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kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.08 14:56:00 - [121] Now Cadela Fria, i'd trust with a 1v1 or ransom any day, I believe our last encounter was me inflicting a rather unfortunate loss upon his corp mate, him in a carrier about 200meters away from the fight, without killing me, figure that tiller, he would have raped my lil ol thorax, but refrained from doing so, guess he aint a pirate? It is funny i'd offer him my ransom money and not your lot though. Originally by: Seleene If I ever accept a 1 vs. 1, count on at least 20 people, three carriers and a mining barge with drones to be on your death mail. Never trust a..pirate?
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.08 14:58:00 - [122] Originally by: tiller Originally by: Cadela Fria Little late for that tiller Heh guess so... I defend fellow alli members sometimes blindly. But, if they can't just come in here and post there side of the story then why should I bother. Forums 1 Tiller 0 Anyways, back to game... Defend...you basicly spat on everything I thought they stood for, it seems they're about as happy about what you say as I am though. Perhaps muffins should consider breaking off from PAYUS, god knows I don't see what they need the tag for, the only two muffin's i've ever spoken to properly in this game don't exactly reflect your values, nor a love of payus. Originally by: Seleene If I ever accept a 1 vs. 1, count on at least 20 people, three carriers and a mining barge with drones to be on your death mail. Never trust a..pirate?
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:04:00 - [123] Edited by: tiller on 08/12/2006 15:05:27 Originally by: kublai Originally by: tiller Originally by: Cadela Fria Little late for that tiller Heh guess so... I defend fellow alli members sometimes blindly. But, if they can't just come in here and post there side of the story then why should I bother. Forums 1 Tiller 0 Anyways, back to game... Defend...you basicly spat on everything I thought they stood for, it seems they're about as happy about what you say as I am though. Perhaps muffins should consider breaking off from PAYUS, god knows I don't see what they need the tag for, the only two muffin's i've ever spoken to properly in this game don't exactly reflect your values, nor a love of payus. This thread is between the victims and the accused to sort out. As I said, my morals (for which I have very few) are none of your concern, though im willing to air them in public here. What the muffins morals are also none of your concern, or mine. I'm just a regular member of a alliance of pirates, nothing more. That should make what I rant about on the forum unimportant to you and most of eve tbh. It's strange though that people still get so upset over some fools cruiser exploding... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
God forbid Amarr Mithril Inc	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:04:00 - [124] Edited by: God forbid on 08/12/2006 15:06:12 Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. Edit: But that wasnt the muffin guys just a corp in PC Dont remember what the name was.. Quote: "Try hard to stop us which you can't, Outnumbered by the ********* camps"
Dr Slice Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:05:00 - [125] wow kublai, you really should take a moment and get off PC's nuts, seems like you're addicted to hanging on them
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:06:00 - [126] Edited by: tiller on 08/12/2006 15:06:34 Originally by: God forbid Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. Explain fair in eve please ?, it doesn't exist. In every fight one side is ALWAYS outgunned, you can't argue that fact. Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
God forbid Amarr Mithril Inc	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:08:00 - [127] Originally by: tiller Originally by: God forbid Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. Explain fair in eve please ?, it doesn't exist. as fair it gets would be Armageddon, Raven vs Armageddon, Raven.. that fight was exactly like that.. Quote: "Try hard to stop us which you can't, Outnumbered by the ********* camps"
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:10:00 - [128] Originally by: God forbid Originally by: tiller Originally by: God forbid Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. Explain fair in eve please ?, it doesn't exist. as fair it gets would be Armageddon, Raven vs Armageddon, Raven.. that fight was exactly like that.. One side would of been more skilled, One side would of had better setups, One side more SP, One side better positioning due to luck and game mechs. It doesn't exist.... Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
God forbid Amarr Mithril Inc	Posted - 2006.12.08 15:17:00 - [129] Originally by: tiller Originally by: God forbid Originally by: tiller Originally by: God forbid Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. Explain fair in eve please ?, it doesn't exist. as fair it gets would be Armageddon, Raven vs Armageddon, Raven.. that fight was exactly like that.. One side would of been more skilled, One side would of had better setups, One side more SP, One side better positioning due to luck and game mechs. It doesn't exist.... lol Well Have it like you want I think it Exist and that was a fair fight and they dishonoured it and that just showed me how low that corporation was.. Quote: "Try hard to stop us which you can't, Outnumbered by the ********* camps"
cHiLiPePpEr MuFfInMaN mUfFiN fAcToRy Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:02:00 - [130] Edited by: cHiLiPePpEr MuFfInMaN on 08/12/2006 16:03:22 if i am correct this topic is about some random player who is complaining pirates lied to him and he got ganked? too bad although i do not encourage the fact that the 1v1 was messed up nor does the muffin factory corporation but i do want to make clear that there is no strict "rules" in the game and that everybody has his own morals --------------------------------------
kublai Short Attention Span	Posted - 2006.12.08 16:33:00 - [131] Originally by: cHiLiPePpEr MuFfInMaN Edited by: cHiLiPePpEr MuFfInMaN on 08/12/2006 16:03:22 if i am correct this topic is about some random player who is complaining pirates lied to him and he got ganked? too bad although i do not encourage the fact that the 1v1 was messed up nor does the muffin factory corporation but i do want to make clear that there is no strict "rules" in the game and that everybody has his own morals And these are the reactions to the morals in question. Originally by: Seleene If I ever accept a 1 vs. 1, count on at least 20 people, three carriers and a mining barge with drones to be on your death mail. Never trust a..pirate?
