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Asinar
The Hotdog
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:30:59 -
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Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9166
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:36:15 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Think longer next time. Then you won't need to start a CAM thread.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
46
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:40:16 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
Should Bananas taste yellow or white? I can never decide. |
Carebear Alternative
Forge Monster Inc.
6
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:51:24 -
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F2P just docking/undocking costs $0.05 every time. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
806
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:52:55 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
Only if you can use plex to start skill training.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25726
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:59:18 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist. GǪehmGǪ
GǣWhat little?Gǥ You mean, their entire source of income? That sounds like a pretty huge downside, especially since there's nothing sensible in the way of monetisation to replace it withGǪ
The downside is that the game is not built around any kind of F2P model. Therefore, it will not work as a F2P game unless it is completely rebuilt from the ground up.
Quote:Do you think F2P will happen? It seems to be the standard last death spasm of MMOs, so it might happen once the game is finally about to end
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
606
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:02:22 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen? Only if you can use plex to start skill training.
Personally I'd be ok with using a sub/plex as a measure for sp generation. Those who have already achieved most of their personal milestones will probably not care about harvesting more SP anyway. They can simply get on with enjoying the game for what it is instead of farming for plex (or outright unsubbing if they cc it).
A "pay for progression" system is fair and honest with the consumer as opposed to content being locked outright by paywalls.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2227
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:04:07 -
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Asinar wrote:Should EVE go Free To Play? No.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1802
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:30:39 -
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i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2227
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:32:56 -
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Gilbaron wrote:... Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... . So, level up your Raven then get PLEX?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
321
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:49:57 -
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Wait, it's not? |
solrac lara
The Soul Society
DeepSpace.
14
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:53:13 -
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GOD No NONO JUST NO microtransactions are killing the videogame industry and i assure you there is nothing more toxic that the F2P comunity the game will be full abaut crying 14 old kids asking for nerfs and titans before you can blink. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2481
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:56:47 -
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I pay for my subscription because I play to have fun, not make ISK.
With limited time anyways it wouldn't be practical for me to try to grind up to buy plex on the market; also I don't really do much PVE anymore.
That being said, I really don't have enough NO to adequately respond to this idea. There's just not enough of it available on Earth for the point to be gotten across properly.
Subscriptions already generate SP, you just have to keep your training queue active. As for accelerating it via plex, see the above statement regarding 'NO' and it's available quantities. You would end up with student drivers behind the wheels of race cars everywhere, and all the tragic hilarity that entails along with it.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4269
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Posted - 2015.08.22 04:07:18 -
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Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12851
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Posted - 2015.08.22 04:27:33 -
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Asinar wrote:Do you think F2P will happen?
I don't know, but I have some trees that sort of need trimming. Heeeeey, how about you come over and Free-2-Prune my trees? Yeaaah! Promises I won't charge you a dime to do it, unless you want to upgrade to power tools 
But will be so much fun, yes?
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
607
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Posted - 2015.08.22 05:16:53 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve.
Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1802
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Posted - 2015.08.22 05:30:40 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Gilbaron wrote:i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve. Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.
never thought about it that way. brilliant idea. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
935
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:43:54 -
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EVE going ftp would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every ftp game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3998
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:48:00 -
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Betteridge law: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no".
Saves a lot of time, really.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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permion
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
27
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:05:26 -
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Have you ever played a territory control MMO with free players?
It sucks, a lot. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11350
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:25:35 -
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eve goes ftp,
the adults who enjoy the peace and quiet behind the pay-wall leave because the place gets flooded plebeians, teenagers and Koreans.
want to kill eve, make it free.
even i they can shoe horn the bushiness model in there the core community will leave.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16941
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:28:07 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
I cant afford to play Free To Play games; they're way too expensive.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
6962
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:38:14 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
PLEX isn't just put on the market by CCP. Someone pays for it. Every account that is active in the game, apart from trials, is paid for. PLEX'd accounts actually get more money for CCP, because a PLEX costs more than one month subscription, and someone has to buy it off CCP to put it on the market for you to PLEX your account with.
And as a matter of fact, I do pay for it. A lot of people pay for it. Quality gaming deserves payment. Self-entitlement deserves crap, which is why 99.999% of stuff that is free to play is crap, until you start paying money.
EVE won't, and never should, go free to play. EVE is not for the self-entitled.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
6962
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:45:37 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this.
SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Laotian
HC - Spooky Business
0
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:50:07 -
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and btw for those who do not realize this about playing with a plex
-> someone else has bought it with real money <---
it doesnt mean u can play for free, it means that some one else has paid for your gametime, capiche ? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3999
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:15:06 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this. SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them. The new upcoming expansion is being hyped by BW as getting back to the company's story-telling roots, which, if it's true, means something to look forward to. I never buy too much into hype though, but even without it, I'm subbed, so I'll get the expansion for free.
The WoW dethroner is a subscription game: Final Fantasy XIV. It keeps going up steadily as WoW keeps going down and speculations say that they'll meet at 4 million subscribers.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11353
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:30:41 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this. SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them. The new upcoming expansion is being hyped by BW as getting back to the company's story-telling roots, which, if it's true, means something to look forward to. I never buy too much into hype though, but even without it, I'm subbed, so I'll get the expansion for free. The WoW dethroner is a subscription game: Final Fantasy XIV. It keeps going up steadily as WoW keeps going down and speculations say that they'll meet at 4 million subscribers.
wow's decline though is due to its design combined with its pay model, its a subscription theme park.
the content needs to be designed and crafted and while yeah imo that's worth a sub if the content caters to your taste i can see why one would have reservations about paying for it while there are so many "free" options out there.
personally i cant stand mmo's (with one notable exeption ).
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1279
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:44:44 -
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I don't understand why this comes up every couple of days ...In EvE you pay cash to play or grind to play and somebody else pays for your game time, but both have the exact same game expierience and options/chances. It's whatever you want, and IMO fair, the F2P discussion is pointless.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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lost packet
GamCorp
Almost Broken
70
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:47:57 -
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Asinar wrote:Do you think F2P will happen?
No, quite right too.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:50:17 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?
No, not just you...Stupid Ideas from stupid people. If you can't come up with a lousy 15 bucks a month you don't belong here anyway... |
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