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Aen Bolusova
Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:40:00 -
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I admit my noobitude. I've been playing this game for some number of months without really hearing anything about issues with employees of CCP that play the game. So, I'd like to understand the situation a little more.
Of course, CCP employees should be allowed to play EVE, and more than just in the capacity of a GM. But isn't there a conflict of interest when such employees, with intimate knowledge of the game at a level most players can't possibly achieve, are the members of in-game alliances? Particularly those that regularly attack other players?
It seems to me that the philosophy of EVE, with all of its lawlessness and inter-player violence, implies that a CCP employee can't really play the game without participating in such things.
As a customer, however, it does cause me some concern that the time I spend in EVE achieving whatever goals I set for myself could be undone by the same people that cash my check every month. Isn't that kinda odd?
I was told recently that a number of GMs have admitted that they're in BoB. I don't know if this is true or not, but it makes me wonder. Are we going to end up with a situation in which CCP's own people end up controlling a significant chunk of the playable area? That's a dubious variety of customer service, dontcha think?
I am prepared to be set straight on my tinfoil hat theories.
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Frankinator
Finite Horizon The Red Skull
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:42:00 -
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Dude, post the proof already. This is getting kinda old :/
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Karunel
Princeps Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:44:00 -
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Absolutely, the cousin of the father of the aunt of the nephew of the father in law of CCP's janitor who is Oveur's best friend' friend also told me about that.
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:45:00 -
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Call the Concord fire brigade!
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Chewan Mesa
Beagle Corp
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aen Bolusova I admit my noobitude. I've been playing this game for some number of months without really hearing anything about issues with employees of CCP that play the game. So, I'd like to understand the situation a little more.
Of course, CCP employees should be allowed to play EVE, and more than just in the capacity of a GM. But isn't there a conflict of interest when such employees, with intimate knowledge of the game at a level most players can't possibly achieve, are the members of in-game alliances? Particularly those that regularly attack other players?
It seems to me that the philosophy of EVE, with all of its lawlessness and inter-player violence, implies that a CCP employee can't really play the game without participating in such things.
As a customer, however, it does cause me some concern that the time I spend in EVE achieving whatever goals I set for myself could be undone by the same people that cash my check every month. Isn't that kinda odd?
I was told recently that a number of GMs have admitted that they're in BoB. I don't know if this is true or not, but it makes me wonder. Are we going to end up with a situation in which CCP's own people end up controlling a significant chunk of the playable area? That's a dubious variety of customer service, dontcha think?
I am prepared to be set straight on my tinfoil hat theories.
Ehrm, even if anyone from CCP is playing the game, you're aware they dont have their hax gm-dev-tools on a hotkey to spawn 5 dreads yeah?
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Xendie
Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:46:00 -
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its not true at all, according to D2 im a GM. im not saying that they are correct on a single point but its a easy thing to throw out if you exploit and GM's judge against you.
Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent?
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Scharrer
PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Scharrer on 13/12/2006 13:48:10 GM's are paid to be fair if they get caught on deciding pro XYZ whilst deciding conrta ABC they wil just loose their job. This of course does not stop everyone from doing bad things but is of course a very good insurance for us players. So please do not try to start rumors but ask the boss of the GM you suspect to act wrong.
This will at first of course will stop you looking like an idiot, and later on of course if you were right make the GM loose his job.
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Aen Bolusova
Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:47:00 -
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You should note I haven't made any accusations. I'm just trying to understand the situation.
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Alakazam
Bob The Builder Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:48:00 -
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Actually he has a valid point. This is why employees and their family that works in lotteries aren't allowed to play because it might look like they have a unfair advantage if they actually do win.
There are many similar cases, although I don't think it's a problem for them to play the game--and I'm sure CCP frequently discusses this issue--I think there would be less doubt if they weren't allowed to play the game with their customers.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:48:00 -
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ASCN have utterly and completely lost the plot.
It's absolutely fantastic.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Alakazam
Bob The Builder Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Scharrer Edited by: Scharrer on 13/12/2006 13:48:10 GM's are paid to be fair if they get caught on deciding pro XYZ whilst deciding conrta ABC they wil just loose their job. This of course does not stop everyone from doing bad things but is of course a very good insurance for us players. So please do not try to start rumors but ask the boss of the GM you suspect to act wrong.
