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SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:40:00 - [1] Edited by: SirMolle on 12/12/2006 16:42:17 Combat Report - Fall of a Titan ---- In response to the capture of 00YZ-G by Band of Brothers, ASCN assembled a force of ten Dreadnaughts and lay siege into the lone C9N starbase at approximately 03:00 GMT, which had been errected some nights before. The starbase was successfully put into reinforced. The following morning, ASCN prepared to follow through with its siege. The bulk of the BoB forces assembled itself in 00YZ-G where it set out to reinforce those fighting in C9N-CC. In C9N-CC, an ASCN camp of approximately 35 battleships and 30 support sat on the X-7 gate with approximately 45 BoB on the other side. Both Titan pilots were logged in by this point. A suicide cyno pilot was sent in by BoB to let Shrike jump into their camp, but failed to survive. As a result of the destroyed cyno, shrike was hurled into a random position within the system. Shrike then aligned for the hostile gate camp and warped. Expecting this, ASCN forces began warping to a position 400km off the gate. Shrike dropped out of warp and incinerated approximately 11 battleships. ASCN support fleet warped back in attempt to hold the BoB Avatar but lost much to his 10km smartbomb, ASCN battleship fleet soon followed to a sniper position and began attacking Darwin's Contraption. As this was happening, BoB forces jumped through from X-7 system. Support craft were ordered to keep enemy support off the Titan. Battleships were ordered to warp out and reposition on top of the enemy fleet. The main fleet battle of the day ensued, where an Interdictor managed to trap eight more ASCN battleships. Shrike sat on the gate, camping, and was joined by KSUDruid's Wyvern. As the support fleet was collecting from wrecks, ASCN regrouped at extreme range. Traffic's superfast crow managed to get near enough for friendly covert ops to set up 70km from them. Moments later a cynosural field was opened at the gate, and CYVOK used his Doomsday. Due to our maneuver, it only managed to kill one friendly Raven, one friendly Zealot, and one ASCN Scorpion. However, we were only able to kill a couple support before their fleet warped out. Meanwhile in Fountain STK Scientific Dreadnaughts, accompanied by its local allies, attempted an assault of POS in Y-2ANO once again. In this engagement however, BoB carriers and Xelas Dreadnaughts downed three STK Dreads along with one Celestial Apocalypse carrier. Weeks of hauling and preparation for STK's invasion of Fountain ended in the loss of half their capital fleet, for no BoB pos destroyed. Their goal was simple; to take the station and force a two-front war. Shortly after, the starbase in Y-2ANO was put into reinforced, and STK anchored another in response. After CYVOK's timid use of the Doomsday device, BS and Hacs were ordered to regroup at POS as support roamed. Shrike had gone to refuel. In the meantime, Valora ran continuous scans and on the third one discovered an Avatar 90au out. He confirmed that Shrike was not at the POS, and assumed it was the friendly ship. Upon reporting to Shrike, he was told it was not his. Moments later the ship was scanned down. The covert ops pilot had been keeping track of when the DD was fired, and discovered that CYVOK had logged with two minutes to spare on his aggro timer. The entire fleet was warped in, dreadnaughts, carriers, and motherships included. After the dreads had entered into siege, the ship took approximately 4-6 minutes to kill. Valora then probed down the pod, and CYVOK was sent to his clone station. I managed to scoop the corpse in my Deimos, and am still sitting in C9N at pos, 7 hours later.. too afraid to log or leave for fear of losing it.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:41:00 - [2] Edited by: SirMolle on 12/12/2006 16:55:45 Immediately after killing the titan, Shrike was given the killmail and made the historic post on Eve Online forums two minutes later. He then posted the link into local; initial ASCN reaction was that it was a lie. Virtuozzo was allowed to enter our gang, where he warped to the wreckage in his Rokh to confirm. He made it out alive without incident. Shortly after, CYVOK logged on (in JO-) and filed a petition. Within the first fifteen minutes, multiple stories came in; - He had CTDed at POS (this one came from a Species 5618 director on their forums, who "confirmed it") - He experienced a power failure (this one came from CYVOK himself) - He was experiencing difficulties with his computer, and had decided to relog from another (this was the first one, and presumably what CYVOK told them on TS before dying) In all likelyhood, the third one sounds most accurate, as it came through channels before ASCN knew what had happened. Which means he had logged out deliberately, and unaware of game mechanics. To people still wondering - he had 2 minutes left on combat aggro, which means it resets, and you stay in space for another 15 minutes. To cull any further rumours, there were several plans formulated to kill CYVOK, but in the end elaborate strategy was undone by the pilot's apparent lack of understanding of game mechanics.To put it into perspective, 53 ASCN owned capital ships have been downed so far in this war. Of those, the Titan alone is worth as much as the other 52. For his spectacular timing and persistance, Valora/Superbeast/Kaltes was promoted to the rank of Centurion. Writing credits; Digitalcommunist Storytelling; Valora Myself, i was there, and get to give the orders, and managed to get stuck on a corpse and could not warp... Next one we hope will go down guns blazing.
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:41:00 - [3] Edited by: Fortior on 12/12/2006 16:41:38 I await with excitement. EDIT: Ehrm, looks like I borked the sequence
King Dave Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:42:00 - [4] Edited by: King Dave on 12/12/2006 16:52:48 Nice story, but i'm one of those kids that prefers to look at the pretty pictures (frapse) ------------------------------- don't speak english... f1, f2, alt-q!
Candy Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:42:00 - [5] This space for rent. ------------------------------------
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:42:00 - [6] Reserved ____________ The Priory Killboard
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:44:00 - [7] And here I was just thinking there would be nothing fun to read at work...... I just hope its not a story about how Steve returned via petition, that would be a bad story Tell us a happy story Molle.

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:52:00 - [8] We believed it was an empty post, we've unlocked it now. Please email us if you wish to discuss moderation at: [email protected] instead of starting a new thread. Thanks. forum rules \| [email protected]

ZaKma The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:56:00 - [9] Alt posts aren't allowed. -Suvetar --- I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
The Alien Primary Targets	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:58:00 - [10] Great to hear the full story for once. Good work.

ZaKma The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.12 16:59:00 - [11] This is not a alt mister mod. Please do your checking before you edit someones post. Just because I'm currently not in a corp doesn't mean I'm a alt. --- I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar.
Rutoo Gallente Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Valora Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! Just was about to say that Slender Brenda in the raven was last killed by cyvok at 18:14 Titan Killed at 18:36:00 Oops _________________________________________________________ My First EvE Video Club Seals Not Sandwichs
Idunyken Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:29:00 - [13] Gj BoB, look forward to the day when a titan goes down in an actual fight. Hurry with the fraps
jbob2000 Gallente Cskillzone	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:30:00 - [14] good read! CSKILL RECRUITMENT
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:31:00 - [15] I approve of this report. Good stuff indeed! But, I have to ask, was it stuck on a corps or stuck in a corpse? Regards, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Broska FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:31:00 - [16] Nicely written up. ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
August Personage Caldari Clarf Inc	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than not afaik, if logged out before the 15mins aggro was up, he would stay in space for another 15mins, i think.
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than No, if he logs off before the aggression timer is over, it resets to another 15 mins. Much like when you are aggressed after shooting someone in low sec and wait for 14 mins, then decide to jump into a nearby system. It resets and you're back to 15 mins again.
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:32:00 - [19] What's so kudos for BoB getting the Titan kill? I'm sure BoB agrees that it would have been much more interesting if the Titan went down with guns blazing.
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:33:00 - [20] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than No, if he logs off before the aggression timer is over, it resets to another 15 mins. Much like when you are aggressed after shooting someone in low sec and wait for 14 mins, then decide to jump into a nearby system. It resets and you're back to 15 mins again. Wow, I never knew that. Learn something new everyday. Is this documented anyware?

Major Stormer Caldari Red Storm Vendetta	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:34:00 - [21] Interesting read. All seems as if CYVOK had some clear IRL problems on his end, if they was comp or power problems, which is a shame. Thanks for the well written write up. Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:34:00 - [22] Proof that the DD went off at 18:14 can be found on the bob killboard. Look under losses for "slender brenda". ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
Crellion Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:35:00 - [23] Is it accurate, from an eve0lore point of view, to say that other than the thousands of dead ASCN capsuleers, CYVOK's lack of... combat readiness lets say, also caused the deaths of the millions of innocent souls that had only recently taken up high paid career positions in the first ever Titan class ship? snip-Tirg (deleted RL references) (PS Molle listen man: I ll edit you on the Impoc kill if you edit me on the Titan kill... and I ll give you 3 exotic dancers too gratz...) Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:38:00 - [24] Edited by: Nez Perces on 12/12/2006 17:38:17 Originally by: Taedrin What's so kudos for BoB getting the Titan kill? I'm sure BoB agrees that it would have been much more interesting if the Titan went down with guns blazing. A kill, is a kill, is a kill. EVE's first publicly announced titan is dead, BoB killed it. Thats the accomplishment. Its a very simple concept to understand... whether it went down with guns blazing or not is irrelevant, it still went BOOM. The mere fact that it happened at all and so soon, makes it even more interesting.
Svett Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:38:00 - [25] Originally by: Major Stormer Interesting read. All seems as if CYVOK had some clear IRL problems on his end, if they was comp or power problems, which is a shame. Thanks for the well written write up. Documented here : http://kb.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=104 ----- Congratulations. You just ****ed EDF off. I hope you're prepared for the consequences. - John Mccreedy
Statics A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:39:00 - [26] Neat wreck. ---------- link Signature removed due to incorrect size (400X120px and 24000 bytes). Please review the forum rules or e-mail us with any questions. You can view you signature here - Petwraith
matty01 No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:41:00 - [27] awesome __________________________ sig in works
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:44:00 - [28] Originally by: CDS Leader Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than No, if he logs off before the aggression timer is over, it resets to another 15 mins. Much like when you are aggressed after shooting someone in low sec and wait for 14 mins, then decide to jump into a nearby system. It resets and you're back to 15 mins again. Wow, I never knew that. Learn something new everyday. Is this documented anyware? I lost a Tempest to BOB forces that way quite some time ago. About 30 seconds left of my aggression timer, logged off at POS and went to bed, came back and found myself in a station. A corpm8 of mine lost his Carrier in the same manner when I was'nt online to warn him about that. We both thought, at the time, that the aggression timer was as good as over and we woul'nt have to worry about getting probed. It could be a bug or it could be gamemechanics. As I understand, it was gamemechanics, so no reimbursement.
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:46:00 - [29] The lesson learned should be: wait 20 minutes to log. Problem solved. Nice work Valora ----------
Maule Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:47:00 - [30] Edited by: Maule on 12/12/2006 17:50:41 Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off By 18.32 he was at about 80% amor and 18.33 he was at about 20-30% ammor, 18.34 he was at about 70% hull I¦d say, All of this can be seen on some of the many sreenshots taken and made public so no he didn¦t log out at either 18.31 or 18.32 but he logged before that and therefore he still had aggro when he logged... You can see in this movie that he was into armor at 18.32 if you cba to check the ss¦s at 18.32

Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:48:00 - [31] Congrats more than anyone else to Valora, that's a great sense of situational awareness right there . Good job BoB, now finish of the hobbits and get to work on your next target .
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:50:00 - [32] Well written, restrained and infomative. Nice one. - - - - - - - - - - "PERGITE DEGUSTATE FORMOSUM BELLUM" Forward to taste the beautiful war. . .
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:51:00 - [33] Log Off Timer Knowledge Base Article Just for clarifacation of any who may be unaware of the mechanic. [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Vestalia Gaea The Echelon	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:51:00 - [34] Thanks for the writeup 'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.'
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.12.12 17:58:00 - [35] Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than Maybe BoB understand the game dynamics and that is why they are winning? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:01:00 - [36] Quote: The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods. Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action. Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed. The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind. If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer. It was gamemechanics, as you can see. It doesnt matter if you log off 0,5 seconds before the timer is over, it resets and you're back to 15 mins.
Alfragide Nova Lusitania	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:02:00 - [37] Good reading and good to know the facts. Strange thing though it can almost come down to a frig pilot with good scanning skills and that dosen't really need to know how to shoot. 1 small detail - Shouldn't "a Pendulum" go left and right? So u should call it "The Broken Pendulum war". Just a word about the titan pilot, loosing 1 of those should be punishment enough, i mean , HE KNOWS, ok? What ever happend its done , gj BoB, time to move along. AvT Nova LusitGnia
Saladin Minmatar V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:04:00 - [38] Edited by: Saladin on 12/12/2006 18:06:49 So if the aggro timer is 15 minutes, he logged after 13, then it should have disappeared 2 minutes later. Or does the aggro timer get refreshed when you are attacked after logging? [nvm read the link PG put up] And if it took 4-6 minutes to kill it, then I am not buying that he wanted to relog. If he wanted to relog from a different computer he should have been able to come back in time to take part in his own defence. My computer BSOD's frequently and many a time have I been able to get back in under 2 minutes. Same goes for a CTD. However, how lame would it be if he was trying to log in again immediatly and got that message "The cluster is currently full, you are #13 in the queue....". In any case, doesn't take away from the fact that the kill, while important from an isk & morale point of view, holds no thrill since shooting fish in a barrel requires no skill. I really have no love for ASCN, and plenty of hatred for Evolution, but it is such a shame that the first Titan loss on TQ be due to such mistake. A mistake of that magnitude can break anyone's will. Will be interesting to see how that plays out. ----
Ace Frehley Minmatar Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:06:00 - [39] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 12/12/2006 18:07:36 We demand the truth about the titan-pilots!!! snip Help us with our goal and sign our list!! Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes http://www.petitiononline.com/titan147/petition.htmlWe wanna know the truth
Lord Mummbi	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:07:00 - [40] You must have your corp/alliance ticker active and be apart of a player corp to post in this forum. IF you have any questions about this, please feel free to email us at: [email protected] - Kreul Intentions

killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:07:00 - [41] Well there is just 1 response possible from me and my corp. Congratz on the titan kill on behalf off me and corm. Greetz killerco Don't be a great man just be a man
Mariko San Saints Surrounded	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:14:00 - [42] Edited by: Mariko San on 12/12/2006 18:15:56 Originally by: Valora Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! How close do the new probes put you even when probing from a great distance. Seems a bit odd that from getting the first hit on scanner you could travel 80AU and get damage on the target all within the space of 1 minute (as aggro timer would have been gone at 18.29?), or do the new probes (even those you would have to use to break an 80AU SS) put you within 15km of the target? Or if he logged off at 18.28 (even if nothing happened in the meantime) would a new 15 minute aggression timer have started at that point? Man this is confusing.
Maule Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Mariko San Originally by: Valora Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! How close do the new probes put you even when probing from a great distance. Seems a bit odd that from getting the first hit on scanner you could travel 80AU and get damage on the target all within the space of 1 minute (as aggro timer would have been gone at 18.29?), or do the new probes (even those you would have to use to break an 80AU SS) put you within 15km of the target? aggro timer resets when you log off whit it. learn to read others posts before posting pls
Agent Kenshin Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:17:00 - [44] Originally by: Mariko San Edited by: Mariko San on 12/12/2006 18:15:56 Originally by: Valora Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! How close do the new probes put you even when probing from a great distance. Seems a bit odd that from getting the first hit on scanner you could travel 80AU and get damage on the target all within the space of 1 minute (as aggro timer would have been gone at 18.29?), or do the new probes (even those you would have to use to break an 80AU SS) put you within 15km of the target? Or if he logged off at 18.28 (even if nothing happened in the meantime) would a new 15 minute aggression timer have started at that point? Man this is confusing. The size of the ship makes it a floating beacon in space. How accurate and close you are depends a lot on how big the signature radius of the ship is. And well titans are flying stations so its not a surpise they narrowed it down rather quickly. -----
Saladin Minmatar V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:20:00 - [45] Edited by: Saladin on 12/12/2006 18:22:28 Mariko I haven't tried the 80-90 au ones yet, but they really improved probing and it is so easy now. The 12AU ones that I used to use would take 4-5 minutes and you would need 3 of them, and you would need to do another scan with 3 3 au ones. Well now with the 12AU ones and some of the new kali skills it takes one probe and 63 seconds to find everything with great accuracy (i warped to zero by mistake to one ship and bounced off him and lost my cloak). At that range, I think a Spook probe could do it but feel free to correct me. Quote: The size of the ship makes it a floating beacon in space. How accurate and close you are depends a lot on how big the signature radius of the ship is. And well titans are flying stations so its not a surpise they narrowed it down rather quickly. A covert ops frig with a recon probe launcher can pretty much narrow down a BS to zero meters, so with the right range probe a titan should be no problem at all. ----
Mirkel Amarr The Buggers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:24:00 - [46] so when is cyvok coming with his explanation of what happened ?
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:30:00 - [47] nice write up - might i encourage when this is all over and the dust begins to settle, that BoB do a similar write up for the campaign itself? Would be cool to follow on from Seleene & KIAEddz initiative. Would be nice to see both sides of the story as well, one from ASCN!
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:32:00 - [48] Edited by: Avon on 12/12/2006 18:46:30 To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:34:00 - [49] Well, nice report. Looks like cyvok made a big expensive mistake. Anyway, well deserved kill. Can be compared with sport: A good team spots the mistakes of their opponent and takes their chances, a worse team usually not. So grats. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:34:00 - [50] Thanks for the exciting writeup. Another good argument for Seleene's Combat Report forum. Koronos

Diablique The Forsakened Few	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:36:00 - [51] Imagine, if you will, a lowly CCP GM, churning his way through the endless petition que. Granting ships, sending standard replies of denial, "Hi there. Thank you for contacting customer support and our apologies for the late reply. I regret to inform you that we have not been able to verify exactly what happened to you and thus are not able to reimburse you. We can only use our server logs for verification as this is the only secure information that we have. Unfortunately, they do not have the information that would be required for reimbursement in this case. Best regards, EVE Online Customer Support" Then he hits Cyvok's Petition.... his jaw drops, he drops his coffee onto the desk, and he loses all bladder control. I swear that'll be the hottest petition in the office that day, if they don't hunt it down out of turn and deal with it imedeatly!!!
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:37:00 - [52] Edited by: Joerd Toastius on 12/12/2006 18:38:21 On probe mechanics: An Apoc has a "findability" (ie, measure of how easy it is to probe down) of 400/20=20. An Avatar is 1425/1000=1.425. It's a quirk of the current model, but an Apoc is around 14 times easier to find than an Avatar. That said, observators have a max deviation of 20,000km, which means you can go straight to snoops, which should find it on the first pass at that range. On logoff mechanics, for those who are still confused and didn't bother to read the linked knowledgebase article: Quote: The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods. Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action. Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed. The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind. If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer. tl;dr: The FIRST timer starts whenever anything PvP-related happens to your ship (anyone taking aggro on you, basically). This is 15 minutes long, and restarts every time hostile modules cycle on you. The SECOND timer starts if you log off before the FIRST expires. This is ANOTHER 15 MINUTES. When this timer activates you emergency warp and all your modules finish their cycle and stop, including cloaks. If your ship stays alive, you disappear at the end of the timer. The THIRD timer starts if you die while the SECOND is running. Your pod emergency warps and stays in space for ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, after which it disappears. Thus, if you log off 1 second before your timer expires, you will emergency warp, your modules will stop and you will be sitting in space for FIFTEEN MINUTES before your ship disappears.
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:38:00 - [53] Good job guys. Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat, if for no other reason then this will not be the last time you hear the phrase, "Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat." Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Kyra Azor Silver Train	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:40:00 - [54] For those that say that probing a Titan is easy, it's not exactly so. As you can see in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=440155 The chance of finding a ship is measured by signature/sensor strength. Titan has large signature but also huge sensor strentgh. So it was indeed very lucky to find the Titan so quickly.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:43:00 - [55] Originally by: Avon To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:39 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. 18:36 according to the killmail.
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:43:00 - [56] Originally by: ProphetGuru Log Off Timer Knowledge Base Article Just for clarifacation of any who may be unaware of the mechanic. More people, especially ASCN and Cyvok need to read this. If he logs out even 1 second prior to his timer being up, he instantly gets tagged with another 15 minute timer.
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:44:00 - [57] Grats on the titan kill..... Methinks Cyvok should focus on trying somehow to save his alliance and forget the loss, as painful as it must be. A little bit of pride swallowing is in order..... BTW, wonder what the insurance payout is on that beast? ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:45:00 - [58] Originally by: killerco Well there is just 1 response possible from me and my corp. Congratz on the titan kill on behalf off me and corm. Greetz killerco Much Respect
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:46:00 - [59] Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: Avon To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:39 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. 18:36 according to the killmail. My mistake, I was looking at the capsule loss, I'll edit my post. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:47:00 - [60] Originally by: Heptameron Grats on the titan kill..... Methinks Cyvok should focus on trying somehow to save his alliance and forget the loss, as painful as it must be. A little bit of pride swallowing is in order..... BTW, wonder what the insurance payout is on that beast? Since it can not dock to insure, he would only get the 40% of base price I believe. So insurance payout would be just over 20 bil isk.

Addicus Zed Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:49:00 - [61] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Good job guys. Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat, if for no other reason then this will not be the last time you hear the phrase, "Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat." I would like to put it this way, as the saying goes...it doesn't matter how much difference is the win. A win is a win. So in this case, a kill is a kill...doesn't matter if it was killed during a fight or not. As for insurance, don't think there will be a full payout since you can't dock and insure a Titan...probably there is a special option when you fly one, so i could be wrong there
Heptameron Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:54:00 - [62] Originally by: Addicus Zed As for insurance, don't think there will be a full payout since you can't dock and insure a Titan...probably there is a special option when you fly one, so i could be wrong there Good point..... but even the base payout should keep me a happy bunny for another 3 years of getting blown up :p ---------------------------------------------- We can't all be heroes, because somebody has to sit on the curb and clap as they go by
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:54:00 - [63] Thats so poor. I cant believe something so magnificant was killed so very easily. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:57:00 - [64] Originally by: Addicus Zed Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn Good job guys. Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat, if for no other reason then this will not be the last time you hear the phrase, "Too bad you didn't kill it in actual combat." I would like to put it this way, as the saying goes...it doesn't matter how much difference is the win. A win is a win. So in this case, a kill is a kill...doesn't matter if it was killed during a fight or not. As for insurance, don't think there will be a full payout since you can't dock and insure a Titan...probably there is a special option when you fly one, so i could be wrong there not denying, even said good job. Just pointing out the obvious. Its just so....anti-climatic. Still a good kill tho. Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
BoinKlasik Senkei Jin	Posted - 2006.12.12 18:59:00 - [65] Sad story, I agree that the next one, regardless who owns it, at least the titan should be defending itself. This way to lose a ship is just depressing :( nice post though, liked the story. doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Dirtball Kemono.	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:04:00 - [66] Between the pos fuel and how the titan died this conflict is becoming very anticlimatic. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Octavios Caldari Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:09:00 - [67] Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 12/12/2006 18:46:30 To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. reallly? never new that about agro times. It should have been 15 min with no reset due to log off CYVOK got screwed, no way you can probe him out and get dmg on him within 2 minutes. i want him to get his titan back and have a real Titan vs Titan fight to the death. ----------------------------------------------
Wild Rho Amarr Black Omega Security	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:23:00 - [68] Certainly not a bob fan but that was nicely written, very little propeganda and poltical garbage. Congrats on the kill. I have the body of a supermodel. I just can't remember where I left it.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Octavios Edited by: Octavios on 12/12/2006 19:10:27 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 12/12/2006 18:46:30 To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. reallly? never new that about agro times. It should have been 15 min with no reset due to log off CYVOK got screwed, no way you can probe him out and get dmg on him within 2 minutes if the reset dindt occur. i want him to get his titan back and have a real Titan vs Titan fight to the death. The only thing that "screwed" CYVOK was his lack of understanding of the game mechanics, and he has only himself to blame. Those mechanics are very well established and clearly documented, it isn't like it is something new. It is unfortunate that he made such a fundamental mistake, but there it is. I guess I feel a little sorry for the ASCN membership who have actually fought and could have many of their losses replaced for the cost of that Avatar, but I have no sympathy for CYVOK. 4.5 Billion ISK (approx) for each ship it killed .. hardly value for money. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:34:00 - [70] Originally by: Octavios Edited by: Octavios on 12/12/2006 19:10:27 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 12/12/2006 18:46:30 To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. reallly? never new that about agro times. It should have been 15 min with no reset due to log off CYVOK got screwed, no way you can probe him out and get dmg on him within 2 minutes if the reset dindt occur. i want him to get his titan back and have a real Titan vs Titan fight to the death. With the new recon probe launchers, you can scan someone, even in a deep safe spot, in under 45 seconds. So umm, yes way.

