At best you made a case for not expanding the NeX.

I missed the part where you justified the costs of removing it.

You try to argue that the mere presence of the NeX makes people quit the game by saying that it won't attract new players?
"The NeX is fundamentally gamplay displacing, and thus a drain on the overall game value of EvE, nobody is out there saying "Hey come play EvE because you can buy shoes for your avatar without playing the game""
that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

What "costs" would those be?

A couple of days programming time to reallocate the NeX store clothes to the character designer / placed in loyalty point stores ...

And if CCP compared the list of credit devices & accounts subscribed against those of the failquitters, wanna bet what that delta would yield?

I'd just about guarantee those failquitters really WERE fail-quitters, as in they still play.

CCP makes money on the NeX crap, and it's not going anywhere. They will find new ways to make real money, and will exploit it. It's the way the business model works.

Why not let CCP have income from those willing to spend on NeX as long as it stays vanity and actual game development isn't hindered?

I have never bought an item from NeX, because they have yet to hit the sweet spot for my space vanity fantasies. I suppose a Jack-O'-Lantern-paintjob Brutix might do the trick..

Why not let CCP have income from those willing to spend on NeX as long as it stays vanity and actual game development isn't hindered?

But but I like my replica goggles and military heels...

Jade ... Nex never was implemented for the core player base that flies in space,
it was implemented for the other kind of players, that like to run around in Avatars.

These people like to pay money for useless stuff that's just there to "show off". I don't see any issues with that, as it doesn't have any impact on EvE/SpaceShips.

Again ... we made quite sure this won't happen.

But but I like my replica goggles and military heels... and would like to see them only available from the NEX store...

Why?

Because you think that makes it "exclusive"?

Its common as muck. Anybody with a CC can click button and replicate eternally.

If you wanted genuine exclusivity you'd argue for them coming as rare drops or at the end of some complicated player-led industrial function with an eve price tag in billions.

Or do you like to pretend these things are exclusive because you see eve as an essentially single player game?

CCP has said that they feel that FtP / microtransactions, as opposed to the traditional subscription model is a growing trend, and at minimum they want to have a system in place in case "customers demand it". Well.. they are right, it is growing, or at least was. However, this is because the vast majority (if not all) top tier mmo's that use such a system have just been wow clones, clones that do the wow model slightly differently, but always more poorly than wow itself. So of course, just doing the same thing over again, more poorly than the last time, will find it hard to attract subscriptions. Other games, such as farmville and it's ilk, are just simply not good games, they couldn't make money under any other system. There are also some people that feel they cannot afford a subscription.

The natural progression of this line of thinking is "How do we integrate the two systems, so that we can attract more customers that are used to a FtP model". I would argue that this line of thinking is a fallacy. You do not fundamentally attract customers by diversifying your payment options, you attract them by making a good game. In addition, EvE is a niche game, the people who play it are attracted to that niche. Your goal is not to change EvE in such a way as to make it more palatable to your typical WoW player, but rather to invite them to join our niche on our terms, because eve offers that fundamentally different experience.

"EvE is forever", It's a good mantra, and it's the best way to think about your business. EvE is your business, your not going to make EvE2, your going to continue to expand on, redo, and maintain EvE. On that road you will have to take radical steps that shake people up, one day you may have to take a hard look at the skill system for example. However don't sacrifice short term gains for long term growth and stability.

The NeX is fundamentally gamplay displacing, and thus a drain on the overall game value of EvE, nobody is out there saying "Hey come play EvE because you can buy shoes for your avatar without playing the game". So, as you've said in the past "HTF", admit that it was a bad choice, and just get rid of it. Perhaps have the NeX items be distributed via semi-rare drops from faction bs's, commanders, plex's, etc. Ship skins are a good idea, but should expand on the manufacturing gameplay, not pop into existence via the NeX. All in game items, with the exception of plex should be derived from player actions in game.

Know what EvE is, attract EvE players, don't suffer from multiple personality disorder. MMO's as a whole are a dime a dozen these days, being niche is a GOOD THING :)

Keep focusing on what EvE is good at.