Super Twinkey69	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:26:00 - [132] Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 08/12/2006 17:26:53 Originally by: tiller tbh a kill is a kill, honor blah, it's a game, honor has no place in eve imho. shoot guns, watch the explosions, be happy. rofl,really...none of you seemed to have that attitude when one of your m8s lost a ship to us when a certain amount of convos were opened with him.all i heard for a few days was how much you all know how to complain i have lost all respect for any of you you all fail
chrispy bacon Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:29:00 - [133] whenever we jump into ur systems u all run to safespots so we dnt kill u...but...we still kill u. haha nvr did like muffins... cookies 4tw
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:31:00 - [134] Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 08/12/2006 17:26:53 Originally by: tiller tbh a kill is a kill, honor blah, it's a game, honor has no place in eve imho. shoot guns, watch the explosions, be happy. rofl,really...none of you seemed to have that attitude when one of your m8s lost a ship to us when a certain amount of convos were opened with him.all i heard for a few days was how much you all know how to complain i have lost all respect for any of you you all fail Yes, thats a EXPLOIT Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:37:00 - [135] Originally by: Super Twinkey69 Edited by: Super Twinkey69 on 08/12/2006 17:26:53 Originally by: tiller tbh a kill is a kill, honor blah, it's a game, honor has no place in eve imho. shoot guns, watch the explosions, be happy. rofl,really...none of you seemed to have that attitude when one of your m8s lost a ship to us when a certain amount of convos were opened with him.all i heard for a few days was how much you all know how to complain
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:39:00 - [136] heh just ignore PC tbh they are one of the biggest jokes in eve. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Pax Althaleen Amarr	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:42:00 - [137] Quote: It does affect me. It affects all pirates in EVE. Most people don't see past the blinky to a corp ticker until you point it out to them. Your (lack of?) reputation impugns our reputation. Not a whole lot I can do about it, granted. Still annoying. Moreover, I was responding to the claim that no pirates in EVE honor ransoms, that honoring them is an illusion created by "prey," and all sorts of other groundless statements. This right here is - I believe - The crux of the whole debate that this topic has promoted. I've seen established and respected Pirates post in these Forums that when other Pirates and their CORPS do not Honor 1 VS 1s, Ransoms, etc. It only serves to give all of these other so-called respected Pirates and their CORPs a bad reputation (If that can even happen). Its also been stated by these same individuals that behaviour like this only serves to limit those revenue streams for the "respected" Pirates as outlined above. I've also seen these very same "repected" Pirates say that when this occurs, its the rest of the Pirate Community's responsibility to show those offenders the error of their ways. That begs the question - With everything thats come to be understood and found about about THIS CORP's "modus operandi", what is going to be the "repected" Pirates' and their CORPs' response to this behaviour? My bet is that out of all of the statements I've read about in this thread, It won't mean squat when it comes to actually resolving this to the satifaction of any of the other Pirate CORPs that have posted in this thread. "PC" seems to be pretty much happy with the outcome of the Encounter as this is the their "stated" way of operating. Whats distressing is that with all of the posts about honoring 1 VS 1s, Ransom, etc., punishing those Who transgress by not following posted YARRR... etiquette (meaning its been posted to the community as "This is how you should act if you want to get away with your ship and pod once you've been ransomed") - Whats really is at stake here is the following... Is anything You Guys say worth believing at all after this? I have seen how Pirates in this forum will post about how this is an abhorrent practise, and that it should not be condoned by any so-called "respectable" Pirates. All of the above said; > If "PC" and it's Operators cannot be held to their word... > Other Pirates and their CORPs do nothing about It... > We still see the same ole ** about "This is how you should ransom people, or "this is how you should do 1 VS 1s", etc. Why in God's green