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Player One
Minmatar
Die wilde 13
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:01:00 -
[91]
you can "discuss" cyvok's right to petition the loss for another 2 weeks
the gms handle it, not the hahahahah look at the noob sayers
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Commander Morgoth
Caldari
Hammerfall Industries
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:04:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Commander Morgoth on 12/12/2006 21:04:22
ASCN "gathers" some money to build a new one:
Gathering titan money
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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:04:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn
I do not know if CCP would make an exception if CYVOK can prove he had an actual power outage, and was thus logged out unintentionally....
/me unplug's puter
"GM Sir! I had a power outage!!! See, it's all on this video clip, its all dark coz the light was out ofc!!!"
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Martin Mckenna
Caldari Navy Raiders
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:07:00 -
[94]
Very very basic mistake. Ah well.
REBUILD THEY WILL!
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Vestalia Gaea
The Echelon
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:10:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Commander Morgoth
Edited by: Commander Morgoth on 12/12/2006 21:04:22
ASCN "gathers" some money to build a new one:
Gathering titan money
Lol?
'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.' |
Evil Thug
Rage and Terror
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:12:00 -
[96]
Really intresting, since when Cyvok tried to DD us in 68ft - he jumped out immediately, after his shot. ASCN got few very competent people, and i`m unable to understand, why they let dude, who is unable to lead fleet and have very low pvp ability to pilot this beast.
Congratulations on kill. Good job.
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CamMan
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:18:00 -
[97]
Edited by: CamMan on 12/12/2006 21:36:56
Edited by: CamMan on 12/12/2006 21:20:05
Originally by: Valora
Originally by: Crohnx
cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off
Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it!
Originally by: Crohnx
still ship should dissapear in next 1min than
Hahahaha, lmao! just had to say that ASCN lost the biggest asset in the game and some of them still dont know how the game mechanics work!
game mechanics
I am sure it has been explained to you in another thread, but here we go again. If you log off with an agro timer, and before that agro timer runs out then the 15 minute agro timer resets. Got it now!
the truth
So the timing went like this, last hostile action from CYVOK 8:14, CYVOK logged and was found with a probe 18:28 (at which time he was already logged out). So he was stuck in space until around 18:43.
The rest of the fleet spent some time laughing and then warped in they started agro'ing as they all came out of warp between 18:30 and 18:31. CYVOK was downed 5 minutes later at 18:36.
Valora should know the times he was the cov ops scout that found the titan.
the ASCN myth
To say he logged at 18:32 (cough, spin) would imply that best case scenario we scanned him down at 18:33, fleet jumped in between 18:34 and 18:35, and then we preceeded to kill him in 1 min. Now does anyone seriously believe the ASCN version of events?
the message
It is a big loss for any player/corporation/alliance, especially to lose so soon after it was made. I feel some sympathy the pilot, so try not to do your head in over it CYVOK, loses happen. However i must add trying to spin that the kill was due to a bug was a desperate attempt at salvation and lowers the sense of sympathy for you.
to the "real combat" people
Yes to kill a titan in real combat is a monumental feat, I am still not sure how it would be done. These things are behemoths! and to kill a real titan would involve CYVOK leaving the safety of his POS shields whilst hostiles were in local which to my knowledge never happened. It is like trying to kill someone that never undocks.
to the he had login queue/he crashed/he had power problems people
He logged out, CCP has chat logs of him stating this, so no crash! if he had power problems then he still should have waited for a few more minutes before warping toa deep safe and logging. Login queues, he logged out for a reason guys, and he didnt login back in until (at least an hour maybe 2) after he was dead. Remember we spent 30 minutes convincing the ASCN people in local that we had killed the titan, so the story that he was furiously tryign to login to save his ship .... you guessed it more spin.
edited: dyslexia
edited: added "real combat" part
Originally by: Bender
Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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foxden
Russian Specnaz
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:32:00 -
[98]
Lotka you the following
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Chienka
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:35:00 -
[99]
Wow that has to be the most straightfoward and unbaised Molle post ive ever seen! Well done BoB!
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Nicolo Paganini
Subrogation Limited
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:39:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Avon
To clarify the aggro timer:
18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29
18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes.
18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed.
18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished.
Originally by: Avon
The only thing that "screwed" CYVOK was his lack of understanding of the game mechanics, and he has only himself to blame.
Those mechanics are very well established and clearly documented, it isn't like it is something new.
It is unfortunate that he made such a fundamental mistake, but there it is.
I guess I feel a little sorry for the ASCN membership who have actually fought and could have many of their losses replaced for the cost of that Avatar, but I have no sympathy for CYVOK.
4.5 Billion ISK (approx) for each ship it killed .. hardly value for money.
I'm sorry, I may be a new player, but I have a lot of trouble believing that a guy who led an alliance that was able to build a Titan would be careless about waiting an extra two minutes before logging out, versus waiting out the timer but crashing out unintentionally instead. The fact that the timer resets is irrelevant, why would anyone want to log out any ship of worth until they were certain the timer had not expired? Regardless, it seems to me like bad luck, but as has been said before, that's the game, fair and square.
I don't get, though, the need to tar and feather the guy, as well. That's just bad sportsmanship.