Purpose of NeX: to reduce PLEX liabilities in CCP's books.

Pffft... No, I don't think of it as anything exclusive and don't really care about whether NEX is there or not. I just play with it since it is available, nothing more.

Purpose of NeX: to reduce PLEX liabilities in CCP's books.
Cost of removing NeX: loss of presumed (uncalculable) ROI (i.e. no reduction in liabilities).

Nothing wrong with NEX

Untangible benefits in a business case should always be quantifyable. They are "uncalculable" but you can still assign a dollar amount to an expected benefit.

Nothing wrong with NEX, use it or do not. For some players it may very well add value to the game experience and for others, they may never even touch it but to not have it at all....that doesn't make sense.

So you wouldn't mind in the least if it was moved to a faction loyalty point store right?

I don't want to get rid of the items that currently NeX is supplying, nor the idea of WiS, or better character customization. I like the idea of all these things. However they should be obtained from gameplay, and like any other item in the game, anyone given enough isk could buy it from other players on the market. It's the NeX itself that I want gone, replaced by gameplay for those items / features.

I won't mind it at all. Actually I hate PLEX more, but don't really care for the NEX. Weird eh?
Just don't scrap WIS because of NEX.

GǪexcept that it steals away content from the normal industrial-economy cycle.
True, but I don't think they expected it to (in part) cause a loss of income in the order of $2GÇô4 million.

Erm this is already the case, grind isk, buy plex, covert aurums.

Erm this is already the case, grind isk, buy plex, covert aurums.

Erm this is already the case, grind isk, buy plex, covert aurums.

not only does it remove game play opportunities from those players who could other wise be involved in producing them, but it also removes the possibility of conflict over their production.

20 Icelanders don't belong in a sandbox, they've never even been in a sandbox. There is no sand in Iceland it is all volcanic rock and ash.

I don't want to get rid of the items that currently NeX is supplying, nor the idea of WiS, or better character customization. I like the idea of all these things. However they should be obtained from gameplay, and like any other item in the game, anyone given enough isk could buy it from other players on the market. It's the NeX itself that I want gone, replaced by gameplay for those items / features.

GǪexcept that it steals away content from the normal industrial-economy cycle.
True, but I don't think they expected it to (in part) cause a loss of income in the order of $2GÇô4 million.

This thread is a hardcore covert troll thread so i just HAD to stop by to learn from the masters....

Things in EVE should be created by players. Anyone who disagrees or proposes anything not in conformity with that premise is an ignorant charlatan!

20 Icelanders don't belong in a sandbox, they've never even been in a sandbox. There is no sand in Iceland it is all volcanic rock and ash.

Only someone living off of a diet of shark **** would interpret WiS and establishments as an opportunity to try and sell 25$ digital shirts. Looking at you Iceland.

This thread is a hardcore covert troll thread so i just HAD to stop by to learn from the masters....

This.

A couple of days programming time to reallocate the NeX store clothes to the character designer / placed in loyalty point stores ...

This thread is a hardcore covert troll thread so i just HAD to stop by to learn from the masters....

It's easier for me to go isk > PLEX > AUR > Nex > stuff than LP > stuff

just saying.

Fixed. With that in mind, is it easier than ISK > stuff?

I really liked reading your post,
but i don't see any reason why the NeX store should go away.

It's there. The only reason it has impact on you is simply because
you have a problem with it.

It does not have any effect on me, for example,
as i simply don't give a **** about it.

NeX is not a symbol of "change", it simply is a store that allows
players to pump money into CCP and getting useless items that contain "bragging rights".

Removing the NeX would not change a single thing,
simply because removing it does not remove the underlying idea.

It's actually good that CCP looks for a way to increase their revenue,
because more money means growth. Growth means, more developers will get hired,
which also means that more people will work on EvE/SpaceShips. We "all" made sure this will happen.

I'm not trying to argue against you, i merely don't see your point when you say you want it removed.

