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Princess Nexxala
Gallente
ORIGIN SYSTEMS
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Posted - 2006.12.19 11:23:00 -
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Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 19/12/2006 11:23:39
FFS!
what is it with these posts!
i am a skilled HAC pilot, that makes my HAC tough. Could i beat a new Tier 2 BC - Yes. i beat a raven a wk ago in my ishtar.
Its all about the PILOT!
if i spec'd in a new BC then am sure i would pwn a HAC.
yes the new BC are good but dont underestimate a HAC.
most HAC pilots are skilled and know what they are doing.
Jeeez! Its more about the pilot, less about the ship.
Bottom line - a good skilled PvP pilot will take a average skilled pilot, iregardless of BC or HAC.
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Laythun
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.19 11:28:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Princess Nexxala
Edited by: Princess Nexxala on 19/12/2006 11:23:39
FFS!
what is it with these posts!
i am a skilled HAC pilot, that makes my HAC tough. Could i beat a new Tier 2 BC - Yes. i beat a raven a wk ago in my ishtar.
Its all about the PILOT!
if i spec'd in a new BC then am sure i would pwn a HAC.
yes the new BC are good but dont underestimate a HAC.
most HAC pilots are skilled and know what they are doing.
Jeeez! Its more about the pilot, less about the ship.
Bottom line - a good skilled PvP pilot will take a average skilled pilot, iregardless of BC or HAC.
i pwn ur ishtar in my harbinger!ú"!ú!"ú!ú"$1
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:14:00 -
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If you take the price of a vagabond.. buy 4 drakes.. now put a single vagabond a gainst 4 drakes and see who wins? No doubts on thta. 1v1 is not the only thing in game. For solo HAC are great, but for a cost bennefit view the BC rule. Even on tier 1. get 10 Cyclone and put against 1 vaga.. lol
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:42:00 -
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What realy makes a HAC effective is the fact that when you see one you can expect a highly skill pionted player with T2/faction gear and implants.
Teir 2 BCs on the other hand maybe piloted by a 2mill sp player useing t1/named with little in the way of pvp experiance.
The question we need to ask is what happens when the high skill pointed HAC pilots plug there t2 gear into a BC and can pvp alot more often in a almost equaly effective ship at a fraction of the cost, you see what you see now lots of BCs in low sec looking for a fight.
The BC changes were a mastersroke and HAC prices have all ready started to plummet the only thing that will change once they get closer to there production cost is a slow migration back into HAC's.
The fact a relitively young corp can field alot of cheap effective ships(that they feel can compete with groups of hacs) will bring newer players into pvp and thats good for every one.
So while i cant agree that the HAC is dead there currant profit margin is.
Why spend 400 mill on ship and fittings when you can have as much fun in a ship 100 mill plus fittings.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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The Knight
Gallente
The Crucible
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:49:00 -
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I'm pretty highly skilled in both BC and HAC, having specialized in HACs quite a bit. I fly the Myrm and think its a great ship, but at the end of the day my Ishtar would eat a Myrm and crap out little Tristans.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: The Knight
I'm pretty highly skilled in both BC and HAC, having specialized in HACs quite a bit. I fly the Myrm and think its a great ship, but at the end of the day my Ishtar would eat a Myrm and crap out little Tristans.
You have used a fairly poor example to prove that HACs are better than BC, setup corretly a Myrm can kill a HAC and the same is true vice versa.
Your Ishtar maybe able to eat "your" Myrm because you know what setup both are useing i could say my Zelot eats my Herbinger but i cant say my Zelot eats anyones BC till it actualy does.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
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Posted - 2006.12.19 13:03:00 -
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One of my corp mate used to solo 6/10s and 8/10s in a cerberus.
Average time, 10-20minutes.
You can't do that in a BC. Been there tried that, lost my ship. The resistances and speeds favour the HACs so much, it just hurts.
HACs are very good at what they do. BCs are just too slow for it.
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Brother Tycho
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.12.19 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus
One of my corp mate used to solo 6/10s and 8/10s in a cerberus.
Average time, 10-20minutes.
You can't do that in a BC. Been there tried that, lost my ship. The resistances and speeds favour the HACs so much, it just hurts.
HACs are very good at what they do. BCs are just too slow for it.
As no ship in the game does what the Cerb does best (speed and ranged DPS) it does not prove it to be better than a BC in pvp people dont behave like NPC's.
It's great being Amarr, aint it?
