Really, is it just me or are the drops from this last event completely over the top?

First off: Most none 0.0 entities can't put together a fleet to engage the CCP fleet before PL or the like drop in.

Secondly: The loot inside these CCP ships is completely over the top, I'm all for free stuff, but a potential 7b in loot? Really?

Suggestions:
1) Maybe for your future CCP events if you're doing a huge fleet just 1 plex in each or something, at the moment with that amount of potential loot the likes of PL/NC. will make an effort to get to these events just for the isk (Looks more than a super carriers worth was dropped there, or enough isk to field a fleet of tengus or w/e).

2) If you want to stick with the huge loot theme, then for the love of everyone who is not in a huge 0.0 alliance, just make several smaller groups go to different destinations, at least that way they would be more easily engage-able by the average high-sec/low-sec entity.


Just putting this in before you do this yet again with an over the top fleet with over the top loot. At which stage you'll start getting a lot of resentment from everyone who isn't PL. Maybe next time I'll go along in an arty bs just to snipe the wrecks before rich 0.0 can get richer yo.

Yeah good idea they should spawn in highsec so that if you shoot them you get instantly concorded

Whens the last time someone complained that characters in the starting zones for a traditional MMO couldn't raid or take part in high-level events?
Because that is exactly what you're doing.

You're calling all of highsec and lowsec a starting zone? You're calling well over half the player base the starting zone?

CCP takes pride in the fact that there is no single "end game" in Eve. To try and say otherwise (i.e. that 0.0 is the only end game) is completely missing the point of this game.

To exclude every single "end game" but 0.0 doesn't seem like a particularly viable strategy to me. Especially when that single "end game" is the most spoilt.

Absolutely.

Let me put it this way.

In nullsec, you do whatever the F you want. Absolute freedom. Lowsec, you have freedom with consequences and limits. Highsec is so watered down that its missing half of what makes EVE the game it is.

Try actually exploring the galaxy, getting out of your comfort zone, and you will very rapidly begin to realize that highsec is a starting zone packed to the brim with new players and manbabies.

You're calling all of highsec and lowsec a starting zone? You're calling well over half the player base the starting zone?

CCP takes pride in the fact that there is no single "end game" in Eve. To try and say otherwise (i.e. that 0.0 is the only end game) is completely missing the point of this game.

To exclude every single "end game" but 0.0 doesn't seem like a particularly viable strategy to me. Especially when that single "end game" is the most spoilt.

Absolutely.

Let me put it this way.

In nullsec, you do whatever the F you want. Absolute freedom. Lowsec, you have freedom with consequences and limits. Highsec is so watered down that its missing half of what makes EVE the game it is.

Try actually exploring the galaxy, getting out of your comfort zone, and you will very rapidly begin to realize that highsec is a starting zone packed to the brim with new players and manbabies.

the tinfoil in the events channel was hilarious

"CCP should just give the loot to PL instead of wasting our time ((("
"THE EVENT WAS RIGGED"

It was rigged, in the sense that CCP threw the fight. They shot up the nascent defense fleet and asked them to stand off, then shot at each other near the end, just before the final engagement.

I think the defense fleet idea needs some more thought. Perhaps an escort fleet that counters attackers from afar rather then trying to get close to CCP and defending them.

I do understand CCP is probably going to run a different sort of event later on today. Hopefully in a different location. I think they did a good job with this event. If they keep switching it up that should go a long way towards evening things out. They idea of separate smaller fleets simultaneously is an interesting one.

Thanks for a more level headed reply.

I've been outlaw for longer than your character's even existed. I've fought in 0.0 under a couple of different entities.

I can honestly say I've explored the galaxy and moved out of my comfort zone in eve several times.

I'm going to have to get CCP Soundwave to give me a BPO for tinfoilhats. I'll be filthy rich.

Were the T2 gang link drops BPOs? It shows on the kill board as such.

