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Asinar
The Hotdog
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:30:59 -
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Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9166
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:36:15 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Think longer next time. Then you won't need to start a CAM thread.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Rhiannon Marius
Marius Family Enterprises Unlimited
46
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:40:16 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
Should Bananas taste yellow or white? I can never decide. |
Carebear Alternative
Forge Monster Inc.
6
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:51:24 -
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F2P just docking/undocking costs $0.05 every time. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
806
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:52:55 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
Only if you can use plex to start skill training.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25726
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Posted - 2015.08.22 02:59:18 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist. GǪehmGǪ
GǣWhat little?Gǥ You mean, their entire source of income? That sounds like a pretty huge downside, especially since there's nothing sensible in the way of monetisation to replace it withGǪ
The downside is that the game is not built around any kind of F2P model. Therefore, it will not work as a F2P game unless it is completely rebuilt from the ground up.
Quote:Do you think F2P will happen? It seems to be the standard last death spasm of MMOs, so it might happen once the game is finally about to end
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
606
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:02:22 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen? Only if you can use plex to start skill training.
Personally I'd be ok with using a sub/plex as a measure for sp generation. Those who have already achieved most of their personal milestones will probably not care about harvesting more SP anyway. They can simply get on with enjoying the game for what it is instead of farming for plex (or outright unsubbing if they cc it).
A "pay for progression" system is fair and honest with the consumer as opposed to content being locked outright by paywalls.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2227
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:04:07 -
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Asinar wrote:Should EVE go Free To Play? No.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1802
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:30:39 -
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i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2227
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:32:56 -
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Gilbaron wrote:... Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... . So, level up your Raven then get PLEX?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
321
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:49:57 -
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Wait, it's not? |
solrac lara
The Soul Society
DeepSpace.
14
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:53:13 -
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GOD No NONO JUST NO microtransactions are killing the videogame industry and i assure you there is nothing more toxic that the F2P comunity the game will be full abaut crying 14 old kids asking for nerfs and titans before you can blink. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2481
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Posted - 2015.08.22 03:56:47 -
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I pay for my subscription because I play to have fun, not make ISK.
With limited time anyways it wouldn't be practical for me to try to grind up to buy plex on the market; also I don't really do much PVE anymore.
That being said, I really don't have enough NO to adequately respond to this idea. There's just not enough of it available on Earth for the point to be gotten across properly.
Subscriptions already generate SP, you just have to keep your training queue active. As for accelerating it via plex, see the above statement regarding 'NO' and it's available quantities. You would end up with student drivers behind the wheels of race cars everywhere, and all the tragic hilarity that entails along with it.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Azda Ja
Green Skull LLC
4269
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Posted - 2015.08.22 04:07:18 -
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Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?
Because sometimes you die. And sometimes we are why. GSLLC is Recruiting.
Grrr I tell you. Grrr.
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12851
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Posted - 2015.08.22 04:27:33 -
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Asinar wrote:Do you think F2P will happen?
I don't know, but I have some trees that sort of need trimming. Heeeeey, how about you come over and Free-2-Prune my trees? Yeaaah! Promises I won't charge you a dime to do it, unless you want to upgrade to power tools 
But will be so much fun, yes?
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage
RAZOR Alliance
607
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Posted - 2015.08.22 05:16:53 -
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Gilbaron wrote:i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve.
Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger
Nulli Secunda
1802
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Posted - 2015.08.22 05:30:40 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Gilbaron wrote:i would prefer a freemium approach.
Highsec with T1 Ships and T2 modules, ... That stuff could be free.
But giving the entire game away for free ? that's gonna cause more problems than it's gonna solve. Highsec should be the subscription portion of the game.
never thought about it that way. brilliant idea. |
Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
935
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:43:54 -
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EVE going ftp would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every ftp game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3998
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Posted - 2015.08.22 08:48:00 -
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Betteridge law: "Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no".
Saves a lot of time, really.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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permion
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
27
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:05:26 -
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Have you ever played a territory control MMO with free players?
It sucks, a lot. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11350
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:25:35 -
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eve goes ftp,
the adults who enjoy the peace and quiet behind the pay-wall leave because the place gets flooded plebeians, teenagers and Koreans.
want to kill eve, make it free.
even i they can shoe horn the bushiness model in there the core community will leave.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16941
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:28:07 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
I cant afford to play Free To Play games; they're way too expensive.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
6962
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:38:14 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
PLEX isn't just put on the market by CCP. Someone pays for it. Every account that is active in the game, apart from trials, is paid for. PLEX'd accounts actually get more money for CCP, because a PLEX costs more than one month subscription, and someone has to buy it off CCP to put it on the market for you to PLEX your account with.
And as a matter of fact, I do pay for it. A lot of people pay for it. Quality gaming deserves payment. Self-entitlement deserves crap, which is why 99.999% of stuff that is free to play is crap, until you start paying money.
EVE won't, and never should, go free to play. EVE is not for the self-entitled.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Black Hydra Consortium.
CODE.
6962
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:45:37 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this.
SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Laotian
HC - Spooky Business
0
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Posted - 2015.08.22 09:50:07 -
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and btw for those who do not realize this about playing with a plex
-> someone else has bought it with real money <---
it doesnt mean u can play for free, it means that some one else has paid for your gametime, capiche ? |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3999
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:15:06 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this. SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them. The new upcoming expansion is being hyped by BW as getting back to the company's story-telling roots, which, if it's true, means something to look forward to. I never buy too much into hype though, but even without it, I'm subbed, so I'll get the expansion for free.
The WoW dethroner is a subscription game: Final Fantasy XIV. It keeps going up steadily as WoW keeps going down and speculations say that they'll meet at 4 million subscribers.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11353
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:30:41 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:EVE going free to play would make it a game catering to whales and abandoning free to play player. That would bring short burst into player numbers and then same huge drop. Probably every free to play game out there looks like that. I havent seen an exception from this. SWTOR is actually a good example of a game that did better when it went F2P, and has continued to improve throughout the years with some exceptional new content that is free for subscribers. I would say, of all the F2P models I've encountered, SWTOR has been the best, with the exception of the gold-farmer plague it experiences. That being said, a lot of people are saying now, again, what they were saying before the game was released - it's a potential WoW-killer. With the way I've seen the game grow and improve, I believe them. The new upcoming expansion is being hyped by BW as getting back to the company's story-telling roots, which, if it's true, means something to look forward to. I never buy too much into hype though, but even without it, I'm subbed, so I'll get the expansion for free. The WoW dethroner is a subscription game: Final Fantasy XIV. It keeps going up steadily as WoW keeps going down and speculations say that they'll meet at 4 million subscribers.
wow's decline though is due to its design combined with its pay model, its a subscription theme park.
the content needs to be designed and crafted and while yeah imo that's worth a sub if the content caters to your taste i can see why one would have reservations about paying for it while there are so many "free" options out there.
personally i cant stand mmo's (with one notable exeption ).
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1279
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:44:44 -
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I don't understand why this comes up every couple of days ...In EvE you pay cash to play or grind to play and somebody else pays for your game time, but both have the exact same game expierience and options/chances. It's whatever you want, and IMO fair, the F2P discussion is pointless.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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lost packet
GamCorp
Almost Broken
70
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:47:57 -
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Asinar wrote:Do you think F2P will happen?
No, quite right too.
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
460
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Posted - 2015.08.22 11:50:17 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?
No, not just you...Stupid Ideas from stupid people. If you can't come up with a lousy 15 bucks a month you don't belong here anyway... |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
EVEolution.
315
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Posted - 2015.08.22 12:21:27 -
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short answer No!
long answer Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
Geanos
V I R I I
Ineluctable.
30
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Posted - 2015.08.22 12:58:04 -
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Looking at no. of players I understand the concern about the health of the game. It could work, but for standard accounts (free) everything that generates ISK should be at least halved, taxes at least 100% increased and only a fraction or no SP training at all. These things should be tweaked to make the game playable but hard and encourage players to go premium (paid). |
Salvos Rhoska
1266
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:07:16 -
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Im confused.
I thought EVE already is F2P in a very real sense (with a few caveats)?
Im quite serious.
"Playing" EVE generally earns isk, to one extent or another, doing just about anything (minus expenses).
That isk can then be put towards buying PLEX ingame.
The more you play (if profitable), the freer it gets.
Playing makes it free to play (F2P).
The influx of PLEX into the game, does yes ofc require RLM, but people dont purchase PLEX with RLM for purposes OF playing, but to sell PLEX ingame rather for purposes of funding HOW they play.
Im not completely clear on the best ways in which a new trial player can potentially most cost effectively, in RLM and ingame playing/earning, fund their start, but the buddy program is a strong incentive that returns a substantial amount of the rewarded PLEX value to the old buddy, back to the new buddy, upon their subscription, especially in the competetive market of CCP certified "buddies".
Its genius, and imo by far the best alternate sub system Ive ever seen in an MMO.
Also remarkable how stable the system has been, even without CCP intervention, for so long.
(Though the large PLEX price increase from last fall of about 750mil, to 1 bil in a single year, is a bit concerning).
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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
146
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:17:43 -
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dear OP stop thinking before you diminish collective intelligence of EVE even further |
Cannibal Zuza
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.08.22 13:39:43 -
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Asinar wrote:Just something I thought about (for 2 seconds).
Are there any downsides, besides what little CCP looses from subs (who pays for it anyway?)
Plex has plenty of other reasons to exist.
One possible problem I see. Empire of Alts. Just need a new e-mail account and you can have an alt.
Could have 10, a 100 alts. Nothing stopping you. But then the question is how useful that is.
Well, unless you just train them for years and then try to sell them.
But that possibility is there for everyone. So selling chars would not be as easy as now.
I would probably create 2 extra accounts and just train whatever. In case I need something I never use.
Do you think F2P will happen?
