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Xori Ruscuv Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:26:00 - [31] Originally by: Mighty Baz R.I.P. HACs TBH, as long as Vagabond > everything that doesn't shoot missiles, well... it ain't going anywhere. It's great playing Caldari-online, isn't it? This IS my main! I just did a portrait swap...
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.12.15 17:27:00 - [32] Until you're willing to sell me Vagabonds at less than 100mil each, don't post a topic like this. Thank you. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Mighty Baz HUSARIA	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:40:00 - [33] no HAC is worth this amount like atm, after bc tier 2 released ______________________________________________ Husaria recruits based on legendary XVI century Polish winged cavalry
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2006.12.15 18:59:00 - [34] HAC vs BC is an endless debate and it all depends on what you intend to do. the HAC is probally one of the best all out combat ships in game but it is a very single minded roll. the Battlecruiser brings a highly adaptable frame to the battlefield for a low price and is fully insured.
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.12.15 20:13:00 - [35] Originally by: Mighty Baz R.I.P. HACs btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm? 10b max , probably and the best ship for 3/10 plex farming cheerss A bigger ship gives a smaller ship problems? Oh no! The new BC have good damage, but if you're facing a BS there's no doubt in my mind as to which ship i'd prefer, shooting at 260m signature isn't exactly hard in a BS, and T1 resistances isn't impressive. I run level 3's as easily in my AF as in my BC due to the signature and high resists, this is the same deal. /Y ---------- It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2006.12.15 21:02:00 - [36] Originally by: Mighty Baz Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:44:24 Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:35:50 Edited by: Mighty Baz on 15/12/2006 09:35:30 R.I.P. HACs btw how much is worth any bpo of hac atm? 10b max , probably and the best ship for 3/10 plex farming cheerss Anyone selling an Eagle or Cerberus BPO for 10billion ISK please evemail me ASAP! Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
JenDen Caldari LFS Corp	Posted - 2006.12.15 22:18:00 - [37] Originally by: Mighty Baz no HAC is worth this amount like atm, after bc tier 2 released All HACs worth time since HAC lvl4 is a prequesite for CommandShips which are way better in any ways. New BCs are pretty good in gang fight, but they still can't compare to HACs for soloing lvl4 agents. Yes, Drake can get pretty good resistances, but having twice larger signature than Cerberus makes it suffer a lot from BSs.
Mighty Baz HUSARIA	Posted - 2006.12.16 11:24:00 - [38] Edited by: Mighty Baz on 16/12/2006 11:24:36 i fly both, and as old player i tell you one, no HAC has any chance to kill me in my new one BC tier2, it means drake or myrmidon. So it's true the ege of HAC's legend is gone for ever. ______________________________________________ Husaria recruits based on legendary XVI century Polish winged cavalry
Tiger Tamer	Posted - 2006.12.16 12:09:00 - [39] Originally by: Mighty Baz Edited by: Mighty Baz on 16/12/2006 11:24:36 i fly both, and as old player i tell you one, no HAC has any chance to kill me in my new one BC tier2, it means drake or myrmidon. So it's true the ege of HAC's legend is gone for ever. Aren't there other ships than BCs? Does everyone mine and haul in the new BCs? Cause you make it sound like they are the only targets around. I mean, if the only thing there was to shoot at was BCs, and BC > HAC always, then yeah of course HACs are useless. So is that the case? Would a BS setup to kill a cruiser give a HAC a run for it's money? Cause I always thought that's what a BC was supposed to emulate.
Jahria Jaeger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:20:00 - [40] Edited by: Jahria Jaeger on 17/12/2006 11:21:54 yeap, R.I.P. HACs , nobody wants to spent too much money if stats of them are the similar like new one bc tier 2 SO, the producers of HACs will have to drop prices. Proper price should be 50-60 m per each
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:46:00 - [41] HACs suck, Tier 2 BCs are the new kings, but because I have a special place in my heart, I will buy all your HACs for 50mil, and 10bn for the BPOs. Only for nostalgia value, you understand.
