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ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:43:00 - [301] Would say damn good and quick job at doing that to OOY so quickly if I didn't know that it had been done through the use of Spys offlining the POS in the system.... this lame ass war with the lame ass tactics employed by elements of both sides on the Forum and in Game (and OOG TS spies etc) has made me wonder whether I play the right game or not.
Tabaldak eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:44:00 - [302] Originally by: IntegralHellsing I won't be replying to 'STFU you traitor nub who ran when we were fighting' How about just STFU then Mmkay?
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:46:00 - [303] Originally by: Tabaldak Originally by: IntegralHellsing I won't be replying to 'STFU you traitor nub who ran when we were fighting' How about just STFU then Mmkay? Make me. ------------------------------
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:47:00 - [304] Originally by: XoPhyte ... How many pos's in fey have you taken down? Oh, thats right 0, even with your supposed uber skills. 0, remember that number. ... blah ... Actually in case you havent heard we took down 7 that were in feyth last night :) Oh and if we are POS counting, i think BoB is up to about 45-50 large ASCN POS's destroyed. I think as of this morning ASCN had 0 large BoB POs's destroyed. I heard a rumour you were attacking one today, so we will see how that goes for you. Your last few attempts has ended in quite a few ASCN dread wrecks which we salvaged for nice components. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:53:00 - [305] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Originally by: Tabaldak Originally by: IntegralHellsing I won't be replying to 'STFU you traitor nub who ran when we were fighting' How about just STFU then Mmkay? Make me. You have to expect that sort of reply Hellsing, as they have no proof we used spies, they dont know how it happened. All they know is their POS's were offline, how that happened they can only guess. Of course they are being creative, account hacking, account sharing, BoB hacking into the server to offline them are a few of the more creative variants. There has even been talk about seeking legal actions by ASCN alts in other threads. ASCN seem a bit clueless tbh. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:53:00 - [306] Originally by: IntegralHellsing just some questions. 1. IF BoB used spies to offline a pos in c9n, then why didn't BoB also use those spies to offline all the pos in c9n? 2. Creedy. Why RUSTY spoon? anything special about it? (Sorry, I am no european/american continental so I don't get the sentence.) 3. were there ACTUALLY spies that offlined POS? can you confirm with solid evidences? First.. stop smoking *****. Nobody is talking about the POS in C9N. Try reading the thread before you post more idiotic spuge. Second.. Rusty spoon... "Beause it hurts more you twit." Movie quote from Robin Hood.
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.11 06:55:00 - [307] CamMan// thanks for info. (me runs off, write the quote and stick it onto the wall. Slowboat// well i am only asking because i couldn't find any info on it? duh ------------------------------
Kcel Chim Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:02:00 - [308] Originally by: schemering Originally by: Kcel Chim There is no real "theft" in eve. You can only take what ure given access to. If I walk into a shop, I have access to all the products. Does that mean I can take them without paying? it doesnt because youre living in a society with rules, laws and law enforcement. However in eve you cant access stuff ure not granted access to. In real life windows and doors protect shops and its the job of the shopowner to open them on his own decision (full well knowing shoptheft might happen). In eve roles are granted by ceo/directors (full well knowing corptheft might happen). The only difference between those 2 is the law/law enforcement which brings me to my second point. Dont forget that eve is unlike rl a virtual reality which honors itself with "lawless space", "kill rights", "slavery" and the free choice of profession, no matter what it takes aslong as it is within the eula. Sadly having said that it means that there is no superior law giving authority in eve (apart from the eula). Would you mind that the amarrian emperor tells you everyone flying tempests is violating some rule he made up ? I sure wouldnt..... This leads to the core of the argument, an argument seen before: The online definition of stealing. Good that you bring your definition of stealing up, because its one of the oldest and biggest issue in online gaming whenever it comes to ppl "stealing" mobs (killing mobs you deem yours because a quest requests them), "stealing" equipment (not giving rare/unique equipment back youve carelessly given away would be the right term) or "stealing" group spots (doing the same quest and happening to be more welcome then youre would be the right term). In short: a) bob can not steal anything from you which is not ccps pocession and will stay in ccps pocession. b) bob cant "steal" anything which you havent granted them access to. c) there are no laws in eve apart from the eula, to bring up rl laws/law enforcement is silly and often a display of not getting the concept of "roleplaying" in a lawless society. d) have a nice day, ill get a warm coffee now.