Although a wider array of live events would indeed be a good thing, I do not see how you can complain about missing out on one in particular.

That is what makes live events in EVE unique in the first place, they are not content that everyone and their grandmother can get involved in just because they want to. You have to in the right place at the right time in order to participate, and you will be interacting with other players if you are involved.

If you choose to play the game living in the risk free zone; spending your time hording ISK instead of making friends and gaining influence, then you are going to be at an extreme disadvantage against other players when you do want to get involved in events such as these.

Then you would understand how simplistic the mechanics of highsec are compared to the rest of EVE. It is a starting zone, through and through - there is little opportunity for real profit outside market manipulation, and nearly all of the risk-reward gameplay that is so fundamental to EVE is simply absent. Also, I would highly recommend you don't use relative age as a judge of knowledge or character, because this certainly wasn't my first character, and your initial post reeks of ignorance, be it willful or due to being new.

A lot of the CCP dev alts are in those 0.0 entities you speak of so it's not much of a surprise (a bunch of them came out and said they were in goons)

These type of things come down to alliance morale maintenance, to keep members logging in. Not for us "pubies" as they call us.

Its really just CCP having a little fun and stirring the pot in Nullsec. As is, there is not much warfare over resources, because most of the alliances have settled down into their homes. This is obviously not the case everywhere, but I'd be willing to bet that CCP is trying to create a highly valuable, unpredictable resource that is juicy enough (T2 BPOs) to get alliances that tolerate each other to start fighting over them when they see opportunity.

They will be BPC's as killboards cant tell the difference and no BPO's have been made for T2 modules after the lottery ended :)

If CCP split their fleets up a little then there are a number of highsec based entities would be able to engage them, in lowsec of course, and a great number of lowsec entities who would also be able to fight them. As it is these two groups simply do not have those numbers.

CCP i detect much faggotry in your fleet.

Be the arseholes that EVE needs you to be. Come out in GM ships once in a while and route a huge nullsec fleet.

This would get the game back on track and alay the highsec butthurt.


Dont suicide. Get nasty. the nullbears can take it

These days I just ignore these events. Seems like they're always put on for the benefit (NOT profit) of established Eve players.

CCP should put on these shows where they'll be appreciated: in high sec where the carebears can gape in awe at the spectacle.

These days I just ignore these events. Seems like they're always put on for the benefit (NOT profit) of established Eve players.

CCP should put on these shows where they'll be appreciated: in high sec where the carebears can gape in awe at the spectacle.

CCP should put out a warning to engage their fleets at player's risk and make sure to stress that point.

PL/Whatever alliance blobs CCP fleet again for "free ISK/items", CCP counter-drops fleet with 90 Titans, citing previous warnings.

Now CCP has precedence to engage non-blob player gangs and makes giant blobs think twice.

This event is not for the "Average Player".

CCP are bringing a battleship fleet with logistics and are attempting to put a proper fleet doctrine together. I'm going to assume that someone in CCP has at least led a fleet or two and they're going to actually try and get better at this.

If they do and them coming to play this game becomes a regular event, I would HOPE that they continue to do it in null sec.

I would further hope that they start taking on capital ships.

In the end, if you would like to get involved with these fleets you'll have to be apart of the non-average player base of EVE who lives in null/low sec and participate in fleet warfare. An entity who can fight 40-50 BS fleets.

You mean conform? :P

But really, they could easily fly abaddons / standard conventionals that aren't packed to the brim with expensive loot, or even just split into two separate gangs if more than that is asking too much, that way both more people can get involved and if they insist on expensive loot it's more evenly spread. As an added bonus if they split into smaller gangs once the CCP group was knocked out it would degenerate into a general free for all, as in lowsec most neighbours tend to be a lot more hostile than in NAP 0.0.

splitting into smaller gangs is a bad idea when they carry things like T2 BPOs. You *HAVE* to work for that sort of reward. Making it something that a fleet of a bunch of random people could take down is plain ******** - T2 BPOs are the sort of thing that can influence strategic balance and alliance-level income. Having tons of these in the hands of random newbies sort of breaks the game.