LordKain The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:50:00 - [42] poor t2's producers
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:00:00 - [43] Originally by: Mighty Baz no HAC is worth this amount like atm, after bc tier 2 released a vaga can still own any tier 2 bc except a well skilled drake yeah the vaga prices are still well worth the isk. and the ishtar will still pwn most of the tier2's as well. DE
PeoplePerson	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:04:00 - [44] Some HACs are now useless yes but those with a niche role will never stop being popular. Ishtar, Cerberus and Vagabond are the 3 non-useless HACs because they all do things no BC or other cruiser can do. Zealot is gimp because Absolution makes it so utterly obsolete while the T1 Harbringer does the same job for less ISK Sacriledge is a PvE complex tanker that sort of doubles as a rather expensive tackler in PVP. Deimos is a terrible ship because it can't fit a plate, its even worse now than it was pre-Rev. Eagle and Muninn are still decent for frig popping but small/medium turret sniping was never that popular. So out of 8 HACs, 3 remain very good and 3 remain decent.. if you can call the Sacriledge decent.
LordKain The Scope	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:11:00 - [45] Edited by: LordKain on 17/12/2006 12:11:19 I dont agree with you...if you believe that HAC has any chanace to beat drake or myrmidon I suggest to beat them by your favorite vaga, ishtar or cerberus. Good luck !!!
ViperVenom Minmatar Fast Food Corp Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2006.12.17 13:27:00 - [46] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:46 Edited by: Lord WarATron on 15/12/2006 09:50:09 Originally by: LWMaverick The new bc's didnt make hac's obsolote... so nope, they are still selling at sky high prices. True - there will always be a need for a HAC. However, the new BC's have reduced the demand a bit, since people have new options to fly. Not everyone has 200-300mil to buy and fully fit a hac, but they can fly and fit a BC in under a hundred mil without any problems, probebly half that if they use t1 gear. A BC + T1 gear is only really a 10mil loss if it dies due to insurance. A HAC on the other hand.... :) A lot of people are now understanding that BClvl4 is easier than HAC lvl4, so this increases demand of the new BC's. Some(alot) of people don't care if hac's are "price effecient", they just want some speedy kick ass ship.. Tbh, i dont care either, if my ships or fittings are effecient, i just go for the best, and maybe thats why i(we) stay above the rest /Mav That is a great point. Are the new BC nice? Yes Can a new BC PWN a HAC?..No What is the point of HACs?..let see... HAC are good 4 3/10 farming Wolf packs and PVP So no HACs will never die And Yes they cost way way way too much HAC's cost way more than a Commandship. But a Command ship will PWN a HAC and his buddy.
Roxy Kell	Posted - 2006.12.17 13:36:00 - [47] none of the new BC can replace the eagle or Cerberus Range of fire, neither the Vagabond's high speed, and the munin's erm, nm. harbinger is a big cheap zealot in the other hand. sacrilege blaa blaa blaa poing. ishtar is sexier, nuff said. deimos will be preferable to those who dint do drones. also don't forget HACS can use T2 rigs, tier 2 bc can't
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.17 13:38:00 - [48] Originally by: PeoplePerson Some HACs are now useless yes but those with a niche role will never stop being popular. Ishtar, Cerberus and Vagabond are the 3 non-useless HACs because they all do things no BC or other cruiser can do. Zealot is gimp because Absolution makes it so utterly obsolete while the T1 Harbringer does the same job for less ISK Sacriledge is a PvE complex tanker that sort of doubles as a rather expensive tackler in PVP. Deimos is a terrible ship because it can't fit a plate, its even worse now than it was pre-Rev. Eagle and Muninn are still decent for frig popping but small/medium turret sniping was never that popular. So out of 8 HACs, 3 remain very good and 3 remain decent.. if you can call the Sacriledge decent. The Absolution and the Harbinger have no optimal bonus, so they cannot make the Zealot obsolete. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2006.12.17 14:12:00 - [49] Originally by: LordKain Edited by: LordKain on 17/12/2006 12:11:19 I dont agree with you...if you believe that HAC has any chanace to beat drake or myrmidon I suggest to beat them by your favorite vaga, ishtar or cerberus. Good luck !!! any vaga pilot that loses to a myrmidon is a noob vaga pilot. it has around a 12km nos range and the vaga goes faster. most of them carry heavy drones and even if they have mediums they still probably get outrun by the vaga and blasters aint hitting it for **** so u work out the outcome of that fight? DE