Myadra Amarr Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:34:00 - [71] Edited by: Myadra on 12/12/2006 19:34:54 Nice combat report, well written , and congrats on the 1st titan kill, but would of been nicer if it was killed in actual combat, with Cyvok logged on at the helm ^^ About the log off thing, I've logged off at safespots a few times just to fix lag issues, and once got the jump que on log in screen over and over... and people in my gang couldnt warp to me, cause i warped off 1au away.. And actually with this patch its bugged, the log in screen keeps showing same jump cue unless you switch character portraits on log in screen. and you'll never get back in. If i was cyvok, I'd prolly log inside a POS with ships bumping me, so i dont warp 1au and still takes 1-2mins normale log off for ship to disapear. BL-IN site & Killboard
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Octavios reallly? never new that about agro times. It should have been 15 min with no reset due to log off CYVOK got screwed, no way you can probe him out and get dmg on him within 2 minutes if the reset dindt occur. The community in general, and alliances that participate in pvp in particular, raised hell to get this timer, to prevent a lot of the older logging off bull that, as bad as it is today, used to be 10x worse. We played within the given mechanics of the game, as we always do. We in no way violated the eula / tos. Cyvok deserves no more then what he got, his basic insurance. Be it a noob that logs out in a bestower, or a ... (resists urge) alliance leader in an Avatar, the mechanics are WHAT they are, and playing within them (BoB) or not understanding them properly (ascn) in no way means said rules should be suspended. While all would agree it would be an awesome sight to see a beast of a ship such as this go down all guns firing, in a blaze of glory, the reality is we are in a war that we have every intention of winning, and we struck another in a long line of decisive blows against our opponent. Not one of you hypocrites would stare at an enemy titan and not shoot at it. Not one of you... [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Recluse Viramor Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Octavios Edited by: Octavios on 12/12/2006 19:10:27 Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 12/12/2006 18:46:30 To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. reallly? never new that about agro times. It should have been 15 min with no reset due to log off CYVOK got screwed, no way you can probe him out and get dmg on him within 2 minutes if the reset dindt occur. i want him to get his titan back and have a real Titan vs Titan fight to the death. It can't get any more clearer than this from the knowledge base, Quote: The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods. Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action. Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed. The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind. If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer.
Deidranna SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:49:00 - [74] Edited by: Deidranna on 12/12/2006 19:49:38 more =====) for you the destruction of the titan was the 1st news in the mmorpg-show on giga tv (german) today, incl a video. Both, ASCN and BoB can be proud, they've been on TV, yeah GM Eldini > Hi, behaving are we?
00tricky Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:49:00 - [75] Originally by: ProphetGuru Not one of you hypocrites would stare at an enemy titan and not shoot at it. Not one of you... QFT I could see it now... Cov Ops: "guys, I have him scrambled... but he's logged." FC: "Damn, we can't kill him like this. Let's go home guys, better luck next time."
LC Sulla BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:54:00 - [76] Originally by: ProphetGuru Not one of you hypocrites would stare at an enemy titan and not shoot at it. Not one of you... Aye. He speaks the truth . Please delete Cornelia Svlla's post (don't know why my alt posted).
Befounder FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:55:00 - [77] hmm just need cvyok to write a report/explanation/something like this there is no worse death than the end of hope
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 19:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Befounder hmm just need cvyok to write a report/explanation/something like this He wont, he rather petition another loss. They have pretty much petitioned every other ship they have lost I'm afraid.... -
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:06:00 - [79] Originally by: ProphetGuru Not one of you hypocrites would stare at an enemy titan and not shoot at it. Not one of you... Damn straight! And I dont get all this talk about the timer, I dont know chite about game mechanics but this is as crystal as it gets imho. At least the basic of it... (Didnt know about that it resets with a system change though, hence enhancing my statement about my knowledge of the extention of certain mechanics... ) And Titans going down in a blaze of fire and glory...please people, the Era of Titans has just started, we will get that too, I frikkin guarantee it! Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Terminus adacai Caldari Mintaka Mining Inc	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:10:00 - [80] Congrats on the kill. That woulda been one helluva salvage job.

Wilfan Ret'nub Singularity.	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:14:00 - [81] Maybe CCP could add global aggression timer to the GUI in addition to the (pretty useless) faction ones (which TBH I haven't seen in months). ------ No ISK, no fun
Zyta Eke Bombshell Cartel Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:14:00 - [82] I feel for the guy. I don't blame BoB in the least for taking advantage (I would have done the same), but losing such an expensive ship to a misunderstanding of a game mechanic is a real shame. I have major respect for CYVOK for taking that ship into the line of fire in the first place, and this one mistake, however costly, does not change that opinion. Don't let it get you down, CYVOK. We all make mistakes.
Tornan Minmatar Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:35:00 - [83] This whole thing reminds me of pear harbour. The US was caught with there pants down. Call the Japanese cowards or whatever for that but it was a great strategy on there part, your should fight battles on your temrs when ever possible. It would of been nice that it was lost in a massive engagmement but it wasnt and I will go so far as to say BoB would be mistaken not to off taken it down and vice versa if ASCN had the same oportunity All that is left now is to see what CCP decides as to whether it was a legitamte in game kill.
Altai Saker Omniscient Order The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:37:00 - [84] Sad that this is how the first titan went down. However props go to those that did everything right in order to kill it. I guess this will just teach all alliances to keep probes running at all times! http://www.omniscient-order.com/
RotatoR Star Kingdom of Manticore Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:39:00 - [85] Finally I learned about resetting aggro timer. Thanks God it was not me who teached that lesson to EVEryone uninformed. Sometimes **** happens...
Emperor D'Hoffryn No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:41:00 - [86] Originally by: Wilfan Ret'nub Maybe CCP could add global aggression timer to the GUI in addition to the (pretty useless) faction ones (which TBH I haven't seen in months). QFT. the pvp timer should be visible. This would remove all excuses. In the end, it was a clean kill on BoBs part. All actions were making use of known, accepted, and intended game mechanics. I do not know if CCP would make an exception if CYVOK can prove he had an actual power outage, and was thus logged out unintentionally.... Originally by: Tuxford Yes we don't play on our main accounts simply because you would lose all respect for us
Zrevak Ashek RONA Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:54:00 - [87] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn In the end, it was a clean kill on BoBs part. All actions were making use of known, accepted, and intended game mechanics. I do not know if CCP would make an exception if CYVOK can prove he had an actual power outage, and was thus logged out unintentionally.... I can almost see it: CYVOK files a reimbursement stating someone in BOB knew where he lived in RL, got to his house and cut the power
Zebler Four Horsemen	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:57:00 - [88] Edited by: Zebler on 12/12/2006 21:00:47 I would suggest that the fact he logged out/lost power is not petitionable. They were his choices, or his own fault (accident). However, the fact that he said he was not able to log back in, is imo, petitionable. I too was trying to log an alt in at the time of this incident. I was #1232 in the queue Thats an exceptional delay, that is not of his fault. Time will tell how CCP views the situation. IMO, it would be nice for CCP to roll back the clock, let Cyvok back into game with the BOB fleet pounding on him. Then we see how the fight should have gone down.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:58:00 - [89] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn I do not know if CCP would make an exception if CYVOK can prove he had an actual power outage, and was thus logged out unintentionally.... Why should they? Shouldn't the reimbursement policy be the same for everyone? If the fault is not at CCP's end, then really there is no reason for them to reimburse. The policy is there to protect players from CCP's problems, not their own. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
aeti Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 20:59:00 - [90] Originally by: Terminus adacai Congrats on the kill. That woulda been one helluva salvage job. salvaging the wreck resulted in one standard component, same as you would get from any random npc bs spawn ._.

Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:01:00 - [91] you can "discuss" cyvok's right to petition the loss for another 2 weeks the gms handle it, not the hahahahah look at the noob sayers
Commander Morgoth Caldari Hammerfall Industries	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:04:00 - [92] Edited by: Commander Morgoth on 12/12/2006 21:04:22 ASCN "gathers" some money to build a new one: Gathering titan money
Liu Kaskakka PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:04:00 - [93] Originally by: Emperor D'Hoffryn I do not know if CCP would make an exception if CYVOK can prove he had an actual power outage, and was thus logged out unintentionally.... /me unplug's puter "GM Sir! I had a power outage!!! See, it's all on this video clip, its all dark coz the light was out ofc!!!" King Liu is RIGHT!!
Martin Mckenna Caldari Navy Raiders DeStInY.	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:07:00 - [94] Very very basic mistake. Ah well. REBUILD THEY WILL!
Vestalia Gaea The Echelon	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Commander Morgoth Edited by: Commander Morgoth on 12/12/2006 21:04:22 ASCN "gathers" some money to build a new one: Gathering titan money Lol? 'A disorderly mob is no more an army than a heap of building materials is a house.'
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:12:00 - [96] Really intresting, since when Cyvok tried to DD us in 68ft - he jumped out immediately, after his shot. ASCN got few very competent people, and i`m unable to understand, why they let dude, who is unable to lead fleet and have very low pvp ability to pilot this beast. Congratulations on kill. Good job.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:18:00 - [97] Edited by: CamMan on 12/12/2006 21:36:56 Edited by: CamMan on 12/12/2006 21:20:05 Originally by: Valora Originally by: Crohnx cyvok loged after 15min agro timer. dd was set off @ 18:13-18:14 , he loged around 18:31-18:32 , agro timer was off Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! Originally by: Crohnx still ship should dissapear in next 1min than Hahahaha, lmao! just had to say that ASCN lost the biggest asset in the game and some of them still dont know how the game mechanics work! game mechanics I am sure it has been explained to you in another thread, but here we go again. If you log off with an agro timer, and before that agro timer runs out then the 15 minute agro timer resets. Got it now! the truth So the timing went like this, last hostile action from CYVOK 8:14, CYVOK logged and was found with a probe 18:28 (at which time he was already logged out). So he was stuck in space until around 18:43. The rest of the fleet spent some time laughing and then warped in they started agro'ing as they all came out of warp between 18:30 and 18:31. CYVOK was downed 5 minutes later at 18:36. Valora should know the times he was the cov ops scout that found the titan. the ASCN myth To say he logged at 18:32 (cough, spin) would imply that best case scenario we scanned him down at 18:33, fleet jumped in between 18:34 and 18:35, and then we preceeded to kill him in 1 min. Now does anyone seriously believe the ASCN version of events? the message It is a big loss for any player/corporation/alliance, especially to lose so soon after it was made. I feel some sympathy the pilot, so try not to do your head in over it CYVOK, loses happen. However i must add trying to spin that the kill was due to a bug was a desperate attempt at salvation and lowers the sense of sympathy for you. to the "real combat" people Yes to kill a titan in real combat is a monumental feat, I am still not sure how it would be done. These things are behemoths! and to kill a real titan would involve CYVOK leaving the safety of his POS shields whilst hostiles were in local which to my knowledge never happened. It is like trying to kill someone that never undocks. to the he had login queue/he crashed/he had power problems people He logged out, CCP has chat logs of him stating this, so no crash! if he had power problems then he still should have waited for a few more minutes before warping toa deep safe and logging. Login queues, he logged out for a reason guys, and he didnt login back in until (at least an hour maybe 2) after he was dead. Remember we spent 30 minutes convincing the ASCN people in local that we had killed the titan, so the story that he was furiously tryign to login to save his ship .... you guessed it more spin. edited: dyslexia edited: added "real combat" part Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
foxden Russian Specnaz	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:32:00 - [98] Lotka you the following
Chienka The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:35:00 - [99] Wow that has to be the most straightfoward and unbaised Molle post ive ever seen! Well done BoB!
Nicolo Paganini Subrogation Limited	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Avon To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. Originally by: Avon The only thing that "screwed" CYVOK was his lack of understanding of the game mechanics, and he has only himself to blame. Those mechanics are very well established and clearly documented, it isn't like it is something new. It is unfortunate that he made such a fundamental mistake, but there it is. I guess I feel a little sorry for the ASCN membership who have actually fought and could have many of their losses replaced for the cost of that Avatar, but I have no sympathy for CYVOK. 4.5 Billion ISK (approx) for each ship it killed .. hardly value for money. I'm sorry, I may be a new player, but I have a lot of trouble believing that a guy who led an alliance that was able to build a Titan would be careless about waiting an extra two minutes before logging out, versus waiting out the timer but crashing out unintentionally instead. The fact that the timer resets is irrelevant, why would anyone want to log out any ship of worth until they were certain the timer had not expired? Regardless, it seems to me like bad luck, but as has been said before, that's the game, fair and square. I don't get, though, the need to tar and feather the guy, as well. That's just bad sportsmanship. Also, I'm just curious, if he had logged back in after you guys had warped to him, would you guys still have been able to kill him?

Boonaki Caldari Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:54:00 - [101] Who didn't see this comming, I thought it would go down in some sort of ASCN last stand, but oh well, they still killed the ship. Fear the Ibis of doom! 113
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.12 21:57:00 - [102] Originally by: Nez Perces A kill, is a kill, is a kill. That's my line! anyways, thank you for a good sum-up story. (unbiased, well detailed enough.) ------------------------------
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:12:00 - [103] Edited by: RedClaws on 12/12/2006 22:13:22 Thank you SirMolle and all of BoB for this flameless topic. My view on the loss of the titan is exactly the same. Although I don't know the reason why cyvok crashed out or logged out the game mechanics made it possible to probe him out. I will leave it up to CCP to decide the right thing. I must say it was a well executed procedure, it was as if bob probed out titans and blew them up almost every day. In a limited timespan and facing one scarey ship they decided to attack on what seems to be at the flip of a coin. Good FC'ing on their side is all i can say. We all know BoB are good pvp'ers and I have respect for that. BoB has several great members in their rank but sadly enough their voices are ofthen not heard next to a large supply of childish behaviour from other members. I enjoy fighting you bob as long as you keep it civil. I will see you on the battlefield once again and I hope you will treat our adult members in the same way we treat yours. And now just to make sure I don't get in trouble, these views are my own and not in any way related to ascn. If you try to keep me from voicing my oppinions i will shoot you myself.
Orrin Danestarr Minmatar Merchants Trade Consortium New Eden Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:23:00 - [104] Very nicely detailed and very unbiased i must say.... And yes, i'd take that kill any day of the year if i could, its a massive assest to your opponent and painted with a huge bullseye on it. If it was a glitch or power failure tho, it certainly deserves to be refunded. But if its not and its a mistake, own up to it. Eve is after all, just a game. "Imagination is the key that unlocks the door." - ME
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:25:00 - [105] impressive probing skills and opportunism there ------ relaxed corp looking for members
Ater Angellus DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:34:00 - [106] Props to BoB for killing the titan even if it was a defensless sitting duck. There is a big debate cause by mis-understanding of the logoff / agro timer and thus game mechanics, does that mean lagging a system to an extent that someone cannot log in if for whatever reason their connection drops part of the game mechanics? (I am NOT suggesting that BoB or anyone intentionally caused server lag) While if he gets the Titan back as a result of a petition, the GM's deemed it fair to do so, if he doesn't get it back, the GM's yet again deemed it fair to do so. TBH i couldn't care less if he gets it back or not. Ok this is waffling a bit as i'm stuck trying to jump into Jita and the petition system won't load to file a stuck petition. The Above statements are my own opinions and in no way represent the views of anyone in their right mind Amarr born, Amarr bred, strong in the armor, thick in the 'ed
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:40:00 - [107] Molle why dont you just say that Shrike = you?
Chienka The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:40:00 - [108] Chances are if he gets his Titan back by petition, he'll probably get it blown up a second time, if hes not careful enough. But if that titan got killed a second time, that would be Nail-in-the-coffin #5822.
Nyack GREY COUNCIL Breidablik	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:43:00 - [109] Nice reading.. more detailed stuff like this plz
Pramas Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Kinsy Molle why dont you just say that Shrike = you? read op again, it says Writing credits; Digitalcommunist

Stamm Amarr Three Holdings Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.12 22:49:00 - [111] Clear and honest post SirMolle. Can I suggest however that you edit your original posts to make it clear that both titans refers to 1 BoB and 1 ASCN, and that Shrike is the pilot of the BoB titan. (That's how I understand it anyway). Reason being this thread is likely to be referred to in the future in Eve as a landmark event, and by then it may not be clear who had what and who was who.
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:16:00 - [112] gentlemen, no need to get aggressive, if you want to fight take it to AZN. Granted this forum is a place of smack, but please keep it somewhat civil. ------------- Cadet Lithalnas - Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:16:00 - [113] Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? 1/1 ---
Coranor Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 - [114] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- There was no cheating, there was no exploits, there were no hacks and there are no lies. If you can't handle the fact that you just lost a titan well all i can do is quote Molle." Don't fly what you can't afford to lose"
Alberta Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 - [115] Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? You missed the bit about how it happened after he had warped himself to a nice 80AU deep safespot. I can't help but wonder exactly what it was he was planning to do there assuming his PC hadn't randomly rebooted on him...
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:18:00 - [116] That is harsh. That is even worse then the freighter I lost to concord
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:19:00 - [117] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 12/12/2006 23:53:09 what ever [CLS] Bawldeux IV- start posting all kinds of crap about BoB members, insulting their families,friends,anything that will **** them off.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:22:00 - [118] Wow, heh. Wow.
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:23:00 - [119] Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system?
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:25:00 - [120] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? LOL conspiracy theory 4tw. I think BoB killed kennedy too.

Reite Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:25:00 - [121] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system?
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:26:00 - [122] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". CYVOK, your post is VERY immature when I analyse it to every detail. Maybe you are just ed off that you lost the titan, but Molle never stated that you logged off. He stated that there were 3 possibilities, 1 being the one that you logged off, and he wasn't sure this was the case or not. Secondly, why use words like Bull-S*? SirMolle never in any situation writes any swear words in the forum, and you as an alliance leader swears a lot in forum. (and in your 'audio blog') Thirdly, "A kill is a kill is a kill", as someone posted in this thread before me. ASCN's titan blew up no matter how it happened. Be it by computer failure, during battle, game bug, or whatever. But BoB has won their moral war while ASCN has lost theirs, in this battle over titans. 2 Titans symbolizing each alliance. (well, 3 avatar but LV isn't fighting in the south so :P ) Each titan waging battles after battles. One goes down. One symbol lost. Out of two, only one symbol remains. One party celebrates the kill, while the other party mourns the destruction. But this mourning party's leader comes then writes to descredit the kill. What's in your mind, CYVOK? Why do you have to go to such low standard and try discredit an enemy victory even when your alliance members are accepting the fact that BoB achieved a decisive victory? I fill pity for you, as you just lost your mind and had to post a flaming thread trying to give excuses and discredit your enemy while other members of ASCN are gradually accepting things. HAve you finally flipped? Whatever reasons for the loss of a titan, congratulations to BoB for the kill. And to ASCN, I hope you overcome your loss and enjoy the game. ps. yeah I heard that ASCN HC put me in their black list some time before, but i can't care more or less. You can throw stones at me, but it won't stop me from playing this game. ------------------------------
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:26:00 - [123] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/12/2006 23:29:23 Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan. My cyno didn't work or I would have been on the km too Cyvok: funny, how come you told peeps on your ts that you were just off to change pc's if your pc was already down? Yeah dude, keep on spinning, you ain't getting it back. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Poizonous Lizard Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:27:00 - [124] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Interesting reply. Quoting though as I can.
evistin Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:27:00 - [125] I generally stay out of Alliance level stuff, but I have to say today BOB is being civil. Grats they won a great victory, and made history again. Cyvok's power failure = no reimburstment, since its not the fault of CCP or their systems. I am sorry for our loss, but till we hear your side of the story, BOB's View is the right view. At this point, ASCN needs to reconsider its military position. ----------- Management and Leadership
EL TITAN Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:27:00 - [126] o_o _________________________________________________ <3 hi
Slender Brenda Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:27:00 - [127] Edited by: Slender Brenda on 12/12/2006 23:28:36 EDIT: dbp summed dread stuff. Oh poor raven. I bet ascn is crying that they actually killed me ---------- Cyvok DD-ed my raven... and ASCN is crying now.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:28:00 - [128] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? WAIT! its all starting to make sense, Dreads in system, Molle having to leave system... Cyvok crashing.... coincidence or the work of a deadly ninja disguised as a carpet in Cyvoks gaming room. Dig a little deeper, we know bob have used spys, maybe they have used invisible ninjas too! As Cyvoks aggro timer ran down, the invisible ninja indisguise whipped out his pointy stick and hit the reset button! Open and shut case i tell you! DRINK! ---
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:28:00 - [129] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan. My cyno didn't work or I would have been on the km too dbp Sorry DBP i was in local when these came in, and the had been sitting at your POS for a while.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:29:00 - [130] Originally by: Alberta Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? You missed the bit about how it happened after he had warped himself to a nice 80AU deep safespot. I can't help but wonder exactly what it was he was planning to do there assuming his PC hadn't randomly rebooted on him... ... and that it happened 2 minutes prior to his agression running out ... another coincidence im sure ! LoL Cryvok, you just ... im speechless im laughing so hard. The war isnt over yet so maybe you should stand up and show your members that your a fearless leader insted of this cowering little Emobear that you just showed the rest of EvE.

DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:30:00 - [131] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/12/2006 23:32:36 Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan. My cyno didn't work or I would have been on the km too dbp Sorry DBP i was in local when these came in, and the had been sitting at your POS for a while. What you mean like I was sitting in a pos in PNQ in a barge Even IF there were 1 or 2 dreads there tops, yes, we may have had dreads in system to kill your dreads when they seiged and had the rest sitting waiting to be cyno'd in from c9n. Along with our carriers. And our moship. And our Titan. So what's your point? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:32:00 - [132] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: Drake Mezcal Why did BOB have dreads prepped in the system? Its not like you were going to attack any POS's. Also you have never ever used dreads to attack another dread fleet, i mean why would u need to risk them when your HAC and BS fleets have done so well in the past. So really, i wonder what was reasoning behind bringing them dreads in the system? They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan. My cyno didn't work or I would have been on the km too dbp Sorry DBP i was in local when these came in, and the had been sitting at your POS for a while. You were attacking out POS there earlier, dreads were moved in to defend it. Get a kloo
Abriana Overlord Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:33:00 - [133] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Just lol at you, I guess Kali was not so much of a saviour after all Bottom line Cyvok, you screwed up, Just admit it and you are likely to get less flack on the forums. Going Emo only proves that you are continuing to loose your grip. Your members are beginning to see through you and see you for what you are. Will be interesting to see how much longer you are tolerated. You talk about hacks, underhanded tactics, and everything else instead of looking at your alliance's own short comings. This is called deferance. Now good leaders look at the cause of things and try to fix them. All I see you doing is blaming others I know you wanted this fight with BoB for ages, I know you where ed that pilots who where anygood at PVP where leaving ASCN and joining BoB ages befire this conflict came up. You got what you wanted a good war on your doorstep with those you where **ed with. Look at your own alliance and fix the problems with that instead of looking to blame BoB for your own shortcomings
KIAEddZ Caldari KIA Corp	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:34:00 - [134] Nice account Molle. Couldnt be assed to read past page 2. But KIA have always been under the impression that aggro timer doubled in 0.0 Its 30 mins... so we were informed. KIA EVE Home
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:35:00 - [135] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Sorry DBP i was in local when these came in, and the had been sitting at your POS for a while. How many POS do BoB have in the C9N / AZN vicinity? 2 ish? How many available dreads does BoB have? 50 ish ? What are the chances of having 2 dreads sitting in either of the 2 frontline POS? ... ?
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:35:00 - [136] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:37:04 I arrived in the system at [ 2006.12.11 17:13:49 ], Your Dreads were jumped in just after i came into the system, Maybe 17:20. If the dreads came to engage the titan, how did you know to bring them in an hour early? And to all these comments about your dreads being there to engage our dreads....you have never done this before,,,,and never needed to. You have sucseeded with HAC and Battleship gangs. Considering you had a 40man BS gang in the next system. So why this one time did you decide to use dreads?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:37:00 - [137] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/12/2006 23:39:21 Originally by: Drake Mezcal I arrived in the system at [ 2006.12.11 17:13:49 ], Your Dreads were jumped in just after i came into the system, Maybe 17:20. If the dreads came to engage the titan, how did you know to bring them in an hour early? And to all these comments about your dreads being there to engage our dreads....you have never done this before,,,,and never needed to. You have sucseeded with HAC and Battleship gangs. Considering you had a 40man BS gang in the next system. So why this one time did you decide to use dreads? We brought them in to kill your fleet :\| I'm not sure how that is difficult to understand :\| Unlike ASCN's championship team, we change our rules of engagement to suit the needs of the fleet. But hey, if you wanna think mad conspiracy theories and want to accuse us of OOG hacking Cyvok then please go ahead and say it and be laughed out of this forum and game. This is why you fail. You can't accept your losses and look for ridiculous excuses. But then I guess that's the tone CYVOK and McCREEDY have set from the start of this war for you with their internal propoganda to stop you being able to actually see what is going on. It's hilarious and one day you'll realise that, oh, we were being lied too :< dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:38:00 - [138] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- I really have NO IDEA how you became leader of ASCN with such a low charisma. Every post by you is whining or overly agressive or plain denial of fact. That being said i think while BoB are generally being***y usually and also spin things a bit sometimes (they would spin even more if they had more reason to i am 100% sure) Molle's post was very civil and well written. And pretty much accurate from what i can tell by comparing what YOUR MEMBERS and BoB said here on the forums and in game. You really are a bitter dude and to be honest i would have loved ASCN to stand up and manage to fight off BoB but the more i think about it i would really love to see either you and your alliance being kicked out of 0.0 now or you loosing leadership of ASCN. I really can't believe that they did not get rid you of already. -------------- My dad can beat up your dad! Support lowsec!
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:39:00 - [139] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:39:52 Did i say anything about OOG hacking? I dont think i did.
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KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:39:00 - [141] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- OK Then CYVOK, What really Happened? We have to 'lie, cheat, and steal' our way through the war, how exactly did we 'lie, cheat, and steal' your Titan Kill? Let's say your computer really did crash. Sucks, but it's not CCP's fault. I've lost several ships myself cause my net went out while in battle, and I got scanned down and capped. It sucks, it really does.. but it's also the rules CCP puts into effect. They are not responsible for things not related to their server directly screwing up. For whatever reason, you left game while you still had agrro. I don't think ANYONE can dispute that fact. Your timer reset, exactly the way the rules say it will. When you left game your cloak turned off, which modules do, and you got scanned down. Once we found you, we warped everything we had to you, and killed you. There's no lying, cheating, or stealing about it. If you logged off and didn't remember your aggro, then you're a complete tool for not understanding mechanics. If you crashed with aggro, well, it sucks, but it's still part of the risk of gameplay. Irregardless, blaming us for YOU (Yes, you...) making a mistake, or having a bum computer, or having a power failure, or whatever excuse you're gonna go with is absolutely rediculous. On the topic of 'A Bunch of Carebears' YOU CYVOK, and You ALONE made the decision to turn ASCN into a bunch of carebears. You wanted your 'grand alliance' to be what it is now, you made the choice to become what you are. You know exactly what I'm talking about too. You chose to turn the Ascendant Frontier into a paper tiger through the choices you made, and the rest of the alliance followed you. You're reapin' what you sowed dude. What happened to you man? Seriously, you used to actually stand up for your decisions and take things like a man. You've done nothing but blame other people for all the failings of ASCN for (funny the timing) roughly the past year. I used to believe all the crap you talked on 'G' for using the 'Hacked Towers' or 'G' for having GM's on their payroll and putting AZN POS's into reinforced permanantly. How about all the stories about RA constantly hacking your plexes from you? Where's the hacked clients you claimed you had proof of that AAA used against you in E3? I can't believe I was actually dumb enough to believe some of the crap you used to spew. Only when you started to talk on me and my alliance mates, claiming we 'moved fleets' and 'hacked teamspeaks and forums.' Stating we were making 'real life threats and getting banned' but never offering any proof. Puh-Leez... I've got lists miles long of the stories you've told me to explain your failings as an alliance. And it's a shame, cause there still are so many good people in ASCN I was proud to once call my friends, but will probably never talk to me again, cause they think I'm a hacker, cheater, liar, GM, Dev, ISD, Santa Claus, Jesus, Brahma, or whatever omniptotent being you claim BoB members happen to be today.. I'm just a guy from Kansas who likes to play Eve. I'm not special, I just work hard and play hard. Every other member in BoB is pretty much the same as me. We're just people.. We're just people who happen to be better than you. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre**
Calderio Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:40:00 - [142] its gonna be good to hear the radio show on saturday. The post by post action of this thread was covered by a bob radio DJ. rwar sig Listen to me on bob radio 00:00 eve time every friday and saturday http://stream1.bobonair.com:8000/listen-broadband.aac.m3u or go to www.bobonair.com
Skilo Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:40:00 - [143] Edited by: Skilo on 12/12/2006 23:47:17 Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- What i understood after the installation of the Whining translator ..... Molle, the fights you and your uber pilots come up to justify your kills never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my BoB computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game atitudes clearly show my arrogance of 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in because my BoB computer didn't let me. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place but it was all my fault, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by my Avatar, canÆt beat a bunch of uber pilots on the field of battle so you have to teach me a lesson, kill and loot your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy my empty Titan. -LOOSER OK-**
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:40:00 - [144] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/12/2006 23:43:25 Originally by: Drake Mezcal Did i say anything about OOC hacking? I dont think i did. Then wtf are you going on about our dreads for then? What difference does it make if they were in system or not? This must be the point where you think "aaaahh, dbp brought it up first, i wasn't leading your honour". dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Imode Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:40:00 - [145] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:37:04 I arrived in the system at [ 2006.12.11 17:13:49 ], Your Dreads were jumped in just after i came into the system, Maybe 17:20. If the dreads came to engage the titan, how did you know to bring them in an hour early? And to all these comments about your dreads being there to engage our dreads....you have never done this before,,,,and never needed to. You have sucseeded with HAC and Battleship gangs. Considering you had a 40man BS gang in the next system. So why this one time did you decide to use dreads? Because Oveur told Molle where Cyvok was. Tomb added the IP access-list statement on the firewalls to drop Cyvok's connection and LeMonde scrambled the Titan after emergency warp with his Arazu w/ domination warp disruptor. You can't see him on the mail because there's too many people who outdamaged him. Tuxford also added the 400% Capital HP bonus to cover their tracks so they can say, "we added, the HP just for occasions like this, guess it wasn't enough." Is that what you wanted to hear? ____________________________ my sig
Tricit Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:40:00 - [146] I think I speak for a few other thousand people when I say, I'm watching AZN every day now... (instead of every other day)... :P
Slender Brenda Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:42:00 - [147] @ Drake Mezcal: Dreads from 0oy- came together with mothership, few carriers and titan. You must have noticed it. Why? 1. Because we had pos to save/recharge 2. had to haul all stuff from 0oy we bought with nice discout. ---------- Cyvok DD-ed my raven... and ASCN is crying now.
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:43:00 - [148] Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:44:55 Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. You say they were there to haul stuff They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:45:00 - [149] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/12/2006 23:46:05 SIGH We had more dreads in H8- ready to come in. I didn't even know we had 1/2 whateevr there. As slender brenda has now informed you, they came up from 0oyz with the titan and moship. SO, wtf are you going on about dreads being there 1 hour before if you are not trying to accuse us of some crap? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Slender Brenda Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:46:00 - [150] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You all say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there. Learn to count. What do you think i was doing in ****ty raven in place where was fleet figths? ---------- Cyvok DD-ed my raven... and ASCN is crying now.

Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:46:00 - [151] Whats with the aggression, i was only trying ot get a striaght answer, jesus bite my head off why dont ya
Elisca Black Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:47:00 - [152] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:44:55 Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. You say they were there to haul stuff They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there. I think it is pretty obvious they were there to kill a titan in the event we got the opportunity.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:47:00 - [153] Edited by: Rift Scorn on 12/12/2006 23:48:45 Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:44:55 Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. You say they were there to haul stuff They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:49:00 - [154] Originally by: Elisca Black Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:44:55 Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. You say they were there to haul stuff They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there. I think it is pretty obvious they were there to kill a titan in the event we got the opportunity. See thats all i wanted, heh, funny how the first time u have your dreads prepped in the system to catch the Titan,,,,you actually Catch the Titan, ah well....sods law.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:51:00 - [155] Originally by: Drake Mezcal See thats all i wanted, heh, funny how the first time u have your dreads prepped in the system to catch the Titan,,,,you actually Catch the Titan, ah well....sods law. Where do you think we leave our dreads during times of war? Docked in empire?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:51:00 - [156] Look up sarcasm in the dictionary drake. You'll find elisca's post at the top of the description. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:52:00 - [157] Originally by: DB Preacher Look up sarcasm in the dictionary drake. You'll find elisca's post at the top of the description. dbp I dont giv a hoot, just trying to become well known
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:52:00 - [158] Edited by: Dekiri on 12/12/2006 23:57:29 Edited by: Dekiri on 12/12/2006 23:52:29 I think that CYVOK will discover a virus on his computer in a few days sent to him by BoB via the eve client by abusing their dev chars and making his computer crash 13 minutes after the agression timer is done (alternativly they have extended the timer with their dev chars depending on flavor). Then they blocked you from the Eve server so you could not log back in. How about this? I like this plot and it isn't that unlikely is it? edit: bleh Imode beat me to it =P --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Mtthias Clemi Gallente Motorists R Us	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:54:00 - [159] STEVEY! NO! CYVOK!!! I CRY FOR THEE!!!!!.... if only i was there... then none of this would have ever happened.... ok ok that was harsh, i dont hate mods.. as an apology the mod who shows the most wuv gets a free mercedes...
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:58:00 - [160] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- There is only one real answer to this tbh. And I'll refer to your alliance diplomat for it: Originally by:** SamuraiJack Screeny or STFU. K Thx SJ. ASCN HC Community Manager ASCN Diplomat CLS Director dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto

Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.12 23:58:00 - [161] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- I'm guessing your petition was denied. Originally by:** Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Eternal Rangers of Terror	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:05:00 - [162] Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested?
Drake Mezcal eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:08:00 - [163] Id like to see the change in excuses.. First DBP "They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan." Second DBP "Even IF there were 1 or 2 dreads there tops, yes, we may have had dreads in system to kill your dreads when they seiged and had the rest sitting waiting to be cyno'd in from c9n" Third Slenda Brenda "1. Because we had pos to save/recharge 2. had to haul all stuff from 0oy we bought with nice discout. " Anyway, im going to bed, Ive noticed ya been crazily editing all your posts, and Brenda has deleted one of hers and i cant be arsed to track down what has been changed. Night Folks
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:08:00 - [164] Originally by: HankMurphy Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested? hope it doesn't get spammed with 'I was here' containers ------------------------------
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:09:00 - [165] Originally by: IntegralHellsing Originally by: HankMurphy Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested? hope it doesn't get spammed with 'I was here' containers awsome idea! undocks --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Mad'Mike Banks Godspeed You Black Emperor	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:10:00 - [166] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- here comes the spin
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:12:00 - [167] Originally by: HankMurphy Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested? No, it was salvaged. It is unsure wether it will become a permanent fixture in space, there were words on eve-tv during the tourney that they would, but then.. Oveur had a HUGE bottle of JW in front of him and they ran out of wine... :P _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Trinity Faetal Gallente Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:12:00 - [168] is cyvok really saying that bob used ninjas to push the reset button on his pc -- join channel Dope Dealerz if you wanna sell or can supply drugs on a regular basis.
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:13:00 - [169] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Id like to see the change in excuses.. First DBP "They were in h8- and were cyno'd in to kill the titan." Second DBP "Even IF there were 1 or 2 dreads there tops, yes, we may have had dreads in system to kill your dreads when they seiged and had the rest sitting waiting to be cyno'd in from c9n" Third Slenda Brenda "1. Because we had pos to save/recharge 2. had to haul all stuff from 0oy we bought with nice discout. " Anyway, im going to bed, Ive noticed ya been crazily editing all your posts, and Brenda has deleted one of hers and i cant be arsed to track down what has been changed. Night Folks I'm sorry, what does it change where our dreads were really. Its not like we could affect CYVOK's client anyway is it? No matter if the dreads were in h8- 0oy or c9n it was just chance that they were nearby. Actually chance it wouldnt be, since most of our dreads are on the frontline when we are fighting. So what are you trying to prove by getting us to admit that our dreads were in system?
JoeyDee Minmatar Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:15:00 - [170] I have to say..if your PC shuts down then The logs should stop writing to the hard drive..No? So how could any thing be proved by the logs I sorry I don`t see how BOB is wrong here? Anything BOB has done..if we in ASCN could have done the same ..would we have? Whe ya go to battle before your fight the demons on the outside ,get rid of the demons on the inside first. Joeydee

CrewSandwich Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:16:00 - [171] Why is there even a discussion about dreads? This thread is about CYVOK getting pwned in the FACE, while logoffsking in his TITAN. LOL LOL LOL
Ephemeral Waves The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:19:00 - [172] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Wow. Would you like a soother? Eph.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:21:00 - [173] Originally by: CrewSandwich Why is there even a discussion about dreads? This thread is about CYVOK getting pwned in the FACE, while logoffsking in his TITAN. LOL LOL LOL This drake guy is trying to do the same what cyvok tried before in here, improve ASCN's reputation at the expense of BoB's. However just like cyvok's attempt failed miserably, being the only one in this thread to flame and accuse without proof, this Drake is doing it in a pale way over, implying certain things without backing or even logical thinking.
Lady Vlad Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:22:00 - [174] Edited by: Lady Vlad on 13/12/2006 00:44:02
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:24:00 - [175] Edited by: swordslasher on 13/12/2006 00:28:12 Originally by: Lady Vlad Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- So how do you explain it being in space if your timer had worn off 2 minutes prior? BoB hack? /me hands Cryvok T2 tissue and a clue A rare capital ship bug, need proof? go ask SMASH, Stain Empire killed a SMASH dreadnought in Z-7 back early in the year, I personally saw said dread sit there for 20 minutes, then log inside the shields, warp off, and not disappear. end result? reimbursed dread. ASCN: First to bear a titan. ASCN: First to lose a titan (to a bug, no less). ASCN: first to get a titan reimbursed. Bob's accomplishments? forum whoring. Enjoy, if that's all you've got. Oh, and a few more things for the tin hat factory: You do not get re-aggro when you are logged. If titan logs at 5:45 with 15 minute timer, and you show up at 5:57 - titan will disappear at 6:00 - PERIOD. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME. I've scrambled pods for 15 minutes solid and they ALWAYS DISAPPEAR EVERY TIME AFTER THE TIMER IS UP. There's no such thing as 'extending aggro timer for someone who is logged off'. Titan died to a bug, and while that's a victory, that's like killing an empty battleship, whoo hoo. you killed an empty titan, GO YOU. GO BOYS. GO YOU. HARDCORE. KILLED AN EMPTY TITAN. OH YEAH. OH YEAH. SUCK IT. HARD CORE. YEAH BOYS. YOU KILLED AN EMPTY TITAN! GO YOU! HARD CORE! YEAH BABY! HARD CORE! GO YOU! Originally by:** LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Alexison Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:27:00 - [176] Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Lady Vlad Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- So how do you explain it being in space if your timer had worn off 2 minutes prior? BoB hack? /me hands Cryvok T2 tissue and a clue A rare capital ship bug, need proof? go ask SMASH, Stain Empire killed a SMASH dreadnought in Z-7 back early in the year, I personally saw said dread sit there for 20 minutes, then log inside the shields, warp off, and not disappear. end result? reimbursed dread. ASCN: First to bear a titan. ASCN: First to lose a titan (to a bug, no less). ASCN: first to get a titan reimbursed. Bob's accomplishments? forum whoring. Enjoy, if that's all you've got. PROOF OR STFU!
Tricit Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:29:00 - [177] Originally by: CrewSandwich Why is there even a discussion about dreads? This thread is about CYVOK getting pwned in the FACE, while logoffsking in his TITAN. LOL LOL LOL LOLOLOLOL Logoffski!11
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:30:00 - [178] Originally by: Alexison Originally by: swordslasher Originally by: Lady Vlad Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- So how do you explain it being in space if your timer had worn off 2 minutes prior? BoB hack? /me hands Cryvok T2 tissue and a clue A rare capital ship bug, need proof? go ask SMASH, Stain Empire killed a SMASH dreadnought in Z-7 back early in the year, I personally saw said dread sit there for 20 minutes, then log inside the shields, warp off, and not disappear. end result? reimbursed dread. ASCN: First to bear a titan. ASCN: First to lose a titan (to a bug, no less). ASCN: first to get a titan reimbursed. Bob's accomplishments? forum whoring. Enjoy, if that's all you've got. PROOF OR STFU! I can't remember the pilots name, it's been a year since I've flown beside him, go suck on your proof or STFU, you know it's true, go talk to smash, he was a higher up and I'm SURE he'll confirm it if he's still around. Originally by:** LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:30:00 - [179] Edited by: Lone Bear on 13/12/2006 00:36:29 Did I ever talked to you about how Tic and Tac (my beavers) ate my PC power suply line and costed me a Bantam? I swear I thought it was a devil hax of doom from ninja guristas till I noticed my poor lil fellas and the smell Edit: No real beaver been hurted in the process, I resurrected them by petitionning my Electricity supplier.
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:32:00 - [180] sword - pic or stfu on the titan! End of story!

swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:33:00 - [181] Edited by: swordslasher on 13/12/2006 00:33:45 Originally by: OzaLoni sword - pic or stfu on the titan! End of story! Que? emperor was his name, Ceo of ROME. great guy. Go talk to him. Originally by: LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:33:00 - [182] Edited by: Shirei on 13/12/2006 00:33:57 Originally by: swordslasher You do not get re-aggro when you are logged. If titan logs at 5:45 with 15 minute timer, and you show up at 5:57 - titan will disappear at 6:00 - PERIOD. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME. I've scrambled pods for 15 minutes solid and they ALWAYS DISAPPEAR EVERY TIME AFTER THE TIMER IS UP. There's no such thing as 'extending aggro timer for someone who is logged off'. That is 100% correct. However, CYVOK's titan was blown up less than 10 minutes after he logged according to all evidence (videos, killmails, etc.) that have been around.
OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:35:00 - [183] It got reimbursed? proof or stfu? Last I heard was ccp said its dead and staying dead.
Tricit Caldari Dark Entropy iPOD Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:35:00 - [184] Originally by: Lone Bear Did I ever talked to you about how Tic and Tac (my beavers) ate my PC power suply line and costed me a Bantam? I swear I thought it was a devil hax of doom from ninja guristas till I noticed my poor lil fellas and the smell Proof or stfu??? I'm sure thousands of people want proof. Let it out prz.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:37:00 - [185] Edited by: Xeliya on 13/12/2006 00:38:02 First it's you tell ASCN people your logging off. Then you say you were switching computers. Then your crashed and had a jump in queue but no one else had it. The your power went out. Now your computer just rebooted out of the blue. Which is it? Nice to see the real you shine, just lost all respect for you on your post. I think my 4 year old Nephew couldn't act more childish even if he was bribed. ASCN stand up, kick Steve and John out and take over, leaders can only lead people who want them to lead! Any of you could do better then them. ----------
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:38:00 - [186] as for OP good write-up but i believe it should be delivered in song not enough umphh

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:39:00 - [187] Please play nice guys, I really don't want this thread to be locked like the last one. Please avoid flaming/trolling and any off topic discussion. forum rules \| [email protected]

OzaLoni Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:41:00 - [188] Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Please play nice guys, I really don't want this thread to be locked like the last one. Please avoid flaming/trolling and any off topic discussion. Completed agree dude, but at the end of the day there is just one question. Has/or will it get reimbursed? Nothing else apart from forums rules are important right now!
swordslasher Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:41:00 - [189] Originally by: Shirei Edited by: Shirei on 13/12/2006 00:33:57 Originally by: swordslasher You do not get re-aggro when you are logged. If titan logs at 5:45 with 15 minute timer, and you show up at 5:57 - titan will disappear at 6:00 - PERIOD. ALWAYS. EVERY TIME. I've scrambled pods for 15 minutes solid and they ALWAYS DISAPPEAR EVERY TIME AFTER THE TIMER IS UP. There's no such thing as 'extending aggro timer for someone who is logged off'. That is 100% correct. However, CYVOK's titan was blown up less than 10 minutes after he logged according to all evidence (videos, killmails, etc.) that have been around. so you're saying he logged out less than 10 minutes after he lit off the DD like an idiot? Right. here's the word from the horses mouth: Quote: The covert ops pilot had been keeping track of when the DD was fired, and discovered that CYVOK had logged with two minutes to spare on his aggro timer. Two minutes to spare? 15-2 = 13 Quote: The entire fleet was warped in, dreadnaughts, carriers, and motherships included. After the dreads had entered into siege, the ship took approximately 4-6 minutes to kill. 13+4 = 17 (3 minutes over) which suggests, that by the covert ops's time (which I bet keeps better time than you), and the way BOB says it themselves, the titan ran 3 minutes over aggro timer even assuming he logged with an agg timer at all - or in this case, crashed, whatever. Tell me though, via video, and killmail, how exactly do you read his gamelogs? I'd like to know that one myself. Originally by: LeMoose RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:45:00 - [190] Edited by: Shirei on 13/12/2006 00:45:21 Quote: Originally by: swordslasher That is 100% correct. However, CYVOK's titan was blown up less than 10 minutes after he logged according to all evidence (videos, killmails, etc.) that have been around. so you're saying he logged out less than 10 minutes after he lit off the DD like an idiot? Right. Now try reading again, I said 10 minutes after he logged out. The way the PvP timer works is 'if you log within 15 minutes after aggroing someone or being aggroed, your ship takes 15 minutes to disappear, otherwise your ship takes 1 minute to disappear'. So if you log within 15 minutes of aggroing, your ship will stay another 15 minutes at a spot 1m km from where you logged off. If you log after 15 minutes, your ship will stay for 1 minute.

Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:46:00 - [191] Originally by: swordslasher RTFM He logged within the 15 minutes after his last aggression. That initiated the 2nd agression timer of 15 minutes on the titan, and cancelling the first timer The killing of the titan initiated the 3rd agression timer on the pod, making it stay in space for a total lenght of 15 minutes.

Karl Chroimcer Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:47:00 - [192] Originally by: OzaLoni Originally by: Karl Chroimcer Please play nice guys, I really don't want this thread to be locked like the last one. Please avoid flaming/trolling and any off topic discussion. Completed agree dude, but at the end of the day there is just one question. Has/or will it get reimbursed? Nothing else apart from forums rules are important right now! I cant answer that, GMs will decide if it shall be reimbursed or not and the answer is confidential between the petitioner and the GM. forum rules \| [email protected]

Capt Rob Minmatar Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:49:00 - [193] This is an interesting read and gj bob, but i must say that if the new probes etc can be so accurate and in such short time, maby a bit overpowered? Signature removed due to inappropriate content. -Ivan K
IntegralHellsing Gallente The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:49:00 - [194] if you log before your timer runs out, your ship stays for another 15 minutes. (i know this because i was trying to kill a freighter pilot in low sec. he was aggressed at gate, then he logged. from that point, it took him 15 minutes to disappear. shame i forgot about timer though ) so if CYVOK logged within 15 minutes of aggro time, (that means, his aggro hasn't run out) he stays at wherever he is for 15 more minutes. but as BoB scanned down the titan and destroyed it before 15 minutes was up, i don't think it would get reimbursed. ------------------------------
Lone Bear Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:51:00 - [195] Edited by: Lone Bear on 13/12/2006 00:53:41 deleted , no image allowed
Farjung Gallente TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:54:00 - [196] Swordslasher, how do you know there was a bug involved here? I'm well aware of this bug, which is why I personally check that TAOSP's capital ships disappear from space after they've logged off, but there's no reason to assume it occured here. Did you have CYVOK in your addressbook and take note of when he logged off? Are you 100% certain that he waited out his log-off timer before logging? So far the only person who has said that is him, but wouldn't you be trying to cover your ass after just getting however many months-worth of your alliance's hard work blown up due to your own negligence? This bug has occured before, and it has been petitioned, and when it's a genuine case the GMs will return it. But it's well-publicised that CYVOK has petitioned the loss, and from the tone of his response in this thread, one would assume his petition was unsuccessful. He's already left a couple of holes in his story; first there's the sleazy innuendo that his PC was somehow interfered with ("my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before.") Then he goes on to claim that his logs clearly show this that and the other. As various people have pointed out, including someone in his own alliance, but I do believe it bears repeating; if your client crashes, or PC restarts, or router drops, or ISP has a melt down, or are in any way disconnected from the server apart from closing the client properly, the logs from your current session aren't saved. Very easy to verify for yourself if you think I'm just spinning propaganda. So, first claiming his PC restarted by itself, and then claiming his logs show exactly what happened up until the instant he got disconnected, we have inconsistency #1. #2 - if BoB really had hacked him or sent their ninjas around with wire-cutters, as CYVOK seems to be implying, why would they wait until the purported two minutes after his aggro timer was up to pull the plug on him? It doesn't make any sense - if we were really using OOG (and obviously incredibly illegal) methods, we'd have done it while we were certain he was under PvP timer, not wait until two minutes afterwards. So, another contradiction from a man looking to blame everyone but himself, it appears. --- Wave of Mutilation 2
Deathwing Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:56:00 - [197] Edited by: Deathwing on 13/12/2006 01:01:26 Cyvok This is just another example of why you will not win this war with us in the end. You do not have the strength, experience or the resolve to do what it takes to win a war, especially against BoB. Crying about exploits, hax, computer problems, GMÆs and DevÆs do not win wars. We win wars. Plain and simple. Not only has BoB been waging wars all over Eve since long before you were even conjured out of something from the septic tank, but the individual corporations that make up BoB were waging wars long before the concept of BoB was formed. The history these corps have in Eve spawns from the earliest days of Eve. A lot of us were also Alpha/Beta testers of Eve. You have said that ôNo one has ever faced BoB for this long and been still aliveö or whatever it is you say, actually you are wrong. BoB has been involved in several wars that lasted a long long time. The GNW was epic in size an length. But BoB prevailed in the end because we have resolve. You want to know how we win wars? Its pretty simple really. It is because we will not go away, we will not quit, we will not tire and we will not stop stomping you all over the face of Eve until we say you are done. We will crush you and your alliance in space. We will humiliate you in front of the rest of the Eve community for the failures that you are, though you are doing a grand enough job of that already I might point out. And when we are done all of this, we will do it again, until you cry mercy and beg for it to stop. We have taken one region for you so far. We have captured one of your stations in Feyth that will now act as a foothold into the region. We have taken your symbol of pride and strength for your alliance and returned it to the junk pile it was constructed from. Soon Feyth will fall and you will be left with nothing. You better hope Sir MolleàyesàItÆs Sir Molle to you, has the slightest shred of compassion for you. If you are lucky, he may entertain ideas of letting corps in ASCN defect from the region and letting them safely remove their assets. Face it, BoB is the pinnical of force and power in Eve. We are 3 time Alliance Tournament Champions. We have humiliated anyone we have decided to bless with our attention, be it on the battle field, the forumsàor local chan. Your probably wondering ôWhats next? What more can BoB possibly do to us that they havenÆt already done. TheyÆve taken a region, they have taken outposts, and now they have destroyed our Titanö ItÆs simple Cyvokà..moreàWe are going to keep on comingàcoming until all the time..all the iskàall the effort you guys put into building a viable 0.0 home for yourselvesàis crushedàand just another acquisition of BoB. Id find a solution to your problems soon. The longer you wait, the less likely Sir Molle is going to entertain your ideas of leaving our spaceàyesàour space, with all of your assets. Myself and the rest of BoB as usual, look forward to seeing you in space Cyvok. Bring your imparior, we will take that to. <Stavros> A MAN DRESSED AS SPIDERMAN KICKED MY ASS
Elliot Reid Digital Fury Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:58:00 - [198] I know this is against the EULA of EVE but I'd bet everything I own that others in ASCN would know CYVOK's login details in case of an emergency such as, say, an accidental log off in an agro'd Titan (I'm sure this'll be denied) of course ). Now say I was high up in ASCN's command structure and our one and only Titan Pilot in his Titan, whilst still under the aggression timer, disconnected from the game AND TS (or whatever voice comms are used) and didn't come back onto voice in a matter of seconds, I think I'd get someone who'd know the account details to log it on asap and do whats needed to keep it safe. I'm sure the owner of the account would be very grateful. What do I know though? I'm just a nobody. _______________________________
KSUDruid Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 00:59:00 - [199] CYVOK Logged 13 minutes after he last agressed something. This is not contested. This timeframe is proven over and over. By doing this, he reset his agrro timer to 15 minutes from the time he logged. This is not contested. It is a well documented feature of the PVP agro timer. Valora Scanned him down, found his ship, called in the fleet, and subsequently destroyed him. This is not contested. Logging with Agro, getting scanned down, and subsequently destroyed is something ASCN do time and time again. They do it with frigates, cruisers, battleships, a carrier (one time I believe) and now their titan. All of this is within game mechanics. The timelines were established, the timelines have been proven. The Kill was Valid, and the kill will stand. No matter what you WANT to believe or want to claim, the numbers don't lie. I'll say it again, in bold to make sure you understand: The Numbers Don't Lie. The kill is legit. Cause he wasn't online a bit hollow perhaps... but 100% legit. Thanks for playing. -Druid Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre
Kane Ululani REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:03:00 - [200] Originally by: HankMurphy Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested? Real question, can matari board it?