CCP can't do an event where you shoot them in highsec for that requires for the to exist outside the normal game mechanics to avoid concord which they won't do.
They can do lowsec...which they did.....

splitting into smaller gangs is a bad idea when they carry things like T2 BPOs. You *HAVE* to work for that sort of reward. Making it something that a fleet of a bunch of random people could take down is plain ******** - T2 BPOs are the sort of thing that can influence strategic balance and alliance-level income. Having tons of these in the hands of random newbies sort of breaks the game.

splitting into smaller gangs is a bad idea when they carry things like T2 BPOs. You *HAVE* to work for that sort of reward. Making it something that a fleet of a bunch of random people could take down is plain ******** - T2 BPOs are the sort of thing that can influence strategic balance and alliance-level income. Having tons of these in the hands of random newbies sort of breaks the game.

post reeks of ignorance, be it willful or due to being new.

It's a game, have fun. Also most people that got stuff were not major alliance players.

But still it's a game. There is no real value to anything being dropped, your real life will go on just fine.

CCP is often in a no win scenario, where someone is going to ***** no matter what they do. OP's suggestions for different variations are worth considering, but we should remember that you can't please everyone, all of the time.

Or they could just set themselves all at -10 and go at it for as long as they survive.

Mr Epeen

Absolutely.

Let me put it this way.

In nullsec, you do whatever the F you want the CEO, FC or Director tells you. Absolute freedom serfdom. Lowsec, you have freedom with consequences and limits. Highsec is so watered down that its missing half of what makes EVE the game it is.

Try actually exploring the galaxy, getting out of your comfort zone, and you will very rapidly begin to realize that highsec is a starting zone packed to the brim with new players and man babies.

CCP sending the message that if you can't recruit over 1,000 people to your alliance, you shouldn't bother playing EVE.

but a potential 7b in loot? Really?

Silly OP, the event before this was not far from jita in lowsec, and this one was in NPC 0.0. While eventually large entities did show up to the first one, the vast majority of the loot went to randoms in small fast ships just looting stuff.


So.... that's a lot to you? Come on, there's officer mods that are that expensive, a single jump freighter is like 6b or something. 7b sounds plenty acceptable to me for a small event like this.

CCP sending the message that if you can't recruit over 1,000 people to your alliance, you shouldn't bother playing EVE.

Whens the last time someone complained that characters in the starting zones for a traditional MMO couldn't raid or take part in high-level events?
Because that is exactly what you're doing.

I remember this one time there was a competition and I was like "woah cool! I can totally win this" then I saw it was in the USA and got really mad I didn't live there and so contacted the organisers and demanded that not only they moved it and restricted it to my small town in England, but also to cut out the middle man and just give me the prizes.

ITT: self entitled pricks.

You couldn't be there? tough. You don't have any friends? your own fault. Can't fly a small fast ninja ship to loot? deal with it.

Overall, stop whining and just get on with it.

I remember this one time there was a competition and I was like "woah cool! I can totally win this" then I saw it was in the USA and got really mad I didn't live there and so contacted the organisers and demanded that not only they moved it and restricted it to my small town in England, but also to cut out the middle man and just give me the prizes.

ITT: self entitled pricks.

You couldn't be there? tough. You don't have any friends? your own fault. Can't fly a small fast ninja ship to loot? deal with it.

Overall, stop whining and just get on with it.

At no point did I suggest I wanted any of the loot, nor that I even wanted to go out of the way to fight them myself. Needless to say Psychophantic's response to you holds a valid point; that there are options available in your scenario, however in Eve most people do not have 80 friends to just call up on a whim, there are no options at the moment to accommodate them.