earth would you expect ANY so-called "CUSTOMER" to believe ANYTHING that ANY of the Pirates say, ANYWHERE, and at ANYTIME??? You HAVE to demonstrate good form to be thought of as HAVING good form. Plain and simple... While the majority of you may not see this as an issue, i'm betting that some of you will see this as what it is. That is, it is others who neither care about their rep. or the rep. of their chosen profession (Pirating in EVE that is), that are destroying a profitable revenue stream from those who have made considerable efforts to guarentee those revenues exist. Simply put, as there is apparently no point in taking a Pirate for their word, Eject and head to station if you're going down. They will only Kill you after they've podded you and collected a ransom anyways. The above statement is now the issue that the Pirate community will need to deal with. If they don't deal with it, the Ransom, the 1 VS 1s, and all the rest of it will go down the tubes, and there will be even less Victims (Ooops, i mean "Customers") than you have right now. I will hold judgement though, and see what is posted to this as a reply, but remember this as well before you do post. I have raised serious questions here for the Pirate Community, and it is by the responses to these questions that you will all be measured... Regards, Pax Althaleen Holder - House Althaleen**
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:45:00 - [138] Originally by: Murukan heh just ignore PC tbh they are one of the biggest jokes in eve. Then why post in this thread ?, it's about PC. Not you. Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service	Posted - 2006.12.08 17:48:00 - [139] Originally by: God forbid Well the same thing happend to me and my friend we where gonna 2vs2 them, We Killed there Armageddon and a Raven And when we where finishing the Raven We got a nice gang warping on us, It would have been fun fight but we got Damped down so wasnt rly fun.. But yeah Pirate coalition definitely doesnt like fair fights.. I'm not a huge fan of PC, but how is that not a fair fight??.. You fought them 2v2 and won, and in celebration of your victory, the rest of their gang came in and blew the living bejeezus out of you seconds later.. The "duel" is over, let the pwnage commence.. Sounds like a 'tard moment on your part for fighting when the rest of their gang are in system.. Cuz even if you win, you're still dead..
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:05:00 - [140] Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 08/12/2006 18:05:23 Originally by: tiller Quote: rofl,really...none of you seemed to have that attitude when one of your m8s lost a ship to us when a certain amount of convos were opened with him.all i heard for a few days was how much you all know how to complain i have lost all respect for any of you you all fail Yes, thats a EXPLOIT Autoreject was created specifically to deal with convo spam. Ever since then, its NOT an exploit to convo spam. Not that I support such a tactic.
tiller Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:06:00 - [141] Edited by: tiller on 08/12/2006 18:09:28 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 08/12/2006 18:05:23 Originally by: tiller Quote: rofl,really...none of you seemed to have that attitude when one of your m8s lost a ship to us when a certain amount of convos were opened with him.all i heard for a few days was how much you all know how to complain i have lost all respect for any of you you all fail Yes, thats a EXPLOIT Autoreject was created specifically to deal with convo spam. Ever since then, its NOT an exploit to convo spam. Not that I support such a tactic. Maybe, but very few people have auto reject on, it makes day to day life in eve a PITA. edit: though I guess we do as well Click me for Pirate Coalition Website of Gankage
Exogene	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:19:00 - [142] Digging their own grave as in no-one will ever trust PC again after what they have said in this thread...in the case of ransoms that is. On the other hand I think agreeing to a 1vs1, especially with a pirate, is just plain dumb, you are just asking to be ganked basically.
shogun1 Gallente Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:19:00 - [143] Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:25:01 Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:24:13 How did "ohhh they dont abide by our laws they cant be trusted at all rawrrawr" get into this conversation? I honestly ask you, If a person tells a lie in EVE, does that make him a sinner, evil, desperate man condemned to hell? Or rather, for him never to be trusted again? hablaaarg?
