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Hoodie Mafia
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:28:56 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Hoodie Mafia wrote:Looking at your comments I think you wasted a lot of time on our undock Rive uh huh. The beauty of being a theorycrafter for 8 years is you get to know how people run their teams almost as well as they do. Why do you think you got smashed so hard this year by us after last year's performance? Hint: I was busy last year :3. No h8 though, you guys did nothing wrong, you deserved to place higher, and your piloting was good. If the rules dont change, we might have to talk if nulli aren't around for next year. Who knows? If we get to talking, I might show you how much intel we actually had on you, maybe even why.
You are tunnelvisioning Rive, I don't fly for Nulli |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
89
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:31:54 -
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Hoodie Mafia wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Hoodie Mafia wrote:Looking at your comments I think you wasted a lot of time on our undock Rive uh huh. The beauty of being a theorycrafter for 8 years is you get to know how people run their teams almost as well as they do. Why do you think you got smashed so hard this year by us after last year's performance? Hint: I was busy last year :3. No h8 though, you guys did nothing wrong, you deserved to place higher, and your piloting was good. If the rules dont change, we might have to talk if nulli aren't around for next year. Who knows? If we get to talking, I might show you how much intel we actually had on you, maybe even why. You are tunnelvisioning Rive, I don't fly for Nulli
no but you fly with them. The difference between the two of you, is I think HK has better theorycrafters. You two were a dangerous combination together. We were almost as scared of you as we were of hydra, if you had played the game a little differently it would have been you two on the top and us in third. Unfortunately for you, you didnt play dirty enough. |
Hoodie Mafia
Hard Knocks Inc. Hard Knocks Citizens
47
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:34:16 -
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Guess well just have to play better next year eh? |
Faife
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
295
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:39:58 -
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overpunishment or riot |
Skyler Hawk
Boars on Parade The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:43:38 -
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This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament. |
Tzuko1
FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION
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Posted - 2015.09.15 14:52:33 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Hoodie Mafia wrote:Looking at your comments I think you wasted a lot of time on our undock Rive uh huh. The beauty of being a theorycrafter for 8 years is you get to know how people run their teams almost as well as they do. Why do you think you got smashed so hard this year by us after last year's performance? Hint: I was busy last year :3. No h8 though, you guys did nothing wrong, you deserved to place higher, and your piloting was good. If the rules dont change, we might have to talk if nulli aren't around for next year. Who knows? If we get to talking, I might show you how much intel we actually had on you, maybe even why.
We used typhoons since practice day 2. Its our weakness we havemt practiced ECM well enough so you got us there.... dont vision in we copy paste only jesus.... if you had intel enough, you could have known we had TFIs very early. We couldnt get anything special out this year unfortunatelly. AND most importantly null team wasnt HUN for most part now, we had a lot nulli dudes in but mostly from one corp.
And i am sorry rive but you are part of the AT problem with your spying all the time. If you had enough intel as you say so than your win wasnt Clear just like the mentioned two teams....
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:08:01 -
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Skyler Hawk wrote:This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament.
i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds. |
Joe Public
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
19
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:11:01 -
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I don't know why you are all wasting your time shitting up this terrible thread.
Haven't you got an Alliance Tournament to prepare for? |
Citricioni
Stille Gewalt Dead Terrorists
1933
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:12:47 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Skyler Hawk wrote:This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament. i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds.
PLs first loss in the AT, was against a "Typhoon + Typhoon Fleet" Setup, so you lost the first match against a "small rock"
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:13:33 -
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Tzuko1 wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Hoodie Mafia wrote:Looking at your comments I think you wasted a lot of time on our undock Rive uh huh. The beauty of being a theorycrafter for 8 years is you get to know how people run their teams almost as well as they do. Why do you think you got smashed so hard this year by us after last year's performance? Hint: I was busy last year :3. No h8 though, you guys did nothing wrong, you deserved to place higher, and your piloting was good. If the rules dont change, we might have to talk if nulli aren't around for next year. Who knows? If we get to talking, I might show you how much intel we actually had on you, maybe even why. We used typhoons since practice day 2. Its our weakness we havemt practiced ECM well enough so you got us there.... dont vision in we copy paste only jesus.... if you had intel enough, you could have known we had TFIs very early. We couldnt get anything special out this year unfortunatelly. AND most importantly null team wasnt HUN for most part now, we had a lot nulli dudes in but mostly from one corp. And i am sorry rive but you are part of the AT problem with your spying all the time. If you had enough intel as you say so than your win wasnt Clear just like the mentioned two teams....
If you read the other post I wrote, you would see exactly what I said about you having tfi teams from the start.
I had a lot more intel than you think, but as to how we got it, ive been told to keep you guessing. I wanted to smug about it. Oh well.
I goddamn HATE spying, I HATE raivi for bringing this kind of crap into the game. I hate doing it, i hate others doing it to us, I have always said that. The problem is you have to spy to place well, we may well have still beaten you without spying, whose to say, all i can say is that without the spying we would never have beaten you so convincingly. I stepped up this year and did it because everyone had their fingers in their butts. If you read my post history in this thread, and get what I mean, you wont be able to deny that I'm right on most counts.