I question your use of friends in that post too. I for one fly with a group of pilots, nearly all of which I've known for several years, there are a few others I fly with regularly who I know well too, though not for quite as long. I do not know 60-80 people in eve this well. Do you? I'm willing to bet that if I were in a large alliance I wouldn't even know this number as well as I do. If numbers is how you enjoy the game, then by all means go stick in your 0.0 alliance of which you only know a handful. I personally don't see the fun in fighting a 200 vs 60-80 fleet in which the later are both out numbered and, crucially, out experienced. Each to their own I guess.

As I've now noted in the OP I do now realise it was only one ship filled with loot, imagine if it had it been a fleet of 40-60 ships carrying a similar amount of loot in each one then you'd understand why I had, in my ignorance, posted the OP. My mistake.

This is a learning experience for everyone involved.

Ok, homework to learn for next time: stomp on those BPO rumors immediately.

Also @ Handsome *******: It's in the middle of the night for me, so I can't get along to them either.

So you griped about a loot drop?

"Oh hey guys, sure wish you'd waited on that freighter kill until I could get online, thanks anyway."

Some strike it big, some don't. Nut up, it's EVE.

Unlike some people it seems that even I'm not directly affected by something I disagree with I'm willing to do something about it.

As far as Eve being a social game, well yes it is, however it's been proposed in scientific circles that a humans actual social group only extends so far; the proposed top end of people that a single person can really know and care for is ~150, beyond that it's largely numbers that are categorised into groups (work, school, city, nation, religion).

With this in mind, it seems pretty accurate for myself, in that there are a number of people I fly with regularly, a number I associate with but only occasionally fly with them, and then random people I know around Eve who I fly with once in a blue moon, if I pulled all of them together we would indeed have enough to fight an 80 man battleship / logi gang, if I could get them all online at once at one place.

I could ask several corps to come along, but then there's all their internal politics / agendas which need to be taken into account (a lot of my contacts are hostile towards one another too). As far as my connections in Eve go, I like to think I'm reasonably well connected around the Eve universe, but it would be far too much effort to make all these different groups work together.

An alliance on the other hand already has a hierarchy built in, they just need one an FC to put out the call and people will get onto it, because it's what they're used to doing, they're used to working as a group, it also means they will end up with far more people than they actually need since no Eve alliance is going to say first come first served. This means that for a large BS / logi CCP fleet the end result will always be CCP drastically outnumbered by the likes of PL/NC.

stuff

The big alliances are successfully taking advantage of this event because they are successful people.

Other players are not, therefore they have no shot at this.

So I will ask this.


Why should a peasant, content to wallow in his own filth and never improve, be rewarded?

Thank you for the condescending tone.

CBA actually writing out long responses any more but as the things line up from the top of my head here are a few points:

1) I too know hundreds of people, however there are only handful who I really know well and would actually be upset about if something really bad happened to them, the rest I'd feel bad sure, maybe ruin my day a little. Also note the use of proposed, I did recognise in passing that it's not anything more than a theory.

2) Caps are easy to kill, even supers, they're also easy to keep pinned down. An 80 man fleet is not.

3) Multiboxing is what we do as a coping mechanism against the blob warfare that's so common in eve. It's not the best answer.

4) Blobbing to fight the blob is not the ideal solution either and is not what's good for eve in the long run (although yes, fleet fights can be exciting too).

5) If they split the CCP fleets into several seperate gangs, then yes, they're inevitably going to end up fighting larger numbers, but on the other hand the fights as a whole will be smaller and could add for more diverse interesting FFA developing.

6) As for this freighter that people keep mentioning, I stayed up a while last night and I did get the freighter. http://imgur.com/sVkDy

Joining a 0.0 alliance is all downhill from where I am, you 0.0 scrub.

Whens the last time someone complained that characters in the starting zones for a traditional MMO couldn't raid or take part in high-level events?
Because that is exactly what you're doing.