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The Knight
Gallente
The Crucible
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.19 13:15:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Brother Tycho
Originally by: The Knight
I'm pretty highly skilled in both BC and HAC, having specialized in HACs quite a bit. I fly the Myrm and think its a great ship, but at the end of the day my Ishtar would eat a Myrm and crap out little Tristans.
You have used a fairly poor example to prove that HACs are better than BC, setup corretly a Myrm can kill a HAC and the same is true vice versa.
Your Ishtar maybe able to eat "your" Myrm because you know what setup both are useing i could say my Zelot eats my Herbinger but i cant say my Zelot eats anyones BC till it actualy does.
I haven't attempted to prove that HACS are better than BC's in fact, the Myrm is very typical of a poor mans Ishtar and so comparisons to an Ishtar seem applicable.
I also didn't rely on my own personal setups or skills in making a comparison between an Ishtar and Myrm, but simply used the generic ship info and bonuses. On paper..the Ishtar should out perform the Myrm becuase the Myrm has a limited drone bay and no specific bonus to medium guns. The nice thing a Myrm has going for it is the great medium armor repper bonus, but one could easily argue the tech II resists of the ishtar even the playing field.
I enjoy both ships, but each have their own roles and neither makes the other obsolete.
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:01:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Brother Tycho
Originally by: Laboratus
One of my corp mate used to solo 6/10s and 8/10s in a cerberus.
Average time, 10-20minutes.
You can't do that in a BC. Been there tried that, lost my ship. The resistances and speeds favour the HACs so much, it just hurts.
HACs are very good at what they do. BCs are just too slow for it.
As no ship in the game does what the Cerb does best (speed and ranged DPS) it does not prove it to be better than a BC in pvp people dont behave like NPC's.
The "point" of this thread is that Tier 2 BC have obsoleted HACS.
I just pointed out it is not true.
Hence the "point" you made, is redundant.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:18:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Mighty Baz
Edited by: Mighty Baz on 17/12/2006 11:53:44
R.I.P. HACs
btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm?
10b max , probably
HAC as the best ship for 3/10 plex farming 
cheerss
Couldn't you have just put "WHAAAAA" like the rest of them crybabies?
Waste of characters I say.
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JoeT
Amarr
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:43:00 -
[72]
Hac's
solo 4/10's :)
and heavy tacklers
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2006.12.19 14:46:00 -
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The price will change to what the market will pay. For crying out loud, people forget that the material cost of a HAC is nowhere near the 300 mill asking price of them!
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.19 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: JoeT
Hac's
solo 4/10's :)
and heavy tacklers
you i'm afraid have no idea.
fly an ishtar, cerb, VAGA!, or others and then say that.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr
Pirates of Destruction Union
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Posted - 2006.12.19 16:56:00 -
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When I read this, all I think is "Subarus made Ferraris useless." Fact of the matter is, if you're a Suby fan, you're a Suby fan. If you love Ferraris, you love Ferraris. Does the fact that an STI can kill a 360 change their prices? Nope. Same thing here.
Nine times out of ten, the 360 is going to blow the doors off of whatever it comes across. Against a skilled STI driver, it's going to lose. Same thing here.
You want a HAC and can afford a HAC? Buy a HAC. You want BC? Fly a BC.
Out.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:01:00 -
[76]
If you all really think HAC's suck then please escrow me yours really cheap. I hate it when people can't use ships correctly.
P.S
The new BC's do rock but that doesn't mean HAC's suck.
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The Knight
Gallente
The Crucible
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:39:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
If you all really think HAC's suck then please escrow me yours really cheap. I hate it when people can't use ships correctly.
P.S
The new BC's do rock but that doesn't mean HAC's suck.
You still fly your Vaga with a low rack of WCS, or has the new nerf kind of impacted your setup?
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.19 19:54:00 -
[78]
Originally by: The Knight
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
If you all really think HAC's suck then please escrow me yours really cheap. I hate it when people can't use ships correctly.
P.S
The new BC's do rock but that doesn't mean HAC's suck.
You still fly your Vaga with a low rack of WCS, or has the new nerf kind of impacted your setup?
not sure exactly what that has to do with this thread tbh
but on that point. is anyone single person in eve going to be putting their vaga into dock because their hurriance has made it obsolete?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mighty Baz
who wants to buy HAC for more than 100m?
People who don't realize they can pay under 100m for a CBC which will stomp the hell out of a HAC or a tier 2 BC?
Hmm... Cerberus, Drake, or NH, which can tank both the Cerberus and Drake.