This will at first of course will stop you looking like an idiot, and later on of course if you were right make the GM loose his job.
This is not about GMs but about devs and employees of CCP. GMs are under very strict rules.
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Haks'he Lirky
Durgar og Illmenni
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 -
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CCP has roughly 100 employees.
Most of those are people who are mature and quite frankly old, a great portion of them have spent more than 6 years working on their dream project wich is EVE online. The founders have been living this dream since 1997, thats nine years.
Do you seriously think that these people would allow their fellow employees to mess with a dream thats been almost a decade in the making?
This is not quake or counterstrike, cheating has long lasting effects on the economy and the very future of EVE online.
Read the Dev blogs of Oveur to fully understand that he is a man that lives the EVE dream not to get killmails or Sovereignity victories. Read Skellibjallas blog and think why he should spend time cheating in eve to gain fame, go on read all the dev blogs and wonder if those people are cheating their dreams and occupation.
Go on...
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 -
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only 1 good thing in this topic... u posted whit u main, now u just need to get a tiny little clue
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Plan Neun on 13/12/2006 14:20:28 Note: Personal op
Absoletely all the CCP Avatars on tranq server should be deleted ASAP. Why, because of conflict of interest. The CCP staff is humans the temptation to cross borders is no _less_ tempting than a CEO from a stocktrader firm that is only "advising" the sitting president about stocks in f.ex USA.
They (CCP employee's) can play on the test server and let us (paying gamers) define the EVe-Univers without this "guiding hand" from CCP.
Cheers
Plan Neun
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Alakazam
Bob The Builder Breidablik
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher ASCN have utterly and completely lost the plot.
It's absolutely fantastic.
dbp
I swear I didn't see this until now^^
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/12/2006 13:53:02 Im confused, if the devs play eve as players and theryre better at it then you then whats the problem? Its not like they get free isk or super accounts.
As for GMs admitting to be in Bob, am i right in guessing ASCN HC told you that?
Originally by: Plan Neun They (CCP employee's) can play on the test server and let us (paying gamers) define the EVe-Univers without this "guiding hand" from CCP.
Yeah lets force the devs to become completely out of touch with the actuall gameplay, thats just gonna do wonders for the game... -----
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Major Stormer
Caldari Red Storm Vendetta
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher ASCN have utterly and completely lost the plot.
It's absolutely fantastic.
dbp
Still trolling huh? Good luck with that.
@OP Just pretend everyone you kill is a GM. Then the "problem" goes away ;) Red Storm Vendetta is now recruiting! Click me for more info |
Gunstar Zero
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: Gunstar Zero on 13/12/2006 13:54:14 CCP employees don't have enough time to play the game as well as we do ;-p.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stormer
Originally by: DB Preacher ASCN have utterly and completely lost the plot.
It's absolutely fantastic.
dbp
Still trolling huh? Good luck with that.
@OP Just pretend everyone you kill is a GM. Then the "problem" goes away ;)
Aye, I'm the one claiming that ASCN are gm's and dev's, that we sploit, hax, cheat our way to victory, that we crash pc's remotely and god knows what other hilarious stuff they have come up with.
It's awesome, absolutely awesome.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Mariko San
Saints Surrounded
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher ASCN have utterly and completely lost the plot.
It's absolutely fantastic.
dbp
Why?
You know as well as anyone that several GMs and even some Devs have characters in BoB. By the same token there are similar people in other alliances.
I dont have an issue with this particularly. I do not doubt for one instant that certain information is leaked (i.e. get training this, this nerf is coming in) at a certain level within those alliances but so what, ce la vie.
Trying to say it is not true is just .
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Plan Neun
Caldari Ganja Unlimited Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/12/2006 13:53:02 Im confused, if the devs play eve as players and theryre better at it then you then whats the problem? Its not like they get free isk or super accounts.
As for GMs admitting to be in Bob, am i right in guessing ASCN HC told you that?
Originally by: Plan Neun They (CCP employee's) can play on the test server and let us (paying gamers) define the EVe-Univers without this "guiding hand" from CCP.
Yeah lets force the devs to become completely out of touch with the actuall gameplay, thats just gonna do wonders for the game...
It's no IF, they are a part of the game. That is not good at all.