It always amazed me that with so many talented dev's artists, writers ect in CCP the one aspect of the game they always seem to fall down on is events. They really need to get away from blob warfare and single system events to try include more of the playerbase. This event just reminds me of a event they ran in stain many years back, the feedback from players was nearly the same and the outcome was nearly the same, ccp event blob gets taken down by massive 0.0 alliance fleet.

Not saying there is not space for events like the above but CCP never seem to utilise the full potential of Eve and what could be done as regards events.

Unfortunatly with CCP's track record, all these events are about is the loot that drops, 0.0 alliances certainly do not take part in them for a fun trilling narrative, to coin a phrase from D&D "Monty haul", CCP are like them really bad rpg DM's that make the loot the most important aspect as opposed to the storyline or narrative.

my 2 cents

You know, given how you quit the game like a foot-stamping baby, it's really quite ironic to see you give out this advice to others.

The fleet was in the Great Wildlands, NPC 0.0 where you don't need thousands of pilots because no one has sov.

Why should hisec carebears who do not put the effort into running a large PvP oriented alliance be party to the same rewards? Why should those protected by concord have the same reward without the risk?

**** off. Want to print isk? Do hisec incursions where no one will touch you. Take risks, put in the effort and you can reap the rewards of nullsec.

Nerf hi-sec Incursion rewarde.

Let's compromise. Have the event in high sec so that everybody can participate, just turn concord off during the event so it can happen.

This event is not for the "Average Player".

CCP are bringing a battleship fleet with logistics and are attempting to put a proper fleet doctrine together. I'm going to assume that someone in CCP has at least led a fleet or two and they're going to actually try and get better at this.

If they do and them coming to play this game becomes a regular event, I would HOPE that they continue to do it in null sec.

I would further hope that they start taking on capital ships.

In the end, if you would like to get involved with these fleets you'll have to be apart of the non-average player base of EVE who lives in null/low sec and participate in fleet warfare. An entity who can fight 40-50 BS fleets.

CCP can't do an event where you shoot them in highsec for that requires for the to exist outside the normal game mechanics to avoid concord which they won't do.
They can do lowsec...which they did.....

Well gosh, if people are going to be intentionally excluded from things because they don't play the game the way the "big" kids think they should play, then they shouldn't have to pay as much. I'd say a third less, sounds about right.

But at any rate, thank you for exhibiting the reason most people don't want to get involved in Nulsec anymore...the sense of entitlement and superiority that has become rather pervasive in Nulsec. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have a democratic and republican party in Eve. Good luck seeing anything done.

During both the latest events all CCP pilots have been set to -10, so everyone could shoot at them without security or concord hits.

Doing those events in lo/null doesn't lock anyone out, while moving them to hisec would lock out people with negative security standing.

Hitting any event like this does include a good chance of getting your ship blown up and possible getting podded

(Well CCP will not pod you, unless you're Darius III, but others might.)

So why would a lo/null setting lock anyone out?

During both the latest events all CCP pilots have been set to -10, so everyone could shoot at them without security or concord hits.

Doing those events in lo/null doesn't lock anyone out, while moving them to hisec would lock out people with negative security standing.

Hitting any event like this does include a good chance of getting your ship blown up and possible getting podded

(Well CCP will not pod you, unless you're Darius III, but others might.)

So why would a lo/null setting lock anyone out?

Funny you mention that.

If an event is in high sec, it does lock out those who can't go to high sec.

But let's consider that when an event is in lowsec, pretty much EVERYBODY in highsec is locked out because to get to low or 0.0, there's the usual gank pipelines and bubble camps.

So who is being locked out?

If someone in high sec wants to go to 0.0 for an event, they will be stopped or face many who will stop them.

But if someone in 0.0 wants to go the other way for a high sec event, all they have to do it get to high sec.

As usual, the gate mechanics are killing the game.

There is absolutely nothing keeping a player out of low or nullsec besides themselves. A -10 individual is kept out of empire by game mechanics. There are no game mechanics keeping anybody out of null or lowsec space.