Considering the wretched job CCP been doing as of late in trying to rebalance ships and reconstruct null sov, I think it's not a bad idea. It would also invite swarms of subscribers back into the game which is what CCP wants. People wouldn't no longer have to worry about risking expensive ships grinding for Plex in WH/Null sec and pvp would be a 24/7 activity for everyone which would be quite fun.
This thread deserves +1
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Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
658
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Posted - 2015.08.22 14:39:40 -
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I need some backup here to properly convey NO in the right way,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGDIZoXXdg8
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin"
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
593
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:02:35 -
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No NO NO No no NO NO no NO
Please no
Knowing that Children exist is already bad enough.
We all put something at risk, we all invest something, be it time to aquire PLEX or time to pay for the subs.
Kids are dumb. Remove them all from the game and preferably the internet, maybe life if we can convince enough people to agree. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Silver Guardians
Fidelas Constans
229
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:04:44 -
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Posting in stealth "I want to play EVE without having to either grind ISK or pay a subscription" thread.
It's amazing how rife MMOs in general are with people that are hotly opposed to companies actually making money on their products.
Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
DARKNESS.
110
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:13:37 -
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Eve could never go free to play, quite simply, because CCP then wouldn't make money. CCP would be entirely reliant on the store and char trades to make money. By going free to play, normally a game will offer new areas by expansion, or for a small cost, that here doesn't really work, you couldn't make say an area of 0.0 only work via a paywall. You also couldn't really offer in game items in return for money, as this would break the Eve economy, fairly quickly. I guess CCP could offer EXP boosts, but that's a bit... limited.
What you would also have to consider would be servers, I can probably think of a good 10 people I know that would come play Eve if it was free, or certainly at least give it a go for a month. Throw in advertising and probably a lot of press, reddit, and news sites, and you are probably looking, certainly in the first week, of a boost of 10x the online players. With 90% of these new players in and around empire/newbie systems... Servers simply wont handle it. |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
559
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:15:34 -
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Azda Ja wrote:Is it me, or are there a lot more of these "Should EVE (insert dumb idea here)!?" threads lately?
Sadly, no; It is not just you. Dumb-*** ideas and aneurysm inducing brain farts are the staple of these parts of the internet neighborhood. Welcome, and mind the noise.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2015.08.22 16:20:26 -
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Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:Posting in stealth "I want to play EVE without having to either grind ISK or pay a subscription" thread.
It's amazing how rife MMOs in general are with people that are hotly opposed to companies actually making money on their products.
I know, and in the very obvious things, Eve is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP value for entertainment.
Play more than two hours a month? Well is cheaper than a theatre ticket (before snacks)
One month of eve is less money than it costs to fill the gas tank in my motorcycle. Vintage bikes I have, is a shocker on the money spent in upkeep. I spend less on a year in eve than one month of insurance... on one of my bikes.
Did you eat fast food? Buy a coffee, how about pop and a bag of chips? Well that is eve subscription.
If we reverse look at FTP model. I will go with the one I had the most fun, before it was free to play. STO. Is now a free to play MMO. How does it stay afloat? Well they rely on those who are more into the game. My bro is one. Him and his buddies want said ship, or item or whatever. Instead of paying to play the game, they pay for those bits that make their play fun. Essentially FTP is similar model to a DLC scheme for offline, non MMO games. A very tricky balance. The people who don't put any money into STO is only there because the free entitled group makes the game on whole more lively and as such, money to the people who put dollars into there system. If those guys have fun, even the self entitled will put bucks in.
Relating it to eve, we have a similar. The subs model still works and since changing to monthly updates, is more effective. People like me are paying because (I think) they are getting essentially new DLC, features and as such, game is keeping more fresh. You know what? If I am having fun, I will even spend a few more bucks on the DLC to enhance that. I have bought AUR and ship skins. Not much dollars. I mean a frig skin is less than the cup of coffee I am drinking from a dollars perspective.
As others have said, a true FTP model just wouldn't work for eve mechanics. There is too much advantage to having heavy access accounts. There are people who might be of limited funds, so making use of the plex system (indirect FTP) is quite advantageous. They are playing for free, and somebody else is able to use dollars to get above, like a FTP model. Both however are the same universe. Person A is not reliant on spending limited funds to get access to a T2 ship. It is more in game work for them.
So in the end, Plex has made Eve function the same as a FTP model. Difference is just that if playing free, you progress less as apposed to being forced to pay money to get more. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
3218
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Posted - 2015.08.22 18:33:21 -
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solrac lara wrote:GOD No NONO JUST NO microtransactions are killing the videogame industry and i assure you there is nothing more toxic that the F2P comunity the game will be full abaut crying 14 old kids asking for nerfs and titans before you can blink.
Yeah we are much better with the current ''mature'' players whining about changes and crying about ''but my sandbox should be like this'' ...  .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers
Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2015.08.22 18:43:57 -
[43] - Quote
What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:31:33 -
[44] - Quote
Pryce Caesar wrote:What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions.