"I Will Drug You and Fluff You, through the permafrost"
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Gardiner
Minmatar Silver Star Federation Kurai Komichi
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:55:00 -
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Okey, i read upto part of Gm's in bob...
personaly i dont like bob, and they kicked SA's ass in past.
but i say to u. take it like a man and stfu
leave the f*cking GM's alone... they work there ass off not to be *****ed at.
"with intimate knowledge of the game at a level most players can't possibly achieve" u say this? i say learn the game and stop moaning
sorry for outburst.. lol
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maarud
Einherjar Incorporated Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:55:00 -
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GM's/Dev's/etc don't get any special treatment in eve bar, perhaps not paying monthly for their account (I assume anyway).
And there are plenty players in EVE that can "exploit" in game systems to a higher degree than any GM/Dev/etc can, otherwise they wouldn't need said players to test things on the test (and live server).
Maarud.
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Dekiri
Exanimo Inc
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:56:00 -
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The rumors about this all come from people who have been owned in game and are bitter. This is not new, this is normal in MMORPG's. The only statements i know of regarding Dev's GM's playing eve i ever heard officially was that many of them play and that they are scattered all over eve in different corps. The "heads" of CCP don't play anymore. Hilmar and Oveur both to my knowledge quit playing activly, because they are involved with the game so much that they don't have the time really and the drive to spend all their private life on eve as well.
If there was any favorism or cheating with GM or Dev chars it would be figured out. You either believe EVERYONE at CCP is cheating on the game (wich is really ridiculous because they built the game and would not destroy it and the vision they have for it) or it is impossible that it happens. I am 100% sure that CCP is tracking the staff members logs on their dev accounts to assure there is no cheating.
To my knowledge there has only been a single incident of a GM cheating and he was instantly fired and the damage caused was "fixed"
NOONE has been able to proove anything in that regard yet and i doubt that this will ever happen. If someone for example in BoB was a GM or Dev who would be cheating it would be impossible to keep sectret for long. It is just human nature that secrets will be revealed at some point because someone is ****ed at his superior or something like that.
In conclusion: your post is pointless nonsense.
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Aen Bolusova
Gallente The Older Gamers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:56:00 -
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Heh, I can hardly catch up to the responses, though most of them completely miss the point.
I'm happy with CCP having players in the game as it keeps them in touch with both how the code really works and with the player base. I also don't think any CCP employee in his right mind would use his influence to harm the players. I was just hoping to become enlightened as to the situation and hopefully getting some commentary on what it means in a global sense.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:57:00 -
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So DEVs and GMs shouldnt be able to experience the game they created/manage?
STFU seriously,
as for GMs admiting they are members of XYZ corp, send it to a HGM or contact Kieron, but ofc you and I both know your sprouting **** and have nothing to back it up.
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Traxio Nacho
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Plan Neun Edited by: Plan Neun on 13/12/2006 13:52:05 Note: Personal op
I don't agree in this at all, absoletely all the CCP Avatars on tranq server should be deleted ASAP. Why, because of conflict of interest. The CCP staff is humans the temptation to cross borders is no _less_ tempting than a CEO from a stocktrader firm that is only "advising" the sitting president about stocks in f.ex USA.
They (CCP employee's) can play on the test server and let us (paying gamers) define the EVe-Univers without this "guiding hand" from CCP.
Cheers
Plan Neun
I disagree one BIG advantages of GM's playing the game they work for is they know the problems the average player has. I'm sure its alot easier for them to understand than if they hadn't ever played the game before.
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:57:00 -
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I think the pros heavily outweigh the cons.
There's rumors that the first alliance in-game ever was a dev experiment to see if it could be done.
Having devs play the game on the live server in all levels of game-play allows them to understand their own game, something which I doubt we're unhappy with. There's only so much you can theorize / test on SiSi. Playing on the production environment should help a ton with balance questions, etc.
So yes, by all means the devs should play this game on TQ. Of course they cannot use their gm hax powers and the information they get out of playing their own game is invaluable for the developers. -
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:58:00 -
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Read this post by t20
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.12.13 13:59:00 -
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having devs that DON'T play their game is a BAD idea. they need to understand how it works, and what the playerbase wants/thinks etc.
as for the 'BoB is full of GMs!!1' tinfoilery again, give it a rest eh
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