I agree, that items with "bragging rights" are nothing that will make people join EvE.
What would have made that happened, was Incarna, as we can see from all those people
who want to see it happen. Including "Ambulation", of course.

It doesn't matter if these people don't fly in space. If they want to run around in Avatars,
so be it, as long as they don't disturb what's going on outside of stations.
That said, if they have positive influence on the game,
offering a greater variety of things to happen,
then i'm all for it !

I, myself, couldn't care less about walking around with my Avatar,
as i simply do not play these kind of games. I never have.
(talking about MMORPGs here, of course)

On the other hand, i would have loved to play that game they showed on fanfest.

It's easier for me to go isk > Nex > stuff than LP > stuff

just saying.

Its easier for me to go Credit Card -> PLEX -> BUY CHARACTER

than to train Jade for skills she doesn't actually have yet. But guess what? Buying your way to everything misses the point of the game.

It would have been just as easy to go CREDIT CARD -> PLEX -> ISK -> BUY TITAN FROM CRIBBA

rather than build our corp Erebus in hostile territory under the noses of our worst enemies - but guess what? it was a hellova lot of fun doing it the hard way and it generated a lot of content for our corp.

The morale of this story is "easy" often = "this game sucks".

This.

they should allow the people who did purchase stuff to keep their stuff and never release it again.

You know removing the nex is like uninstalling a highway you just built.

I like the idea of WiS and character customization, I am not advocating getting rid of that. Just because the next is gone, doesn't mean everything in it should be gone.


Nobody is advocating getting rid of the items in the nex.

The analogy would go more like this: Ignore almost all tax payer requests for two years, build a highway through their houses, then charge you money for using it.

I'm not advocating for WiS or the nex items to go away, I'm advocating for the distribution method (NeX) to go away, and be replaced by actual gameplay. For example, rare drops off faction ships and officers, lp stores, rare mission drops in low/null?, faction warfare related?, there are a lot of better places for that stuff.

if they make it where any joe can get the monocle, then it would cheapen the sentimental value it would otherwise have and I'm sure someone out there would be mad about it.

CCP is having difficulties paying the bills, those who can afford to are making "donations" to the company

Also, the "unsub crisis" was not a result of that one reason you are giving,
it was the result of a whole lot of things, INCLUDING the reason you are giving
or INCLUDING the fear of what could happen ... EvE going f2p/p2win.

You know removing the nex is like uninstalling a highway you just built.

Expensive project and the tax payers are not going to be happier that you owe them an additional 18 months of development now.

I think it is funny that CCP don't realize that if they halved the aurum cost of all the things in the NeX they would likely make the money they were hoping they could make. But they won't, they're Icelanders, they'd rather strike their cocks with a giant hammer then admit they overpriced digital goods. Oh the comedy that is humanity.

Its even more stupid. They began to give away free Aurum by the thousands AND THUS cutting the market prices for most NEX items by 9/10. That was the most rediculous and unrewarding step in balancing the clothing prices, but then again; got the stuff I liked for free rather than paying CCP for it...

Let me give you an example. Remember the T2 blueprint / BoB scandal? I didn't play the game back then, but I did read about it on slashdot. Back then I was actually thinking about joining the game, I saw the ad's, the game looked like something I might like. However when I read about how gm's were giving certain groups special treatment, even going so far as spawning important items for those players, I was like "Sqrew that!" and I didn't subscribe, it wouldn't be another two years before I finally gave it a try.

Thing's like that are very hard to quantify, and that's the case with the nex.

Purpose of NeX: to reduce PLEX liabilities in CCP's books.
Cost of removing NeX: loss of presumed (uncalculable) ROI (i.e. no reduction in liabilities).

Well Let me play the other side then.

CCP needs money how are you going to accomplish this?

I wonder if the OP is seriously reading the responses here and weighing in her thoughts.

Now the pay to win road would resulted in alot of chash quick, but in the end youll get the loss factor as bittervets and gain factor goes into the negatives with newer players mostly stemming from "why play richer people are going to win over me and im just a poor boy from a poor familily."