It would also eliminate all income to CCP, which would mean they'd have to shut both the company and the game down. Unless you expect them to somehow acquire a couple of hundred thousand new accounts] each month, they'd go broke pretty much instantly. They also can't sell GÇ£expansionsGÇ¥ to make up for the difference due to how the game design is fundamentally incompatible with that kind of game world (to say nothing of customer base) fracturing.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Im confused.
I thought EVE already is F2P in a very real sense (with a few caveats)? It is not F2P in any sense since to play the game, you have to have a paid-for account. That inherently and instantly disqualifies it from being F2P since the whole point of F2P is that you don't need a paid-for account.
F2P relies on having something to sell to customers in large quantities to either make them stick around, or to spend more money than they otherwise would before they leave. Neither of those are really good options for EVE (arguably, they're not good options for any game), and no matter what, that kind of monetisation really needs to be integrated at the core of the game or it will be a tacked-on horror.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
594
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:41:08 -
[45] - Quote
Pryce Caesar wrote:What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions.
Well I think people would buy the game, see that they need to train an account for X amount of days, then just log out until that X passed. Then feeling that they can't perform Y until X arrives, when X gets here they wont be able to do J S because they don't know how to play since they'd been logged out the whole time.
Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile.
#fact |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:52:13 -
[46] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile.
#fact
You spelled GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ wrong.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:54:11 -
[47] - Quote
No. Plain and simple. I have hated the F2P system since I first heard of it. These MMO companies are providing a service to us; and thus, to compensate for such service, we pay a monthly fee. It is no different than paying a monthly fee to access internet, TV, or cellphone. Yeah, sure, you can get those services at reduced costs, but you lose out on the full experience. That's what I believe with F2P games. Those that prefer to play for free lose out on the full experience of the game versus those who actually pay for the game.
There are a lot worse things to throw your money at versus paying a monthly sub for a game. If an Eve player has one account and paid monthly for 10 years, that's $1180 at $15 a month. That's chump change compared to paying your monthly electric, cable/DSL, cellphone, whatever bill. IMO, certain people want everything handed to them on a silver platter w/o having to work for it. Do you think after the 10 years I've put into this game, I'd be happy to see it converted to F2P? Hell no!
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12877
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:56:01 -
[48] - Quote
Pryce Caesar wrote:What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions.
You mean GW2 which is pretty much dead?
Seriously dead...
Like so dead, even with merging every server which they have essentially done, they still can hardly fill a popular zone with 200 players, dead. Oh unless it's Teq, where everyone logs in for 20m to get their daily farm then logs out.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
594
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Posted - 2015.08.22 19:59:44 -
[49] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile.
#fact You spelled GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ wrong.
l2read |
Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:01:05 -
[50] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile.
#fact
That's bull crap and you know it. New players are not REQUIRED to play offline for the first six months. What you fail to realize is they can still do some of the same things vets can do, but at a severe handicap. How are new players going to learn the game if they are REQUIRED to offline for six months? HELLO! New players give us vets a sense of purpose in the game. EVE Online wouldn't be much if us vets didn't have anyone to train. Nor would the game stay alive.
Make sure to lick between your toes while you're sucking on your foot.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:01:08 -
[51] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:l2read
I'll let you pick: did you spell GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ incorrectly, or did you forget the quotation marks around the word GÇ£requiredGÇ¥?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
16948
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:11:16 -
[52] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Pryce Caesar wrote:What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions. Well I think people would buy the game, see that they need to train an account for X amount of days, then just log out until that X passed. Then feeling that they can't perform Y until X arrives, when X gets here they wont be able to do J S because they don't know how to play since they'd been logged out the whole time. Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile. #fact
6 months?
I thought it was a year?
No, wait, 18 months?
No wait 3 years!
No wait 5 years!
Oh wait the Aoen I bought so that I'd finally be ready to go to 0.0 got ganked 
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Pryce Caesar
Cloak and Daggers
Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:31:09 -
[53] - Quote
Webvan wrote:Pryce Caesar wrote:What about a system like Guild Wars 2? You pay for the actual game, and then you do not have to pay subscriptions to keep on playing. It would eliminate the entire Pilot License system (part of what makes PLEX so valuable), but it would make the game more easily accessible to those who want to play, and those who do not want to be weighted down by needing to pay additional money to renew subscriptions. You mean GW2 which is pretty much dead? Seriously dead... Like so dead, even with merging every server which they have essentially done, they still can hardly fill a popular zone with 200 players, dead. Oh unless it's Teq, where everyone logs in for 20m to get their daily farm then logs out. But for the few that play, Anet makes big money. I've talked to a number of big fat whales that have spent $1000's in the item shop tens of thousands. Sure, it launched as a b2p, with tails of expansions to keep funding, but wound up making it really a b2p/f2p hybrid scam. They suck the blood out of people that have a hard time resisting the gambling. They make big money off of BL chest keys that can dump very rare items. Your bandwidth is being payed for by people with huge gambling addictions. The game was made for them, not you.
