Whens the last time someone complained that characters in the starting zones for a traditional MMO couldn't raid or take part in high-level events?
Because that is exactly what you're doing.

It always amazed me that with so many talented dev's artists, writers ect in CCP the one aspect of the game they always seem to fall down on is events. They really need to get away from blob warfare and single system events to try include more of the playerbase. This event just reminds me of a event they ran in stain many years back, the feedback from players was nearly the same and the outcome was nearly the same, ccp event blob gets taken down by massive 0.0 alliance fleet.

Not saying there is not space for events like the above but CCP never seem to utilise the full potential of Eve and what could be done as regards events.

Unfortunatly with CCP's track record, all these events are about is the loot that drops, 0.0 alliances certainly do not take part in them for a fun trilling narrative, to coin a phrase from D&D "Monty haul", CCP are like them really bad rpg DM's that make the loot the most important aspect as opposed to the storyline or narrative.

my 2 cents

You know, given how you quit the game like a foot-stamping baby, it's really quite ironic to see you give out this advice to others.

The fleet was in the Great Wildlands, NPC 0.0 where you don't need thousands of pilots because no one has sov.

Why should hisec carebears who do not put the effort into running a large PvP oriented alliance be party to the same rewards? Why should those protected by concord have the same reward without the risk?

**** off. Want to print isk? Do hisec incursions where no one will touch you. Take risks, put in the effort and you can reap the rewards of nullsec.

Nerf hi-sec Incursion rewarde.

Let's compromise. Have the event in high sec so that everybody can participate, just turn concord off during the event so it can happen.

This event is not for the "Average Player".

CCP are bringing a battleship fleet with logistics and are attempting to put a proper fleet doctrine together. I'm going to assume that someone in CCP has at least led a fleet or two and they're going to actually try and get better at this.

If they do and them coming to play this game becomes a regular event, I would HOPE that they continue to do it in null sec.

I would further hope that they start taking on capital ships.

In the end, if you would like to get involved with these fleets you'll have to be apart of the non-average player base of EVE who lives in null/low sec and participate in fleet warfare. An entity who can fight 40-50 BS fleets.

CCP can't do an event where you shoot them in highsec for that requires for the to exist outside the normal game mechanics to avoid concord which they won't do.
They can do lowsec...which they did.....

Well gosh, if people are going to be intentionally excluded from things because they don't play the game the way the "big" kids think they should play, then they shouldn't have to pay as much. I'd say a third less, sounds about right.

But at any rate, thank you for exhibiting the reason most people don't want to get involved in Nulsec anymore...the sense of entitlement and superiority that has become rather pervasive in Nulsec. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have a democratic and republican party in Eve. Good luck seeing anything done.

During both the latest events all CCP pilots have been set to -10, so everyone could shoot at them without security or concord hits.

Doing those events in lo/null doesn't lock anyone out, while moving them to hisec would lock out people with negative security standing.

Hitting any event like this does include a good chance of getting your ship blown up and possible getting podded

(Well CCP will not pod you, unless you're Darius III, but others might.)

So why would a lo/null setting lock anyone out?

During both the latest events all CCP pilots have been set to -10, so everyone could shoot at them without security or concord hits.

Doing those events in lo/null doesn't lock anyone out, while moving them to hisec would lock out people with negative security standing.

Hitting any event like this does include a good chance of getting your ship blown up and possible getting podded

(Well CCP will not pod you, unless you're Darius III, but others might.)

So why would a lo/null setting lock anyone out?

Funny you mention that.

If an event is in high sec, it does lock out those who can't go to high sec.

But let's consider that when an event is in lowsec, pretty much EVERYBODY in highsec is locked out because to get to low or 0.0, there's the usual gank pipelines and bubble camps.

So who is being locked out?

If someone in high sec wants to go to 0.0 for an event, they will be stopped or face many who will stop them.

But if someone in 0.0 wants to go the other way for a high sec event, all they have to do it get to high sec.

As usual, the gate mechanics are killing the game.

There is absolutely nothing keeping a player out of low or nullsec besides themselves. A -10 individual is kept out of empire by game mechanics. There are no game mechanics keeping anybody out of null or lowsec space.

Bubbles and blobs are possible via game mechanics.

You get a -10 status from your own actions. Probably from being the gate camper.

Know the difference.


Can a gate at least warp you into a 150KM drop off range instead of 15KM? Nope. OK then, no feeding ships to people who choose to be -10. No going to low/0.0.

See how that works?

No, going into a guaranteed suicide would just be stupid. See - you're there already.

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You're not going into low or nullsec because you WON'T.

-10 won't go to highsec because he CAN'T

See the difference?

Edit - To elaborate, there is no tools provided to a player that will let him escape concord indefinatley. As a matter of fact that's a bannable offense.

Flip the coin, there are SEVERAL tools provided to you to enter low and null and avoid players entirely.

People with limited time to grind ISK and no support at the endpoint are simply throwing away ISK when they try to breach the Great Wall of Carebear where bears exist on BOTH sides

The only reliable tool for that has been the wormhole, and I get into 0.0 and exploit sites in 0.0 SOV systems that are empty for weeks.

If that's the tool, then you are correct. But all those other tools only work around 70 percent of the time, and that's when there is no publicly known live event down the line. I never minded testing all of the techniques that get posted on the forums - that's what a disposable alt is good for, right? Warp here, warp there, bookmark this, bookmark that, check this map, check that stat - it's nearly as boring as mining. Heck it's do boring that getting ganked feels like a favor.

My way has been 100 percent effective since wormholes were added to the game - but to be conservative I will say 99 percent.

The "usual way" is 70 percent, meaning that loss is inevitable.

Would you let someone shoot at you if I told you there was only a 30 percent chance of being shot?

People with limited time to grind ISK and no support at the endpoint are simply throwing away ISK when they try to breach the Great Wall of Carebear where bears exist on BOTH sides (because those 0.0 systems are mostly empty and those who exploit them do so with minimal risk). If you are one of those people sitting on those gate and bubble camps that comprise the wall, you have a strange way of playing that's as boring as mining and you might have been suckered by whoever you are renting from.

Live events are great, but if attending means padding some ganktards KB, forget it. Since nothing ever survives a camp, and that is called "PVP", then I will engage in PVP too by not giving you a chance to kill me. Fair is fair.

"The "usual way" is 70 percent, meaning that loss is inevitable. "

Would you let someone shoot at you if I told you there was only a 30 percent chance of being shot?

What happens when a -10 comes into highsec with a ship? Boom concord blows him up (Game Mechanic)

Well gosh, if people are going to be intentionally excluded from things because they don't play the game the way the "big" kids think they should play, then they shouldn't have to pay as much. I'd say a third less, sounds about right.

But at any rate, thank you for exhibiting the reason most people don't want to get involved in Nulsec anymore...the sense of entitlement and superiority that has become rather pervasive in Nulsec. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have a democratic and republican party in Eve. Good luck seeing anything done.

They set up this loot fleet in 0.0 pretty much saying FU to people based in high sec and once again favoring their buddy alliances.

Who can keep others out with bubbles and such.

CCP flubs again.