Honestly I do agree that WiS in itself is good for Eve

CCP needs money how are you going to accomplish this?

We are against microtransactions because they are a direct assault on Eve's basic gameplay.

I only have a problem with NeX because it was implemented terribly. I don't understand all these pay-to-win fears. Last I checked you can buy a boat load of isk for real money from CCP.

Anyway the real crux of the situation was...

NeX was implemented in a way that felt bolted on, and it didn't even fit with the game at all. I fly around in a dark dystopic future verse but wait there's also a designer store for... discerning pod pilots? wtf. And the AUR currency is at best obtuse and hard to understand or even make sense of.

The game would be better off just filtering these items through in-game channels that make sense. I think CCP saw dollar signs and then got owned, hard. I'm sure they're rethinking the entire NeX store at this point. Plus the store never had any good items either, but even if it did, I'd still feel like it was a junky, half-assed attempt at grabbing dollar billz from an alternate revenue stream, because thats what it is. It's purely a financial move, and has nothing in common with any actual gameplay or anything that enriches gameplay at all.

I am no market analyst but the I am quite sure that eve percentage wise is very balanced in terms of users. From the 12 yos that got tired of wow to mr retried I have nothing better to dos. Where in wow its usually leaning in one direction majority of the time.

Overall and eventually featuers like the nex are going to continue to gain new subscribers and in a perfect world would surpass the loss factor or the bitter vets that actually did call it quits for good.

Even tho they don't effect gameplay in the slightest.
I am with the people who were and still are against microtransactions that effect gameplay. You're just making **** up at this point.

I thought the NEX is just a stepping stone for supplying Arms for DUST. We supply the arms so they can play for free.

The last quoted average age for EVE players was 31.

Please tell me that you can't in all honesty believe that saying to someone "yes come and play EVE where you pay $30 for a digital skirt" is going to attract a multitude of new players. This may attract some people, but isn't going to keep them long term because the items are meaningless in the context of the game.

Now if that same item was gained through LP for becoming an Admiral in FW as one example then it gives someone even new to the game something to strive for and gives the item meaning in the game "Hey look that person is an Admiral" or "Oh I like the look of that, how do I get one as well", a goal to work towards. Even something like the monocle, if that was from a rare BPC drop, imagine what that would be worth then on the market and it's exclusivity in game ... industrialists would be drooling.

I want to see EVE and CCP around for a long long time, but I don't believe the NeX is the answer to that goal. By polishing current content and diversifying EVE's appeal through additional gameplay that stays in line with the core philosophy of the game are what will give EVE the longevity it needs.

That monocle came from gameplay. And to accomplish your goal PLEX would need to be removed from the game to boot.

Terrible idea and I'm super happy that CCP doesn't let the inmates run the asylum.

I don't think CCP will provide any numbers. just as you see devs in every thread posting and posting and carefully staying out of this one.

Their first mistake was introducing the AUR currency. Up till now I don't get why they ever needed that one
Their second one was the price setting for the whole thing.


If those crap items were actually obtainable through ISK more people would probably have gotten them unlike now where the AUR/ ISK conversion rate makes items stupidly expensive.


Poor implementation of a poor idea by a cocky company.

The kick in the nuts was more than deserved, wish it was harder though. Still too much cocky attitude in CCP

So CCP what about providing us with:

- some numbers about this whole AUR/ Nex crap
- providing a quarterly economic newsletter that seems to have missed a few quarters

HI!

Ill state it again, Aurum was a way to allow players to spend a half or a quater of a plex.

Letting it be tradeable however would be nice but it sorta already is just a lump sum of 3500 at a time.

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No - PLEX wouldn't need to be removed, it's price is earned by players to swap others players for game time or character swaps etc . CCP simply use PLEX as a method for players to trade real cash to each other. Your monocle can very easily stay in the game - and be built by players.

Look at this from a different vantage point. Think back to before Tyranis when pos structures were bought directly from npc's. Imagine that instead of adding PI and blueprints (and later corp owned customs offices), these structures were instead obtained directly from the NeX. Would we be better off today?

