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Maximillian Pele
Caldari
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:36:00 -
[31]
Marcus
The problem is that if everyone plays the "just one more gang member" card then suddenly all you have is blobs.
I assume that is why most pirates stay out of alliance space - piracy |= fleet battles.
CCP has made the error in (busted gang mechanisms and lag aside) not programming any penalties to numbers, so why fight 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 1 when you can fight 5 vs 1 with no penalty. Of course then the other side brings more and you wind up with an escallation of numbers, with whoever is outnumbered usually refusing to fight.
So I don't blame you for not charging the blob in your ship.
All I was saying is it's this race to the lowest common denominator in play style - they blob so we blob, they clt-q so we clt-q, and so on that has altered EvE PvP even within the 8 months I have been playing.
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:42:00 -
[32]
lamers.
i certainly hope nobody ever pays a ransom to you again.
you have proven that you cannot honor even a 1v1 so there is no reason for anyone to believe you will honor a ransom.
lame really lame.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Maximillian Pele
Caldari
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.08 01:48:00 -
[33]
To be fair to the Muffins......
No corp can control all their members all the time. What counts is what they do afterwards.
If the OP's claim is proven, then it only reflects badly on the entities involved if they do nothing or just make excuses.
This hasn't (a) been proven a broken 1 vs 1, and (b) there is every indication that if proven action will be taken to fix the matter.
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Margeth
Amarr
Deviance Inc
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:04:00 -
[34]
Yes, I would like to say for the record, This was my first encounter with this corporation, well, not really but the first time i've had a chance to actually see anything of what they do.
It didn't exactly leave a good impression.
It's quite possible that this is wrong and that mUfFiN fAcToRy does not approve of this sort of behaviour, In fact, As it is now it seems that they don't.
The fact that i lost my Vexor didn't bother me at all, What did tick me off was the manner in which it was destroyed.
I do hope that this is resolved, Mostly because i would prefer knowing that i can count on a 1v1 with them not to be dishonored, And to be dealt with if it is.
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Mutten Chops
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Posted - 2006.12.08 02:13:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Mutten Chops on 08/12/2006 02:13:21
im sure that cran will punish him serverly because that is definatly not the muffin way, he will nto be getting any bum sex from me any time soon, thats for sure :P jokes, im 100% straight, honest, no i am, really, honest to god, mathra is the king of g4ys, check our forums!!! sorry, im slightly drunk
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 04:07:00 -
[36]
a pirates word is his lifeline.
if he on one occation cant hold his word but claims he will on other occations he is lying.
either you dont give your word or you do what you say, all the time.
if not you are not trustworthy at anytime.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 04:07:00 -
[37]
PAYUS/PC Pirate coalition however you style their name/tag has gone downhill lately tbh, I know one or two good people in there but most the pirate coalition i've come across as of late have been newbie wannabes smacking up local with "we could have dreads here in an hour if we wanted!" with their 1.2 sec status and 3 months of eve, now I thought this was merely due to poor recruiting but after watching what tillers been writing in here.
Well my own 1v1 expiriences with muffin factory have been good, and though they can be annoying smack *******, i'd never thought them to dishonour a 1v1, and I do actually believe it will be dealt with.
Tiller, and the rest of pirate coalition just keep sinking lower however, between the forum whining about camping nerf's and the bull**** i've seen here you twirps arent worth a nickle in my book.
I dishonoured a 1v1 once, I was 2 weeks old in the game and a f'king idiot, never done it since.
I honor ransoms, and I honor 1v1's.
To me, dishonouring a 1v1 is just as bad as dishonouring a ransom, and I would -urge- people NOT to pay PAYUS ransom requests as pirates who don't honour 1v1's, nor are "encouraged" to do so by their corporations/alliances are hardly the trustworthy kind.
This I tell you, as a pirate, not some ticked carebear.
Nor do I have any qualm with PAYUS, i'm pretty sure I got a + rating in their books.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 04:27:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 04:28:28
Originally by: kublai
PAYUS/PC Pirate coalition however you style their name/tag has gone downhill lately tbh, I know one or two good people in there but most the pirate coalition i've come across as of late have been newbie wannabes smacking up local with "we could have dreads here in an hour if we wanted!" with their 1.2 sec status and 3 months of eve, now I thought this was merely due to poor recruiting but after watching what tillers been writing in here.
Well my own 1v1 expiriences with muffin factory have been good, and though they can be annoying smack *******, i'd never thought them to dishonour a 1v1, and I do actually believe it will be dealt with.
