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Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
32
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:54:00 -
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Couldn't agree more Hurzog. The main broken mechanic in null sec is alliance leadership. Even though other things need work and supers should be removed, the leadership is simply short sighted and greedy. I have to dump some of the blame on null pilots as a whole since they don't want to shake up their leadership so that they do have something to do. Perhaps those alliances have gotten so large that they can't change leadership. In that case, they have been effectively highjacked. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
141
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Posted - 2011.12.09 18:56:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Or they could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.
Do you leave the doors to your house unlocked in the hope that strangers will walk in and maybe leave loose change between your couch cushions?
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NatteFrost85
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:05:00 -
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well, im in the a2 category.
main reason to why im no longer part of player corps is that ther is abseloutly no1 that suits me and how i play eve.(look at my corp history if you dont belive i havent tryed)
allso, for me hisec is the moust secure place to be in, i can go where i want whenever i want, whit 0 risk where i currently am, that my ship will be not be taken by suicide gankers.
this is something that dont exist in low or 0.0. some of you may argue 0.0 is safer then hisec but that is only aslong as the alliance living there manages to protect it. as sutch 0.0 aint safer then highsec and i have no reason to go there. same whit lowsec exept ther, no1 is i controll of anything.
so what do i do whit my isk i make from mission running? save upp for faction and pirate ships that im only using for missions and since i cant get bigger ships then a BS in hisec its not so costly(after all i live by the rule; dont fly what you cant afford to loose).
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
280
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:05:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Or they could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.
Do you leave the doors to your house unlocked in the hope that strangers will walk in and maybe leave loose change between your couch cushions?
0.0 space and my house are two entirely different things.
Let's see, whenever someone claims the griefing is a metagame experience, and that the grief is real, we get a flood of "don't compare EvE to real life!!!1!!" but when justifying the kill-everything-that-moves mentality of NAPed up alliances, all of a sudden the RL need for security is applicable to this game.
How many gate-camping stay-at-home sons have locked doors RFN? Gun handy? Windows? Gated community?
There's no connection here.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
261
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:21:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So null bears, suck it up, create an high sec mission runner/ industrial alt/ Incursion runner/ trader and move on with your Eve life. We have. We've botted up L4s to no end, and started doing incursions. Yay for inflasion. vOv
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason. If it's not blue, it shouldn't be there. If it should be there, it would have blue standings. It's that simple. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:36:00 -
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Why shouldn't it be there Zim? Why does it have to be blue? Are you worried that it wouldn't be safe? High sec flies with reds all the time. THAT requires thought, planning and risk management. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
141
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:39:00 -
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yeah stupid goonies why defend your space? too SCARED to do the thought, planning and risk management of LOGGING ON NPC CORP ALT?!?! CHICKEN? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:42:00 -
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We need to protect our space so we can pull off mittens' nefarious PI plan. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:42:00 -
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Whoops, did I say that out loud? |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:42:00 -
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Having flown in Provi I have seen it work there too. It seems the weakest players need the easiest rule set. |
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Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
72
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:42:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Carebears know why he's asking. He's upset and butthurt that some people just don't play the way he does. Carebears always think that reality is defined by what they think it is. They think this about EVE and about other people. It's like they are all solipsists or something.
Call it what you want. The people responding, "stop telling others how to play" are just calling the OP out on a pathetic guise. They know why he's asking these questions. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Whoops, did I say that out loud?
Do you really think anything like that would be a secret? |
Igualmentedos
Shadow Veil Industrial Shadow Directive
72
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:46:00 -
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Baden Luskan wrote:Mr Kidd wrote:Ingvar Angst wrote:Take no part in the game?
You mean take no part in the game that you think they should. They're taking part in incursions, as a part of your definition... that's certainly a part of the game they're taking part in.
Your bias... it's leaking on the carpet. Agree with this. This game is many things. People need to stop assuming that their game is the only game to be played. I totally agree, but staying in high sec and never finding out what 0.0 life is like staying in the starting zones your whole life in WoW. At least in my opinion.
In my experience most "carebears" have been to null, and they quickly realized that playing with tear farming losers isn't an enjoyable game experience. |
Aldan Romar
Imperial Academy
40
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Posted - 2011.12.09 19:55:00 -
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To answer the implied question: I'm playing Elite with better graphics and that eerie feeling of risk of having half of Goonswarm hot dropping me any second.