Bubbles and blobs are possible via game mechanics.

You get a -10 status from your own actions. Probably from being the gate camper.

Know the difference.


Can a gate at least warp you into a 150KM drop off range instead of 15KM? Nope. OK then, no feeding ships to people who choose to be -10. No going to low/0.0.

See how that works?

No, going into a guaranteed suicide would just be stupid. See - you're there already.

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:facepalm:

You're not going into low or nullsec because you WON'T.

-10 won't go to highsec because he CAN'T

See the difference?

Edit - To elaborate, there is no tools provided to a player that will let him escape concord indefinatley. As a matter of fact that's a bannable offense.

Flip the coin, there are SEVERAL tools provided to you to enter low and null and avoid players entirely.

People with limited time to grind ISK and no support at the endpoint are simply throwing away ISK when they try to breach the Great Wall of Carebear where bears exist on BOTH sides

The only reliable tool for that has been the wormhole, and I get into 0.0 and exploit sites in 0.0 SOV systems that are empty for weeks.

If that's the tool, then you are correct. But all those other tools only work around 70 percent of the time, and that's when there is no publicly known live event down the line. I never minded testing all of the techniques that get posted on the forums - that's what a disposable alt is good for, right? Warp here, warp there, bookmark this, bookmark that, check this map, check that stat - it's nearly as boring as mining. Heck it's do boring that getting ganked feels like a favor.

My way has been 100 percent effective since wormholes were added to the game - but to be conservative I will say 99 percent.

The "usual way" is 70 percent, meaning that loss is inevitable.

Would you let someone shoot at you if I told you there was only a 30 percent chance of being shot?

People with limited time to grind ISK and no support at the endpoint are simply throwing away ISK when they try to breach the Great Wall of Carebear where bears exist on BOTH sides (because those 0.0 systems are mostly empty and those who exploit them do so with minimal risk). If you are one of those people sitting on those gate and bubble camps that comprise the wall, you have a strange way of playing that's as boring as mining and you might have been suckered by whoever you are renting from.

Live events are great, but if attending means padding some ganktards KB, forget it. Since nothing ever survives a camp, and that is called "PVP", then I will engage in PVP too by not giving you a chance to kill me. Fair is fair.

"The "usual way" is 70 percent, meaning that loss is inevitable. "

Would you let someone shoot at you if I told you there was only a 30 percent chance of being shot?

What happens when a -10 comes into highsec with a ship? Boom concord blows him up (Game Mechanic)

Well gosh, if people are going to be intentionally excluded from things because they don't play the game the way the "big" kids think they should play, then they shouldn't have to pay as much. I'd say a third less, sounds about right.

But at any rate, thank you for exhibiting the reason most people don't want to get involved in Nulsec anymore...the sense of entitlement and superiority that has become rather pervasive in Nulsec. Ladies and gentlemen, we now have a democratic and republican party in Eve. Good luck seeing anything done.

They set up this loot fleet in 0.0 pretty much saying FU to people based in high sec and once again favoring their buddy alliances.

Who can keep others out with bubbles and such.

CCP flubs again.

CCP can't do an event where you shoot them in highsec for that requires for the to exist outside the normal game mechanics to avoid concord which they won't do.
They can do lowsec...which they did.....

since all the wrecks were popped by bombs ccp gave us all monocles.

Prob not much of a real prize compared to what we could have gotten.

Guess who's alliance didn't loot a damn wreck making you and everybody in this thread and all the threads like it look ********.




We came for the fight, not the loot, If you had sent out 3 small fleets we would have simply split up in 3 places and gone to them all, we like them too.

Stop blaming us because you're bad.

Including you?