Now imagine a hypothetical future, where there's full WiS/Ambulation, manufacturing for various kinds of clothing. Rare clothing could be found in some missions or faction/officer ships, others might be obtained from LP. Maybe some missions would in part involve docking at an asteroid outpost. Establishments could be used, and decorated, via more industry gameplay, rare objects for said decorating might be found through the galaxy as well. Games and other activities would also be tied in with other gameplay.

While still imagining your in that hypothetical future EvE, think back and imagine how different the game would have been if instead of that, you just paid Aurum for opening and maintaining an establishment, or obtaining character / establishment customization's & clothes.

Can you understand where I am coming from now? Microtransactions *displace* gameplay. Even simple things like fuel blocks, there will be groups of people that dedicate themselves to providing those goods.

obvious stuff..
....me to be attainable from gameplay, PLEX is out, period.

I love when folks start expounding about business while on their break at Jack-In-The-Box....

Why not let CCP have income from those willing to spend on NeX as long as it stays vanity and actual game development isn't hindered?

Neither is game time - that's the point.

I had a long reply but CCP eaten it.

Anyways

• Word of mouth about Eve is an uphill fight against those who tried it in the past or gain the notion its spreadsheets in space. Word of mouth about eve is only effective of those who never heard of it. Goto any other mmo and mention eve the result would be almsot as bad as if you trolled. And that my friend is very bad.
• If you boil all the crud away its still an achievement system. Do goal xyz and get prize A, prize A only obtainiable via goal XYZ.
• Microtransaction store in WoW is blameless for Sub Loss unlike eves.
• Wow's definition of polish is what is killing thier subscriber base, aka ease of access. They're more concerned with keeping new people as they already got thier moneys worth from bitter vets who paid 60$ per expansion and stayed on board for that long.
• Eve's definition of polish isnt of the same variety THANKFULLY. Content is still hard to get a mastery off but getting there isnt trying to leap a tall building in one bound but adding a stair way and the occasional handrail along the way.

I had a long reply but CCP eaten it.

Anyways

* Word of mouth about Eve is an uphill fight against those who tried it in the past or gain the notion its spreadsheets in space. Word of mouth about eve is only effective of those who never heard of it. Goto any other mmo and mention eve the result would be almsot as bad as if you trolled. And that my friend is very bad.

If you boil all the crud away its still an achievement system. Do goal xyz and get prize A, prize A only obtainiable via goal XYZ.

* Microtransaction store in WoW is blameless for Sub Loss unlike eves.
* Wow's definition of polish is what is killing thier subscriber base, aka ease of access. They're more concerned with keeping new people as they already got thier moneys worth from bitter vets who paid 60$ per expansion and stayed on board for that long.
* Eve's definition of polish isnt of the same variety THANKFULLY. Content is still hard to get a mastery off but getting there isnt trying to leap a tall building in one bound but adding a stair way and the occasional handrail along the way.

There's nothing wrong with micro transactions for cosmetics. Eve will not become the two-lane, pay-to-win wasteland you predict.

You cant make *everything* in the game. You could never make quafe. You cant make implants.

I don't run missions so I don't have any LP.
Apparently this makes me a terrible person and I should not be allowed to customise my character.

Ambiguous douche reply of the year. Go like yourself on your alt some more.

At least the trolling is overt now, mission accomplished.

just noticed that the NeX is still open

CCP has said that they feel that FtP / microtransactions, as opposed to the traditional subscription model is a growing trend, and at minimum they want to have a system in place in case "customers demand it". Well.. they are right, it is growing, or at least was. However, this is because the vast majority (if not all) top tier mmo's that use such a system have just been wow clones, clones that do the wow model slightly differently, but always more poorly than wow itself. So of course, just doing the same thing over again, more poorly than the last time, will find it hard to attract subscriptions. Other games, such as farmville and it's ilk, are just simply not good games, they couldn't make money under any other system. There are also some people that feel they cannot afford a subscription.