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:05:00 - [309] Originally by: Claude Trompeur Correct, and they should play a major role in Eve, but Spies do not simply flip a swich to turn off all defenses a country has while the enemy marches in without firing a shot. Spies that have been freely given that switch by that country most certainly will flip it. ASCN's poor security is not BoB's fault.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:06:00 - [310] Originally by: Hast Originally by: Madeye McGreedy At this time we have some suspects, some of which have come from a BoB corp's forum (yes spys, we have spys in BoB as well and access to your forum wha wha time over? It's just too funny to see how ASCN works around this statement by their HC

Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:12:00 - [311] Edited by: Slowboat on 11/12/2006 07:15:04 Edited by: Slowboat on 11/12/2006 07:13:20 Let's play a game.. a game of quotes since BOB members are posting in here how Corp theft is just fine and dandy... when it aids them. And we all know how fond BOB members are of quotes. Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Corp thieves are the scum of this game and i despise them personaly due to cpl of experiences with them but fact is their act is as low as it gets and realy earns them the fate they get which is to stay in npc corps with that charachter. It doesnt seem to be much of a biggi anymore coz he can simple buy a new char for isk and move on to con more ppl tbh i wish there was an even bigger penalty for such acts. Originally by: Metal Dude Corp thieves are scum and anybody that condones it is just as big of a scum bag as the thieves themselves. Karma will eventually catch up to all of them. That said, ppl need to protect their assets better or it will continue to happen as long as CCP allows it. Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists "Ah, can`t make more money, and AAA is spanking me, so I`ll rob my corp¿ Anyway, pretty sure SS can get back on their feet. I know the other corps already offered them help." that pretty much sums it up, pathetic. And this is just from the Axe Corp theft thread. So now that the entire ALLIANCE of BOB have CONDONED this.. can anyone say Hypocrits? Would you like to play more? I know of quite a few more quotes like this in the Celes Corp theft thread.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:28:00 - [312] My ascndrownboat: There is sligh difference if you roleplay thief/spy/saboteur for certain goals or just fill your own pockets when you think the boat will sink. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:34:00 - [313] Edited by: Slowboat on 11/12/2006 07:36:49 Originally by: LUKEC My ascndrownboat: There is sligh difference if you roleplay thief/spy/saboteur for certain goals or just fill your own pockets when you think the boat will sink. Corp theft is corp theft. Labeling it anything else is semantics. Stop fooling yourself. Edit: Oh and for the record I wish your alliance members would get your stories straight. "There was no spy that offlined POS'" "There is a difference between roleplaying a thief/spy/saboteur for certain goals" Can an Alliance possibly contradict itself anymore?
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:40:00 - [314] Originally by: Slowboat Edited by: Slowboat on 11/12/2006 07:36:49 Originally by: LUKEC My ascndrownboat: There is sligh difference if you roleplay thief/spy/saboteur for certain goals or just fill your own pockets when you think the boat will sink. Corp theft is corp theft. Labeling it anything else is semantics. Stop fooling yourself. Edit: Oh and for the record I wish your alliance members would get your stories straight. "There was no spy that offlined POS'" "There is a difference between roleplaying a thief/spy/saboteur for certain goals" Can an Alliance possibly contradict itself anymore? Bull****. Espionage is completely different, don't try and delude yourself that just because we did it for a purpose that is NOT "personal gain", but strategic advantage, you can apply the same logic to robbing stuff for profit. I'd give you so many different RL analogies to show the difference between state sponsored espionage that, according to your logic, should be ILLEGAL if we applied what you say here, but RL analogies are bunk. End of the day if you want to stick your head in the sand and scream "whaaaa there's no difference, especially if it happens to us!" then you're gonna get burnt time and time again. And we're the guys with the flame.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:54:00 - [315] Originally by: Slowboat Edit: Oh and as you said RL analogies are bunk when it comes to the game so STOP TRYING TO BRING IT IN HERE. In here an act is an act is an act and your own members have condoned itin this thread and condemned it in others. So stop beating your chests about it and saying "Waaaaa there is a difference especially if it helps us achieve our goals!" You're the one trying to impose your RL beliefs and values on this virtual game, Slowboat, you should think about that a bit before crying about us being able to tell the difference.