As for the direct question:Mirima Thurander wrote:Is there something you do with this isk? I'm mainly playing for the nice sights not for ISK. ISK is a means to an end to me. I don't optimize my ISK/hour ratio. I buy ISK with real money, if I don't have enough.
So, if I have ISK, I: - spend it on better ships and modules, - spend it on more ships and modules, - spend it on PLEX to tranfer to AUR to spend on the NEX, - stockpile it, - give some to friends. |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
35
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Posted - 2011.12.09 20:08:00 -
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Aldan Romar wrote:To answer the implied question: I'm playing Elite with better graphics and that eerie feeling of risk of having half of Goonswarm hot dropping me any second. As for the direct question: Mirima Thurander wrote:Is there something you do with this isk? I'm mainly playing for the nice sights not for ISK. ISK is a means to an end to me. I don't optimize my ISK/hour ratio. I buy ISK with real money, if I don't have enough. So, if I have ISK, I: - spend it on better ships and modules, - spend it on more ships and modules, - spend it on PLEX to tranfer to AUR to spend on the NEX, - stockpile it, - give some to friends.
Very true. I honestly don't know how many new players I have given isk and material (ships, modules, etc.) to. Some of them I never even met. Friends of friends kind of thing. I had a 1 man, 2 account corp for quite a while and I liked it that way. I found it to be a hassle to add members. I just liked doing my own thing. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
20
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:10:00 -
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Igualmentedos wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Igualmentedos wrote:Carebears know why he's asking. He's upset and butthurt that some people just don't play the way he does. Carebears always think that reality is defined by what they think it is. They think this about EVE and about other people. It's like they are all solipsists or something. Call it what you want. The people responding, "stop telling others how to play" are just calling the OP out on a pathetic guise. They know why he's asking these questions. No, they don't. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
20
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Posted - 2011.12.09 21:10:00 -
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DOUBLE POST COURTESY OF ****** FORUM |
El Boracho
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:47:00 -
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Morganta wrote:exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans
same principals as with gambling addiction.
and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning
True but in a sandbox game there is no single definition of winning.
NullSecDude: I am master of this block of space, fear me.
HiSecGuy: Who cares
NullSecDude: You are ignoring 90% of the game, wtf
HiSecGuy: yep
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Baaldor
Sin Factory Anarchy Unlimited
59
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Posted - 2011.12.09 22:58:00 -
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El Boracho wrote:
True but in a sandbox game there is no single definition of winning.
NullSecDude: I am master of this block of space, fear me.
HiSecGuy: Who cares
NullSecDude: You are ignoring 90% of the game, wtf
HiSecGuy: yep
Actually is it is more like....
NullSecDude: Looking for decent pilots, Null Sec fun and games
HiSecGuy: Sure, but this is what I demand, I am not going to x up for fleet, I expect some type of protective service when I rat or mine, if I lose a ship I expect to be reimbursed and if some one can move my **** from High Sec that would be great.
NullSecDude: Dude, WTF! entitled much?
HiSecGuy: yep |
Slade Trillgon
T.R.I.A.D
74
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:21:00 -
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Torin Corax wrote: It's not about need, it's simply curiosity coupled with a desire to see the game from the Pov of someone who plays it in a different way with different motivations. Since when has open discourse and attempting to be more understanding of others been a bad thing?
The OP reeks of bias as he implies that just because players in the Incursion thread said they would never leave high sec means that they do not interact with anyone. He also assumes that he knows exactly what all players do, at all times, and knows that they never interact, with anyone, ever.
If he had worded his question differently he may have had a different thread.
And the following quote is one of the better answers to the question the OP was trying to get to.
Morganta wrote:exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans
same principals as with gambling addiction.
and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning
The way I see it though is most people think that they know what the other player is doing just becaus they could never get them to interact with them. This even sounds a little egocentric quite honestly.
Nex apparatu5 wrote:Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:Ugh. That allegory is one of the worst justifications of woo ever. It forms the basis of every tyranny known to man. "Force them out, they'll thank us later." It's too bad that of all the great Greek philosophers, Plato is the most remembered. It's incredibly ironic you could be so wrong on your interpretation, mostly because this applies to people like you.
And I bet you would really love the opportunity to drag him out and show him the way, would you not?
How ironic
Slade
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Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate True Reign
93
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:27:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Or they could simple stop killing everything that moves for no reason.