The natural progression of this line of thinking is "How do we integrate the two systems, so that we can attract more customers that are used to a FtP model". I would argue that this line of thinking is a fallacy. You do not fundamentally attract customers by diversifying your payment options, you attract them by making a good game. In addition, EvE is a niche game, the people who play it are attracted to that niche. Your goal is not to change EvE in such a way as to make it more palatable to your typical WoW player, but rather to invite them to join our niche on our terms, because eve offers that fundamentally different experience.

"EvE is forever", It's a good mantra, and it's the best way to think about your business. EvE is your business, your not going to make EvE2, your going to continue to expand on, redo, and maintain EvE. On that road you will have to take radical steps that shake people up, one day you may have to take a hard look at the skill system for example. However don't sacrifice short term gains for long term growth and stability.

The NeX is fundamentally gamplay displacing, and thus a drain on the overall game value of EvE, nobody is out there saying "Hey come play EvE because you can buy shoes for your avatar without playing the game". So, as you've said in the past "HTF", admit that it was a bad choice, and just get rid of it. Perhaps have the NeX items be distributed via semi-rare drops from faction bs's, commanders, plex's, etc. Ship skins are a good idea, but should expand on the manufacturing gameplay, not pop into existence via the NeX. All in game items, with the exception of plex should be derived from player actions in game.

Know what EvE is, attract EvE players, don't suffer from multiple personality disorder. MMO's as a whole are a dime a dozen these days, being niche is a GOOD THING :)

Keep focusing on what EvE is good at.

Nex clothing should have always been a BPC item.

Using PI textiles in some cases. And trit in others or something like that.

Then there would have not really been a problem with the items as it would actually need the players input to create the items.

And it would still be a plex sink.


This would have made the nex store a non issue while allowing CCP to have MT in some form.

Their lack of imagination and just copy pasting what other companies do for MTs rather then actually understanding and working with the fundamentals of how their own game works is what made them pants on head ******** with incarna.

I say change the clothing to BPCs that anyone can make with no skills or a simple skill that takes one day to train to level 5.

You can charge more AURUM for multi run BPC or sell clothing BPC sets etc.


It would create a new market and industry in game.

just noticed that the NeX is still open

Disagree clothing does not need to be made in EVE.

If clothing from BPCs was made easy and freely available (sold by NPCs) and needed low manufacturing skills, would you still want it that way?

Or would you prefer that the BPCs were rare and needed high manufacturing skills so that some people would very easily and quickly make lots of isk from it?

They're a company, they're there to make money, only thing about what they did I have doubts about is the introduction of Aurum as you have to buy PLEX to convert to Aurum anyway. They might as well have just left it as isk needed to buy items from NeX.

Its clear you didnt read my post with even a bit of care.

I said the NEX store needed to be BPCs. Where are you coming from with this sold by NPCs stuff?

Which leads into more confusion with your other comments that make no sense in response to what I posted and proposed?

Did your brain just stop working as soon as your you saw BPC in my post?

More to the point it seems like you are responding to other peoples suggestions that have nothing at all to do with my suggestions.

I said BPCs from the NEX store. So as to have interaction with the player economy and players in general.

It helps with the magic out of thin air problem. Its the most simple and elegant solution that addresses many issues.

The NeX store obfuscates what EVE in it's core is about (people build what people use), so in relation to expectation management (you know, the thing CCP as a whole is exceptionally bad at), especially with new players, you'll attract the wrong audience (which will leave disillusioned, in the wake of social media not the best thing that can happen), and the right audience is sidetracked, resulting in poor gameplay (both by the empty promise that is Incarna, as well as missing the potential insight and opportunities of the actual game).

It does not matter if it's NeX store or NPCs it amounts to the same thing as far as the issue of BPCs go. It's just somewhere to purchase a BPC without any player being involved other than the buyer.

Is there really a thin air problem, we've had clothes for years, only difference is you can now alter your appearance. Nobody has worried about it before.

Makes me wonder if a few players just see it as an easy way to make isk.