John Leitch Gallente Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:27:00 - [201] Edited by: John Leitch on 13/12/2006 01:27:52 I forsee the image below, appearing on a lot of signatures over the next few days!!
Red Six Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:28:00 - [202] Originally by: Kane Ululani Originally by: HankMurphy Is the wreck still there? Is it permanent fixture i can take a corp field trip to, like devs suggested? Real question, can matari board it? I've already placed my duct tape order to fix this baby up. Imagine how many 1400 II's I can weld to that much scrap metal! Originally by: Eridu Fallen Upon closer inspection, that Caldari BS doesn't even look like it got hit with the ugly stick, it looks like it is the ugly stick.
Nadine Desaix Minmatar Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:34:00 - [203] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- You sir, are pathetic. How about you just admit that you've lost it through your own stupidity for once? You've lost almost every engagement, lost 52 capital ships, and all this is through no fault of your own? This entire war you've done nothing but acuse BoB of cheating, hacking and god knows what else. Perhaps you just can't face facts. How about you go stick your childish attitude in a block of concrete and sink it in the ocean. This is not kindergarten. It makes me sad to say that my opinion of anyone in Eve has never been so low as that of you. Minister of Leaky Ethics and Spiffiness**
Oreh Anavrin No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:43:00 - [204] Hmm, I wonder if even cyvok believes what he says these days. Can't beat you on the field of battle? Are you kidding, didnt you lose a ludacris amount of battleships to BoB without killing any? I could find the topic if you like. Lame Good work BoB, you are winning the war fair and squre and all you get to hear is wah wah wah.
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:52:00 - [205] this whole story makes me feel all warm and fuzzy --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
Aramova Gallente Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 01:53:00 - [206] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh*, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Judging from the quotes from your own corp mates that you where on teamspeak throughout, I find that hard to buy. In addition, combat logs do not show when combat timers expire, they simply show when the last damage was done. Even if your combat timer wore* off 2 minutes prior to the convenient crash of your computer, you couldn't see that from the combat logs, nor does Eve give a crash event in the logs. Here is some simple math for you... Originally by: Valora Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! 18:14 - 18:28 leaves a minute to warp to you, and tag, you're it. Scan results do show in logs, in case you're wondering. I really do feel sorry for ASCN at this point. Not only are the events of "accidental" DD deployments well known, but the utter lack of care while piloting the Avatar led to the loss of months of work for the entire alliance. GG BOB, Sorry ASCN, as for Cyvok... -- Lag is kinda like CYVOK, it kills as many friendlies as hostiles...
MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:05:00 - [207] It's too bad that instead of coming up with an intelligent response that demonstrates calm and composure, Cyvok resorts to petty name calling and pointless ranting. I wonder how long it is going to take for the rest of ASCN to catch on to the Cyvok playbook and start jumping ship.... --
Marvel Master Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:06:00 - [208] Edited by: Marvel Master on 13/12/2006 02:11:09 And what do we learn from this?! Jump out your titan from the combat area and hide it far, far away. or - You need a better backbone - You need a second Computer - are not so horny onto your wife and confound 13 minutes with 15. g And the time will come, if the last four big aliances will fight with their 5-20 titans against each other. And this is good. ;-) Marvel
Hot Cocoa Minmatar United Negro College Fund	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:17:00 - [209] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- weaksauce. i feel bad for those who have fought so hard for you tbh. they deserve so much more than the empty heat you post like that after building what they have for you.
Beringe Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:22:00 - [210] Nice kill. CYVOK was a fool for fielding it without a fleet in the first place. ------------------------------------------- "Sarcasm and irony are not to be used by the uninitiated." --Daitan Beringe, honorary director in charge of bottles--

pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:33:00 - [211] Originally by: Hast I'm sorry, what does it change where our dreads were really. Its not like we could affect CYVOK's client anyway is it? That's not entirly true. I confess. It was me. I hacked cyvoks computer and/or cut off his power. I then logged on my dev account reset his aggro timer and haxed his account so he was unable to log in. I then moved the dreads into the system. Everything theyve ever accused us of, all true. It was me. Special congrats to ASCN. Thanks to an insane rant by your leader in this thread all your future random accusations you like throw around will no longer be taken seriously by anyone. Nice work Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain. -CYVOK-
FraXy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:38:00 - [212] 50 Dreads > 1 Titan 150 Carriers > 1 Titan or have a 1000 stockpiled T2 Battleship ready to get thrown into combat. "Titans aren`t meant to be cost-effective. They are a huge ****." - Oveur Meh, glad that damn thing went boom. Maybe spend the next 160 billion on reinforcing Deathstars or similar. I am not very fond of BOB in general, but very well done on taking down the Titan regardless of how it was done. This is my lazy attempt to make an uber-signature, please go away!
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:57:00 - [213] I think the fundamental problem, and I said this while I was in ASCN, is that the pilot isn't the most PVP experience one in the world. Look at the stats Sir Molle: Decent Pvper. Not special but knows the ins and outs of the game The Enslaver: Top quality pvper. Certainly knows the nuances of eve. Cyvok: Not exactly the worlds most prolific pvper and definately not aware of all the little quirks of the game. What people need to take away from this is that they need to make sure they are truly one of the experts at eve combat if they are going to be trusted with a titan. The titan should have been flown by someone like mccoolexe, tomcatt or Shme. I still really dislike BoB's arrogance but I dislike ignorance more. __ Originally by: Blacklight on BoB Just to be sure everyone is clear... We use spies. We listen to your TS. We feed you false intel. We have no qualms about it whatsoever..
Amarysse Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.13 02:59:00 - [214] Edited by: Amarysse on 13/12/2006 03:00:29 Edited by: Amarysse on 13/12/2006 02:59:42 Originally by: pershphanie Special congrats to ASCN. Thanks to an insane rant by your leader in this thread all your future random accusations you like throw around will no longer be taken seriously by anyone. On noooo, please not this!!! If anyone will stop to take them seriously then what will happen to AAA fame of been logontrapski, ebay farmers, xploiters and all other sins that ascn/axe members so like to point in any thread about AAA. And please BoB stop steal our fame of cheaters. Looking at threads about BoB/ASCN war i have feeling that one side is my own alliance :) Seriously, i think everyone start to see trust about their words about others alliances who dare to attacks their pretty shiny ships -------- In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:06:00 - [215] If they brewed a drink that was 100% bitter they would name it Cyvok. He represents ASCN in its entirety and resorts to childish namecalling and the same old haxsploits excuse. Heres a list of what everyone agrees on: 1. Cyvok fired the DD weapon. 2. Steve warped to an 80au safespot. 3. Cyvok was disconnected, we will be unable to prove as to exactly how due to conflicting reports. 4. BoB scanned for and found Steve. 5. BoB fired on Steve 6. BoB killed steve. 7. ASCN pilot warped to wreck on BoB's invite to confirm kill. What ASCN cant agree with BoB on is that Cyvok was still within the fifteen minute agro timer when he disconected. Here is a couple of quotes from the knowledgebase: REMEMBER: You must be online for the 15 - 20 minutes it takes for the aggression timer to count down. You can¦t log out, wait, then log in again. The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods. Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action. Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed. The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind. If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer. Now going to the points that everyone agrees upon: 1. Cyvok fired the DD weapon. According to the above quotes from the KNOWLEDGEBASE this started a 15 minute agression timer on Cyvok 3. Cyvok was disconnected According to the KNOWLEDGEBASE if Cyvok was still under the agression timer, this would have initiated the second part of the timer, leaving Steve as a kill target. 4. BoB scanned for and found Steve. This is evidence that Cyvok was still under the Agression timer. 5. BoB fired on Steve This would have reset/initiated the first agression timer, as that starts weather the defender fires or not. Now i would say that the above evidence shows beyond a reasonable doubt that Cyvok was still under the agression timer when he was logged. Now untill i see evidence which disproves this theory BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, this will be my take on the matter. Good job BoB, lady luck was with you that night. You shouldnt be such a sore looser Cyvok. This is my oppinion and not that of my corps or alliances.
Seran O'Car	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:08:00 - [216] Originally by: Aramova Originally by: CYVOK Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Judging from the quotes from your own corp mates that you where on teamspeak throughout, I find that hard to buy. In addition, combat logs do not show when combat timers expire, they simply show when the last damage was done. Even if your combat timer wore off 2 minutes prior to the convenient crash of your computer, you couldn't see that from the combat logs, nor does Eve give a crash event in the logs. Here is some simple math for you... Originally by: Valora Hi, the DD went off at 18:14. I got my first scan result on the Titan at 18:28 and CYVOK was offline. Not much else to it! 18:14 - 18:28 leaves a minute to warp to you, and tag, you're it. Scan results do show in logs, in case you're wondering. I really do feel sorry for ASCN at this point. Not only are the events of "accidental" DD deployments well known, but the utter lack of care while piloting the Avatar led to the loss of months of work for the entire alliance. GG BOB, Sorry ASCN, as for Cyvok... There are several things that I find lacking in this argument. 1. Is the fact that an error message whould now have been created if his pc had crashed/restarted. There is grounds to belive he could have froze up, ctded, error message been generated, then while beening frozen the restart have been initiated. He never said combat logs either. He said Game logs. Those are set according to the server clock and not the computer clock btw. The time 18:14 isn't disputed by anyone. All he whould have seen was a lag. Then a restart. So can be a justified argument. Also. Might be why the timer says 18:31 for him and 18:28 for others. As he might have ctded whitout him knowing about it for several minutes. 2. As far as I know. Aggro doesn't get restarted. I've scanned down countless ships/pods. And if it's close to 15 min I never even bother. Reason is that it will probobly despawn while I shot it. However, I've been gone from eve a long time. I've not gotten used to Rev yet. So things might have changed of late. That I don't know about. So I reserve the right to change my mind on this. 3. Persons who ever they might be. Are notoriusly bad witnesses. Timeline, details, events, etc etc are all trown up in the air as ppl have troubles remembering exactly what they have just seen/experianced. 4. Login queue, might have played an issue if BoB jumped in it's support to kill it, and ASCN scramble to protect it. I cannot say however that this was the case. It is pure guessing. 5. The sircumstances are also slightly suspicius to, one got to idmit. But again. I'm not saying that BoB forced the ctd or anything of the sort. But others whould be forgiven to think that under the current event. 6. If you where piloting the most expensive ship in the game yourself? Whould you not be a little carefull to heed your alliance mates ship? I whould atleast. I personally whould never be as unproffessional to let myself be put in that situation. I whould never log it off while it where even remotely close to having an aggro timer on it. I whould leave it afk/cloaked at pos/safe, etc etc. Cyvok isn't that stupid mate. You don't survive in 0.0 and being a successfull mining hobbit in 0.0 for years if you didn't know how to keep yourself safe. Aggro is something that is so fundamental to deep that I very much doubt an experianced hobbit whould just "forget" about it. However. They are hobbits. So I whouldn't put it past him. All in all. This is all very ambigius. So I resever judgement. But I'm very inclined to belive something out of the ordinary happend here. However. Codus to the prober. Well done at anyrate. But I fear this one will be remembered as a questionable kill. Even if it was not. There are suffisient grounds to say it is just that. Seran
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:13:00 - [217] Yeah, well the end result was achieved. Titan dead. Cyvok stepping down. Let someone else try the hand of leading the hobbitses. _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:19:00 - [218] Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/12/2006 03:28:17 edited.. due to news item.. concerning Cyvok.. i.e unnecessary post.
Wulfgard Minmatar The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 03:47:00 - [219] Originally by: Deathwing Edited by: Deathwing on 13/12/2006 01:01:26 Cyvok This is just another example of why you will not win this war with us in the end. You do not have the strength, experience or the resolve to do what it takes to win a war, especially against BoB. Crying about exploits, hax, computer problems, GMÆs and DevÆs do not win wars. We win wars. Plain and simple. Not only has BoB been waging wars all over Eve since long before you were even conjured out of something from the septic tank, but the individual corporations that make up BoB were waging wars long before the concept of BoB was formed. The history these corps have in Eve spawns from the earliest days of Eve. A lot of us were also Alpha/Beta testers of Eve. You have said that ôNo one has ever faced BoB for this long and been still aliveö or whatever it is you say, actually you are wrong. BoB has been involved in several wars that lasted a long long time. The GNW was epic in size an length. But BoB prevailed in the end because we have resolve. You want to know how we win wars? Its pretty simple really. It is because we will not go away, we will not quit, we will not tire and we will not stop stomping you all over the face of Eve until we say you are done. We will crush you and your alliance in space. We will humiliate you in front of the rest of the Eve community for the failures that you are, though you are doing a grand enough job of that already I might point out. And when we are done all of this, we will do it again, until you cry mercy and beg for it to stop. We have taken one region for you so far. We have captured one of your stations in Feyth that will now act as a foothold into the region. We have taken your symbol of pride and strength for your alliance and returned it to the junk pile it was constructed from. Soon Feyth will fall and you will be left with nothing. You better hope Sir MolleàyesàItÆs Sir Molle to you, has the slightest shred of compassion for you. If you are lucky, he may entertain ideas of letting corps in ASCN defect from the region and letting them safely remove their assets. Face it, BoB is the pinnical of force and power in Eve. We are 3 time Alliance Tournament Champions. We have humiliated anyone we have decided to bless with our attention, be it on the battle field, the forumsàor local chan. Your probably wondering ôWhats next? What more can BoB possibly do to us that they havenÆt already done. TheyÆve taken a region, they have taken outposts, and now they have destroyed our Titanö ItÆs simple Cyvokà..moreàWe are going to keep on comingàcoming until all the time..all the iskàall the effort you guys put into building a viable 0.0 home for yourselvesàis crushedàand just another acquisition of BoB. Id find a solution to your problems soon. The longer you wait, the less likely Sir Molle is going to entertain your ideas of leaving our spaceàyesàour space, with all of your assets. Myself and the rest of BoB as usual, look forward to seeing you in space Cyvok. Bring your imparior, we will take that to. WOW Chill pill anyone???
Leno 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:25:00 - [220] Originally by: KSUDruid Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- And it's a shame, cause there still are so many good people in ASCN I was proud to once call my friends, but will probably never talk to me again, cause they think I'm a hacker, cheater, liar, GM, Dev, ISD, Santa Claus, Jesus, Brahma, or whatever omniptotent being you claim BoB members happen to be today.. I'm just a guy from Kansas who likes to play Eve. I'm not special, I just work hard and play hard. Every other member in BoB is pretty much the same as me. We're just people.. We're just people who happen to be better than you. All such a shame, it was such a believable story until the end. A guy from Kansas who likes to play eve? When did they get computers in kansas? Or even working phone lines for that matter? Clearly this is all a huge sham! --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend

Calisto Cody Minmatar The Black Swan Society	Posted - 2006.12.13 05:30:00 - [221] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Grimkill > He said . . .. I don't know why you wear a bra; you've got nothing to put in it. <br>She said .. . You wear pants don't you?
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:06:00 - [222] I once had a goat. I named him Frank. He was my best friend. We would go frolicking around in fields picking dasies every day. --------------------------------- I traded your sig for a cookie, I did it for the cookie, the cookie - Tirg
Eayo Caldari Dark Excession	Posted - 2006.12.13 06:27:00 - [223] Originally by: John Leitch Edited by: John Leitch on 13/12/2006 01:27:52 I forsee the image below, appearing on a lot of signatures over the next few days!! You win EVE.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.13 07:29:00 - [224] Originally by: Shadoo It's a shame to have a Titan go down like this, but everyone involved in 0.0 combat should already really know the game mechanics well enough to know you can be probed 15min after aggression and if anything (even the cov ops) aggresses you 1 second from aggro wearing out -- there's a further 15min period to kill the target. Not AFAIK.... If you wait for your timer you are in space for 1 min, if you don't wait, you're in space for 15min. If you get attacked while you are sitting in space (for 1 min or 15 min) it has no effect on the amount of time you're in space. So... if you log off while aggressed and they take 14 mins to probe you, they have just 1 min to kill you. If they probe you down in 40 secs while you're there for 1 min, they have just 20 seconds to get the kill. Can someone confirm this? Or if Shadoo's way is right I'd like to know also. Do you just have to tag them in their spot and we get another 15min timer started? -Bart
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:07:00 - [225] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, can’t beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- TBH, I don't believe a word from this post. It just doesn't add/ is all to convenient. If it is true though, GM's will reimburst your ship, if they don't, well........... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:28:00 - [226] Originally by: Drake Mezcal Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 12/12/2006 23:44:55 Sigh, My point is why did you bring them in the system? You all say they were to kill the titan, You all say they were to engage our Dread fleet You say they happen to be on the front line out of coincidence. You say they were there to haul stuff They arrived an hour before the titan kill, I personally doubt you would risk 3 Dreads against a fleet of Dreads when you previous attempts have been so succsessfull. And it aint like you were gonna engage any POSs. You only had 2-3 there. I was just wondering why they were there. You're not wondering at all, you're insinuating... Please state where you're going with this question? ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:39:00 - [227] It would be nice if there was proff of when CYVOK logged, but unfortunately I don't think we will ever see any, so it's just BOB's Word against CYVOK's Molle can you answer me this? Christopher Multsanti > nice kill on the titan Christopher Multsanti > he might get it back though Bob Pilot > nmope Bob Pilot > GM's have confirmed Bob Pilot > he will not get it back Bob Pilot > so his ****** :) Christopher Multsanti > how did they confirm it Bob Pilot > molle petitioned and asked Christopher Multsanti > lol Bob Pilot > cos he logged off with aggression Bob Pilot> he deserves it and thank god Did you acually petition Molle? And if not, did you tell your members you had? [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Player One Minmatar Die wilde 13	Posted - 2006.12.13 09:44:00 - [228] Originally by: pershphanie Originally by: Hast I'm sorry, what does it change where our dreads were really. Its not like we could affect CYVOK's client anyway is it? That's not entirly true. I confess. It was me. I hacked cyvoks computer and/or cut off his power. I then logged on my dev account reset his aggro timer and haxed his account so he was unable to log in. I then moved the dreads into the system. Everything theyve ever accused us of, all true. It was me. Special congrats to ASCN. Thanks to an insane rant by your leader in this thread all your future random accusations you like throw around will no longer be taken seriously by anyone. Nice work his single post is nothing compared to all the bob/fanboi crap on the forums. wake up, dont try to spin things to bob favour again, like bob always does
dabster Minmatar Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:10:00 - [229] Im curious to what petition option people use to get fast responses all the time. Cause when I (rarely) petition, it takes a month, and if i use 'stuck' to get a faster reply, i usually get told to bugger off and use 'other' (aka 1 month waitingline). ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:14:00 - [230] Originally by: dabster Im curious to what petition option people use to get fast responses all the time. Cause when I (rarely) petition, it takes a month, and if i use 'stuck' to get a faster reply, i usually get told to bugger off and use 'other' (aka 1 month waitingline). Simple really, it's because there are humans behind the petition system.

Evelyn Daseen The Love Corp	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:39:00 - [231] Hmm, If I were BoB i would at least want to know if cyvok got the titan back. As LV has shown a sekrit titan is better than a public one and Cyvok definantly should not get an advantage out of it if it was a bug (which seems doubtful from the timeline). So petitioning to get to know the result of the petition would be very rational if it happend and nothing odious about it. The GM¦s are perfectly free to say: "thank you for you petition, details of pending petitions between CCP and players is private information and will never be shared, have a good day".
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 10:52:00 - [232] Molle doesent petition for the answer. He decides it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:01:00 - [233] Originally by: Hast Molle doesent petition for the answer. He decides it. Thats actually quite funny.. ... except that ASCN seem to think its true. Then its not funny anymore.... either BoB or ASCN are talking out of their behinds about this whole Titan business. Who is it? One of these two alliances is corrupt, rotten and bordering on insanity when it comes to taking this game too far.... have ASCN been wearing their tinfoilhats for so long they are part of their cranium or is something truly sinister going on behind closed doors at CCP, when it comes to BoB. I hope that by the end of this saga, the answer will be clear.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:05:00 - [234] C'mon Nezx, anyone with half a brain doesn't even need to ask that question. It's been like that since 2003, when one ex-beta player ccused another of being the dev's pet or whatever. Then we got the whole stain/curse ore distribution saga, m0o/evol0ca/sa/fa exploits, duping, farming, ebaying, whatever. Some people simply can't deal with their pride being hurt. That's all. There's no rl damage to anyone in this game except his pride, but that's enough to reduce them to inane drivel more often then we like seeing. Also, remmber what Oveur said about overdoing the forum campaign when he was on evetv ? Would any of us BoB *****z ever say that ? Old blog
Drakma Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:11:00 - [235] Originally by: Hast Molle doesent petition for the answer. He decides it. qft
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:13:00 - [236] Originally by: Rod Blaine It's been like that since 2003, when one ex-beta player ccused another of being the dev's pet or whatever. Then we got the whole stain/curse ore distribution saga, m0o/evol0ca/sa/fa exploits, duping, farming, ebaying, whatever. Some people simply can't deal with their pride being hurt. That's all. There's no rl damage to anyone in this game except his pride, but that's enough to reduce them to inane drivel more often then we like seeing. Also, remmber what Oveur said about overdoing the forum campaign when he was on evetv ? Would any of us BoB *****z ever say that ? Right.. well in that case ASCN need to be branded for what they are a delusional, paranoid, schizophrenic bunch of players, that we are better off without. If BoB have done no wrong.. then Cyvok should stay out of the game and his henchmen in ASCN should follow him. None of this GJ Cyvok rubbish.. he was the head man since the beginning and if they have been fed this rubbish all this time. EVE is better off without him and those of his ilk. ASCN put your money where your mouth is... about CCP or get out of a game you simply cannot handle.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:24:00 - [237] Give your bloody fingers a rest Nez. Its getting tiring, go and insult some people in real life and see how far you get. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:26:00 - [238] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Rod Blaine It's been like that since 2003, when one ex-beta player ccused another of being the dev's pet or whatever. Then we got the whole stain/curse ore distribution saga, m0o/evol0ca/sa/fa exploits, duping, farming, ebaying, whatever. Some people simply can't deal with their pride being hurt. That's all. There's no rl damage to anyone in this game except his pride, but that's enough to reduce them to inane drivel more often then we like seeing. Also, remmber what Oveur said about overdoing the forum campaign when he was on evetv ? Would any of us BoB *****z ever say that ? Right.. well in that case ASCN need to be branded for what they are a delusional, paranoid, schizophrenic bunch of players, that we are better off without. If BoB have done no wrong.. then Cyvok should stay out of the game and his henchmen in ASCN should follow him. None of this GJ Cyvok rubbish.. he was the head man since the beginning and if they have been fed this rubbish all this time. EVE is better off without him and those of his ilk. ASCN put your money where your mouth is... about CCP or get out of a game you simply cannot handle. So when one BoB guy denies something, you immediately believe him? You're a tool. Some things can't be proven, even if they are true. Other things I know are bound by confidentiality, to which I am coming dangerously close of breaking. I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:27:00 - [239] Originally by: welsh wizard Give your bloody fingers a rest Nez. Its getting tiring, go and insult some people in real life and see how far you get. Alright welsh you do some talking then.... Who do you believe? Do you think CCP and BoB are in cohoots? that Molle gets his petitions granted whilst others do not? Or do you think ASCN HC cant handle losing their Titan? Have your say.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:29:00 - [240] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: welsh wizard Give your bloody fingers a rest Nez. Its getting tiring, go and insult some people in real life and see how far you get. Alright welsh you do some talking then.... Who do you believe? Do you think CCP and BoB are in cohoots? that Molle gets his petitions granted whilst others do not? Or do you think ASCN HC cant handle losing their Titan? Have your say. This is not about the titan. I can understand CCP not wanting to give it back, due to the uproar it would cause regardless if it were justified or not. The problem lies much much deeper.