Ccp I double dare u to do a op in amamake

PL is one of the best PVP alliances in this game. Arguably, we are THE best, but some people might disagree with that. Fair enough. :)

The difference between us and most other players is that we are organized. We have ships prepped, ready to go. We have the doctrines and tactics to go with the ships. We have the scouts to tell us where to go. We have the FCs to tell us who to shoot.

This is not rocket science. In fact, most larger alliances have this, as do many smaller alliances and even single corporations. Don't cry if you are not part of this kind of organization. Instead, find some people in this game to fly with and you can be part of something like this as well.

CCP has hinted that there may be more events besides these. That's your que.

Find a group of people that are preparing for the next event. If you can't find one, create one of your own. Announce it on the forums, on facebook and twitter. Create an in-game channel to coordinate. Create a thread on the forums with fittings for players of various skillpoints and finances. Get richer players to pay for T1 tackling frigates or destroyers, so that new players who couldn't afford to join otherwise can take part. Get people with FC experience to lead the fleets, get scouts to guide the FCs. Create a corporation that people can join. Create an alliance that brings in even more people. Make friends in EVE, make enemies. Fly with those friends and shoot your enemies.

There actually was a guy that did something not too unlike this. He announced it on a forum and created a corporation. He got players to join, both new and old. He got older, richer players to help out the newer ones. This corporation got FCs, created an alliance, and made both friends and enemies.

This alliance is called Test Alliance Please Ignore, and they were flying alongside us, in the PL fleet, tonight. They are one of the best alliances in this game.

REALITY CHECK

This is Eve Online. CCP enters the game in a fleet to interact with players, the only way to counter an organized fleet is with another organized fleet. Only 0.0 alliances or low sec pirate corps have experience with organized fleets.

WTF ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO IN HIGH SEC?!? HAVE A TICKLE FIGHT?

Seriously. This is the coolest **** in any MMO. I've never heard of so many developers and GM's interacting live with players. This should be encouraged. Quit crying.

Or maybe they can make a Hulk fleet and have a mining op so the "average" player could participate. But that would be boring as hell wouldn't it. You want 'em to run a mission with you?

REALITY CHECK

This is Eve Online. CCP enters the game in a fleet to interact with players, the only way to counter an organized fleet is with another organized fleet. Only 0.0 alliances or low sec pirate corps have experience with organized fleets.

WTF ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO IN HIGH SEC?!? HAVE A TICKLE FIGHT?

Seriously. This is the coolest **** in any MMO. I've never heard of so many developers and GM's interacting live with players. This should be encouraged. Quit crying.

Or maybe they can make a Hulk fleet and have a mining op so the "average" player could participate. But that would be boring as hell wouldn't it. You want 'em to run a mission with you?

You're either trolling or illiterate.

Nary a single person is complaining about CCP having fleets. Yes, let them fly around whereever and go pew to their hearts content. Awesome. Do it every weekend, even. It's a great thing.

Just don't give away billions upon billions in isk while you're doing it. Stop making the rich richer. Stop gifting all this **** to players. Shooting CCP is fun and rewarding enough to do it on the merits of just... DOING IT. You don't need isk-laden cargoholds. It's just T20 all over again, giving billions upon billions to their friends, creating materials out of thin air to inject into what is supposed to be a player driven economy.

REALITY CHECK

This is Eve Online. CCP enters the game in a fleet to interact with players, the only way to counter an organized fleet is with another organized fleet. Only 0.0 alliances or low sec pirate corps have experience with organized fleets.

WTF ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO DO IN HIGH SEC?!? HAVE A TICKLE FIGHT?

Seriously. This is the coolest **** in any MMO. I've never heard of so many developers and GM's interacting live with players. This should be encouraged. Quit crying.

Or maybe they can make a Hulk fleet and have a mining op so the "average" player could participate. But that would be boring as hell wouldn't it. You want 'em to run a mission with you?

I couldn't care less about joining in the turkey shoot, but it would have been nice to see it more in empire than 0.0, I know people say "well you could get your lazy carebear arse into 0.0 and join in", but realistically that's not going to happen that much, the popular entry points into 0.0 will be camped, so the chances of getting up there are questionable.