Really, because GW2 was suggested to me because you don't pay subscriptions for it. Is it really that sparse in the actual game world? |
Divine Entervention
Onalot
595
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:35:40 -
[54] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:l2read I'll let you pick: did you spell GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ incorrectly, or did you forget the quotation marks around the word GÇ£requiredGÇ¥?
You being one who believes what you want, believe whatever you want.
I'll allow it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
2244
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:55:00 -
[55] - Quote
Here is a question:
What if free accounts could access the test servers only?
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.22 20:59:20 -
[56] - Quote
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Here is a question:
What if free accounts could access the test servers only?
That would be a huge PITA every time CCP mirrored TQ to SiSi. They would have to find a way to separate the free accounts from the paid accounts so the free accounts don't get wiped during the mirror. My guess would be a huge no from CCP.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12878
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:04:14 -
[57] - Quote
Pryce Caesar wrote:
Really, because GW2 was suggested to me because you don't pay subscriptions for it. Is it really that sparse in the actual game world?
It was a good idea, I played it regular for about a year from launch day (mostly for WvW), and since I played GW1 early on too, but yeah they screwed it up. After about six months people were leaving in droves after Anet went back on all their pre-launch promises, their visions of the game. It really doesn't function as b2p, and only until the game was dead did they start working on an expansion after two years into the game.
As for the servers, your server is mostly just a flag on your account profile. All the servers were technically merged into one server, and when a zone fills up they make another instanced copy of the zone. Still leaves most zones empty, apart from the few heavily farmed zones though often still on a single instance of it. There are some daily farming events that will fill zones on a daily timer, such as that dragon Teq, because easy loot and chance of rare stuff. The game has become so easy my cat can play.
Yeah I don't know why they did that, at least by the design of the game it could have worked as a b2p with paid expansions. I guess the money shop just got too tempting for their investors, looking for the small amount of players that will spend big money gambling as such, like how most f2p's function with their item shops.
Wouldn't work for EVE, it's too late. The design/layout of the game is all wrong for a b2p, and most players would leave if it were redesigned in a way for it to work that way. Essentially EVE would need to become a whole different game, way unlike the EVE of today. And it'd need to be a rapid change, which games usually don't survive.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2244
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:12:58 -
[58] - Quote
Jonas Kanjus wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Here is a question:
What if free accounts could access the test servers only? That would be a huge PITA every time CCP mirrored TQ to SiSi. They would have to find a way to separate the free accounts from the paid accounts so the free accounts don't get wiped during the mirror. My guess would be a huge no from CCP. It would only matter at the log in server.
"Is this a free account? Yes? Prevent it from logging onto TQ"
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
143
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:13:05 -
[59] - Quote
Asinar wrote:
(who pays for it anyway?)
I'm pretty sure that everyone who is selling those PLEX you use to sub your game is paying for their own subscriptions as well. |
Tesal
445
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:15:56 -
[60] - Quote
Wasn't Dust free to play. How is that going? |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12880
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Posted - 2015.08.22 21:18:01 -
[61] - Quote
Jonas Kanjus wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Here is a question:
What if free accounts could access the test servers only? That would be a huge PITA every time CCP mirrored TQ to SiSi. They would have to find a way to separate the free accounts from the paid accounts so the free accounts don't get wiped during the mirror. My guess would be a huge no from CCP.
Not too hard really, just a matter of activating all the trial accounts. Of course all those trial accounts would have their SP reset with each TQ mirror
But really, that serves no purpose for Sisi, what it's meant for. It's meant for finding bugs, not catering to 1000's of freeloaders that'll just cause havoc to those actually trying to test. If CCP just feels they need more testers, they can set up incentives that reward over to TQ, something small. Seems it's covered though.
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
595
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Posted - 2015.08.22 22:42:47 -
[62] - Quote
Alright I've changed my mind.
After performing the necessary research, I've come to probably the only educated conclusion in this thread:
Free to Play is ESSENTIAL to ensuring the survival of EvE.
Any who disagrees are obviously only doing so to placate their egos, to bolster their superiority complex where they feel having money to spend on completely unnecessary and ridiculous purchases such as online video game subscriptions makes them better people.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. |
Daniela Doran
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
90
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Posted - 2015.08.22 22:52:56 -
[63] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:No NO NO No no NO NO no NO
Please no
Knowing that Children exist is already bad enough.
We all put something at risk, we all invest something, be it time to aquire PLEX or time to pay for the subs.
Kids are dumb. Remove them all from the game and preferably the internet, maybe life if we can convince enough people to agree.
LOL
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Marsha Mallow
2460
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Posted - 2015.08.22 23:20:44 -
[64] - Quote
Yes
But not yet
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: TO THE PITCHFORKMOBILE!
Benny Ohu wrote: fire up the argument calibrators set phasers to outraged overheat keyboards reinforce the thread
Jenn aSide wrote: does anyone have any assless chaps I could borrow?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:00:00 -
[65] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:You being one who believes what you want, believe whatever you want.
I'll allow it.