Tiller, and the rest of pirate coalition just keep sinking lower however, between the forum whining about camping nerf's and the bull**** i've seen here you twirps arent worth a nickle in my book.
I dishonoured a 1v1 once, I was 2 weeks old in the game and a f'king idiot, never done it since.
I honor ransoms, and I honor 1v1's.
To me, dishonouring a 1v1 is just as bad as dishonouring a ransom, and I would -urge- people NOT to pay PAYUS ransom requests as pirates who don't honour 1v1's, nor are "encouraged" to do so by their corporations/alliances are hardly the trustworthy kind.
This I tell you, as a pirate, not some ticked carebear.
Nor do I have any qualm with PAYUS, i'm pretty sure I got a + rating in their books.
So you are going to tell the galaxy to cut into my income simply becaue some one else is being an idiot ?
Not to mention I am completley against smack in local since I believe its like playing with fire your bound to get burned so don't judge an entire alliance because of some one elses faults
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance  -Karl
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 04:37:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 04:28:28
Originally by: kublai
PAYUS/PC Pirate coalition however you style their name/tag has gone downhill lately tbh, I know one or two good people in there but most the pirate coalition i've come across as of late have been newbie wannabes smacking up local with "we could have dreads here in an hour if we wanted!" with their 1.2 sec status and 3 months of eve, now I thought this was merely due to poor recruiting but after watching what tillers been writing in here.
Well my own 1v1 expiriences with muffin factory have been good, and though they can be annoying smack *******, i'd never thought them to dishonour a 1v1, and I do actually believe it will be dealt with.
Tiller, and the rest of pirate coalition just keep sinking lower however, between the forum whining about camping nerf's and the bull**** i've seen here you twirps arent worth a nickle in my book.
I dishonoured a 1v1 once, I was 2 weeks old in the game and a f'king idiot, never done it since.
I honor ransoms, and I honor 1v1's.
To me, dishonouring a 1v1 is just as bad as dishonouring a ransom, and I would -urge- people NOT to pay PAYUS ransom requests as pirates who don't honour 1v1's, nor are "encouraged" to do so by their corporations/alliances are hardly the trustworthy kind.
This I tell you, as a pirate, not some ticked carebear.
Nor do I have any qualm with PAYUS, i'm pretty sure I got a + rating in their books.
So you are going to tell the galaxy to cut into my income simply becaue some one else is being an idiot ?
Not to mention I am completley against smack in local since I believe its like playing with fire your bound to get burned so don't judge an entire alliance because of some one elses faults
Tiller is, if I am not mistaken, the CEO or one of the primary directors of your alliance?
It is upto you who you keep yourself with, but as long as you keep yourself int hat company, yes, I WILL tell people they should not trust you.
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Samirol on 08/12/2006 04:37:56
its all about reputation martin, if 50% of your alliance is deemed to be asshats, its better to assume that the rest are asshats than assume that they will care about their word.
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Zaethiel
Murder-Death-Kill
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:00:00 -
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As a real pirate unlike PC i have a -10 and my corp/alliance honor any and all contracts deals or 1v1. The last time someone dishonored a 1v1 we killed them podded them and kicked them from the corp. If PC arent running missions in empire like most of their members do they either 20v1 blob anyone or run to the station and dock. I dont care whehter your a pirate or not you should honor any and all deals/ransoms/1v1/contracts whatever you agree to.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:18:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Zaethiel
As a real pirate unlike PC i have a -10 and my corp/alliance honor any and all contracts deals or 1v1. The last time someone dishonored a 1v1 we killed them podded them and kicked them from the corp. If PC arent running missions in empire like most of their members do they either 20v1 blob anyone or run to the station and dock. I dont care whehter your a pirate or not you should honor any and all deals/ransoms/1v1/contracts whatever you agree to.
Cut the bull**** all ready so many people saying they are real pirates and what isn't a pirate.
You do nothing different than I do you attack when you have the advantage, you gate camp, you warp scramble f1-f8 then pod them if I hear this I'm a real pirate **** one more time my head will explode  I honor 1v1 i'm a honorable person but you wanted to start a smackfest didn't you?
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance -Karl
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:20:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 04:28:28
So you are going to tell the galaxy to cut into my income simply becaue some one else is being an idiot ?
Not to mention I am completley against smack in local since I believe its like playing with fire your bound to get burned so don't judge an entire alliance because of some one elses faults
you side with the asshats and condone what they do by flying with them.
your alliance have choices if adressed right away, you can boot the offending players and refund the guy his ship and gear and give him a apology(to late for that now though)
if you dont like the way your alliance/corpmates operate like in this case you can simply tell them to **** off and leave the corp/alliance, i did that when a CEO ordered me to fill shuttles with bookmarks to lag out other people.
in the end it comes down to personal integrity, do you have any or do you not?