Jahria Jaeger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:47:00 - [50] it's very exotic opinion
PeoplePerson	Posted - 2006.12.17 15:57:00 - [51] Originally by: Goumindong The Absolution and the Harbinger have no optimal bonus, so they cannot make the Zealot obsolete. These are pulse lasers were talking about, giving 50% damage a dual rep tank and 25m¦ dronebay up for slightly higher optimal range (which you already have plenty of) is stupid.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:02:00 - [52] Originally by: PeoplePerson Originally by: Goumindong The Absolution and the Harbinger have no optimal bonus, so they cannot make the Zealot obsolete. These are pulse lasers were talking about, giving 50% damage a dual rep tank and 25m¦ dronebay up for slightly higher optimal range (which you already have plenty of) is stupid. Not if you want to force your target to downsize ammo by orbiting out of web range, which you can do with the range bonus. The Zealot has 7 lows and a 215 base speed, it isnt a vagabond, but it isnt a slug like the abso and the harbinger. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Dammar Ephorate	Posted - 2006.12.17 16:05:00 - [53] Originally by: Goumindong Originally by: PeoplePerson Originally by: Goumindong The Absolution and the Harbinger have no optimal bonus, so they cannot make the Zealot obsolete. These are pulse lasers were talking about, giving 50% damage a dual rep tank and 25m¦ dronebay up for slightly higher optimal range (which you already have plenty of) is stupid. Not if you want to force your target to downsize ammo by orbiting out of web range, which you can do with the range bonus. The Zealot has 7 lows and a 215 base speed, it isnt a vagabond, but it isnt a slug like the abso and the harbinger. yeh, truth be told, my Zealot is faster then my Retribution.
Jahria Jaeger Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:00:00 - [54] who was killed by HAC last time, when was in new bc? nobody probably who killed HAC by new bc tier 2 last time?
Aiko Li Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:34:00 - [55] I'd just like to show exhibit A why drake rocks <3
OldPueblo Gallente The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen	Posted - 2006.12.17 18:38:00 - [56] FULL INSURANCE PAYOUT FTW! (caps used for emphasis)
Mighty Baz HUSARIA	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:31:00 - [57] who wants to buy HAC for more than 100m? ______________________________________________ Husaria recruits based on legendary XVI century Polish winged cavalry
Ryysa Total Failure	Posted - 2006.12.18 09:53:00 - [58] There's still no BC that can do what the vaga can do ;) That said, i wouldn't even try to engage any of the new tier2 battlecruisers with my vaga, if i knew that they are pvp fitted... either that, or i'd orbit them at 22km+ :P All about target jamming
Roxy Kell Caldari	Posted - 2006.12.18 10:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Ryysa There's still no BC that can do what the vaga can do ;) That said, i wouldn't even try to engage any of the new tier2 battlecruisers with my vaga, if i knew that they are pvp fitted... either that, or i'd orbit them at 22km+ :P not to mention that VS BS, VAGA will own, BC sig radius is a downside. Main: Roxanna Kell Alt: shing Shwang Shu Shy Shun yu
kisu tei	Posted - 2006.12.18 12:36:00 - [60] teir2 BC FTW, down to the hacs. another good thing about the teir 2 BC is that if you got BC lv 5 you can use all the BC at lv 5 whlist with HACS, you need cruiser V for all the races. being able to use all races BC in eve very well over using 1 type of race hac is also a added benifit

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