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:29:00 - [241] Originally by: Malachon Draco So when one BoB guy denies something, you immediately believe him? You're a tool. Some things can't be proven, even if they are true. Other things I know are bound by confidentiality, to which I am coming dangerously close of breaking. I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. Nope.. there was a big IF in my post.. I dont know who to believe tbh. If ASCN has information pertinent to BoB's relationship with CCP you owe it to the community to divulge it... if CCP ban this topic then you must divulge it in other forums, where your claims can be refuted by BoB if necessary. THIS IS THAT IMPORTANT.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:31:00 - [242] Originally by: Malachon Draco I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. Just plain rofl dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:32:00 - [243] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/12/2006 11:31:58 Originally by: Malachon Draco I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. Tell usssssss. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Zaethiel Murder-Death-Kill Blood Raiders Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:34:00 - [244] I think as long as he says he dropped due to lag or something he should get his ship back since 99% of Eve seem to get their ships back as long as they say something onlong those lines. According to CCP most people who petition lost their ships to lag rather than having anything to do with the multiple people shooting them down. =(. _________________________________________
Audrea Momentum.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:37:00 - [245] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/12/2006 11:31:58 Originally by: Malachon Draco I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. Tell usssssss. Yup, the CAOD section misses some love by yellow guys, too many pink guys Lets see if your 'info' is enough to get them to respond Its great being a Gallente blasterpilot, aint it? Save Tranquility!
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:42:00 - [246] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: welsh wizard Give your bloody fingers a rest Nez. Its getting tiring, go and insult some people in real life and see how far you get. Alright welsh you do some talking then.... Who do you believe? Do you think CCP and BoB are in cohoots? that Molle gets his petitions granted whilst others do not? Or do you think ASCN HC cant handle losing their Titan? Have your say. Thats your problem Nez, you have this need to force your insults down the communities throats with every concievable opportunity. I don't believe any of this conspiracy theory rubbish, Cyvok built an empire along with the rest of ASCN and now its being dismantled by an entity who are very good at dismantling things. Theres no need to get all shady with it, thats whats happening and everyone knows it. Thing is, I don't feel the urge to keep reminding everyone how incompetent ASCN are and how they should quit the game or disband or whatever else you think they should do. "Don't read the forums then, quite Eve" you say? No, I think its you who needs to understand that although this is a game and a piece of entertainment software, words hurt, people are behind the Avatars and the corporations and alliances you aim your propagandist rubbish at. You're not the sole instigator of this pathetic verbal abuse and you seem an intelligent guy. Maybe its not too late to stop and just be nice to everyone? "It's only a game" Yes, correct, but people play this game, not emotionless robots. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:43:00 - [247] Originally by: Malachon Draco Some things can't be proven, even if they are true. Other things I know are bound by confidentiality, to which I am coming dangerously close of breaking. I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. Very funny indeed, we also shot Kennedy and Elvis is in BoB. Blog
Dekiri Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:48:00 - [248] Edited by: Dekiri on 13/12/2006 11:48:25 - --------------------------------- My dad can beat up your dad!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:52:00 - [249] Originally by: welsh wizard Thats your problem Nez, you have this need to force your insults down the communities throats with every concievable opportunity. I don't believe any of this conspiracy theory rubbish, Cyvok built an empire along with the rest of ASCN and now its being dismantled by an entity who are very good at dismantling things. Theres no need to get all shady with it, thats whats happening and everyone knows it. Thing is, I don't feel the urge to keep reminding everyone how incompetent ASCN are and how they should quit the game or disband or whatever else you think they should do. "Don't read the forums then, quite Eve" you say? No, I think its you who needs to understand that although this is a game and a piece of entertainment software, words hurt, people are behind the Avatars and the corporations and alliances you aim your propagandist rubbish at. You're not the sole instigator of this pathetic verbal abuse and you seem an intelligent guy. Maybe its not too late to stop and just be nice to everyone? "It's only a game" Yes, correct, but people play this game, not emotionless robots. What you are saying would make sense but for one thing...... Lets go along with your take on this... ASCN are being dismantled by BoB. It seems that the characters behind the ASCN computers can't handle it... they will not allow this to happen, be it by ingame mechanics or calling into question the very fabric of the game we play. It seems that for their misfortune they are prepared to make the game less palatable for the rest of us. CCP is corrupt, in bed with BoB. Shady deals going on in the background, preferrential treatment when it comes to petitions. Devs inside BoB, possibly supplying them with isk and materials... who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes? Are we playing a rigged game? Or does it.... or does the rabbit hole stop at the ASCN forums. What are they trying to peddle here? If its not true.. then they are guilty of the most heinous defamation possible, trying to spoil the game for the rest of us. Thats unforgivable. So when ASCN goes down is EVE supposed to go down with her, is that the deal? Cause thats what the implications are of the ASCN accusations.. we are all wasting our time because BoB has CCP in their back pocket. And by god they better have some proof for what they are saying. There is nothing innocent or understandable about the implications being cast around on these threads today. Something is wrong very wrong and the root of it lies within ASCN or BoB.
Ashen Brarn Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:55:00 - [250] Originally by: Malachon Draco Some things can't be proven, even if they are true. Other things I know are bound by confidentiality, to which I am coming dangerously close of breaking. I've probably already said more than I should have according to some, but depending on how it goes from here, if it all doesn't matter anymore to the people involved, it will come out. I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. That's one hell of an insinuation. I hope you understand the implications if you are even a little bit wrong... You won't just have podded your own credibility, but it would be a volley fired at the game, at real people's livelihoods, and the reputation of your friends in your corp and alliance that you play the game with. ---

Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:56:00 - [251] There's nothing to debate about this Nez, it's utterly ridiculous to suggest that CCP favours any one player or group of players above any other. There's just a group of people who's pride is severely damaged by getting outclassed in a video game and as a consequence are lashing out. It's a storm in a teacup that will be yesterdays news within a few days just like every other drama bomb, another piece of Eve history. Blog
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 11:57:00 - [252] So you're helping things are you? You're the one stirring the pot Nez. Most people reading these forums just take all this crap with a pinch of salt. You seem determined to find some "inner truth" at the expense of the mood and well being of the people playing the game. I think you need to read your own words carefully then ask yourself whether you're actually the one helping to create a hostile, bitter community. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:00:00 - [253] Quote: although this is a game and a piece of entertainment software, words hurt, If you are incapable of not being insulted by words, that are not even spoken to you in person, by someone you probably never met and never will... then you might as well switch it off and go play Lego with an imaginary friend. Pain is meant to be felt
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:01:00 - [254] Originally by: welsh wizard So you're helping things are you? You're the one stirring the pot Nez. Most people reading these forums just take all this crap with a pinch of salt. You seem determined to find some "inner truth" at the expense of the mood and well being of the people playing the game. I think you need to read your own words carefully then ask yourself whether you're actually the one helping to create a hostile, bitter community. Yeah cause I started saying CCP was bent? So you admit that you believe that ASCN are telling a load of lies cause they are ****ed off. Well if thats it then...I guess there is no more to talk about. Everything is fine and dandy and ASCN are delusional, just like BoB said they were all along. Its a good job BoB can single out these alliances that are delusional and polish them off for us. GG I say and good riddance.
Ackath Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:05:00 - [255] Originally by: Nez Perces a lot of stuff Why aren't you in BoB by now?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:05:00 - [256] Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: although this is a game and a piece of entertainment software, words hurt, If you are incapable of not being insulted by words, that are not even spoken to you in person, by someone you probably never met and never will... then you might as well switch it off and go play Lego with an imaginary friend. Well I think you summed it up perfectly there Juan. You started off well then tailed off into a personal insult designed to make the person it was aimed at feel bad. You are the problem with this community. Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:06:00 - [257] Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:08:00 - [258] Originally by: SirMolle Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot. I don't believe you petitioned to ask the mods if Cyvok got his titan back, did you tell your members you did and that he wouldn't be getting it. Thats what I believe. [Is main activated, check, Post!]
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:10:00 - [259] Come with proof or stay silent. It's amazing to see how many people assume that their paranoid concoctions are fact. Instead of shouting about slander on anyone, provide solid proof or admit that you're wrong. Either of these actions deserves respect, but keeping on this charade only means a loss of a lot of respect. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:11:00 - [260] Originally by: Ackath Why aren't you in BoB by now? Why aren't you in the MGRL? put on some shades.. and you could be Backdoor Bandit's twin. Stupid question.. stupid answer.

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:15:00 - [261] Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:15:00 - [262] Originally by: SirMolle Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot. Says it all tbh albeit in a overly aggressive manner. :P Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:17:00 - [263] Edited by: Noveron on 13/12/2006 12:17:53 Quote: - He was experiencing difficulties with his computer, and had decided to relog from another (this was the first one, and presumably what CYVOK told them on TS before dying) In all likelyhood, the third one sounds most accurate, as it came through channels before ASCN knew what had happened. Which means he had logged out deliberately, and unaware of game mechanics. To people still wondering - he had 2 minutes left on combat aggro, which means it resets, and you stay in space for another 15 minutes. To cull any further rumours, there were several plans formulated to kill CYVOK, but in the end elaborate strategy was undone by the pilot's apparent lack of understanding of game mechanics Of course DC couldnt resist the chance to try to punch CYVOK even a bit, huh? This is not a war report, it is a biased report. If you want to make an unbiased war report dont give opinions, just imo (ASCN may think other way). You cant start saying that he was probably having issues with his PC or connection or whatever and then blame him for the lack of knowledge in game mechanics. Anyways, you killed the Titan, and CYVOK has resigned. Is this what you were aiming for or why did you invade ASCN? Can you tell us now? DC didnt want to tell me why. Congrats on the achievement?
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:18:00 - [264] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: SirMolle Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot. I don't believe you petitioned to ask the mods if Cyvok got his titan back, did you tell your members you did and that he wouldn't be getting it. Thats what I believe. I dont lie to my members ever. Theres your answer. And the only one you will ever get.
Ackath Minmatar Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:19:00 - [265] Originally by: Nez Perces Originally by: Ackath Why aren't you in BoB by now? Why aren't you in the MGRL? put on some shades.. and you could be Backdoor Bandit's twin. Stupid question.. stupid answer. Actually you're asking me an interesting question and the answer is that I havent explored my feminine side yet. As for my question, the translation is that I was just curious why haven't you applied for BoB since you seem so biased towards them. Its not nice to act objective when yer really not.
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:19:00 - [266] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: SirMolle Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot. I don't believe you petitioned to ask the mods if Cyvok got his titan back, did you tell your members you did and that he wouldn't be getting it. Thats what I believe. I dont lie to my members ever. Theres your answer. And the only one you will ever get. Thank you. [Is main activated, check, Post!]
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:21:00 - [267] Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first. I dare you, post EVERYTHING. right now. Complete with wtfever you are accusing us of. And please by all means, BRING FACTS AND PROOF. Put up or shut up. Why I'm responding to you? I hate liers and whiners. Simple as.
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:26:00 - [268] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Juan Andalusian Quote: although this is a game and a piece of entertainment software, words hurt, If you are incapable of not being insulted by words, that are not even spoken to you in person, by someone you probably never met and never will... then you might as well switch it off and go play Lego with an imaginary friend. Well I think you summed it up perfectly there Juan. You started off well then tailed off into a personal insult designed to make the person it was aimed at feel bad. You are the problem with this community. How can i be aiming to make someone feel bad by simply writing something if i dont believe that words bear any real weight? People on the internet and out of it are fickle beings that seem to switch between "insulted" and "not insulted" as if it's some short of game mode. WTS some willpower and thicker skins. Pain is meant to be felt
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:27:00 - [269] Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first. Read my post above before replying again. Bring proof or shut up. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:27:00 - [270] Originally by: Ackath Actually you're asking me an interesting question and the answer is that I havent explored my feminine side yet. As for my question, the translation is that I was just curious why haven't you applied for BoB since you seem so biased towards them. Its not nice to act objective when yer really not. I'll answer your question.. you will see what you want to see.. I can't help what that is. You think I'm biased in favour of BoB? thats your prerrogative, I have no intention of convincing you otherwise. Believe what you will.

Rebellion Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:32:00 - [271] Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
Reiisha Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:36:00 - [272] At this point i'm waiting for the low-res low-quality JPEG 'dev chat screenshot' from a certain someone. I guess he needs to stall more to come up with one. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.13 12:57:00 - [273] An excellent write up of the chain of events by SirMolle I just wanted to compliment you on such a riveting report. You have some real writing skills there and I enjoyed it an excellent read. While its a shame to see the Avatar lost due to a misunderstanding of game mechanics these things happen in Eve. Sadly it happend with a very expensive ship but that is the way it goes sometimes. I know Ive lost ships, BPs, alot of other stuff in my time in Eve going back to Beta. While alot of it has been petitioned and returned some hasnt. You live with it and move on and learn some lessons along the way. I wish the thread hadnt degenerated like this though it started with the nice report by SirMolle and some compliments and congratulations and turned into something much different. If CYVOK wants to petition the Avatar loss and if CCP wants to replace it or not replace it it's beyond our control and will just "happen" regardless. I agree the loss of the Avatar in this manner was disappointing as going down in full glory of fighting would've been much more invigorating and BoB probably did have the resources there to do the job. Either way the end result is the end result and its what we have to live with and learn from. Congratulations to Shrike and BoB for their victory and condolences to CYVOK and ASCN on their loss. As a player who left 0.0 for Empire and never looked back I will never pilot a Titan and have the experiences of massive alliance pvp again. I have to admit a touch of envy for those rare among us who have had, do now, and will have that opportunity. Still I'm very happy where I am today. A parting comment for CYVOK. You're a good man and have built something wonderful with ASCN. The infrastructure you've developed is truly a great success story of Eve. You've lost the Avatar and are disappointed at the results of your petition (I assume it was rejected). Still EvE has alot to offer and you should consider staying around. People may not have liked what you did or said or how your hair looked but people do have to respect what you did at ASCN and the apparent friendships you've developed over the years. Don't quit now. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Devvon Maelstrom Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:00:00 - [274] Edited by: Devvon Maelstrom on 13/12/2006 13:12:46 Edited by: Devvon Maelstrom on 13/12/2006 13:12:08 The direction this topic has gone is beyond bad to the point of making me feel sick. The idea that CCP would jeodardize the integrity of the game by pandering to one group of players or another is not only ludicrous but insulting. Sure, the devs and GMs of Eve try and make the game interesting and entertaining for the players and for themselves but at the end of the day, Eve is a business. Any serious tampering or pampering by the staff would be a quick way to flushing revenues down the toilet. Anybody who would believe that they would risk that is just plainly a fool. Everytime I read these forums, I can easily find posts where one group accuses the other of using haxs or exploits to gain advantage in game. After a while, you start to get the impression that everyone is either cheating or a dev. Of course, this cannot be the case. (At least I hope not, or I am seriously being cheated out of some cool stuff.) The truth of the matter is that noone likes to lose. There are those who can except their losses and those who can only deal with it by finding someone or something else to blame. I have been in BoB since the beginning and I can say with all honesty that we do not cheat, hax, or try to exploit. In truth, we are too damn proud for any of that. We are not devs, GMs, or minor dieties (except Molle - who I do suspect is a minor god come to bless us with his presence.) Anyone who believes otherwise is just chewing on sour grapes.
Nim Taram	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:06:00 - [275] Edited by: Nim Taram on 13/12/2006 13:06:31 .
Thesia Syn Gallente Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.13 13:07:00 - [276] What a miserable way to take out a titan. I can see that it must have been impossible to resist, but what an anti-climax. I would have liked to think that some honor between enemies would exist in a situation like that. Oh well.
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:01:00 - [277] Quote: I'll answer your question.. you will see what you want to see.. I can't help what that is. You think I'm biased in favour of BoB? thats your prerrogative, I have no intention of convincing you otherwise. Well that's what everyone (100%) thinks. And it's not about everyone thinking it, but about you proving it again and again. It's not like it's a bad thing anyway, you just like BoB- it's fine. Also, to whoever accussing of anything, just put the proof over the table, no need for all the drama. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:15:00 - [278] Originally by: Karunel Well that's what everyone (100%) thinks. And it's not about everyone thinking it, but about you proving it again and again. You must be a very special person to know what everyone (100%) thinks.... I wish I had your talent.. you are truly a gifted person. I don't like whining, I don't like CCP getting accused left right and centre without proof, I don't like people who live in 0.0 but won't pvp, I don't like alliances with dead weight, I don't like assumptions, I don't like sensless witch-hunts, I don't like cheating.. most of all though I don't like liars, they make my skin crawl. Beyond that you can think I'm pro-whatever you like.
esquimo leviticus GalacTECH Unlimited	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:15:00 - [279] congrats BOB, on sunday you were crowned the winners of the 3rd tourney and now the first to shoot down a titan.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:28:00 - [280] Originally by: CYVOK Molle, the trash you and your slaves come up to justify your BS never ceases to amaze me. For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Other then that, my game logs clearly show my arrgo timer ware off 2 minutes before I was out of game. On top of that I could not log back in. Nice job trying to cover up what really took place, looks like you have all your bases covered yet again. Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh**, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- Whether you like it or not the hardware you play on can have an effect on the game. Getting booted of the internets or our computers crashing and getting killed/podded has happened to a lot of us. That's why with something as important as a titan, you should of taken precautions against this. Perhaps you should of gotten some of the phone numbers of you high ranking alliance officers and called them up to log you in when you realized that your character was still in space when you were kicked off. Your irresponsibility and indecision in this particular situation, and throughout the entire war with BoB, has shown everyone exactly what kind of pilot and leader you are, a terrible one. Lots of tough talk, and then when you lose, you trash the other guy for winning instead of coming to terms with what you did wrong. So not only have you wasted the resources of your alliance by fighting a war and losing it, you wasted about 65 billion of it by not taking precautions against a simple computer malfunction. Bravo Cyvok, bravo.

Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:30:00 - [281] Well not wanting to go off-topic so I won't post any furhter but I just meant that all posts I've read by you in threads regarding BoB have always (or pretty much always, it's an hyperbole, a figure of speech, whatever) been pro-BoB and a lot of people have answered your posts pointing just that. As I said, I don't think there's anything wrong with being pro, anti or who-gives-a-flying-```` -BoB. Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:37:00 - [282] Originally by: SirMolle Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: SirMolle Utter and complete idiotic rubbish. Are you all totally insane? @ Malachon If you have anything to say, then go ahead and say it. @ Nez Pull your head out of the flipping sewer @ Tinfoils ENGAGE BRAIN. @ Everyone This post is a factual recap of what happened when the titan went down. Take your &/)/(&#"()/#)(!#=)/#(=/#(=# conspiration theories to the fiction forum where it belongs. Are any of you at all for real? Do you actually HAVE a brain? IF ANYONE wants to accuse us of ANYTHING, be damn sure that you will need to bring PROOF of wtfever it is you are accusing us of. Monkeys have better skill at coming to conclusions then you lot. I don't believe you petitioned to ask the mods if Cyvok got his titan back, did you tell your members you did and that he wouldn't be getting it. Thats what I believe. I dont lie to my members ever. Theres your answer. And the only one you will ever get. This is why so many people hate you Molle, you tell it how it is. :)
Swirler	Posted - 2006.12.13 14:52:00 - [283] Interesting discussions about game mechanics and exploits. Don't fail to recognize that in war, strange things happen, opportunities to win are missed or thrown away or just never seen until after the fact. Mistakes occur, decisions have random consequences. I feel only for the ship loss. Had ASCN known it was under attack, I am sure they would have scrambled all available ships to save it. That fact they did not, means that no one in ASCN knew it was under attack. Just a mis-fortune of war. I have seen my share on both sided in LV's war with RA. Hapless folks wandering into a gate camp with T2 fitted Battleships, off-lined POSs, etc. I guess the one that really loses is the side that doesn't have it's situational awareness and priorities tight. Slight paranoia is perfect awareness, fight till you can't fight anymore, with those two principles, you just might win. 8-)
Tundaar Minmatar Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:29:00 - [284] Edited by: Tundaar on 13/12/2006 15:32:14 Originally by: Troubadour Perhaps you should of gotten some of the phone numbers of you high ranking alliance officers and called them up to log you in when you realized that your character was still in space when you were kicked off Your irresponsibility and indecision in this particular situation, and throughout the entire war with BoB, has shown everyone exactly what kind of pilot and leader you are, a terrible one. Lots of tough talk, and then when you lose, you trash the other guy for winning instead of coming to terms with what you did wrong. So not only have you wasted the resources of your alliance by fighting a war and losing it, you wasted about 65 billion of it by not taking precautions against a simple computer malfunction. Bravo Cyvok, bravo. So you are advocating a clear violation of the EULA (Account Sharing) in order to save a ship . . . . interesting.
Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.13 15:34:00 - [285] Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first. By telling you to post what ever it is you are talking about how are they trying to stop you? And who is it you need to talk to? Maybe you are a Dev, yea that's what I think ASCN are all devs! "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!" http://images.filecloud.com/283570/hal201.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Apollo Balthar Minmatar The Sausage Smuggling Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:00:00 - [286] Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first. Delusions FTL.. I predict no follow up on this slander in the near future like any conspiracy theory... ------------------------------------------------ WTS: tech2 clue
Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:11:00 - [287] Originally by: Tundaar Edited by: Tundaar on 13/12/2006 15:32:14 Originally by: Troubadour Perhaps you should of gotten some of the phone numbers of you high ranking alliance officers and called them up to log you in when you realized that your character was still in space when you were kicked off Your irresponsibility and indecision in this particular situation, and throughout the entire war with BoB, has shown everyone exactly what kind of pilot and leader you are, a terrible one. Lots of tough talk, and then when you lose, you trash the other guy for winning instead of coming to terms with what you did wrong. So not only have you wasted the resources of your alliance by fighting a war and losing it, you wasted about 65 billion of it by not taking precautions against a simple computer malfunction. Bravo Cyvok, bravo. So you are advocating a clear violation of the EULA (Account Sharing) in order to save a ship . . . . interesting. Yeah, technically ... Now, give yourself 5 minutes to think about the numerous violations of law and regulations you commit each day without even knowing it, and also knowing that nobody cares about. I'm certain that CCP would frown upon an account constantly shared by different persons, but minor sharing such as : - phoning a friend to ask him to dock your ship cause you've lost your connection in a middle of a ratting session. - asking a friend to start a new skill while your RL prevents you from connecting. - connecting yourself and giving controls to a friend for a few minutes to show him the game. - ... All these three have happened to myself, I am fairly sure an important part of the community does it, and fairly sure that CCP does not care about such minor violations. In fact, I'm not sure I would play Eve today if a friend hadn't told me to take the commands of his Raven in a mission 2 (yeah, he was careful) to see how the game worked. Originally by: Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts
Ewa Quillam Caldari mega mining corporation Astral Wolves	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:20:00 - [288] Except for the technicalities regarding Eve (which bring me new information about the game), threads like this are starting to disgust me. This is not funny anymore and not an acid entertainment either .
Fortior STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 16:59:00 - [289] Originally by: Rebellion Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? 5 points for best quote of the thread! Nice job Rebellion... Or should I say MAXIMUS!! tinfoil hat on Also, my spideysense is tingling. It tells me a lock is coming.
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:02:00 - [290] Originally by: Black Torment Why does ASCN always bring out the OMG HAXPLOITS card? Because that is easier to say, than actually do something about yourself. Their enemies are always "lairs, cheaters, exploiters, uses only t2 guns etc etc". They created that bag of bull***, and now it's exploded in their face.