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:24:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 04:28:28
So you are going to tell the galaxy to cut into my income simply becaue some one else is being an idiot ?
Not to mention I am completley against smack in local since I believe its like playing with fire your bound to get burned so don't judge an entire alliance because of some one elses faults
you side with the asshats and condone what they do by flying with them.
your alliance have choices if adressed right away, you can boot the offending players and refund the guy his ship and gear and give him a apology(to late for that now though)
if you dont like the way your alliance/corpmates operate like in this case you can simply tell them to **** off and leave the corp/alliance, i did that when a CEO ordered me to fill shuttles with bookmarks to lag out other people.
in the end it comes down to personal integrity, do you have any or do you not?
I have the integrity but I lack the authority. I am not siding with the offending members of the corporation. I was just saying judging an entire alliance based upon a few individuals is something that should be frowned upon.
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance -Karl
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
eXin Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:27:00 -
[45]
You reap what you sow tiller...thats just how things work.
But lets wait and see..maybe it'll all sort itself out.
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:27:00 -
[46]
If you stand for something your alliances does not stand for, leave, or accept that you, by staying also condone their behaviour.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:27:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
You reap what you sow tiller...thats just how things work.
But lets wait and see..maybe it'll all sort itself out.
Tiller was not involved with this incident what so ever aside from being in the alliance or did I not get the memo?
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance -Karl
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:30:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 04:28:28
So you are going to tell the galaxy to cut into my income simply becaue some one else is being an idiot ?
Not to mention I am completley against smack in local since I believe its like playing with fire your bound to get burned so don't judge an entire alliance because of some one elses faults
you side with the asshats and condone what they do by flying with them.
your alliance have choices if adressed right away, you can boot the offending players and refund the guy his ship and gear and give him a apology(to late for that now though)
if you dont like the way your alliance/corpmates operate like in this case you can simply tell them to **** off and leave the corp/alliance, i did that when a CEO ordered me to fill shuttles with bookmarks to lag out other people.
in the end it comes down to personal integrity, do you have any or do you not?
I have the integrity but I lack the authority. I am not siding with the offending members of the corporation. I was just saying judging an entire alliance based upon a few individuals is something that should be frowned upon.
lets say cyvok advocates ascn breaking ransoms for example. it would be reasonable to judge, since cyvok is one of the higher ups, that ascn says it is okay to break ransoms.
dont be in PC if you do not want to be associated with the likes of tiller
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:37:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Cadela Fria
You reap what you sow tiller...thats just how things work.
But lets wait and see..maybe it'll all sort itself out.
Tiller was not involved with this incident what so ever aside from being in the alliance or did I not get the memo?
read the thread.
Tiller clearly condones breaking your word when it suits you.
dont like it?, leave.
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Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:39:00 -
[50]
Edited by: tiller on 08/12/2006 06:44:18
So many values and morals in this thread seem to have missed one point. PC are bloodthirsty pirates out to kill you, it's what we do. You guys are preaching morals to 'in game murderers' ?
Hey, we might dock now and again to escape chance of death, but thats just because on the whole we're also not stupid. If you say you've never run away from trouble your a liar.
I was not involved in this incident, but tbh would not of cared if I was.
I leave you with a thought, would you visit a jail and ask a serial killer for a hug ?, hmhmhmh thought not.
additional: oh and the MC guy who commented, why would we listen to a bunch of guys who arm tank CNRs (only kidding m8 :-))
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:51:00 -
[51]
Well, Tiller pretty much confirmed my opinions on the matter, I guess it's no upto the members of PAYUS to determine wether or not this is something they wish to be a part of.
I for one will neither 1v1 or pay ransom (hey, there's a first for eveything) if I found myself in that position to them after this.
It's very easy going from dishonouring a 1v1 to getting the double payout on both ransom and mods, i'm sure as hell not putting a few hundred mill on the word of tiller.
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Maximillian Pele
Caldari
Jewel Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:52:00 -
[52]
tiller
No one questions (no one with a brain at least) any pirates right to pirate.
You are the bad guys. You blow people up and take their stuff. You collect their frozen corpses and saite your unspeakable lust. You mistreat ophaned kittens. You send Oprah and Kirsty Alley tubs of ice cream through the post with the note "you can't escape". You force people to watch the OC. You mock their fasion sense and make them cry. You tell girls that it isn't the dress making their ass look fat, its their fat ass.