Dr Slice Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:30:00 - [144] By the way, forgot to mention earlier that this is an online game Games are for entertainment and fun. If you start taking things ingame too seriously it becomes unhealthy. Lets just put things into perspective for a minute and realize it is a game, so have fun FFS. All this crying (mainly from random bears) is depressing lol.
shogun1 Gallente Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2006.12.08 18:42:00 - [145] Originally by: xHoodx Originally by: shogun1 Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:25:01 Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:24:13 How did "ohhh they dont abide by our laws they cant be trusted at all rawrrawr" get into this conversation? I honestly ask you, If a person tells a lie in EVE, does that make him a sinner, evil, desperate man condemned to hell? Or rather, for him never to be trusted again? I take it you have no problems trusting the word of a person you know to be a liar? Would you like to purchase some of my prime property on the moon? I could cut you a very nice deal. Sure, let me Fedex you 1 million buckets of krill in payment. If the OP didnt know that pirates are known for underhanded tactics, then his loss. hablaaarg?
LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:12:00 - [146] Edited by: LittleTerror on 08/12/2006 19:25:47 Originally by: Exogene Digging their own grave as in no-one will ever trust PC again after what they have said in this thread...in the case of ransoms that is. On the other hand I think agreeing to a 1vs1, especially with a pirate, is just plain dumb, you are just asking to be ganked basically. If anyone kills someone after a ransom in my corp or alliance, I'll bloody well kill them my self or demand they are removed. /edit I really could not give a ** actully, its like this, we are roleplaying as pirates in an online GAME, so get that into your thick skulls. I never ransom ships, why the hell would i do that? I ransom a POD sometimes but thats only because I get nothing from a dead corpse anyway so I'll offer to let them go for isk. I always stick to the deal if they pay a ransom to get their pod out, its what I call good business, if i killed them they will never pay again and ransoming would not be possible. But this does not mean I give a if you get podded, I love podding people, infact I love being an ****** and having people crying about some pixels they lost on the screen.. ___________________________________________________ I want your stuff
Constantine Arcanum Gallente IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:43:00 - [147] Originally by: tiller Well, I've just been talking with the guys in question from muffin factory and I don't want anything else to do with this thread. if you can't stick to your word on the forums then why should we believe you will honour ransoms ingame? ponder this.. I helped - Cortes What a shiny and lovely place here - Eshtir Well lets make it a party atleast :D -Xorus RAWWWR!11!!1!2 SIG HIJACK!!11!1 I found it first, get orrrfff moiiii laaannnd - Cortes
xHoodx The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2006.12.08 19:47:00 - [148] Originally by: shogun1 Originally by: xHoodx Originally by: shogun1 Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:25:01 Edited by: shogun1 on 08/12/2006 18:24:13 How did "ohhh they dont abide by our laws they cant be trusted at all rawrrawr" get into this conversation? I honestly ask you, If a person tells a lie in EVE, does that make him a sinner, evil, desperate man condemned to hell? Or rather, for him never to be trusted again? I take it you have no problems trusting the word of a person you know to be a liar? Would you like to purchase some of my prime property on the moon? I could cut you a very nice deal. Sure, let me Fedex you 1 million buckets of krill in payment. If the OP didnt know that pirates are known for underhanded tactics, then his loss. You obviously mistook me for someone who wants 1 million buckets of krill. Make no mistake, I am not that person. Cash only please, 50% at first then the rest after you receive the goods. As for underhanded tactics any pirate is of course free to conduct himself as he pleases, I have no problem with that. My point is just that go back on your word enough times and your word becomes worthless. It's up to the individual if they care, or to the alliance if it cares.
Dr Slice Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:18:00 - [149] Originally by: xHoodx You obviously mistook me for someone who wants 1 million buckets of krill. Make no mistake, I am not that person. Cash only please, 50% at first then the rest after you receive the goods. As for underhanded tactics any pirate is of course free to conduct himself as he pleases, I have no problem with that. My point is just that go back on your word enough times and your word becomes worthless. It's up to the individual if they care, or to the alliance if it cares.[/quote Take a deep breath and say it with me now..."Eve is a gaaaame" Relax.
LittleTerror Caldari Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.08 20:28:00 - [150] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: xHoodx You obviously mistook me for someone who wants 1 million buckets of krill. Make no mistake, I am not that person. Cash only please, 50% at first then the rest after you receive the goods. As for underhanded tactics any pirate is of course free to conduct himself as he pleases, I have no problem with that. My point is just that go back on your word enough times and your word becomes worthless. It's up to the individual if they care, or to the alliance if it cares.[/quote Take a deep breath and say it with me now..."Eve is a gaaaame" Relax. ___________________________________________________ I want your stuff

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