I'm glad CCP are coming out and interacting with the playerbase more, but it could be on a smaller scale, say a couple of average frigs or cruisers flying around empire, not uber fitted, with a few goodies in the hold, make it more often and less rewards, that way it might not create such a sh!tstorm when they do run them. I'm not saying exclude 0.0 or lowsec, but give the empire carebears a little taste of PvP, you never know, they might get to like it and become PvP'ers themselves.

No risk, no reward. Also those 2 little frigs or cruisers would be instantly blobbed by everyone in the first hisec system on a gate, and then we'd have to hear you whine about how they didn't choose YOUR system to spawn in, and CCP is excluding the Caldari hisec in favor of Amarr, or some other such crap.

If you want to play with the big fleets, you get to come out to where we are. And I'd much rather have the devs actually, you know, doing their jobs and using these fleets as in-house training into what is right and wrong about null PVP rather than pander to the unwashed horde. (protip: that's you)

Then you would understand how simplistic the mechanics of highsec are compared to the rest of EVE. It is a starting zone, through and through - there is little opportunity for real profit outside market manipulation, and nearly all of the risk-reward gameplay that is so fundamental to EVE is simply absent. Also, I would highly recommend you don't use relative age as a judge of knowledge or character, because this certainly wasn't my first character, and your initial post reeks of ignorance, be it willful or due to being new.

Saw last night that I was actually able to go and see this event live. Flew 15 jumps over in a Thrasher (not wanting to risk anything else in what could be a lag fest). Passed through an incursion zone on the way there. Flew in to the middle of the fight right as the defense fleet appeared and watched in slide show awe the fight before me. Got popped.

I then ran back and got a rookie ship and returned to see if I could grab some salvage. Got popped.

So once more to the station for a rookie ship and left the system to go deeper in to null. Ended up picking up a rifter a few jumps later and arming it. Then flew in to a different Incursion area and looted several player wrecks. Dropped my loot in a trade hub, ran back to get some more salvage in the incursion area, got shot at by NPCs and players while doing so.

End result, after about 50 jumps and losing two ships I was up about 50 million isk. Sure I didn't pick up any PLEX or uber ship fitting. I didn't win any PVP fights either, but I did race out in to null at what was potentially the 'worst time to do so' from a safety standpoint, made a profit, and had some fun doing it.

-Your average mostly high-sec carebear

The only things I'm sadd about is that one:
-it was too far away and wasn't willing to do almost 70/80 jumps to get hotdroped faster than I can spell it.

Oups forgot the "two" (very important internets stufz)
-couldn't get CCP Punkturis corpse

Saw last night that I was actually able to go and see this event live. Flew 15 jumps over in a Thrasher (not wanting to risk anything else in what could be a lag fest). Passed through an incursion zone on the way there. Flew in to the middle of the fight right as the defense fleet appeared and watched in slide show awe the fight before me. Got popped.

I then ran back and got a rookie ship and returned to see if I could grab some salvage. Got popped.

So once more to the station for a rookie ship and left the system to go deeper in to null. Ended up picking up a rifter a few jumps later and arming it. Then flew in to a different Incursion area and looted several player wrecks. Dropped my loot in a trade hub, ran back to get some more salvage in the incursion area, got shot at by NPCs and players while doing so.

End result, after about 50 jumps and losing two ships I was up about 50 million isk. Sure I didn't pick up any PLEX or uber ship fitting. I didn't win any PVP fights either, but I did race out in to null at what was potentially the 'worst time to do so' from a safety standpoint, made a profit, and had some fun doing it.

-Your average mostly high-sec carebear

why do people itt think PL/NCdot/anyone in nullsec gives a **** about 17b or whatever the drop was?

Joining a 0.0 alliance is all downhill from where I am, you 0.0 scrub.