Pirates help provide the risk part of the risk vs reward equation and they help keep people like me in isk selling new stuff to your victims.
None of that is in question.
What people are asking is does Pirate Coallition expect its members to keep their word and honour ransoms and 1 vs 1s?
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:54:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
What people are asking is does Pirate Coallition expect its members to keep their word and honour ransoms and 1 vs 1s?
hit the nail on the head, and the answer is no
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
MAFIA
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 06:55:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 08/12/2006 06:55:15
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
You mistreat ophaned kittens
I could never do that especially not since NEDM has entered my life
Sig Nerf - Cortes
I declare war on ISD!
You don't stand a chance -Karl
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:03:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Maximillian Pele
tiller
What people are asking is does Pirate Coallition expect its members to keep their word and honour ransoms and 1 vs 1s?
I can't answer that. We don't have hard and fast rules like your average alliance.. any rules that exist are purely at corp level.
From my own corps perspective BNK don't do 1 vs 1's though we do ransom and stick to our word. If I was in a gang where someone ransomed then popped the poor guy I would turn the guns on the gang member myself.
I would just repeat my comment to the OP, who in their right mind would pick a fight with some kind of 'rules' with a outlaw. By doing this you in fact pretty much sealed your own fate....
You lost a cruiser not a titan...
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:05:00 -
[56]
its not what he lost, its the meaning that transcends the isk value of the ship. it is the basic principle that someone would break a 1v1, much less over a cruiser
Great being a gallente blasterthron pilot, aint it?
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:17:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
The #1 rule of piracy is to make sure that you can win the fight any time that some crow or vagabond sits orbiting the station going 8km/s it is a sure sign that a blob is comming fitted to their advantage. Taking advantage of people is what pirating is all about idiot, going down in some scenic heroic fight is an expensive last resort and when it comes down to it the way that leaves you with the most money is the best option. (unless that option is logging out then shame on you)
Please, call me an idiot again, I dare you. I've been pirating for nigh on 3 years now, and guess what? Pirating isnt about taking advantage of people.
Killing haulers and gang-molesting solo ships to call yourselves elite is what every other real pvper likes to call "utter cowardice." You see, the sad part about your existence is that anyone with enough time can be just like you. It's not difficult to sit on a gate or outside sentry range and kill people, all the while being aligned to run if you see the gate fire more than once in ten seconds. If you want to call yourself 'smart' for avoiding the blob, feel free. But when you run from equal numbers, or you hide from a smaller number of ships (as PAYUS hidden from us on more occasions than I can count), you're nothing above pathetic.
Continue calling yourselves real pirates, really, it fits you. Because you know, real pirates can't stand up for themselves and defend their territory. When you want to be a real outlaw, knowing the real meaning of a evenly matched fight or fighting outnumbered and possesing the skill and knowledge to win, feel free to look us up. Perhaps we'll give you the privilege of being utterly smashed.
Until then, please keep deluding yourselves. Your false sense of elitism just makes it all that much easier to kill you.
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:18:00 -
[58]
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Samirol
its not what he lost, its the meaning that transcends the isk value of the ship. it is the basic principle that someone would break a 1v1, much less over a cruiser
As I said, a outlaw is by his very nature a rule breaker. It was a stupid mistake by the OP.
I'm an outlaw, most my friends are outlaws and..hey, guess what, we, and our corp's think what you say is utter bull****.
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:22:00 -
[59]
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Samirol
its not what he lost, its the meaning that transcends the isk value of the ship. it is the basic principle that someone would break a 1v1, much less over a cruiser
As I said, a outlaw is by his very nature a rule breaker. It was a stupid mistake by the OP.
I'm an outlaw, most my friends are outlaws and..hey, guess what, we, and our corp's think what you say is utter bull****.
Fancy a 1 vs 1 ? 
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.08 07:23:00 -
[60]
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: kublai
Originally by: tiller
Originally by: Samirol
its not what he lost, its the meaning that transcends the isk value of the ship. it is the basic principle that someone would break a 1v1, much less over a cruiser
As I said, a outlaw is by his very nature a rule breaker. It was a stupid mistake by the OP.
I'm an outlaw, most my friends are outlaws and..hey, guess what, we, and our corp's think what you say is utter bull****.
Fancy a 1 vs 1 ?
I don't fancy a 1v1, I don't fancy a ransom, I don't fancy flying with you or ever being part of anyone affiliated with PAYUS after reading this.
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