Edit: Some people buy clothes so their characters look more exclusive. If BPCs are cheap and easy to get and easy to make, nothing will be exclusive. If they're hard to obtain and difficult to make then a few players will take over the market.

From the NeX, you can keep things exclusive without giving a nice big cash-cow to a few players.

Its very different. Buying NEX items currently has the magic into existence with no other player input.

First off we have not had purchasable and trade able clothing for years. That's a blatant falsehood.

Second a BPC needs input from other players to be put ot use. Such as minerals or invention etc.

Other items being seeded like meta 0 items and basic skill books are just a fundamental for the game to have a starting point. But most of those items can be made and sold for less the the seeded prices for a profit.

A BPC that needs Player made items to make the clothing makes it part of the game. And is no different at that point then a BPC from and LP store Or NPC seeded other then CCP gets some cash in pocket from a MT of a plex being consumed to get aurum. It would require other player input and actions to make it useful.

What you are trying to say so Hamfistedtedly assert as a point is in very different from how the actual game and mechanics work.

Your reasoning skills and logic are so out of whack its not even funny.

Just curious how many hundred pages you had to go back to find this thread to drag back from the dead?

I don't see how you can be anti NeX and pro PLEX (or at least indifferent about PLEX) as PLEX is more game altering than NeX.

Edit: Some people buy clothes so their characters look more exclusive.

The NeX store obfuscates what EVE in it's core is about (people build what people use), so in relation to expectation management (you know, the thing CCP as a whole is exceptionally bad at), especially with new players, you'll attract the wrong audience (which will leave disillusioned, in the wake of social media not the best thing that can happen), and the right audience is sidetracked, resulting in poor gameplay (both by the empty promise that is Incarna, as well as missing the potential insight and opportunities of the actual game).

Interestingly, there was quite a debate about the introduction of PLEX back in the day, about how it would eventually become a slippery slope. Here we are, sliding. I wouldn't say I'm completely in favour of PLEX. However I think its a fairly EvE like way of providing structure to the influence of real world money (which itself is inevitable). Other than the market incentives created, PLEX are not gameplay affecting, they don't create anything.


Newsflash, (almost) nothing in EvE is exclusive, that fact is pretty core to EvE gameplay.

Why not let CCP have income from those willing to spend on NeX as long as it stays vanity and actual game development isn't hindered?

I have never bought an item from NeX, because they have yet to hit the sweet spot for my space vanity fantasies.
I suppose a Jack-O'-Lantern-paintjob Brutix might do the trick..

PLEX don't create anything ingame except they do transfer isk to people using initial external means. So they do have an effect on the game play.

There's some pretty rare ships knocking about in EVE, I'd say that makes them pretty exclusive.

PLEX don't create anything ingame except they do transfer isk to people using initial external means. So they do have an effect on the game play.

There's some pretty rare ships knocking about in EVE, I'd say that makes them pretty exclusive.

PLEX creates "free" game time for those who dont want to / can not pay in real money. That's why people dont have a problem with PLEX. I know some people who have or have had financial trouble IRL and have paid for their eve habit in ISK.

NeX / AUR / MT on the other hand is just useless bullshit that makes us into a cashcow and derails CCP from EVE itself. Also I think it's worth mentioning that every time someone buys a PLEX, someone else doesnt pay for their subscription.

I've never sold or used a PLEX myself and I dont really care about them but I do see their function in EVE and I dont have a problem with them. PLEX is just a tool through which player A can pay for player B's subscription and both parties benefit from it. It's about subscriptions.

NeX has nothing to do with subscriptions and as long as EVE is a subscription based game there should be no MT / NeX in EVE.

That's how I see it anyway.

So you don't believe that a large number of eve players unsubbed over the NeXCarna fiasco then?

And you believe that CCP do actually make money on NeX taking into consideration accounts dropped citing NeX MT in a subscription game as a reason?

Hmmm,

Let me tell you about business "models".