Then I'll believe that you have no idea how to spell GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ since this is the most consistent with your previous grandiose instances of thorough ignorance.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
596
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:02:50 -
[66] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You being one who believes what you want, believe whatever you want.
I'll allow it. Then I'll believe that you have no idea how to spell GÇ£fictionGÇ¥ since this is the most consistent with your previous grandiose instances of thorough ignorance.
Whatever makes you happy
Which would probably be EvE going free to play because it's a fact that the game would be at least 10x better than it is now. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:05:49 -
[67] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Which would probably be EvE going free to play because it's a fact that the game would be at least 10x better than it is now.
You're just proving my point.
Just because the two words begin with GÇÿfGÇÖ and have a GÇÿctGÇÖ in them does not mean they mean the same thing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
596
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:12:03 -
[68] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Which would probably be EvE going free to play because it's a fact that the game would be at least 10x better than it is now. You're just proving my point. Just because the two words begin with GÇÿfGÇÖ and have a GÇÿctGÇÖ in them does not mean they mean the same thing.
Which leads me to believe you have been drinking to arrive at this conclusion. No sober person would.
Also because your word "begin" has the word "gin" in it.
Please take your obviously drunken statements to AA. |
Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS X
420
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:13:58 -
[69] - Quote
Im pretty sure, given how badly CCP manages the whole concept of making money from EVE they are probably reading your post and coming to the conclusion that sounds like a great idea.
But.....
Undercutting EVEs already crappy income flow would kill the already pathetic rate of development EVE suffers from due to poor fiscal management by CCP.
So, no.
-1
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
1144
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:14:07 -
[70] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
I cant afford to play Free To Play games; they're way too expensive.
I'll just leave this here.
Free to Play |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
|
Posted - 2015.08.23 01:23:26 -
[71] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Which leads me to believe you have been drinking to arrive at this conclusion. No, I just know English. It's not the easiest skill in the world to acquire, I'll grant you that, but the same rule holds true for all languages.
Of course, given your previous displays of hilarious prejudice, I'm guessing that you equate GÇ£knowing EnglishGÇ¥ and GÇ£being drunkGÇ¥ somehow the same way you believe that GÇ£fructoseGÇ¥ means the same as GÇ£frictionGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
406
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:26:46 -
[72] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:
Well I think people would buy the game, see that they need to train an account for X amount of days, then just log out until that X passed. Then feeling that they can't perform Y until X arrives, when X gets here they wont be able to do J S because they don't know how to play since they'd been logged out the whole time.
Kind of like how it is now, new players being REQUIRED to play eve offline for at least 6 months until they're finally able to do anything worthwhile.
#fact
That is the players' fault. Not CCP's fault. People so concerned about killboard efficiencies that they have some crazy belief that you need 10m sp for pvp.
Is fairly obvious I am not a dps player in pvp, or even pvp that option. I like the fleet aspect and run support/ewar.
Why do I? Is simple. Less than a week in, I was running support for veteran players. I went through market and saw cool things that I could use to assist somebody in a ship that at the time was huge to me! It is the veteran's fault that we don't stockpile cheap T1 frigs with sensor dampeners and such. It is players fault that a veteran doesn't take a rookie under his wing to give remote sebu and tracking link. It is all player fault they care that having 50 dead rookies losing 30m isk worth of ships on a kb is the end of the world.
**** on DPS, get rookies to work with you. Stick em in support, stick em in tackle. In a fight, let em run wild and cause disruption giving the veterans in their fleet an edge. The isk in this game is insane. A bil isk would by ships for a hundred rookies. And you cannot tell me that having a hundred extra scrams, or ecm or whatever wouldn't give an edge. This becomes common, you know what, that squad of rookies has balls. Give em fast ships to take out the other support rookies. And your killboard efficiencies? Stick em up your asterix.
We should make eve free. Then all the past month of updates will be a years updates because will have a dev team equal to most FTP games... until they get several million people so that earning potential is what it is now. |
Divine Entervention
Onalot
596
|
Posted - 2015.08.23 01:50:00 -
[73] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Which leads me to believe you have been drinking to arrive at this conclusion. No, I just know English. It's not the easiest skill in the world to acquire, I'll grant you that, but the same rule holds true for all languages. Of course, given your previous displays of hilarious prejudice, I'm guessing that you equate GÇ£knowing EnglishGÇ¥ and GÇ£being drunkGÇ¥ somehow the same way you believe that GÇ£fructoseGÇ¥ means the same as GÇ£frictionGÇ¥.
English? Yea I know that one, chap. Nice one.
We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war.
Back to Back world war champs.
But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed.
Cheers |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 01:58:05 -
[74] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war. So you're as ignorant of history as you are of English, then.
Quote:But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed. It's not particularly dodgy, or even much in the way of assumption, when you provide such ample evidence of it all being trueGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:06:38 -
[75] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war. So you're as ignorant of history as you are of English, then. Quote:But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed. It's not particularly dodgy, or even much in the way of assumption, when you provide such ample evidence of it all being trueGǪ
That's the great thing about the Land of the Free.