Also, I'm just curious, if he had logged back in after you guys had warped to him, would you guys still have been able to kill him?
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Boonaki
Caldari
Suffoco Noctis
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:54:00 -
[101]
Who didn't see this comming, I thought it would go down in some sort of ASCN last stand, but oh well, they still killed the ship.
Fear the Ibis of doom!
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IntegralHellsing
Gallente
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2006.12.12 21:57:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Nez Perces
A kill, is a kill, is a kill.
That's my line!
anyways, thank you for a good sum-up story.
(unbiased, well detailed enough.)
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:12:00 -
[103]
Edited by: RedClaws on 12/12/2006 22:13:22
Thank you SirMolle and all of BoB for this flameless topic.
My view on the loss of the titan is exactly the same. Although I don't know the reason why cyvok crashed out or logged out the game mechanics made it possible to probe him out.
I will leave it up to CCP to decide the right thing.
I must say it was a well executed procedure, it was as if bob probed out titans and blew them up almost every day. In a limited timespan and facing one scarey ship they decided to attack on what seems to be at the flip of a coin.
Good FC'ing on their side is all i can say.
We all know BoB are good pvp'ers and I have respect for that.
BoB has several great members in their rank but sadly enough their voices are ofthen not heard next to a large supply of childish behaviour from other members.
I enjoy fighting you bob as long as you keep it civil. I will see you on the battlefield once again and I hope you will treat our adult members in the same way we treat yours.
And now just to make sure I don't get in trouble, these views are my own and not in any way related to ascn. If you try to keep me from voicing my oppinions i will shoot you myself.
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Orrin Danestarr
Minmatar
Merchants Trade Consortium
New Eden Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:23:00 -
[104]
Very nicely detailed and very unbiased i must say....
And yes, i'd take that kill any day of the year if i could, its a massive assest to your opponent and painted with a huge bullseye on it.
If it was a glitch or power failure tho, it certainly deserves to be refunded.
But if its not and its a mistake, own up to it.
Eve is after all, just a game.
"Imagination is the key that unlocks the door." - ME |
Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:25:00 -
[105]
impressive probing skills and opportunism there
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Ater Angellus
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:34:00 -
[106]
Props to BoB for killing the titan even if it was a defensless sitting duck.
There is a big debate cause by mis-understanding of the logoff / agro timer and thus game mechanics, does that mean lagging a system to an extent that someone cannot log in if for whatever reason their connection drops part of the game mechanics? (I am NOT suggesting that BoB or anyone intentionally caused server lag)
While if he gets the Titan back as a result of a petition, the GM's deemed it fair to do so, if he doesn't get it back, the GM's yet again deemed it fair to do so. TBH i couldn't care less if he gets it back or not.
Ok this is waffling a bit as i'm stuck trying to jump into Jita and the petition system won't load to file a stuck petition.
The Above statements are my own opinions and in no way represent the views of anyone in their right mind
Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed |
Kinsy
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:40:00 -
[107]
Molle why dont you just say that Shrike = you?
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Chienka
The Nine Gates
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:40:00 -
[108]
Chances are if he gets his Titan back by petition, he'll probably get it blown up a second time, if hes not careful enough.
But if that titan got killed a second time, that would be Nail-in-the-coffin #5822.
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:43:00 -
[109]
Nice reading..
more detailed stuff like this plz
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Pramas
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:46:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Kinsy
Molle why dont you just say that Shrike = you?
read op again, it says Writing credits; Digitalcommunist 
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Stamm
Amarr
Three Holdings
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2006.12.12 22:49:00 -
[111]
Clear and honest post SirMolle. Can I suggest however that you edit your original posts to make it clear that both titans refers to 1 BoB and 1 ASCN, and that Shrike is the pilot of the BoB titan. (That's how I understand it anyway).
Reason being this thread is likely to be referred to in the future in Eve as a landmark event, and by then it may not be clear who had what and who was who.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:16:00 -
[112]
gentlemen, no need to get aggressive, if you want to fight take it to AZN. Granted this forum is a place of smack, but please keep it somewhat civil.
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Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
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Fuglife
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:16:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
Quote:
For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before.
Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot?
Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen?
1/1
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Coranor
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 -
[114]
Originally by: CYVOK
Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me.
For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in.
Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again.
Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canĘt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war.
Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories".
-CYVOK-
There was no cheating, there was no exploits, there were no hacks and there are no lies. If you can't handle the fact that you just lost a titan well all i can do is quote Molle." Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"
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Alberta
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Lakedaimon
Quote:
For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before.
Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot?
Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen?
You missed the bit about how it happened after he had warped himself to a nice 80AU deep safespot. I can't help but wonder exactly what it was he was planning to do there assuming his PC hadn't randomly rebooted on him...
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crice
Caldari
CRICE Corporation
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 -
[116]
That is harsh. That is even worse then the freighter I lost to concord 
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ProphetGuru
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:19:00 -
[117]
Edited by: ProphetGuru on 12/12/2006 23:53:09
what ever
[CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:22:00 -
[118]
Wow, heh.
Wow.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:23:00 -
[119]
Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system?
Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past.
So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system?
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.12 23:25:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Drake Mezcal
Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system?
Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past.
So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system?
LOL conspiracy theory 4tw.
I think BoB killed kennedy too.
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