Do you leave the doors to your house unlocked in the hope that strangers will walk in and maybe leave loose change between your couch cushions?
no but i do leave my door open so i can shoot them when they try to come inside and steal from me
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh. I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:29:00 -
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Baaldor wrote:
Actually is it is more like.... NullSecDude: Looking for decent pilots, Null Sec fun and games HiSecGuy: Sure, but this is what I demand, I am not going to x up for fleet, I expect some type of protective service when I rat or mine, if I lose a ship I expect to be reimbursed and if some one can move my **** from High Sec that would be great. NullSecDude: Dude, WTF! entitled much? HiSecGuy: yep
Ahh, so this is a recruitment crisis thing? That makes more sense.
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Pryvate Pile
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:33:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Baaldor wrote:
Actually is it is more like.... NullSecDude: Looking for decent pilots, Null Sec fun and games HiSecGuy: Sure, but this is what I demand, I am not going to x up for fleet, I expect some type of protective service when I rat or mine, if I lose a ship I expect to be reimbursed and if some one can move my **** from High Sec that would be great. NullSecDude: Dude, WTF! entitled much? HiSecGuy: yep
Ahh, so this is a recruitment crisis thing? That makes more sense.
Pretty good recruiter if he's trawling for hisec miners. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
235
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Posted - 2011.12.09 23:33:00 -
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I have been saying this for a very long time. EvE is not about PvP like most seem to think. It is about whatever you want it to be about. Personally I enjoy the PvP end myself. But I respect that others don't.
Support our boobies!-áLINKY! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
56
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Posted - 2011.12.10 05:45:00 -
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El Boracho wrote:Morganta wrote:exploitation of the addiction mechanic in humans
same principals as with gambling addiction.
and if given a choice between winning and losing, people will always take winning True but in a sandbox game there is no single definition of winning. NullSecDude: I am master of this block of space, fear me. HiSecGuy: Who cares NullSecDude: You are ignoring 90% of the game, wtf HiSecGuy: No, I'm just ignoring you. Deal with it.
There. That's more like it.
I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |
ASadOldGit
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
40
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Posted - 2011.12.10 06:40:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:...Naturally, PvP does not factor into that equation, since it is based on a whole different reward system.
But as stated above, even PvP'ers need some kind of ISK stream to fund their activites... So, why not make PvP itself pay out ISK? Give everyone, winner or loser, a "combat activity" fee; if you get a kill, you get an even bigger reward. Also something for assists (logis), but also some way for the FC to reward scouts, those providing fleet bonuses, etc.
Less time farming is more time fighting, right? My container is NOT imploding! It's just a bit upset that it only sees cheap crap. |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
73
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:08:00 -
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You want to remove the only casual group thing in this game? pls go pod yourself. |
Katowen
22
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Posted - 2011.12.10 08:53:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:I don't qualify to answer because I'm an industrialist, but let me hazard a guess on this one. So why do some folks stick to highsec and play solo?
Probably because they play irregularly and don't want to deal with ANY drama about it in their relaxing game playing time. Imagine dealing with work hassles all day, get home and deal with your kids/pets/spouses...and when that magic moment finally comes when you have a spare hour to yourself, you have to deal with the gamers who have more freedom than you do tell you that you suck because you don't play more and help out the corp.
That's why.
That's my reason. :P
Besides, when I want socialism from the others online, I just start a convo in the chat channels and who knows where that can lead for my schedule. Katowen |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
27
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Posted - 2011.12.10 14:40:00 -
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ASadOldGit wrote:So, why not make PvP itself pay out ISK? Give everyone, winner or loser, a "combat activity" fee; if you get a kill, you get an even bigger reward. Also something for assists (logis), but also some way for the FC to reward scouts, those providing fleet bonuses, etc.
Less time farming is more time fighting, right?[/quote]EVE is not a theme park, so lets not break the economy trying to turn it into one. |
Comrade Commizzar
Eve Revolutionary Army
41
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Posted - 2011.12.10 18:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:Opertone wrote:simple answer - retarted PvPers want to gank you. 10 on 1 fights are typical, this is why you don't go out. PEOPLE ENGAGE IN PLAYER VERSUS PLAYER COMBAT IN THIS GAME?
A few do Goon. Of course, YOU DON'T.
Goons engage in "Massive Metagaming Online Club" versus Player. |
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