Our predecessors fought and died for your right to believe whatever you want.
Even when you're 100% wrong.
December 7th, 1941. Never forget. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:10:31 -
[76] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:That's the great thing about the Land of the Free.
Our predecessors fought and died for your right to believe whatever you want.
Even when you're 100% wrong.
You would certainly have been carted off and recycled for more useful purposes if that weren't the caseGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
|
Posted - 2015.08.23 02:11:59 -
[77] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:That's the great thing about the Land of the Free.
Our predecessors fought and died for your right to believe whatever you want.
Even when you're 100% wrong. You would certainly have been carted off and recycled for more useful purposes if that weren't the caseGǪ
You really shouldn't try to argue while pissed. Only makes you look like those first few letters of that word "assumption" we're tossing about. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:15:25 -
[78] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:You really shouldn't try to argue while pissed. Only makes you look like those first few letters of that word "assumption" we're tossing about.
So why do you keep doing so?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:16:14 -
[79] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war. So you're as ignorant of history as you are of English, then. Quote:But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed. It's not particularly dodgy, or even much in the way of assumption, when you provide such ample evidence of it all being trueGǪ That's the great thing about the Land of the Free. Our predecessors fought and died for your right to believe whatever you want. Even when you're 100% wrong. December 7th, 1941. Never forget.
One word, Sabaton. Coat of Arms and Uprising are two of my favorite songs from that group.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:19:54 -
[80] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:You really shouldn't try to argue while pissed. Only makes you look like those first few letters of that word "assumption" we're tossing about. So why do you keep doing so?
I know you are but what am I? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
5521
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:21:05 -
[81] - Quote
Divine Entervention wrote:Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:That's the great thing about the Land of the Free.
Our predecessors fought and died for your right to believe whatever you want.
Even when you're 100% wrong. You would certainly have been carted off and recycled for more useful purposes if that weren't the caseGǪ You really shouldn't try to argue while pissed. Only makes you look like those first few letters of that word "assumption" we're tossing about.
You're an idiot. Clear enough?
You make statements, with words like 'fact' in them, with no reasoning to back them up.
Perhaps idiot is the wrong line of reasoning on my part. Troll seems more likely the more I think about it.
There's a simple way to respond to this, of course: Show your reasoning.
Woo! CSM X!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:24:12 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I know you are but what am I?
Yes, that is your standard more of not-actually-arguing, when you're not being bigoted, hypocritical, or ignorant, or just generally hateful. The last time you tried to go down that road, you almost landed yourself a perma-ban due to your promotion of real-life harassment and death threats GÇö are you sure you want to do that all over again?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:29:35 -
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Prove it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:32:33 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Prove it.
http://eve-search.com/thread/329296-1
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:35:22 -
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Nothing there or in any of my posts is my advocating "promotion of real-life harassment and death threats".
Try again.
Like I said, you shouldn't argue while pissed. And you have to be pissed to be following this line of reasoning. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:37:38 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Nothing there or in any of my posts is my advocating "promotion of real-life harassment and death threats". Incorrect.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:38:23 -
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Tippia wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:Nothing there or in any of my posts is my advocating "promotion of real-life harassment and death threats". Incorrect.
Believe what you want.
Doesn't make it true.
Thanks USA for freedom of belief. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25732
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:43:04 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Believe what you want.
Doesn't make it true.
I'd prefer it if I could believe the opposite were true, but unfortunately, the thread in question made any such wishful thinking impossible.
Quote:Thanks USA for freedom of belief. You mean England and France.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:47:33 -
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Well luckily for everyone, you don't deem what is and isn't possible.
Quote:You mean England and France.
If that's what you choose to believe. |
Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
19
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:49:30 -
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Holy smokes! Tippia and DE need to get a room at a Pleasure Hub to work out their aggravations! I'll even front the isk for the room!
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25733
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:54:02 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:Well luckily for everyone, you don't deem what is and isn't possible. Yes I do.
Quote:If that's what you choose to believe. It's what history has decided to preserve. If you have a different interpretation, you're going to offer up some pretty substantial evidence to support your radical departure from the recorded interpretations of the primary sources.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:54:32 -
[92] - Quote
lol
you really shouldn't try to argue while you're pissed. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25733
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:55:31 -
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You should present an argument rather than bigoted assumption and blatant idiocy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 02:58:26 -
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Tippia wrote:You should present an argument rather than bigoted assumption and blatant idiocy.
You sure do get mean when you're pissed. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25733
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:00:02 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:You sure do get mean when you're pissed.
Not really, no.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:00:17 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
You're an idiot. Clear enough?
You make statements, with words like 'fact' in them, with no reasoning to back them up.
Perhaps idiot is the wrong line of reasoning on my part. Troll seems more likely the more I think about it.
There's a simple way to respond to this, of course: Show your reasoning.