HACs are very nice in some situations, however I would not make a habit out of using a HAC to take on skilled pilots in tier 2 BCs.
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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PathetiQ
Gallente
The Rat Pack
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Posted - 2006.12.19 23:55:00 -
[80]
OMG you guys are weird... Hac FTW!!! :P
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.12.20 01:14:00 -
[81]
Originally by: The Knight
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
If you all really think HAC's suck then please escrow me yours really cheap. I hate it when people can't use ships correctly.
P.S
The new BC's do rock but that doesn't mean HAC's suck.
You still fly your Vaga with a low rack of WCS, or has the new nerf kind of impacted your setup?
All my Vagabonds have been armor tanked. Only ships I fitted WCS's too were Rapiers and Tempests.
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DarkElf
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.12.20 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 20/12/2006 01:18:48
rapier and tempest stabbed?
armour tanked vaga
DE
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Dana Barrett
Sanguine Legion
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Posted - 2006.12.20 04:10:00 -
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OP makes a good point in some aspects....why should I buy a Cerberus over a Drake? Or even over a Nighthawk? Cerberus can't tank like a drake can, the only benefits are speed, scan res, and sig radius.
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The Praetor
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.12.20 04:28:00 -
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My 500W Infectious Power System Malfunctions love the taste of HAC's.
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Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.12.20 04:51:00 -
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Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 20/12/2006 04:54:09
Edited by: Famine Aligher''ri on 20/12/2006 04:51:59
Originally by: DarkElf
Edited by: DarkElf on 20/12/2006 01:18:48
rapier and tempest stabbed?
armour tanked vaga
DE
Unlike you I do not mimic my setups. Vaga with armor tank? Better tank than shield tanking obviously. Viable? Yes... To say otherwise means you know nothing about the ship shield tanking, armor tanking, or no tanking. Non stabbed Vaga, and you still complain. Next please...
Stabbed Tempest hrrmm Why would my Tempest be stabbed including a Rapier that has cloaking technology. I mean it can cloak for god sakes. Why do people put stabs on there ships? To escape... It's fun jumping into a crowd with a Rapier and ECM jamming 3 people to kill 1 then escaping due to the 4th able to scramble you. It's like assasination baby. You wouldn't know anything about tactics. You're still stuck on cookie cutter setups and mimican what others say is bad. Solo is the only way to live. Also something you know nothing about. Next please ;)
Before you even attempt to reply to my response. Have you flown a Rapier with WCS's on in PvP? Have you dont the same with the Tempest? How about armor tanking the Vagabond for example. If the answer is no to all 3. Then why are you even posting a reply... When you figure that out, you will understand why we have less real combat pilots in EVE who actually know anything about the system.
wtb real pilots commenting on setups please. 
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Cynic Tool
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Posted - 2006.12.21 05:15:00 -
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I would love to see a Tier 2 BC solo Enemies Abound (5 of 5), which BTW I can do in my Zealot.
Hmm useless? I think not.
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Battle Tested
Caldari
Safe Haven
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Posted - 2006.12.21 05:30:00 -
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srry i have to disagree, drake is awesome...yes...but a cerberus with proper skills, passive tank, and the new heavy assault missiles with the proper skills and the massive bonuses makes it that much better. i will put my cerberus up against a drake 1v1 anyday
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AcheLone
Caldari
Sole Survivor Agency
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Posted - 2006.12.21 06:30:00 -
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i don't see the point of HAC price going down. Sure Tier 2 BC can pawn HAC in some occasion but it just too vurnerable to Battleship which HAC can handle quite good. ITs just like Tier2 BC = Rock, HAC = Scissor, BS = Paper.
So Rock please meet Paper, Paper please meet Scissor and Scissor please meet Rock.
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Mighty Baz
HUSARIA
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mighty Baz on 21/12/2006 13:26:46
i just destroyed vaga last time by my myrmidon
as i said HAC was nice cruz ship like a assault frigate was a nice frig, for some special mission or sth.
I used sentry drons , btw lvl 5 , dms is awesome inculding myrmidon drone bonus. range of fire 80km
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2006.12.21 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: AcheLone
i don't see the point of HAC price going down. Sure Tier 2 BC can pawn HAC in some occasion but it just too vurnerable to Battleship which HAC can handle quite good. ITs just like Tier2 BC = Rock, HAC = Scissor, BS = Paper.
So Rock please meet Paper, Paper please meet Scissor and Scissor please meet Rock.
you know.. rock paper and scissors dotn work when you hit two rocks until you put the paper on fire and use it to melt the scissors.
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