Brem Watson Caldari Panzershrek	Posted - 2006.12.13 17:20:00 - [291] Great teamwork and persistence!
Grizwold Royal Canuck Air Force	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:01:00 - [292] Bob - Congrats on a well executed Titan kill on an unexpected opportunity. Cyvok - Sad, really sad to see such a reply. It shows how much McCreedy's influence has rubbed off on you and likely how your RL situation has put more stress on you than you may realize. A simple statement of fact would have worked so well. Crap happens and everyone who PVPs knows this and accepts that fact. Virt - So glad you are the new leader of ASCN. Excellent choice (pity it had not been you instead of McCreedy as number 2) but hard act to follow with Cyvok's huge respect factor in ASCN. The loss of Cyvok will likely have a far greater affect on ASCN than the loss of the Titan. Virt/Bob - You may wish to discuss a short armistice in order to allow the reorganization of ASCN ...this is in Bob's best interest as the objective is to have better fights is it not? Maybe have McCreedy sent to Bob as a toy boy for the duration of the Armistice as compensation? Best of luck Virt.
Zimroel The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:01:00 - [293] Only one question remains: Did cyvok give the insurance money to ASCN or is he taking it with him as a retirement present? ASCN should look on the bright side - a Titan isn't THAT high a cost to pay to get shot of an incompetent leader.
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:12:00 - [294] Originally by: Grizwold Bob - Congrats on a well executed Titan kill on an unexpected opportunity. Cyvok - Sad, really sad to see such a reply. It shows how much McCreedy's influence has rubbed off on you and likely how your RL situation has put more stress on you than you may realize. A simple statement of fact would have worked so well. Crap happens and everyone who PVPs knows this and accepts that fact. Virt - So glad you are the new leader of ASCN. Excellent choice (pity it had not been you instead of McCreedy as number 2) but hard act to follow with Cyvok's huge respect factor in ASCN. The loss of Cyvok will likely have a far greater affect on ASCN than the loss of the Titan. Virt/Bob - You may wish to discuss a short armistice in order to allow the reorganization of ASCN ...this is in Bob's best interest as the objective is to have better fights is it not? Maybe have McCreedy sent to Bob as a toy boy for the duration of the Armistice as compensation? Best of luck Virt. I thought BOB wanted to conqueor the whole map? ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar.
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:16:00 - [295] Edited by: Yuki Li on 13/12/2006 18:18:15 Excellent write up and excellent work. It's just a crying shame that the retard squadron saw fit to bomb the thread into stupidity. ASCN are missing a titan for two reasons. 1. Negligence 2. BoB were ontop of their game and saw the mistake. Simple case of cause and effect. No conspiracy, no need for tinfoil hats, and no need for tears. EDIT - Nez, it takes a different kind of ignorance to try to generalise 4000 people with one snot-nosed insult. Website / Recruiting
Hjorten Caldari XanCom	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:25:00 - [296] Congratulations BOB. Pity I could not be involved, but a fascinating ingame development. From a gaming perspective - well done CCP for content. Its moments like these that define history.
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:26:00 - [297] Originally by: Derrios I thought BOB wanted to conqueor the whole map? IMO that is more honorable than... Befriend SA - Attack SA - Grab their land. Befriend SE - Attack SE - Grab their land. Befriend TS - Attack TS - Grab their land. Yes, you can build Empire on lies, deceit and backstabbing. But only for some time. After that is a payback time. ASCN/AXE and all legacy of them deserves to be erased from the map. Together with their laws, blacklists, ignorant notes in the standings list etc. etc. That will clean the south once and for all.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:38:00 - [298] Originally by: Man1ac IMO that is more honorable than... Befriend SA - Attack SA - Grab their land. Befriend SE - Attack SE - Grab their land. Befriend TS - Attack TS - Grab their land. Yes, you can build Empire on lies, deceit and backstabbing. But only for some time. After that is a payback time. ASCN/AXE and all legacy of them deserves to be erased from the map. Together with their laws, blacklists, ignorant notes in the standings list etc. etc. That will clean the south once and for all. Yet again a member of XB cuts straight to the meat of it. Well said. Whilst everyone's feeling all sorry for poor cyvok, remember what this man has done to others. He most certainly isn't the saint that everyone seems to think him to be. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 18:59:00 - [299] Originally by: Yuki Li EDIT - Nez, it takes a different kind of ignorance to try to generalise 4000 people with one snot-nosed insult. tsk tsk... you wanna explain yourself Ms Yuki Li? or you just couldn't help yourself and had to edit in a nonsensical comment at the end of an otherwise sensible post. Please explain where my ignorance lies.
Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.13 19:44:00 - [300] My post isn't any less sensible because i disagree with your generalisation - and doing the same thing over multiple posts doesn't make you right, it makes you sodding persistant. Your ignorance is in stating that 4000 people are all incompetent. I'm sure there are any number of competent players and pvpers within ASCN, even though i'd rather not admit it. (not a fan) You're just trolling because you can Website / Recruiting

Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:28:00 - [301] Edited by: Nez Perces on 13/12/2006 20:32:04 Originally by: Yuki Li My post isn't any less sensible because i disagree with your generalisation - and doing the same thing over multiple posts doesn't make you right, it makes you sodding persistant. Your ignorance is in stating that 4000 people are all incompetent. I'm sure there are any number of competent players and pvpers within ASCN, even though i'd rather not admit it. (not a fan) You're just trolling because you can I didn't say your edit was not sensible, I said it was nonsensical.. as in it didn't make a whole lot of sense, now it does through your clarification. So... you gather that I think the whole of ASCN is incompetent.... hmm well in this thread I don't think I alluded to ASCN's competence at all, at least it wasnt the point I was making. So I'm gonna have to explain to you what I was actually making a point of. ASCN have developed a culture of denial within their alliance, where shortcomings are not of ones own making but to be blamed on others. BoB, Devs, game mechanics, spies, hacks, basement kiddies, etc.. you name it they have used it as an excuse during this war. You gotta ask yourself where does all this come from.. what is the source? The answer inevitably lies with the command structure.... and the primary culprit was Cyvok and his direct subordinates. Its a sad comment to make but the chain of command seems to be rotten from the top down. There are so many choice quotes one could chose from from any number of ASCN HC officers, which wanna make you roll your eyes till they pop out of your head. Originally by: Cyvok If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose? ... nice tactic, really started the war off on a good footing. Originally by: Cyvok I am sure BoB are going to write a glorious post about how the Titan in GQ2 signals their greatness and how they have won the war. Well, take it from me folks, in its current form the titan is VERY cool to look at and not much use for anything else. ..... so all this hullabaloo over a ship that is just 'cool' to look at? Originally by: Cyvok Yet another pointless achievement by the Band of Bull-sh, canÆt beat a bunch of "care bears" on the field of battle so you have to lie, cheat and steal your way thru the war. Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". ... gracious till the last. So.. if this is the example set by ASCN's ex-supremo is it any surprise that stuff like the following gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a number of ASCN pilots... Originally by:** Malachon Draco Some things can't be proven, even if they are true. Other things I know are bound by confidentiality, to which I am coming dangerously close of breaking. .... I can't say more until I talked to some people about our course of action from here on out, but if it is up to me you will hear exactly what happened. Regardless of the consequences for Eve and CCP. .. which sounds awfully serious doesnt it? until later in the day, in another thread, the truth comes out.... Originally by: Malachon Draco Most of this stuff can't be proven, so what do you expect? Fact is we have a lot of people stating that indeed BoB has a number of GMs/Devs in its membership. ..... And as I stated, there are tons of ways for GMs and Devs to abuse their power without ever even setting a foot ingame. No logs exist of that. ... i.e more conjecture, speculation, baseless random accusations, born of a culture of blame on anything but ones own failings. My gripe with this is that a lot of ASCN pilots will swallow this garbage wholesale and damage the very fabric of the game we play. And thats just wrong on so many levels. This sort of mentality must be called out and extinguished from the game, if you fail its your fault, nobody elses.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:43:00 - [302] Originally by: Malachon Draco Hahaha, hilarious. So now I've got SirMolle, DB Preacher and Blacklight themselves coming to try and stop me from speaking the truth. How in the world have I been able to rattle their cages to this extent that they all jump in this thread. I guess I am getting a bit too close for comfort here, aren't I? You should have known better, if you wanna try to discredit someone, leave it to your forumwarrior squad. Just ask yourself, if I really were just a loony, would Blacklight, DBP and SirMolle themselves come into this thread to respond? I think not. But like I said before, I need to talk to some people first. It's really easy to accuse CCP because they won't defend themselves. You guys in ASCN are all about the strawman aren't you? I mean, your whole alliance has been proven to be one giant strawman. One swift kick and down it comes.
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.13 20:59:00 - [303] Wow, so much work lost to such a small error. By the way, i'm always astounded by bob's efficiency.
Rak'Kabal Kain Minmatar	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:00:00 - [304] Its a shame that the titan fight was not more epic, then again its to be expected seeing as it was an ASCN titan. VC
Nir Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:01:00 - [305] Congratulations to BOB on causing what is possibly the most expensive CTRL-Q in history.
CDS Leader Caldari Eve Forum Warriors	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:48:00 - [306] Originally by: Nir Congratulations to BOB on causing what is possibly the most expensive CTRL-Q in history. Not really - tell it to the guy who lost a cerb BPO in a logoffski hauler
Miss Overlord Gallente Ferrum Pugnus New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.12.13 21:55:00 - [307] good job BOB now for LVs titan These posts represent my personal views and not those of my corp or alliance. These do not reflect offical alliance or corp views This is a disclaimer
Hellraiza666 Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 22:02:00 - [308] Originally by: CDS Leader Originally by: Nir Congratulations to BOB on causing what is possibly the most expensive CTRL-Q in history. Not really - tell it to the guy who lost a cerb BPO in a logoffski hauler Im pretty certain a Titan is more expensive than a cerb BPO, in isk and Man hours.
Riddlock Minmatar Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.13 22:19:00 - [309] after reading those pages i feel that i must find some roids and pew pew at them /emote packs his strip miners ... yarr o yarr where are you stinky roid .. bob must mined it .. anyway , good show bob :)
Kipkruide Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 22:25:00 - [310] hey a riddlock, :), having fun mate Btw i like bob, or is that off-topic?

Layla Currie Followers Of Darkness	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:09:00 - [311] i asked Hast to haxsploit me a vaga and he said no. So by saying no he clearly implied he could! gmhaxzorz! But seriously, blaming hacks, power failures, meteors hitting your house is just lame. And for ****s sake Nez you just prattle on like a freakin 70 year old man, shut up for god sakes
Spaja Saist Gallente Knights of Retribution	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:42:00 - [312] Edited by: Spaja Saist on 13/12/2006 23:45:55 It's a shame that this once great game has devolved into the piece of **** we have today. The community used to be rather respectful of each other. Now all we have is people like the smacktards of BOB who use every borderline cheat in the game to win. Alliances like ASCN who only want to build their own place in the stars get constantly hammered by people with no more of a goal than to cause mass anarchy and to ruin all that others have toiled for many hours to build. I have lost all faith that CCP are capable of stopping the slide into grieferville that this game has become. It's obvious that the DEVS want this kind of game and support this style of game play. And to those that said Sir Molle's post was respectful you need to read it again. It was more self important smack that shows what type of people the players of BOB are. They get off on causing grief and promoting their large egos. This game is no longer fun to play or even read about on the forums. As a member since release I have now had enough of the BOBtards that now rule the game. To watch them continue to pump their already oversized egos is more than this gamer can stand. Good luck CCP with continuing to ruin your once great game. And to all the BOB members, I hope you all get crabs. Maybe the constant itching will keep you off your keyboards and from posting your pathetic tripe.
St Westward Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:52:00 - [313] Originally by: Spaja Saist Edited by: Spaja Saist on 13/12/2006 23:45:55 It's a shame that this once great game has devolved into the piece of **** we have today. The community used to be rather respectful of each other. Now all we have is people like the smacktards of BOB who use every borderline cheat in the game to win. Alliances like ASCN who only want to build their own place in the stars get constantly hammered by people with no more of a goal than to cause mass anarchy and to ruin all that others have toiled for many hours to build. I have lost all faith that CCP are capable of stopping the slide into grieferville that this game has become. It's obvious that the DEVS want this kind of game and support this style of game play. And to those that said Sir Molle's post was respectful you need to read it again. It was more self important smack that shows what type of people the players of BOB are. They get off on causing grief and promoting their large egos. This game is no longer fun to play or even read about on the forums. As a member since release I have now had enough of the BOBtards that now rule the game. To watch them continue to pump their already oversized egos is more than this gamer can stand. Good luck CCP with continuing to ruin your once great game. And to all the BOB members, I hope you all get crabs. Maybe the constant itching will keep you off your keyboards and from posting your pathetic tripe. This is a tough universe. You are unable to adapt, hence I ask you this question: Can I have your stuff?
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.13 23:55:00 - [314] Edited by: Rift Scorn on 13/12/2006 23:59:54 Originally by: Spaja Saist I have lost all faith that CCP are capable of stopping the slide into grieferville that this game has become. It's obvious that the DEVS want this kind of game and support this style of game play. And to those that said Sir Molle's post was respectful you need to read it again. It was more self important smack that shows what type of people the players of BOB are. They get off on causing grief and promoting their large egos. This game is no longer fun to play or even read about on the forums. As a member since release I have now had enough of the BOBtards that now rule the game. To watch them continue to pump their already oversized egos is more than this gamer can stand. Good luck CCP with continuing to ruin your once great game. CIHYS? Edit: Dammit Westward! Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:06:00 - [315] Originally by: Spaja Saist And to all the BOB members, I hope you all get crabs. Maybe the constant itching will keep you off your keyboards and from posting your pathetic tripe. Well, I wouldn't know from personal experience, but you sure make it sound bad. My sympathies. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
CrewSandwich Caldari Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:11:00 - [316] Originally by: Spaja Saist Edited by: Spaja Saist on 13/12/2006 23:45:55 It's a shame that this once great game has devolved into the piece of **** we have today. The community used to be rather respectful of each other. Now all we have is people like the smacktards of BOB who use every borderline cheat in the game to win. Alliances like ASCN who only want to build their own place in the stars get constantly hammered by people with no more of a goal than to cause mass anarchy and to ruin all that others have toiled for many hours to build. I have lost all faith that CCP are capable of stopping the slide into grieferville that this game has become. It's obvious that the DEVS want this kind of game and support this style of game play. And to those that said Sir Molle's post was respectful you need to read it again. It was more self important smack that shows what type of people the players of BOB are. They get off on causing grief and promoting their large egos. This game is no longer fun to play or even read about on the forums. As a member since release I have now had enough of the BOBtards that now rule the game. To watch them continue to pump their already oversized egos is more than this gamer can stand. Good luck CCP with continuing to ruin your once great game. And to all the BOB members, I hope you all get crabs. Maybe the constant itching will keep you off your keyboards and from posting your pathetic tripe. I am a BOB smacktard and I sir take offense to your post.
Lord Draco Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:21:00 - [317] Originally by: Spaja Saist Edited by: Spaja Saist on 13/12/2006 23:45:55 It's a shame that this once great game has devolved into the piece of **** we have today. The community used to be rather respectful of each other. Now all we have is people like the smacktards of BOB who use every borderline cheat in the game to win. Alliances like ASCN who only want to build their own place in the stars get constantly hammered by people with no more of a goal than to cause mass anarchy and to ruin all that others have toiled for many hours to build. I have lost all faith that CCP are capable of stopping the slide into grieferville that this game has become. It's obvious that the DEVS want this kind of game and support this style of game play. And to those that said Sir Molle's post was respectful you need to read it again. It was more self important smack that shows what type of people the players of BOB are. They get off on causing grief and promoting their large egos. This game is no longer fun to play or even read about on the forums. As a member since release I have now had enough of the BOBtards that now rule the game. To watch them continue to pump their already oversized egos is more than this gamer can stand. Good luck CCP with continuing to ruin your once great game. And to all the BOB members, I hope you all get crabs. Maybe the constant itching will keep you off your keyboards and from posting your pathetic tripe. Yes, ASCN never attracked and took stuff off others. They never stuck a knife in etics back to secure their own lands did they. You sir need to step away from the keyboard while you are behind.
Alasse Cuthalion TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:22:00 - [318] Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 14/12/2006 00:28:29 sigh :(
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:25:00 - [319] so it has come to calling people smacktards....sad tbh i dont realy expect better from the peanut gallery dont let the door hit you on the way out
m0jo Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:26:00 - [320] Originally by: Fortior Originally by: Rebellion Are you not entertained? Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here? 5 points for best quote of the thread! Nice job Rebellion... Or should I say MAXIMUS!! tinfoil hat on Also, my spideysense is tingling. It tells me a lock is coming. Hope not this is getting interesting.

Yuki Li Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.14 00:55:00 - [321] Problem is Nez, quotes aside, that diagnosis seems to cover the majority of the "anti-BoB" "forces". The bobdev tinfoil hat wasn't an ASCN invention, as far as i'm aware, but with that trash flying around, joe idiot is bound to find himself compelled to believe any and all rumours about the guys kicking him up and down the stairs in his own house/region. This, however, again does not apply to the entire member base, pride aside there's always a handful with common sense. Unfortunately they usually have the common sense to stay off this forum, so you probably won't be hearing from any of them. I'm not by any means sticking up for ASCN, hell, 1. i'm ex-BoB, and 2. currently i'm at war with ASCN. (I've spent a few hours hunting and all i've seen is people either docked or flying shuttles...). Website / Recruiting
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 01:06:00 - [322] Yuki, we're not in Empire. But hell.. come on down to RIT. I'll be happy to greet you.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:34:00 - [323] You shot down an empty ship using a yet undocumented bug. So ******* what. I shot down an empty G shuttle in the orbit of the sun in Oursualert once. You havent seen me gloat about it.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 08:38:00 - [324] Originally by: vipeer You shot down an empty ship using a yet undocumented bug. So ******* what. I shot down an empty G shuttle in the orbit of the sun in Oursualert once. You havent seen me gloat about it. .... passed onto your opponents by a bent GM/DEV no doubt.... Yuki Li, I rest my case. This is Cyvok's real legacy.... denial.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 10:43:00 - [325] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 14/12/2006 08:43:14 Originally by: vipeer You shot down an empty ship using a yet undocumented bug. So ******* what. I shot down an empty G shuttle in the orbit of the sun in Oursualert once. You havent seen me gloat about it. .... passed onto your opponents by a bent GM/DEV no doubt.... Yuki Li, I rest my case. This is Cyvok's real legacy.... denial. PS - Lets hope Virtuozzo will change all that. Nez, you have no idea what you are talking about regarding the titan loss. In any event, what will your legacy be? "hey anyone remember that guy that used to like to sit on the sidelines never risking or commiting to anything but just chucking in the odd snide comment?"
Lollerskittles Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:06:00 - [326] A story I doubt I will get bored hearing about. BoB's titan kill makes me feel all warm and fuzzy deep down in my special spot. hawt. '' Shake me, shake me like a British Nanny!
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:11:00 - [327] Molle knows what I am talking about... Time will prove me right. I will say no more.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:19:00 - [328] Originally by: Dawn Princess Nez, you have no idea what you are talking about regarding the titan loss. so.. enlighten us... What is it about the titan loss... that hasn't been stated in the OP or not already discussed in this thread? Is the OP not an accurate account on what happened that fateful day? Originally by: Avon To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. .. coupled with the follwing information from CCP Originally by: CCP The PvP timer is split into three 15-minute periods. Whenever you are engaged in a player vs. player fight, the first timer starts. It is refreshed whenever that anything happens in combat, including when you get fired upon (even if you do not fire back). If you log off within 15 minutes of this timer's activation, the other two will kick into action. Note that your onscreen timer countdown may not take into account events that cause the timer to get refreshed. The second timer starts once you log off. Your ship will be warped to a random part of space and will remain there for another 15 minutes. Note that if the enemy has warp scrambling abilities, he can keep you in place for those 15 minutes and fire at you all the while. The phrase "sitting duck" comes to mind. If your ship gets destroyed, the third and last 15 minute timer will start. This time, it's your pod that does the emergency warp and remains in space for the duration of the timer. By any stretch of the imagination, from the available information in this thread the Titan loss is an "open and shut" case. Unless ofc.. there is something else to add... well is there?
Hunkof BurningLove Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:29:00 - [329] Edited by: Hunkof BurningLove on 14/12/2006 11:34:32 Edited by: Hunkof BurningLove on 14/12/2006 11:33:24 Nez you have completely missed the point. Originally by: Avon To clarify the aggro timer: 18:14 CYVOK activates DD, timer starts, he can not log out until 18:29 18:27 CYVOK logs out, the aggro timer has not expired, and so it resets back to a full 15 minutes. 18:36 CYVOK's Avatar is destroyed. 18:42 Aggression timer would have been over and his ship would have vanished. The point is, no one knows when CYVOK actually logged out. BOB have no proof of when he logged out, neither do ASCN. That is the point, when did Cyvok actually log, its his word against BOB's. Edit:Posted with wrong char but can't arsed re post, this will probably get nuked by mods. :S. CM.
konkord eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:38:00 - [330] Edited by: konkord on 14/12/2006 11:38:38 Originally by: Nez Perces random bleatage and accusational comments from someone very gobby yet, rather apparentely, not involved in anything at all. No really, who are you?!? ----------------------

Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:40:00 - [331] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/12/2006 11:41:41 The gm's know when he logged, they haven't given it back, case closed ? Undocumented bug my ass. I can't believe you guys still swallow the excuses of Cvyok even now the man's gone ffs. NEWSFLASH ! You can actually post on your own forums now, and talk in your own channels. No need to stfu or get blacklisted/banned/your post deleted/your corp kicked when you've got something bad to say about his almightyness and his cuture of denial, he's G.O.N.E., capiche ? Jeez man you guys are something else Old blog
Brian Detaah Destructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:40:00 - [332] Ah grasp the straw from my hand, young grasshopper. The reason that the specific time of cyvok logs was choosen is that the covops pilot scanned his titan and he was not in space. So logic demands that he at the latestwas logged at this time. Your forum fu is still weak, young grasshopper ------------------------------------------------ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' `The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.' `The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'
Hunkof BurningLove Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:43:00 - [333] Edited by: Hunkof BurningLove on 14/12/2006 11:44:00 Originally by: Rod Blaine The gm's know when he logged, they haven't given it back, case closed ? How do you know they haven't given him it back? Only asking because I want to know for sure what happened with his petition. Edit: God damn this alt! Chris M.
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:51:00 - [334] Originally by: Rod Blaine You can actually post on your own forums now, and talk in your own channels. oh the irony.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:53:00 - [335] Originally by: Hunkof BurningLove Edited by: Hunkof BurningLove on 14/12/2006 11:44:00 Originally by: Rod Blaine The gm's know when he logged, they haven't given it back, case closed ? How do you know they haven't given him it back? Only asking because I want to know for sure what happened with his petition. Edit: God damn this alt! Chris M. We technically don't, aside from the fact that if it had been, neither cyvok nor a random number of other ascn members would have been able to resist rubbing the fact in and using it to acuse us of abusing more 'undocumented bugs'. I dont doubt the petition has already been concluded btw, CCP aren't letting this one sit in a 3 week queue since it's something of an event. So, we have ascn accusing (as usual), cyvok saying goodbye with a last sneer towards us (as could be expected), and alot of people running around acting like Eve's going to die. Wait three days, things will be back to normal. There's really very little to actually see here. Old blog
Dawn Princess eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 11:56:00 - [336] Originally by: Rod Blaine cyvok saying goodbye with a last sneer towards us (as could be expected) OMG I am going into irony overload here!!!
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:02:00 - [337] ASCN has not used a Titan in this system.,, It is a elaberate (spelling 4tw!) insurance job and the authorities have been notified. ASCN has 7 titans at the moment with 4 more finished in next two weeks. More intell to follow....dot dot ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 12:14:00 - [338] Originally by: Bretonia ASCN has not used a Titan in this system.,, It is a elaberate (spelling 4tw!) insurance job and the authorities have been notified. ASCN has 7 titans at the moment with 4 more finished in next two weeks. More intell to follow....dot dot I hope you are actually talking about battleships and not cruisers -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.14 14:41:00 - [339] Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 14/12/2006 11:41:41 The gm's know when he logged, they haven't given it back, case closed ? Undocumented bug my ass. I can't believe you guys still swallow the excuses of Cvyok even now the man's gone ffs. NEWSFLASH ! You can actually post on your own forums now, and talk in your own channels. No need to stfu or get blacklisted/banned/your post deleted/your corp kicked when you've got something bad to say about his almightyness and his cuture of denial, he's G.O.N.E., capiche ? Jeez man you guys are something else Yeah, it might be the best thing to come out of this whole mess; now being about to actually use the forums as they were intended part of our subscription. Mind you, I will still most likely get afflicted with the aforementioned reprecussions from my recent posting, but they have far much less meaning now and eventually become irrelevant. Unfortunately, I understand the reasoning for the ban - in order to maintan control, one first has to command the communications medium. Which, funny as it is being completely opposite to ASCN's supposed 'vision' of having an empire like space in 0.0. If anything it was completely contradictory to that vision as like so many things I have learned in my time there. As for accepted the excuses, I am definitely one who never did. In fact, I am one who is quite critical of the leadership who seem to be more interested in goals that lead to personal benefit rather than that of the organization. The 'real propaganda machine' will try and label me a bob spy or whatever for even considering such remarks, but alas, yet another excuse to remove someone who is pointing out obvious deficiencies. Some food for thought. If you have seen V for Vendetta the movie (Hugo Weaving, Natalie Prtman) you will notice that the evil Government's slogan is 'Strength through Unity. Unit through Faith'. Ironic how ASCN's uses the same motto.
bambina111	Posted - 2006.12.14 16:02:00 - [340] Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? Hi, How can you judje something as you have no power to control?how MANY times have you visited dctors recently?if you havent in last 2-3 years and suddenly now you are ill....what do we think of?astronomical chances that this is not supposed to be happening?can you control a machine combined with some bugged software like windows?is this mashine powered by something that never fails?ON top of this what would you say if he realy couldnt log on due to a queue trafic jam?are you the one who controls this again to know this is so imposible to happen?HOW astronomical are chances that you try to be more realistic that anything else?Do you live into the game,which never has any problems-OR you realy are living in a life full of problems?think,grow and if you decide to post again dont whine for nothing..... congrats on blowing up titan,but if he proves right to be logged off 2mins after aggro timer was gone?is it gonna be some exploit after all? I hope cyvok to be honest about everything and gets the titan reimbursed.then will enjoy to see BOB to erase these posts here....god luck out there