And you are CSM, how about a little class? I mean yeah, you are all players but the purpose is to address and discuss the future of Eve from the views of the player base. Both of them are disrupting a viable conversation. I even had responded to one previous that showed, what I thought, was extensive reasoning and it got blurred passed with their off topic fighting. The last line was valid, but the first three completely obsolete it and probably barely gets read. I didn't even notice it because I left off at, "You're and idiot"
Jonas Kanjus wrote:
Holy smokes! Tippia and DE need to get a room at a Pleasure Hub to work out their aggravations! I'll even front the isk for the room!
No doubt, where is the forum police when we actually do need one to clear this thread out. Talk about off topic. Tooting my own horn, I had on the previous page a pretty good writeup and addressing of what they were initially bantering about and not even a comment. I bet they don't even know it exists. Toxic convo is Toxic. |
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
12886
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:01:15 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:
English? Yea I know that one, chap. Nice one.
We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war.
Back to Back world war champs.
But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed.
Cheers
Wut? I actually had family that went over to Europe to fight. So now you are trying to make the case that EVE should become f2p over that?!? Damn kids!! Get off my lawn! ! ! *sprays divine with a garden hose*
I'm in it for the money
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
597
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:03:26 -
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Webvan wrote:
Wut? I actually had family that went over to Europe to fight. So now you are trying to make the case that EVE should become f2p over that?!? Damn kids!! Get off my lawn! ! ! *sprays divine with a garden hose*
lol this post is the bees knees |
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
409
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:04:32 -
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Webvan wrote:Divine Entervention wrote:
English? Yea I know that one, chap. Nice one.
We still get to speak English thanks to the USA defeating Germany back in the great war.
Back to Back world war champs.
But whatever, I'll not give you a bollocking for your dodgy assumptions due to my knowing you're trying to talk to me while you're pissed.
Cheers
Wut? I actually had family that went over to Europe to fight. So now you are trying to make the case that EVE should become f2p over that?!? Damn kids!! Get off my lawn! ! ! *sprays divine with a garden hose*
And I have family that went through unspeakable horrors during ww2. Family that died before the US even decided to take an active stance. it is called World War because it engulfed the world. This "Cause 'merica" attitude makes me sick. This thread needs to be locked down. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
25733
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:06:26 -
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Markus Reese wrote:No doubt, where is the forum police when we actually do need one to clear this thread out. Talk about off topic. Tooting my own horn, I had on the previous page a pretty good writeup and addressing of what they were initially bantering about and not even a comment. I bet they don't even know it exists. Toxic convo is Toxic.
Sure I do. I just have no nits to pick with it GÇö it was a well-articulated, reasonable, and accurate assessment.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Jonas Kanjus
Side Busters
20
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Posted - 2015.08.23 03:07:08 -
[101] - Quote
Markus Reese wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:
You're an idiot. Clear enough?
You make statements, with words like 'fact' in them, with no reasoning to back them up.
Perhaps idiot is the wrong line of reasoning on my part. Troll seems more likely the more I think about it.
There's a simple way to respond to this, of course: Show your reasoning.
And you are CSM, how about a little class? I mean yeah, you are all players but the purpose is to address and discuss the future of Eve from the views of the player base. Both of them are disrupting a viable conversation. I even had responded to one previous that showed, what I thought, was extensive reasoning and it got blurred passed with their off topic fighting. The last line was valid, but the first three completely obsolete it and probably barely gets read. I didn't even notice it because I left off at, "You're and idiot" Jonas Kanjus wrote:
Holy smokes! Tippia and DE need to get a room at a Pleasure Hub to work out their aggravations! I'll even front the isk for the room!
No doubt, where is the forum police when we actually do need one to clear this thread out. Talk about off topic. Tooting my own horn, I had on the previous page a pretty good writeup and addressing of what they were initially bantering about and not even a comment. I bet they don't even know it exists. Toxic convo is Toxic.
I agree with you about the CSM comment. It was unprofessional.
Good write up, btw.
My inauguration date to EVE Online:
6/25/2005 8:24:57 AM UTC
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Divine Entervention
Onalot
598
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:08:19 -
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Jonas Kanjus wrote:
Good write up, btw.
Thanks |
Panthe3 Black
The Branded Few
Test Alliance Please Ignore
441
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:16:29 -
[103] - Quote
yes it will go f2p at some point, prob close to the end imho |
Mephiztopheleze
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
139
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Posted - 2015.08.23 04:56:25 -
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Asinar wrote:
*snip*
Do you think F2P will happen?
Nope. Such a huge shift in business model at this stage would be, unwise, from both a Business and Development standpoint.
To be a successful F2P game, a game needs to be designed as an F2P game from the ground up.
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
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ISD Buldath
ISD STAR
111
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Posted - 2015.08.23 05:48:23 -
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Quote:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not conductive to the community spirit that CCP promotes. As such, this kind of behavior will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
Thats enough. I would go through and Scrub this Thread clean, but I would end up deleting have the Post's on here in an attempt to do so. I'm going to go ahead and allow everyone a chance to chill and relax and lock this thread.
I am dissapointed in you.
~ISD Buldath
Interstellar Services Department
Support, Training and Resources Division
Lt. Commander
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