks you choose to surround your self with & your skills are what matters. Ive done a lot in my Eve career & by far indiscriminately killin folk with a bunch of like minded filthy scallywags has brought me the most joy to date. The runner up is finding the rare ballsy high sec corp who will fight a smaller group of aggressors (head to head no neutral Rep bs) for good times and lulz. Null sec? Maybe some day. . . As it is now the big boys are happy to not **** in each others pools. With no hope of epic full scale invasions changing the map & making history. . . Not worth my time. . No thanks. Eve... It's just a better class of Idiot. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
60
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:29:00 -
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Quote:a2 - Mission runners that do not take active rolls in any corp, pvp, play market games or Build items.
This *usually* applies to me so I'll answer that. -manufacturing is dominated by people with skills invested in it. I found a niche market I could make a small profit in for a while, but it got boring. -market is just not appealing to me, I never played AH games in other mmos either. -no pvp because it doesn't seem especially viable to do solo, I've mostly kept playing via PLEX which makes it hard to afford pvp, and I prefer my pvp to be casual and relatively consequence free. -no corp roles because I don't fancy being exposed to wardecs or any semi-mandatory scheduled activities. My interest in Eve comes and goes, sometimes I might not do anything beyond the skill queue for weeks at a time. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
128
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:29:00 -
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Beaches wrote:I like PVP but I don't like PVP+killboards
because they turn PVP into PVBlob more often than not
Also, I really can't stand killboard whores and that is my right. I have the right to hate anyone I want. I just can't stand them or their slimy entrails all over wherever they go.
I love PVP so it was a looong process coming to the conclusion that I'd just rather not. But I like the EVE sandbox, space and spaceships so much that I'd like to stay and do non PVP
I don't like PVE that much either though as I find it tedious and boring
So this final conclusion to not bother with PVP cost me a lot of SP on different characters, as they did not translate into missions and i'm transitioning into industry, as I've had experience with trade before and the only problem I found with it was monotony which I think science and industry can break.
I don't care about any of it. I used to play for spaceships, now I'm playing to stalk your avatar. I want to do creepy cyber things to your avatar.
Now we have that cleared up, It put the damn lotion on! -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:30:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I think the OP has good questions but let's be clear about something.
Is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 simply out of not wanting to go or is this a matter of not wanting to go to 0.0 on the terms of the people who are already there?
I don't think you can separate the two. Going to null requires being on the terms of those that live there, at some point. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:31:00 -
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I too wonder why people avoid 90% of this game.
I guess they must really enjoy pimp my golem http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11817308 |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:31:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:I don't think you can separate the two. Going to null requires being on the terms of those that live there, at some point. Well you could imagine a world where 0.0 wasn't **** and respond "I would go to 0.0 if it wasn't ****" :D |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:33:00 -
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High sec core players are playing the game, while choosing the safest option. It is a mindset. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:36:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:I would proffer that they get to shoot the tree with lasers, to follow your analogy. Shooting a tree with lasers is so awesome in real life that it isn't currently possible except for those with access to experimental weapons.
However, in EVE, shooting ships, piloting a giant blah blah, being an immortal whatsit, all that stuff is par for the course. So I think that only shooting NPCs (or asteroids) is about the simplest thing you could do. So it's like staring at a tree; not bad in itself, just lacking compared to the other options. |
Aeril Malkyre
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
24
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Posted - 2011.12.08 18:42:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Shooting a tree with lasers is so awesome in real life that it isn't currently possible except for those with access to experimental weapons.
However, in EVE, shooting ships, piloting a giant blah blah, being an immortal whatsit, all that stuff is par for the course. So I think that only shooting NPCs (or asteroids) is about the simplest thing you could do. So it's like staring at a tree; not bad in itself, just lacking compared to the other options. Which is a valuation judgment that the player makes. To you, it is not on par with other experiences. For someone else, it may be. it may be all they have time for, or it may legitimately be interesting to them. That it is not interesting to you is immaterial. Encouraging people to experience the whole game is fine. But passing judgment on how they play, or which part they play, or any other matter that is their choice is simply fallacious. |
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