Famine Aligher'ri V i L e	Posted - 2006.12.11 07:58:00 - [316] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Darko1107 I'd pack up and leave now ASCN if you wanna keep any of your stuff! Why don't you help them instead of laughing it up in your cozy northern nest? BoB would be gone by now if you and your friends oop north could be arsed. Instead they're going to slowly work their way round the map felling alliances one by one and they have no love for IRON trust me. All it would take is a temporary alliance and these people you dislike on the forums so much would be put in their place. Fight. No they would be gone now if any of you had any real leadership and knowledge on how to run a alliance. BoB isn't where they are due to un-experienced leaders and bendable rules. You either have what it takes or you don't. If they can get spies in your alliance and friends corps. Then that is your first mistake. P.S I would fight BoB if someone payed for my ships. Vile - Recruiting Pirates
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:00:00 - [317] Edited by: Slowboat on 11/12/2006 08:02:19 Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Slowboat Edit: Oh and as you said RL analogies are bunk when it comes to the game so STOP TRYING TO BRING IT IN HERE. In here an act is an act is an act and your own members have condoned itin this thread and condemned it in others. So stop beating your chests about it and saying "Waaaaa there is a difference especially if it helps us achieve our goals!" You're the one trying to impose your RL beliefs and values on this virtual game, Slowboat, you should think about that a bit before crying about us being able to tell the difference. ROFL. You need more sleep Diana. Please quote me where I brought any real life values into this thread? Please... I'm begging you. My posts strictly have to do with what your own alliance members have said on this forum. YOUR the one who brought up the numerous RL examples you could mention and then said they were bunk when applied to the game. Think about that yourself, before crying about me bringing RL in here.
Robert Dobbs Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:03:00 - [318] Originally by: Claude Trompeur There are no adequate tools to protect yourself from this kind of atack unless you do not give anyone within your corp or alliance who you don't know IRL any vital roles. How about not having every POS in system from the same corp? It's this kind of stupidity that means ASCN is already dead. - --------- Originally by: John McCreedy we WILL kill every last f*ing one of you motherless sheep shagging peices of skunk st
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:09:00 - [319] Oh drownboat... Fact: poses were offline, we took the station. What happened, I really don't care, honestly. I still firmly belive it was ***ed off EDF member acting on his own. Show me that i'm wrong and i'll belive it. On personal note, i'd rather kill onlined towers, I enjoy doing it. Towers can't ctrl+q and they can't hide inside pos shield and whine on TS about it. But then again, having bunch of assets locked down is 4tw, as you would sneak them all out or put them on market... -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve.* McGreedy
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:10:00 - [320] hay guys, whats going on in this thread ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy

Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:10:00 - [321] Originally by: Slowboat Corp theft is corp theft. Labeling it anything else is semantics. Stop fooling yourself. That's a direct link to REAL LIFE laws and opinions and completely ignores aforementioned "differences" that we ALL accept in "RL". kthx. ps, had sleep, got work, joy.
Moghydin Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:17:00 - [322] I'm tired of those "security here, security there" posts. In POSs you have only 2 types of roles "Admin" or "Guest" - smart, isn't it? As to spies, yes, BoB will use all of their posting strength to prove us that relevant defenses are there, why? Because they are less prone to this kind of lame tactics. Why is this? Here's what I know about BoB (or I think that I know). They were formed by a bunch of guys that have known each other for a long time (I think they've come from Homeworld). They most likely knew each other in RL, and I'm nearly sure that their new guys at the top (not so new anyway now) have met the rest of their leadership in RL too. So, where it leads us? It leads us to the fact that in order to be something in Eve, you've got to have RL friends who play Eve, you have to live in a region (most likely Europe), where you can drive to those RL meetings of an alliance high command. Anyone, who has no RL friends, interested in Eve, or living far enough not to be able to attend HC pub meetings, will live with a label "potential spy" forever? Is this good for Eve? How many subscribers Eve will have if all alliances will follow this model? If we'll have 3000 ppl online at any given day, we could count ourselves lucky...
Slowboat Interspace Trade Consortium	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:25:00 - [323] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Slowboat Corp theft is corp theft. Labeling it anything else is semantics. Stop fooling yourself. That's a direct link to REAL LIFE laws and opinions and completely ignores aforementioned "differences" that we ALL accept in "RL". kthx. ps, had sleep, got work, joy. Now I know your insane. Were in there did I mention a real life law? I said Corp theft is corp theft. That means a GAME corp... Semantics is a word in the english language. Look it up. Wait.. since your obvioulsy whacked on something I'll post the definition for you. 1. Linguistics. a. the study of meaning. b. the study of linguistic development by classifying and examining changes in meaning and form. Where in my post did I mention real life laws?