Helplessandlost Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:01:00 - [341] ^^^ Huh? /me wonders what happened to the guy with the big "Revalation"? "Don't take life too seriously, nobody gets out alive!" http://images.filecloud.com/283570/hal201.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Farham Gallente AWE Corporation Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.14 17:27:00 - [342] Quote: Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? I want to preface my comment with stating that I have no opinion on the matter beyond: its over and I still have enemies that wish to kill me and take my space. Having said that, from a technical stand point an easy way for a PC to reboot or to run into trouble where it might not have before is the video card or chipsets over heating. An event like say, firing off a DD weapon in an already cluttered system full of battle with a highly detailed and large ship model could easily send an already over heating video card straight into reboot city. Again, as an average run of the mill ASCN member speaking, the Titan issue is over. With the weekend here and the very strong likelihood of a massive onslaught in the next 24-48 hours on our territory...I have bigger things to deal with
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:26:00 - [343] Edited by: Avon on 14/12/2006 18:25:54 Originally by: Farham Having said that, from a technical stand point an easy way for a PC to reboot or to run into trouble where it might not have before is the video card or chipsets over heating. An event like say, firing off a DD weapon in an already cluttered system full of battle with a highly detailed and large ship model could easily send an already over heating video card straight into reboot city. To be fair though, you would expect it to overheat at the time, not 13 minutes later. ASCN have to stop with the whole excuse culture and accept that at some point they are going to have to start taking some responsibility for their failures. If they do, and they can snap themselves out of the whole denial thing, then maybe they can start working as an effective alliance. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.14 18:38:00 - [344] Originally by: Farham Quote: Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? I want to preface my comment with stating that I have no opinion on the matter beyond: its over and I still have enemies that wish to kill me and take my space. Having said that, from a technical stand point an easy way for a PC to reboot or to run into trouble where it might not have before is the video card or chipsets over heating. An event like say, firing off a DD weapon in an already cluttered system full of battle with a highly detailed and large ship model could easily send an already over heating video card straight into reboot city. Again, as an average run of the mill ASCN member speaking, the Titan issue is over. With the weekend here and the very strong likelihood of a massive onslaught in the next 24-48 hours on our territory...I have bigger things to deal with Do you like, know anything about computers? Eve isn't a very graphically intensive game, my 2 year old laptop runs it great infact. Just one excuse after another with you clowns. You all can't make up your mind as to why things went as they did because you refuse to admit to what actually happened.
Andor Traxel Nebula Rasa Holdings Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2006.12.14 19:00:00 - [345] Originally by: CYVOK Congratulations indeed, enjoy your empty "victories". -CYVOK- I changed my tune away from what I knew in my heart, but after reading this. I have to reconsider. This accussation speaks for itself. This is my sentiment now exactly. Enjoy that other "empty" victory as well. Sad to see you go Cyvok, I don't know you, but you are a legend. You will be missed.
drunkenmaster Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.15 08:09:00 - [346] Edited by: drunkenmaster on 15/12/2006 08:13:11 Originally by: Dawn Princess Originally by: Rod Blaine cyvok saying goodbye with a last sneer towards us (as could be expected) OMG I am going into irony overload here!!! Awesome. Could you do my shirts? They're wrinkled as hell. .
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.15 09:32:00 - [347] Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. I have a few comments to the above statement..... First of all, AFAIK, that ship NEVER left a POS shield except for one of the following 3 reasons: #1. To cyno out somewhere (from just outside a pos shield). #2. To fire the DD through a cyno. #3. To log off at a safespot. Since it was 80au from everything and had just fired the DD, the (to me at least) obvious reason for it to be there was #3. Secondly, and more important.... Ok, let's say the computer restarted. It happens once in a while with Micro$oft products. Now, say you're flying your very expensive ship when your computer restarts, and you have aggro: What will you do? #1. Say 'Crap, I might as well go get some coffee. It'll be allright.'. #2. Wait for the computer to boot, restart EVE, fly ship to safety. If it's #1, the pilot is an idiot who deserves to loose his ship. #2 should take a MAXIMUM of 2 minutes. Valora spotted the ship with the pilot offline 18:27. If this was the time of the restart, the pilot should have been back at the latest at 18:29. When he logs in again, AFAIK he warps back to the spot where he was disconnected, meaning he'll get away from the BoB ships gathering (I may be wrong on game mechanics here, hence the AFAIK, but at least he could call in help). He could then with no problem warp back to the POS. In any case, #2 COULDN'T be what happened as the pilot DIDN'T log in again. So, either the computer restarted and the pilot didn't bother log in, in which case he deserved to loose the ship, or the whole story about the restart is a desparate (and not very well thought out) lie to save face. QED! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Arakk Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.15 11:32:00 - [348] c'mon people im less than a year old and even i know that timer resets if you log before 15. it says this on the eve site as linked previously by someone...personally it surprises me how many people dont know this. its not new. killmails show that he fired the DD at 18:14...even an ascn member confirmed that, if youre too lazy to be arsed to look at the killmails. an ascn member claims he logged at 31-32...well as everyone can see in the fraps video...his shields were entirely gone at :32(and if you watch the video it takes nearly 60 seconds for the eve clock to reach :33 so even the notion that he logged at 30 is a bit off). therefore thats clear evidence theres no way he logged off at that time. it took 2 minutes to kill the armor...so if we approximate 2 minutes to kill the shields.add another VERY optimistic 2 minutes to scan him out and warp the fleet in (probably took a minute or so longer than that). so lets say that all of bobs dreads arrived and managed to instantly go into siege mode with the rest of the bob fleet at 18:30 (approximating 2 minutes on shield kill). add the OPTIMISTIC 2 minutes to scan AND warp fleet in AND enter siege mode. and youre at 28:00...meaning even thinking this optimistically (possibly unREAListically) theres NO WAY he logged off at 18:29 or later. to say that would be to say that bob managed to scan a ship out, warp a fleet in (think about how long it takes to warp a dread), enter siege mode, and remove a titan's shields in 3 minutes...which is a bit ridiculous. and all this crap about he should have had only a couple minutes left on timer...wtf #1 dont u ppl read posts before you post? #2 im just over half a year old...i knew that timer resets 3 months into the game back in bosboger. eve-online.com ... use it. you basically have 4 options for an explanation to this phenominnna a titan pilot that didnt know this?! unlikely a titan pilot that didnt care?! unlikely a titan pilot that underestimated his adversaries focus and attention?! probable...but unlikely. OR a titan pilot that cant do addition?! BINGO!!!! (imo of COURSE) i dont buy the tech problems theory seeing as he waited AT MOST 14 minutes before logging...its too close to the button and supports the mathematically inept theory.
Bretonia Gallente Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.15 14:27:00 - [349] The reason we lost the titan is bob has a CTD module fitted on their ships. When they fire at you people CTD and cannot get back in until ur podded to station, plus BOB are all gms and and and and they steal kids milk money and and and they they eat children..... arrrgghhh /me runs round naked screaming of the horror ------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------
Dal Thrax Caldari House Of Troy	Posted - 2006.12.15 23:45:00 - [350] Originally by: bambina111 Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? Hi, How can you judje something as you have no power to control?how MANY times have you visited dctors recently?if you havent in last 2-3 years and suddenly now you are ill....what do we think of?astronomical chances that this is not supposed to be happening?can you control a machine combined with some bugged software like windows?is this mashine powered by something that never fails?ON top of this what would you say if he realy couldnt log on due to a queue trafic jam?are you the one who controls this again to know this is so imposible to happen?HOW astronomical are chances that you try to be more realistic that anything else?Do you live into the game,which never has any problems-OR you realy are living in a life full of problems?think,grow and if you decide to post again dont whine for nothing..... congrats on blowing up titan,but if he proves right to be logged off 2mins after aggro timer was gone?is it gonna be some exploit after all? I hope cyvok to be honest about everything and gets the titan reimbursed.then will enjoy to see BOB to erase these posts here....god luck out there Actually its quite possible CYVOK's machine restarted on him. The Titan was killed on December 12, 2006. A Microsoft security patch was released on December 12, 2006. The Titan was killed at 18:00+ GMT. GMT is 6+ to U.S. CST. Microsoft's default auto-update time is Noon (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). CYVOK just got out of the military and seemed to indicate that he had moved i.e. changed timezones. The do you want to restart now, will restart in 5 minutes if you don't tell me not to, window will keep coming up until you restart at about twenty minute intervals. CYVOK was in the middle of a heated fleet battle and seems to have indicated that he was having computer problems. Conclusion: CYVOK was droped from EvE to desktop by a systems message and hit the window to return to game without hitting restart later. Five minutes later his machine rebooted and he had to wait for his machine to do a full restart with a new patch before he could log back in Disclaimer: Not taking sides just pointing out that CYVOK's story is plausible.

Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.15 23:53:00 - [351] Edited by: Dracorimus on 15/12/2006 23:53:53 Can I just say ROFL I have auto-updates too so please quit with the excuses and god knows what other rubbish its just laughable now. Why didn't my PC reset itself then ? ROFL please. Titan is dead. Period. -
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:02:00 - [352] Now it all makes sense.. Oveur, Bill Gates and Sir Molle are one and the same person. No wonder Cyvok's PC crashed via auto-update and then the petition was denied..
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:05:00 - [353] omg lol, hands over the tinfoil hat crown
Dal Thrax Caldari House Of Troy	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:17:00 - [354] Originally by: Dracorimus Edited by: Dracorimus on 15/12/2006 23:53:53 Can I just say ROFL I have auto-updates too so please quit with the excuses and god knows what other rubbish its just laughable now. Why didn't my PC reset itself then ? ROFL please. Titan is dead. Period. Um because you set your autoupdate to some time other than the default, because different versions of windows have different default times (so that Microsofts website dosn't get hit all at once) because it is noon as set by the local systems clock not GMT, because it didn't happen that way and I'm only analyzing the reported data in light of the restart now box that keeps popping up on my damn screen every twenty minutes? Take your pick. I didn't say that I knew what happened only that there was plausible data supporting the ASCN account of events. Like I say I'm not taking sides, I just do data analysis in real life and think this is interesting. That said if SirMolle or other trusted BoB leaders don't have Shrikes login for an emergency situation, you might want to think of doing so.
Caybn E'vangel Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:21:00 - [355] Originally by: Dal Thrax That said if SirMolle or other trusted BoB leaders don't have Shrikes login for an emergency situation, you might want to think of doing so. Not likely, SirMolle and Shrike hav'nt been getting along very well lately. I don't want the world, I just want your half.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 00:29:00 - [356] Edited by: Dr Einkeisel on 16/12/2006 00:29:16
Ku'Gras Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 01:24:00 - [357] Originally by: Dal Thrax Like I say I'm not taking sides, I just do data analysis in real life and think this is interesting.
Lord XSiV Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2006.12.16 01:40:00 - [358] Originally by: Caybn E'vangel Originally by: Dal Thrax That said if SirMolle or other trusted BoB leaders don't have Shrikes login for an emergency situation, you might want to think of doing so. Not likely, SirMolle and Shrike hav'nt been getting along very well lately. Does that mean there is the possibility we can borrow Shrike for a few weeks? Nothing like a personal internal struggle to make yourself stronger :)
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 03:39:00 - [359] Originally by: Dal Thrax Conclusion: CYVOK was droped from EvE to desktop by a systems message and hit the window to return to game without hitting restart later. Five minutes later his machine rebooted and he had to wait for his machine to do a full restart with a new patch before he could log back in Disclaimer: Not taking sides just pointing out that CYVOK's story is plausible. BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! you.are.awesome! Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.12.16 06:16:00 - [360] Originally by: Dal Thrax Microsoft's default auto-update time is Noon (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). AFAIK, the default update time is 3am. Sorry.

the Poet Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 07:00:00 - [361] Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde Originally by: Dal Thrax Microsoft's default auto-update time is Noon (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). AFAIK, the default update time is 3am. Sorry. AFAIK it's right after you start taking structure damage, or so ASCN would have you belive. 6 months and I still have no face :\
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:34:00 - [362] latest newsflash: BoB now controls Microsoft and uses that to hax peoples computars and restart. Quickly, everyone get linux! Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
Karunel Princeps Corp	Posted - 2006.12.16 14:29:00 - [363] Dal Thrax wins the Thread! Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
Alita Tiphares	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:36:00 - [364] Originally by: Nez Perces Now it all makes sense.. Oveur, Bill Gates and Sir Molle are one and the same person. No wonder Cyvok's PC crashed via auto-update and then the petition was denied.. You do realize that the more you fanboy for BoB, the less liekly they are to accept you as a member, right?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.12.16 15:42:00 - [365] Edited by: Troubadour on 16/12/2006 15:43:04 oh i get it, because it was windoze's fault, that makes it ok!... (cedega 4tw) ...One would think that if you were going to fly the most expensive ship in the game in a fleet op, you would turn off stuff like automatic updates and virus scans. It's still his own fault.
Dal Thrax Caldari House Of Troy	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:45:00 - [366] Originally by: Hast latest newsflash: BoB now controls Microsoft and uses that to hax peoples computars and restart. Quickly, everyone get linux! A microsoft update was released on December 12, 2006 http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-dec.mspx You certainly didn't have anything to do with the release. I'm just bringing up the point that CYVOK might have gotten extremely unlucky with a system restart. Don't see how any of this matters anyway except for making sure it dosn't happen to any of the other Titan owners (like um BoB), CCP isn't going to reimburse a Titan for anything less than a CTD documented by their software.
Dal Thrax Caldari House Of Troy	Posted - 2006.12.16 16:47:00 - [367] Edited by: Dal Thrax on 16/12/2006 16:48:31 Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde Originally by: Dal Thrax Microsoft's default auto-update time is Noon (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). AFAIK, the default update time is 3am. Sorry. I thought 3 a.m. was for corporate systems and the varius home editions used different times so that microsofts website didn't get hit at once from the more wired timezones.
Dashhammer II	Posted - 2006.12.17 10:11:00 - [368] Edited by: Dashhammer II on 17/12/2006 10:12:03 This really upsets me. When the ASCN - BOB war started I was expecting a conflict on an epic scale with thousands of glorious battles lined up. Then halfway through it turns into this? Here is a point that no one can argue- If the titan was destroyed by a technical problem then this arguement is between CCP and ASCN. Cyvok could have in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM expected BOB to psychicly sense that Cyvok was having an issue and then postpone thier offensive. BOB came there to fight and they did. There were no hax or exploits involved. They did what anyone would do. They did exactly what I did to 4 pirates yesterday. Scan Probe>GangWarp>Gank. That is not in dispute. If ASCN has a problem with technical issues then bring it up with CCP becuase frankly, the fact that this war has degenerated into accusations and whining disgusts me.
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:13:00 - [369] Originally by: Dal Thrax Actually its quite possible CYVOK's machine restarted on him. The Titan was killed on December 12, 2006. A Microsoft security patch was released during the day on December 12, 2006 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-dec.mspx). [...] You are partly correct. Is wßs a microsoft update, but it was caused by another update. Quote: Bulletin Identifier: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS06-1337 Bulletin Title: Vulnerability in Windows Could Allow Crashes and Disconnects (926255) Executive Summary: A vulnerability exists in Windows that could allow crashes, performance problems and network problems in EvE-online on an affected system. An attacker must have valid EvE=online logon credentials and be a member of Band of Brothers [also know as "CCP", "GM" or "DEV"] to exploit this vulnerability. Detailed Information: The vulnerability allows a member of Band of Brothers [BoB] to login to a machine of a member of Ascendant Frontier [ASCN] and control several Operating System states of that machine. Know controllable states are: * Crashing or rebooting the machine * Causing the machine to reboot extremely slow. * Disallowing the machine to connect to certain locations on the internet [such as the EvE-online servers, or certain TeamSpeak adresses] * Warping ships to safespots 80AU away in EvE-Online. * Modifying the EvE-online client to prolong certain aspects of the client [such as PvP-timers, ship hitpoints and login-capabilities] Maximum Severity Rating: Important to members of the HC in ASCN. Harmless to all other EvE-online players. Impact of Vulnerability: Possible loss of ships, especially Titans are affected by this vulnerability. Affected Software: Windows, EvE-online. For more information, see the Affected Software and Download Locations section. Known Workarounds: Don't fly expensive ships if you are possibly affected by this vulnerability. _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:01:00 - [370] This update reminds me of Dead man on campus and the dude who kept thinking that bill gates is just conspiring to kill him "Lord Samaiel, Rise " BNC Vs CELES Video

Plan Neun Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2006.12.21 14:15:00 - [371] Edited by: Plan Neun on 21/12/2006 14:16:42 Originally by: Dal Thrax Edited by: Dal Thrax on 16/12/2006 17:02:55 Originally by: bambina111 Originally by: Lakedaimon Quote: For the record I did not log off, my computer restarted without warning, something aside from that day that has never happened before. Wait so in all those years your computer never restarted on its own, yet this magically occurs when you just happen to fly the titan, shortly after firing the DD (an action that is frequently followed by you logging off), so at that exact critical moment your computer decides to spontaneously reboot? Do you know how astronomical the chances are for something like that to actually happen? Hi, How can you judje something as you have no power to control?how MANY times have you visited dctors recently?if you havent in last 2-3 years and suddenly now you are ill....what do we think of?astronomical chances that this is not supposed to be happening?can you control a machine combined with some bugged software like windows?is this mashine powered by something that never fails?ON top of this what would you say if he realy couldnt log on due to a queue trafic jam?are you the one who controls this again to know this is so imposible to happen?HOW astronomical are chances that you try to be more realistic that anything else?Do you live into the game,which never has any problems-OR you realy are living in a life full of problems?think,grow and if you decide to post again dont whine for nothing..... congrats on blowing up titan,but if he proves right to be logged off 2mins after aggro timer was gone?is it gonna be some exploit after all? I hope cyvok to be honest about everything and gets the titan reimbursed.then will enjoy to see BOB to erase these posts here....god luck out there Actually its quite possible CYVOK's machine restarted on him. The Titan was killed on December 12, 2006. A Microsoft security patch was released during the day on December 12, 2006 (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms06-dec.mspx). The Titan was killed at 18:00+ GMT. GMT is 7+ to U.S. CMT. Microsoft's default auto-update time is 3 a.m. by local system clock i.e. GMT +7 if you're in US CMT. The do you want to restart now, will restart in 5 minutes if you don't tell me not to, window will keep coming up until you restart at about twenty minute intervals. CYVOK was in the middle of a heated fleet battle and seems to have indicated that he was having computer problems. Conclusion: CYVOK could have been droped from EvE to desktop by a systems message and hit the window to return to game without hitting restart later. Five minutes later his machine rebooted and he had to wait for his machine to do a full restart with a new patch before he could log back in . This can take a bit depending on the system. Disclaimer: Not taking sides, just have sympathy for the guy that got a big ship popped. BoB and ASCN may have better inside information on what actually happened. This is strictly based off posts on this board. An observation on this issue. I think it is strange that CCP dont cut through all this crap and give a _complete_ neutral analyze report not this tabloid part recently launched. What BoB or Sir Molle states or leaders of ASCN is of little or none interest due too have all the propaganda **** layed out here on Galnet. As long as CCP keep their cards onto the chest we will have several versions. The Boob and ASCN version, the tabloid CCP version recently laid out and now conspiracy versions. "I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
Hey You Constructive Influence	Posted - 2006.12.21 17:36:00 - [372] well CCP did responded didnt it? Cyvok petitioned, got refused, left game. End of Story we are right you are not... simple as that. now back to killing things To fall in love and fall in debt To alcohol and cigarettes and Mary Jane To keep me insane and doing someone else's cocain
Ciuci Caldari Delta Team Academy	Posted - 2006.12.21 21:37:00 - [373] any good screenshots from this epic battle ? plz redirect me :)
Sirilonwe Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.31 11:32:00 - [374] Edited by: Sirilonwe on 31/12/2006 11:33:16 Originally by: Avon 4.5 Billion ISK (approx) for each ship it killed .. hardly value for money. Titan's aren't meant to be cost effective. It's a huge **** ____________________________________ A gift for pirates
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:07:00 - [375] Originally by: Blacklight There's nothing to debate about this Nez, it's utterly ridiculous to suggest that CCP favours any one player or group of players above any other. There's just a group of people who's pride is severely damaged by getting outclassed in a video game and as a consequence are lashing out. It's a storm in a teacup that will be yesterdays news within a few days just like every other drama bomb, another piece of Eve history. Coming from a person who was eager enough to engage big time in pvp in a video game throughout christmas and will probably be pvping into new year...Yeah right. You really are detached ;) As for CCP favouring one group of players over another: Everyone can open ingame map and see for themselves "DED deadspace report". There are 5 large masses of complexes on the map: 4 COSMOS constellations of Algintal, Ani, Okkelen and Araz and the 0.0 region of Delve with 13 complexes firmly under the control of certain alliance that everyone know who it is. I'm sure it was just a roll of the dice that put all those complexes into Delve... Yeah right. As for Molle petitioning and the GM told him that CYVOK will not be getting his ship back: Either Molle is a flat out liar or GM was in breach of CCP's internal rules regarding ingame petitions which say that NO petition will be discussed about with 3rd party. CYVOK being the 1st party and the GM that was receiving the petition being the 2nd party. How i know that? I myself had the very same example. Me and 30 other downed a faction fitted vagabond and a few days later the dude convos me and tells me he got his ships back and i should delete the killmail which is not valid, so he claims. I could not belive it and i wrote a petition to CCP to confirm so i could ammend the killbard. The answer i received was they NEVER discuss petitions with 3rd parties. Posts of ASCN forums were being posted all the time and nothing was done about it. When a part of BoBo forum was posted the poster quickly got a 24 hour ban. Talk about dual standards So yeah. I am a bit concerned with the obvious bias CCP is showing when dealing with BoBo. Either that or Molle is a liar. Pick your favourite and pick it apart ;) Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Imran Fate.	Posted - 2006.12.31 12:35:00 - [376] bob is teh suc. EwokPoacher: Why hate Gallente? Blackest Sheep: Because we are beautiful Ch33z0rs: Pirating is such a harsh term. I prefer unil
Jokim	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:32:00 - [377] Very interesting event how often does big scale battles like this happen ? (not necessarily having titans in them) this has definately rekindled my interest in searching for a 0.0 corp
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.12.31 21:43:00 - [378] There are 1000s of ships killed in 0.0 every day.. check out the big alliances, and look for ships killed in past 24 hours. You will clearly see which systems had a big war in them ;p
Lorth Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.01 01:15:00 - [379] Originally by: vipeer [ So yeah. I am a bit concerned with the obvious bias CCP is showing when dealing with BoBo. Either that or Molle is a liar. Pick your favourite and pick it apart ;) Well if we're talking about obvious things, we should consider that Molle him self hasn't actually said a thing about a petition. So goes your "the GM's are obviously biased" theroy when your going on hearsay posted on the forum by at best a 4th party. Heck if I had thought of it, I would be posting stuff like this about Seleene, just to see the silly gulible people ranting and raving, for no reason what so ever on the forums.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:11:00 - [380] Originally by: Lorth Originally by: vipeer [ So yeah. I am a bit concerned with the obvious bias CCP is showing when dealing with BoBo. Either that or Molle is a liar. Pick your favourite and pick it apart ;) Well if we're talking about obvious things, we should consider that Molle him self hasn't actually said a thing about a petition. So goes your "the GM's are obviously biased" theroy when your going on hearsay posted on the forum by at best a 4th party. Heck if I had thought of it, I would be posting stuff like this about Seleene, just to see the silly gulible people ranting and raving, for no reason what so ever on the forums. Actually Molle did say he petitioned and the GM told him CYVOK will not get his ship back. Somewhere in this thread is a sentence from Molle that says: "I never lie." and is dirrectly connected to the question "Did the GM told him that CYVOK will not get his ship back." Molle announced to his people CAVOK will never get his ship back. That makes him either a liar because as per CCP's own regulations Molle CANNOT get access to that information or the GM is favoring / biased / whatever; and gave Molle information which neither me or you can get and we both pay the same $15 per month as he does. So if i am inclied to belive Molle's own words saying he is not a liar that particular fact raises a serious concern about impartiallity of CCP's own staff in matters that touch BoB alliance in any way. Why would a GM knowingly divulge classified information? Was he tricked by cunning words in the petition? I doubt CCP would even consider hiring someone that naive and stupid. So... Molle. Which is it? Are you a liar or not? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:

Sochin Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:19:00 - [381] Originally by: vipeer Originally by: Lorth Originally by: vipeer [ So yeah. I am a bit concerned with the obvious bias CCP is showing when dealing with BoBo. Either that or Molle is a liar. Pick your favourite and pick it apart ;) Well if we're talking about obvious things, we should consider that Molle him self hasn't actually said a thing about a petition. So goes your "the GM's are obviously biased" theroy when your going on hearsay posted on the forum by at best a 4th party. Heck if I had thought of it, I would be posting stuff like this about Seleene, just to see the silly gulible people ranting and raving, for no reason what so ever on the forums. Actually Molle did say he petitioned and the GM told him CYVOK will not get his ship back. Somewhere in this thread is a sentence from Molle that says: "I never lie." and is dirrectly connected to the question "Did the GM told him that CYVOK will not get his ship back." Molle announced to his people CAVOK will never get his ship back. That makes him either a liar because as per CCP's own regulations Molle CANNOT get access to that information or the GM is favoring / biased / whatever; and gave Molle information which neither me or you can get and we both pay the same $15 per month as he does. So if i am inclied to belive Molle's own words saying he is not a liar that particular fact raises a serious concern about impartiallity of CCP's own staff in matters that touch BoB alliance in any way. Why would a GM knowingly divulge classified information? Was he tricked by cunning words in the petition? I doubt CCP would even consider hiring someone that naive and stupid. So... Molle. Which is it? Are you a liar or not? I love how your sig says "chaining bobo in south feyth" but you've only got three kills against bob (only one a bs) and four losses (all battleships). Seems more like we're chaining you. Nemo me impune lacessit
Havras The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 00:20:00 - [382] This thread should have died a long time ago. This kind of crap does nobody any good.
CamMan Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:11:00 - [383] Originally by: vipeer .... insert tinfoil hat wearing content .... You poor clueless little man! how did Molle know? he must be a liar! he must be in bed with CCP! Delve must be one of the best reasons because BoB are there! ... now remove tinfoil hats ... Molle along with a lot of other people because he (and obviously a lot of other people) are much smarter then you, Molle doesnt sleep with CCP, only with fridges (occasionally). BoB are in delve because delve is a good region. It is not a perfect region either it still has its flaws. Now before you post anymore drivel just think first. for the Necro no this thread, all i will say is that necro'ing should not be done in public. Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
Tritessa Pilkington	Posted - 2007.01.02 01:14:00 - [384] Wow that Titan had a real world value of $25,000 dollars... thats what this thread should be focused on !
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 11:50:00 - [385] Originally by: Sochin I love how your sig says "chaining bobo in south feyth" but you've only got three kills against bob (only one a bs) and four losses (all battleships). Seems more like we're chaining you. My sig is reffering to piles of BoBo ships that came to their death in and around K9 by ASCN pilots other than me also. I only topped off the massacres in K9 with a part faction kitted Vindicator kill. A cherry on top of a cake... A monument to crushing arrogant little worms. Get a clue? As for only killing 3 BoBo personally: You can refer to my post i made when i killed that Vindicator in the Crime and punishment section where I clearly stated i am far from top of the line pvper and if someone like me can do it alone i can't imagine what a proper non TS infiltrated pvp force could do to BoBo gank squads. As for loosing 4 Battleships to BoBo: If it would have been 4 T1 frigates would you even consider writing it? In that case you would mark me as a chicken or something even more degrading? Don't even try to stand on a higher moral ground because your pilots and leadership have proven beyond doubt you have no morals. Spying on TS and forums etc... Both are out of game and offer ingame advantage if abused properly. Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Cyleth Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.02 19:38:00 - [386] Originally by: vipeer Originally by: Sochin I love how your sig says "chaining bobo in south feyth" but you've only got three kills against bob (only one a bs) and four losses (all battleships). Seems more like we're chaining you. My sig is reffering to piles of BoBo ships that came to their death in and around K9 by ASCN pilots other than me also. I only topped off the massacres in K9 with a part faction kitted Vindicator kill. A cherry on top of a cake... A monument to crushing arrogant little worms. Get a clue? As for only killing 3 BoBo personally: You can refer to my post i made when i killed that Vindicator in the Crime and punishment section where I clearly stated i am far from top of the line pvper and if someone like me can do it alone i can't imagine what a proper non TS infiltrated pvp force could do to BoBo gank squads. As for loosing 4 Battleships to BoBo: If it would have been 4 T1 frigates would you even consider writing it? In that case you would mark me as a chicken or something even more degrading? Don't even try to stand on a higher moral ground because your pilots and leadership have proven beyond doubt you have no morals. Spying on TS and forums etc... Both are out of game and offer ingame advantage if abused properly. Does it feel that bad to not own regions anymore? -- Listen to Club BNC on BoB Radio. Visit our website for schedules.
Olgzr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.02 21:49:00 - [387] Second reason my accounts are canceled..I have major doubts about the integrity of the game.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.03 09:06:00 - [388] Originally by: Cyleth Does it feel that bad to not own regions anymore? Is Dukath you alt and you're ashamed to admint you got pwned with 7 buddies helping you against a lone one quarter decent pvper? ASCN owns the majority of Feythabolis so i have no idea where or who you got your propaganda slip from. I guess BoBo slave ships are tossing them onto the smoldering ruins of what's left of TPAR and TCAG to sooth the pain of invasion and give the people new hope; where inevitable disaster was averted by the union of two towers ;) BoBo only conquered one station system out of 12 so if i would be you i'd hold off a bit on the cheast beating part. Who knows...Maybe D2 really grew a pair of hairy ones and will do what they may be planning to do. I hear the first order of business for their Erebus was to nuke a shipment of cute pink care bear toys en-route to souvenir shops across Fade, Branch and outer Dekklein. I see Olgzr is quitting. I know he had 2 accounts, Other people that will remain nameless quit also. Totaling i'd say at least 15 accounts. That's just the top of the mountain. That's $2700 out of the window in 2007 for CCP. I really don't like to see my favourite game being ruined but if CCP wants it to happen then so be it. Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.03 09:35:00 - [389] Edited by: Kryztal on 03/01/2007 09:36:29 Originally by: vipeer Originally by: Cyleth Does it feel that bad to not own regions anymore? Is Dukath you alt and you're ashamed to admint you got pwned with 7 buddies helping you against a lone one quarter decent pvper? ASCN owns the majority of Feythabolis so i have no idea where or who you got your propaganda slip from. I guess BoBo slave ships are tossing them onto the smoldering ruins of what's left of TPAR and TCAG to sooth the pain of invasion and give the people new hope; where inevitable disaster was averted by the union of two towers ;) BoBo only conquered one station system out of 12 so if i would be you i'd hold off a bit on the cheast beating part. Who knows...Maybe D2 really grew a pair of hairy ones and will do what they may be planning to do. I hear the first order of business for their Erebus was to nuke a shipment of cute pink care bear toys en-route to souvenir shops across Fade, Branch and outer Dekklein. I see Olgzr is quitting. I know he had 2 accounts, Other people that will remain nameless quit also. Totaling i'd say at least 15 accounts. That's just the top of the mountain. That's $2700 out of the window in 2007 for CCP. I really don't like to see my favourite game being ruined but if CCP wants it to happen then so be it. I think you should look again. We hold quite a few stations now or have guests of that region holding them (8/15 if i remember correctly). Holidays are over so dont you worry the mopping up is almost finished.
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.03 13:35:00 - [390] Originally by: Olgzr Second reason my accounts are canceled..I have major doubts about the integrity of the game. LOL get a backbone you angry little man you. -

vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 10:18:00 - [391] So. Back to the topic of not insulting people. Yes that goes for everyone.: How can a player get priviliged information concerning another players petition which nobody else is able to acquire by asking? I guess one could just hack into CCP's petition system and see for him/herself. Did Molle hack into CCP's petition system? I don't think so. If he would he would probably be history already. It's not something that should be taken lightly in any case. How DID he get priviliged information? and more importantly: What makes him so special that he of all the paying customers in EVE can have access to confidential petitions? If he did get his information illegaly why has not CCP banned his account yet? Why has Shrike not yet been banned for sharing account info so the others that logged in under his name could keep his Avatar active 24/7 in direct violation of the EULA? Is it possible that someone in CCP is heavily biased toward an ingame alliance? I cannot stress enough that members of BoBo are on autorepeat about how lame risking ones RL job, or anything RL actually, is. I agree with them. Why would someone risk an excellent job to advance himself or his friends in a game? Such a person must really be desperate and, i guess have no life outside EVE whatsoever. Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:00:00 - [392] Originally by: vipeer So. Back to the topic of not insulting people. Yes that goes for everyone.: How can a player get priviliged information concerning another players petition which nobody else is able to acquire by asking? I guess one could just hack into CCP's petition system and see for him/herself. Did Molle hack into CCP's petition system? I don't think so. If he would he would probably be history already. It's not something that should be taken lightly in any case. How DID he get priviliged information? and more importantly: What makes him so special that he of all the paying customers in EVE can have access to confidential petitions? If he did get his information illegaly why has not CCP banned his account yet? Why has Shrike not yet been banned for sharing account info so the others that logged in under his name could keep his Avatar active 24/7 in direct violation of the EULA? Is it possible that someone in CCP is heavily biased toward an ingame alliance? I cannot stress enough that members of BoBo are on autorepeat about how lame risking ones RL job, or anything RL actually, is. I agree with them. Why would someone risk an excellent job to advance himself or his friends in a game? Such a person must really be desperate and, i guess have no life outside EVE whatsoever. You want some more tinfoil hats? First off, you are accusing me of various exploits, without proof. I challenge you to petition my account to CCP to see if it has been shared, which it has not. I will go so far as to let CCP make the information public on my behalf, and with my permission. Then I will await your humble excuse. If you think I would let anyone have access to my account, you are sorely mistaken. And yes, my character is online more or less 24/7, ever heard of CABLE CONNECTION and CLOAK and SAFESPOT while working? Sheeeeesh. Secondly, you are accusing me of having access to the petitions and wrongfully reading petitions, with the means of.. what? Haxsploit? Am i hacking CCP's servers? What you are referring to is the answers i gave to... whoever, cant remember who which said "I dont lie to my members". Now show me again, where i have said anything about reading any petition whatsoever. You sir, are totally deluded. So, come back and bring me proof of the accusations you are doing here, and until you do, kindly put a sock in it. Send off those petitions mate, and tell me the outcome. I challenge you. [center]
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:01:00 - [393] The reason Shrike is not banned is because everything you've said which would warrant a ban hasn't happened and lies solely in the realm of fantasy. Understood?
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:05:00 - [394] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 11:06:07 Originally by: vipeer So. Back to the topic of not insulting people. Yes that goes for everyone.: How can a player get priviliged information concerning another players petition which nobody else is able to acquire by asking? I guess one could just hack into CCP's petition system and see for him/herself. Did Molle hack into CCP's petition system? I don't think so. If he would he would probably be history already. It's not something that should be taken lightly in any case. How DID he get priviliged information? and more importantly: What makes him so special that he of all the paying customers in EVE can have access to confidential petitions? If he did get his information illegaly why has not CCP banned his account yet? Why has Shrike not yet been banned for sharing account info so the others that logged in under his name could keep his Avatar active 24/7 in direct violation of the EULA? Is it possible that someone in CCP is heavily biased toward an ingame alliance? I cannot stress enough that members of BoBo are on autorepeat about how lame risking ones RL job, or anything RL actually, is. I agree with them. Why would someone risk an excellent job to advance himself or his friends in a game? Such a person must really be desperate and, i guess have no life outside EVE whatsoever. Sorry can't let this pass.....I summon you Fitz Chivalry..I know you are reading the forums like everybody else... where are you? Is this the kind of Paxman-Newsnight stuff you can't stand? You know Glass houses and all that. HF.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:11:00 - [395] Originally by: Nez Perces Sorry can't let this pass.....I summon you Fitz Chivalry..I know you are reading the forums like everybody else... where are you? Is this the kind of Paxman-Newsnight stuff you can't stand? You know Glass houses and all that. HF. [/quote Is there a post written by you that is not anti ASCN? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:15:00 - [396] Originally by: vipeer Is there a post written by you that is not anti ASCN? My posts are by and large anti-stupidity posts........ you can figure out the rest... or maybe you can't but thats your problem.
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 11:16:00 - [397] Originally by: vipeer Is there a post written by you that is not anti ASCN? You are ignoring my challenge. And you are accusing me of god knows how many exploits. Until you come back with answers to your deluded fantasies, you really shold stay quiet. [center]
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:14:00 - [398] And to Molle / Shrike: How could you possibly know that the GM will not give back the Avatar so you could tell it to your membership? After that you told us on EvE-O you never lie to your membership. See your own post; it's nr. 306 in this thread. Your answer implies that you want to say waaay more than you actually did but you cannot say it... You told your people CYVOK will not get the ship back even before the petition was resolved. Actually you or one of your leadership ( can't remember exactly aynmore ) even went so far and said that BOB will not allow for the ship to be reimbursed. The petitioning escalated so far that the GM that blew off the petition about Shrike's account sharing has got his employement in CCP terminated. He got fired. I will take a guess and say it was blatant bias behavior that got him sacked. I can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt though. That sounds kinda funny because all you claim to be is just another group of EVE players... Presenting evidence here would be a breach of NDA so you really should stop baiting people into criminal offenses. Time will prove me right or maybe even wrong, although i am confident it will prove me right. P.s. I have been writing up a post all the time ;) (had to sift through 306 posts in this thread) All i am doing is laying it out so everyone can get a view of the situation at hand. Let the people decide for themselves who they are going to belive. You or me. If everything the members of ASCN said in this thread is pure science fiction the 130 thousand people not in BoB and ASCN&AXE who have access to this forum will see it your way and we will become tin foil looneys in the eyes of vast majority. If people see it my way then you have some rough patches ahead of yourself and you are rightly worried about what the community will think and do about you if you really are proven to have done everything you and your membership have been accused of. Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:43:00 - [399] Nez you have been told in this thread, i wont even sift through countless others, by both ASCN and BOB to go away and not to post inflamatory posts basically, but with words more rude than that. Your continued effort on smearing ASCN makes me wonder what did we do to you that is was so bad it made you create a one man corp and go on a crusade against the alliance that made soo many firsts in EVE? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 12:47:00 - [400] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 12:48:28 Originally by: vipeer Nez you have been told in this thread, i wont even sift through countless others, by both ASCN and BOB to go away and not to post inflamatory posts basically, but with words more rude than that. Your continued effort on smearing ASCN makes me wonder what did we do to you that is was so bad it made you create a one man corp and go on a crusade against the alliance that made soo many firsts in EVE? Look you ..... little fellow .... go check my employment history and then see if what you posted still makes sense. You flatter yourself if you think that I am in the corp that I am, for ASCN's benefit.

Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:01:00 - [401] Originally by: Shrike What you are referring to is the answers i gave to... whoever, cant remember who which said "I dont lie to my members". It was me \o/ And seeing you like challenges, I'll challenge you then. Did you petition or contact a GM and ask If CYVOK would get his titan back? It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:07:00 - [402] Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Shrike What you are referring to is the answers i gave to... whoever, cant remember who which said "I dont lie to my members". It was me \o/ And seeing you like challenges, I'll challenge you then. Did you petition or contact a GM and ask If CYVOK would get his titan back? No, i did not. So, whomever told you that i did, lied, or, pulled your chain. [center]
Shrike Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:08:00 - [403] Originally by: vipeer And to Molle / Shrike: How could you possibly know that the GM will not give back the Avatar so you could tell it to your membership? After that you told us on EvE-O you never lie to your membership. See your own post; it's nr. 306 in this thread. Your answer implies that you want to say waaay more than you actually did but you cannot say it... You told your people CYVOK will not get the ship back even before the petition was resolved. Actually you or one of your leadership ( can't remember exactly aynmore ) even went so far and said that BOB will not allow for the ship to be reimbursed. The petitioning escalated so far that the GM that blew off the petition about Shrike's account sharing has got his employement in CCP terminated. He got fired. I will take a guess and say it was blatant bias behavior that got him sacked. I can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt though. That sounds kinda funny because all you claim to be is just another group of EVE players... Presenting evidence here would be a breach of NDA so you really should stop baiting people into criminal offenses. Time will prove me right or maybe even wrong, although i am confident it will prove me right. P.s. I have been writing up a post all the time ;) (had to sift through 306 posts in this thread) All i am doing is laying it out so everyone can get a view of the situation at hand. Let the people decide for themselves who they are going to belive. You or me. If everything the members of ASCN said in this thread is pure science fiction the 130 thousand people not in BoB and ASCN&AXE who have access to this forum will see it your way and we will become tin foil looneys in the eyes of vast majority. If people see it my way then you have some rough patches ahead of yourself and you are rightly worried about what the community will think and do about you if you really are proven to have done everything you and your membership have been accused of. Have you recieved any proof about the exploits you are accusing me of yet? It not, be silent peasant. [center]
Christopher Multsanti Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:17:00 - [404] Originally by: Shrike Originally by: Christopher Multsanti Originally by: Shrike What you are referring to is the answers i gave to... whoever, cant remember who which said "I dont lie to my members". It was me \o/ And seeing you like challenges, I'll challenge you then. Did you petition or contact a GM and ask If CYVOK would get his titan back? No, i did not. So, whomever told you that i did, lied, or, pulled your chain. Thank you for your reply, it was one of your members that told me btw, and they told me they were told by Blacklight, it did sound like they were being truthful thats why I believed them. It's great being Amarr that flys Minmintar aint it? EVIL SYNNs > Bob are the best, we have to pay them to use the plexs...
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:31:00 - [405] Originally by: vipeer All i am doing is laying it out so everyone can get a view of the situation at hand. Let the people decide for themselves who they are going to belive. You or me. No, all you've done is made up stories hoping to instil doubt in the average reader. Stories which lack logic as well as evidence. You pit your word and honor against Shrike's, forgetting the imaginary army under your command also does imaginary damage with its imaginary credibility. All in attempt to distract people from your hurt pride and the monumental failures which made it possible. Then, after having your questions and claims flat out denied, you continue to harp on like a mentally broken individual whose only solace is trolling weeks old threads. Being a virtual nobody in the most literal sense, you have the audacity to think you'll change peoples minds even long after your glorious leader has retreated to wallow in shame. Heres a bit of reasoning you've completely neglected. If everything you have said is true, customer service would be corrupt beyond belief and salvation. Why are you still here, still talking.. still grasping?
Princess Minnie	Posted - 2007.01.05 13:43:00 - [406] Originally by: vipeer Your answer implies that you want to say waaay more than you actually did but you cannot say it... Your name implies you are a snake, and whilst you speak with a forked tongue, throw accusations around like a malting skin, and slither like a snake, I very much doubt that a snake can use a keyboard. So who are you sharing your account with that is allowing you to type these stupid posts? I am going to petition you! cry, cry, cry, whinge, whinge. oh by the way, if you cant see and dont know the answers then you are most likely the dumbest one in the room. Enjoy the sunshine Princess Minnie
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:09:00 - [407] Shrike / Molle: Should i take that as a personal insult to my small minded nature? As i said before. I cannot present any shred of hard evidence. The reasons why are known to you but yet you keep gnarling me for it. Arenis: Eloquent words i must say you know your way around them ;) I command no army other than myself. In my opinion the only thing the alliance i am a member of failed is to dissolve into a band of destroyers instead of becoming a builders and the developers of the deep 0.0 regions. We naively believed we would actually get tools to build an empire by ourselves. We failed in the part of the game where people would put aside their RL and login at 4 AM to bust POS or to camp a gate. We failed to understand that in order to win pvp you need to play on the very edge. We failed to accept the fact that our enemies are not in any way interested in a standup fight. We failed to keep the people logging in after they lost numerous ships to combination of lag, constant node drops, TS infiltration, forum infiltration, poor FCing, 24/7 looming threat of being superweaponed, fact that ASCN dreads popped under fire of 20odd BS while BoB dreads somehow managed to shrug off POS guns, 40-100 fighters and 20 BS supposedly firing at them; could have been the fact we were not concentrating fire enough ;) If this is what you say is our faliure then i agree with you. I agree with you; we failed miserably. Why would i not be here? Eve is still good. There are 130 thousand other people to interact with and as long as i don't cross paths with griefers im content. Princes Minnie: You really think my ingame name has anything to do with who i am? /sarcasm on All beware of SATAN. He is from hell itself i guess. And Hellraiser or Hellwarrior or Chris here. He's named after a bad boy from Sopranos. Do you really belive he goes around at night shooting&beating up people who owe him money. Using your argumentation i can say you are a princess or Dr. Einkeisel is a RL doctor or Sir Molle is indeed a sir. /sarcasm off Get real. I chose the name with 2 e not because "viper" would already be taken. I chose it because i like the sound of it. ------------------------------------------------- On a similar note: The reset of a 15 minute pvp timer if one logs off was a complete mistery to me and not just me but basically for everyone i talked about it. I read all the patch notes for every new build and every Dev blog that has seen the light of day i have read but the details on how exactly the pvp timer works eluded my eyes. I read a post after the "Fall of the Titan" where someone went into detail of pvp timers. Now i am asking this: Is there a post from a dev detailing the pvp timers dated with the date they were actually implemented to let all the paying customers know how the rules have changed? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:16:00 - [408] Oh and btw Princess. Posting with an unindentified char is prohibited in this section. Will the forum admin please delete the inflamatory and personally insulting post? Chaining BoBo in south Feyth:
Sleyha Butler	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:19:00 - [409] Originally by: vipeer I can't prove it beyond reasonable doubt though. You won't you mean. So stop it. The few of us privvy have lost the taste for the house cleaning several months ago, let people move on. The house will sort itself or it will die mkay.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2007.01.05 15:23:00 - [410] Edited by: Nez Perces on 05/01/2007 15:24:01 Originally by: vipeer Oh and btw Princess. Posting with an unindentified char is prohibited in this section. Will the forum admin please delete the inflamatory and personally insulting post? Amazing.. you have truly undergone a miraculous transformation... from an angry little man spewing venom and hate, to requesting that posters desist from making personal insults. Allow me to refresh your memory: Originally by: Vipeer on the GunganKllr thread Nezzy is here only to stirr ** up. Don't explain anything anymore to him because he is too much covered in ** he's stirring and he can't hear you. From the first post i saw by Nezie and untill this day it has always been about how ASCN and the member corps suck etc. Sad boy bent on destruction via forum war. Get a life NezBoy. If that is out of reach find a tall building... Sad thing is you yourself are unable to build something bigger than a sandwich so you spend your life smearing people better than you. Which is it?: Attention span of a Goldfish? Conflictive personality? Disruptive personality? Somekind of untreatable mental disorder? Treatable mental disorder but you forgot to take Lithium? General hatred toward any alliance that starts with a letter A? General hatred? Or you just hate the fact that ASCN flourished where you failed miserably? BoB member? I am very glad that you have now seen the error of your ways and that you would not wish on yourself what you have inflicted on others. Well done I salute you.

Vathar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.05 16:16:00 - [411] Originally by: vipeer In my opinion the only thing the alliance i am a member of failed is to dissolve into a band of destroyers instead of becoming a builders and the developers of the deep 0.0 regions. We naively believed we would actually get tools to build an empire by ourselves. We failed in the part of the game where people would put aside their RL and login at 4 AM to bust POS or to camp a gate. We failed to understand that in order to win pvp you need to play on the very edge. We failed to accept the fact that our enemies are not in any way interested in a standup fight. We failed to keep the people logging in after they lost numerous ships to combination of lag, constant node drops, TS infiltration, forum infiltration, poor FCing, 24/7 looming threat of being superweaponed, fact that ASCN dreads popped under fire of 20odd BS while BoB dreads somehow managed to shrug off POS guns, 40-100 fighters and 20 BS supposedly firing at them; could have been the fact we were not concentrating fire enough ;) If this is what you say is our faliure then i agree with you. I agree with you; we failed miserably. Why would i not be here? Eve is still good. There are 130 thousand other people to interact with and as long as i don't cross paths with griefers im content. Quote: Too much bitterness to be objective here, you seem to have bitten too much upon your alliance delusional propaganda ... You talk about being an empire, yet an empire is forged through wars, you don't deserve what you cannot defend, be it through diplomacy or brute force, trade or treachery ... We get an old revival of no-life kiddies playing in mom's basement here, you also heavily suggest that we cheat, and honestly, it gets soo boring after a while ... You mention dreads popping to 20 Bob BS ... yeah, I saw t1 fitted dreads killed by 20 t2 fitted Bob BS ... and then you wonder why T1 fitted ASCN BS don't fare so well against faction fitted dreads ... big surprise heh? Now when we get a covert ops report saying "enemy fleet left their pos", our FC reacts on the spot and allows us to wreak havoc? Yeah, that was due to TS spies ... you won't believe me anyway ans I feel like **ing in the desert but still ... You're right on some aspects though : To win at pvp, you have to be at the very edge ... know the rules, including documented data about timers which has been released for ages (I wish I had access to one of my former corp's internal tutorials where we had a well documented section about this) You failed to keep people logging after they lost ships, they couldn't cope with the threat of being DDed ... hey sugar, that's war we're talking about here, and it's stressful and messy ... Originally by:** Radeberger If you plan to make your alliance combat based, recruit pvpers with mining alts rather than miners with pvp alts


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