Business models that work involve selling something to a customer base that the customers in question want. Prior to NeXCarna we had some exhaustive crowd-sourced polls that showed quite convincingly that the Eve player base did not want MTbased content behind $ payalls in this subscription based MMO.

The "industry experts" (at that time) refused to listen.

The unsub crisis was the result.

it took me some time to see the danger of Nex, no I do not care about game breaking issues.

What me concerns is that until the Nex introduction you as the paying (subscribing) customer had potential access to ALL features of EVE. Nex is changing that and what worries me is where it will stop, now its clothes, tomorrow it might be ship skins and what will it be next year, changing your name, additional alts, better graphics, ingame services, additional HUD features?

The problem I have is that I am paying a monthly subscription (actually 2) for the game and for that I want to have access to all features of EVE, this full access is removed by the NEX, therefore I totally agree with the OP.

All players have full access to NEX.

I don't see how people can't make the connection between PLEX and aurum. I felt CCP's cyclic picture they posted made it pretty clear. You can buy PLEX off the market with ISK, and break it into aurum. Thus, anyone who makes enough ISK to buy PLEXes makes enough ISK to eventually buy whatever they desire from NEX.

I can only assume that anyone unable to make this connection has completely failed to research the subject at all.

The only difference between the person spending RL cash on the PLEXes to break into aurum, and the person purchasing PLEX from the market to break into aurum is the amount of effort involved. Not really any different between the person buying PLEXes off the market having to expend effort for game time while people who spend RL cash on PLEX to sell in-game don't have to expend any effort on funding their shinies.

Interestingly, a lot of the people speculating on PLEX prices fail to consider the old veterans busting huge amounts of PLEXes with their trillions of ISK to buy monocles to troll people who don't understand the system.

Even if everything on the NEX were changed to have a direct ISK method of purchase (which is unnecessary, because there is already a means of converting ISK to aurum), people would still buy PLEX and sell them on the market to get the ISK for their boots. Nothing would change except the price of PLEX would plummet, instead of rising.

I don't see how people can't make the connection between PLEX and aurum. I felt CCP's cyclic picture they posted made it pretty clear. You can buy PLEX off the market with ISK, and break it into aurum. Thus, anyone who makes enough ISK to buy PLEXes makes enough ISK to eventually buy whatever they desire from NEX.

I can only assume that anyone unable to make this connection has completely failed to research the subject at all.

How can it not be? It takes people programming content to make stuff for MT sale. Lets say the engine trails form the last patch were one such "vanity" development and you now had to pay 3600 aurum to enable them on a specific ship. Our subscription money payed the artist / developer in question to enable this "vanity" feature. It took time that could have been spent on stuff that would actually come with the client we pay a subscription for.

If the developer wasn't working on the vanity items, who says he would be working on something "more important"? Maybe he would simply be unemployed?

It's like the people who always complain about paying taxes. They assume if the government wasn't spenging tax money on military weapons to kill people, they would have more to feed the poor. As if the poor would actually get that money ever...

It's alive... ALIVE!! Not that I'm complaining :), CCP may have for the moment switched focus to placating their player base. Yet the fight against MT must continue, otherwise I guarantee EvE will slide right down it.

Our subscription money payed the artist / developer in question to enable this "vanity" feature. It took time that could have been spent on stuff that would actually come with the client we pay a subscription for.

So you don't believe that a large number of eve players unsubbed over the NeXCarna fiasco then?

And you believe that CCP do actually make money on NeX taking into consideration accounts dropped citing NeX MT in a subscription game as a reason?

Hmmm,

Let me tell you about business "models".

Business models that work involve selling something to a customer base that the customers in question want. Prior to NeXCarna we had some exhaustive crowd-sourced polls that showed quite convincingly that the Eve player base did not want MTbased content behind $ payalls in this subscription based MMO.

The "industry experts" (at that time) refused to listen.

The unsub crisis was the result.

Erm this is already the case, grind isk, buy plex, covert aurums.

Leave nex store alone.

WiS is scrapped and no more clothes are being developed.

But thats just not enough.