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 08:25:00 - [324] Originally by: Moghydin I'm tired of those "security here, security there" posts. In POSs you have only 2 types of roles "Admin" or "Guest" - smart, isn't it? As to spies, yes, BoB will use all of their posting strength to prove us that relevant defenses are there, why? Because they are less prone to this kind of lame tactics. Why is this? Here's what I know about BoB (or I think that I know). They were formed by a bunch of guys that have known each other for a long time (I think they've come from Homeworld). They most likely knew each other in RL, and I'm nearly sure that their new guys at the top (not so new anyway now) have met the rest of their leadership in RL too. So, where it leads us? It leads us to the fact that in order to be something in Eve, you've got to have RL friends who play Eve, you have to live in a region (most likely Europe), where you can drive to those RL meetings of an alliance high command. Anyone, who has no RL friends, interested in Eve, or living far enough not to be able to attend HC pub meetings, will live with a label "potential spy" forever? Is this good for Eve? How many subscribers Eve will have if all alliances will follow this model? If we'll have 3000 ppl online at any given day, we could count ourselves lucky... There have been many BoB bbq's in the UK. Anyone in the corp is invited. Hell I'd go if I could afford to fly there. TS can be crazy enough with them sober... imagine them IRL drunk! ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.11 09:44:00 - [325] Originally by: Riley Craven Originally by: Christopher Multsanti BOB offlined the towers so they can say they won again. Is anyone really suprised? BOB have no class. We out carebear the carebears We out pvp the pvpers We out play the players. No one in a game has class or honor, because its just a game afterall. Wrong. Originally by: Riley Craven At the end of the day nothing matters but who survived. Wrong. Originally by: Riley Craven Rest assured, whatever anyone does in this game, we do it better. Wrong. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:05:00 - [326] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti BOB offlined the towers so they can say they won again. Is anyone really suprised? BOB have no class. haha... we play the game, we pvp, to the fullest extent... as the corporation section of the player guide tells us Quote: Spying, scheming, double-dealing, and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks. So we play the game how ccp intended. tbh as you don't know the facts of exactly what happened then why post here? Last I heard you guys were not in feyth so?
Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:14:00 - [327] Mondays are the day for guessing how many pages the last bob weekly recap are at. Since years ago BoB have used spies to achieve strategic goals and have made no attempt to hide this. Most if not all alliances do this. I have no knowledge what happened but given the opportunity why would we not offline a couple of POS's to save ourselves a little station shooting? It won't be a deciding factor for the outcome of the war but it saves a couple of boring hours for our members. ASCN have spies too (your management already told you several times) and you were also told that it's allowed to use whatever lame tactic possible to win over us (I can't be arsed to look through the posts and even less to listen to that cyvok talk again to get the exact quotes). You are whining over that we did the spying part of eve better than you. If you want to become "the good guy" then start by dropping all your own spies and lame tactics and stop making up lies about what BoB members are doing and how they are IRL.
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:26:00 - [328] 13 pages... damn that was some early morning reading. BoB took the easy way out, they say (and evidence does back them up) that they could of taken the system with force, but this would take tim eman hours and effort. An opportunity presented itself for a quick kill, and they took it.... how many other wouldn't of done the same. The ASCN vs BoB war is ferocious, the bad blood is palletable, and as many people from both sides have reiterated, This Is War. In war all is fair, nothing is beyond use, unless imho it lies outside of the game mechanics. For me the bottom line is a simple one, KIA always and always will use spies to achieve our goals. Theft from our marks, if required by our employer is an action we would take without a second thought, and if we were at war, a war of attrition and pride like this one, we would actively attempt to place spies in positions where they can do damage, who wouldn't? For all the smack and whining in this thread, simply put, ASCN would of done the same thing to BoB in a heart beat, without a glance away, without a second thought. If ASCN say they wouldn't... quite simply they are liars. Their point that it makes BoB look weak is fair, and BoB will need to backup thier claims that the ASCN station would of fallen without the spy, through force... and the nest few weeks will no doubt see that claim substantiated or debunked, the poeple of Eve are watching, and so far BoB have done all they have promised to do.... so far. KIA EVE Home
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:32:00 - [329] Edited by: Christopher Multsanti on 11/12/2006 10:46:54 Originally by: OzaLoni Originally by: Christopher Multsanti BOB offlined the towers so they can say they won again. Is anyone really suprised? BOB have no class. haha... we play the game, we pvp, to the fullest extent... as the corporation section of the player guide tells us Quote: Spying, scheming, double-dealing, and espionage are devilishly delicious features of EVE for those who relish walking on the dark side. Corporation leaders are urged to exercise extreme caution when accepting new members, particularly when granting access to their private communications and corporate holdings. There are criminal elements in EVE who can, and will, take advantage of unsuspecting marks. So we play the game how ccp intended. tbh as you don't know the facts of exactly what happened then why post here? Last I heard you guys were not in feyth so? I am not really sure how all what of you just said changes anything that I said, you still have no class. I can't even believe you trying to dispute that. Edit: Well you could try to dispute it, but you are not doing a very good job. [ER Public Relations Officer] [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.11 10:47:00 - [330] 13 pages of crap :)



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