To be frank, I dont particularly like huns, not because I think you're stupid, or because I think your bad, but because posting like you did above just shows to me you're not mature enough to understand how the tournament has and always has worked. I want it to change, I really do. I sincerely hope next year will be better with the bubbles.
That all being said, youre a reasonably solid opponent, and I respect what you have done over the years for the alliances you were in. |
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:14:33 -
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Joe Public wrote:I don't know why you are all wasting your time shitting up this terrible thread.
Haven't you got an Alliance Tournament to prepare for?
Yeah we have to start choosing who we are going to share all our setups and prizes with and what setups to bring every match~ |
Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:15:24 -
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Citricioni wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Skyler Hawk wrote:This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament. i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds. PLs first loss in the AT, was against a "Typhoon + Typhoon Fleet" Setup, so you lost the first match against a "small rock"
Yep. Small rocks can break windows when aimed well and are unexpected. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
721
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:16:25 -
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Mr Rive wrote:but because posting like you did above just shows to me you're not mature enough to understand how the tournament has and always has worked
lmbo i almost can't believe you typed this |
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
94
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:25:43 -
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How hard is it to just keep the teams separate on tourney days and actually fight it out?
Teams testing together seems fine to me. But sharing all setups, tourney ships, and even coordinating what to do on match days seems like a bit much.
Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.
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Dancul1001
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
56
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:26:15 -
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i woke up this morning to read everyones reactions now im too invested in these great mrrive posts to stop reading |
Rn Bonnet
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
21
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Posted - 2015.09.15 15:35:01 -
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Shamis Orzoz wrote:How hard is it to just keep the teams separate on tourney days and actually fight it out?
Teams testing together seems fine to me. But sharing all setups, tourney ships, and even coordinating what to do on match days seems like a bit much.
Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.
****, testing together should be encouraged. It brings the overall quality of the tournament way up.
But prize splitting will ruin the tournament. It's the prisoners dilemma, the best choice is always cooperation not competition. |
Aryth
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1864
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:06:33 -
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Mr Rive wrote:Citricioni wrote:Mr Rive wrote:Skyler Hawk wrote:This thread is getting way off-topic, but the idea that "lesser" teams such as Exodus, Nulli, Shadow, and HKX just sit around waiting for PL or Hydra to show a comp and then run off to imitate it is completely ridiculous. Several teams (us, Exodus, HKX) ran a variant of the double floon comp on the first day of the tournament - the only way we/they could've been copying Hydra is if we had a spy in the warlords/camel testing wormhole. Nobody was copying Hydra's setups, you just had a lot of teams independently settling on double floon comps as solid setups for the opening rounds of the tournament. i never said they were lesser teams, i never said they didnt theorycraft their own setups, they have to, what i said was the smaller teams dont have the manpower to spend thousands of hours testing dozens of iterations of dozens of setups to come up with the entire meta chain. I never said double floon comps weren't solid for the opening rounds, i said they were a small rock in the later rounds. PLs first loss in the AT, was against a "Typhoon + Typhoon Fleet" Setup, so you lost the first match against a "small rock" Yep. Small rocks can break windows when aimed well and are unexpected.
You are falling into the hubris trap. You believe that your depth of experience and intimate knowledge of this specific process means that no one else can understand how it all works. People don't need to understand the minutia to understand cheating. It doesn't matter how many different ways you can cheat or how deep and engrossing the meta of cheating is. Cheating is cheating. The AT is supposed to be the one pure place for this sorta PVP. A large part of why we have no interest in it. Not that we don't think it is a cool thing for EVE. But, we are just here for empire building. Not leet pvp.
Again, if it was their first time your arguments for mercy might be acceptable. Unfortunately, this is the fool CCP twice point. If the AT is to have even a semblance of fair competition they need to get hit with a very huge stick. Same reason we don't dunk CCP again with Forex. We can, we know the math and the algo. We don't because they already said don't and it is bannable.
Once you get punished for something once, then rewarned and you do it anyway you deserve to get a harsh punishment.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1052
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:10:21 -
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wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all. |
Joe Public
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
19
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:17:36 -
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Rn Bonnet wrote:But prize splitting will ruin the tournament. What people do with the proceeds of a tournament win is up to them.
It's entirely outside of the scope of any tournament rules.
I don't see it ruining the tournament either, since you still need to be able to win a prize for any such deal to matter and I don't know many tournament pilots who wouldn't prefer a gold medal to a silver one. |
Joe Public
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
19
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:22:39 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all. I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined.
Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already. |
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:26:05 -
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Shamis Orzoz wrote: Also Rive, stop going full ****** in here.
are you steppin bro? |
Swind
FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION
1
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:50:03 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all.
and Chessur (hydra) aka CCP Hannibal will commentating it in stream with his CCP friends.
left hand, right hand. |
Tzuko1
FREE GATES FREE GATES COALITION
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:50:11 -
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So mr rive hates the entire HUN community becouse what i posted :)
I know how things works, and if i had someone whos willing to do what u did this year, sure do it for the team. THIS still doesnt mean i have to like it. But if you tell me who was the traitor with evidence i help pl next year. Deal ? :D |
Hendrick Tallardar
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
450
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Posted - 2015.09.15 16:55:07 -
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MissBolyai wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:I feel like you're all being trolled really hard. Spoken like a man that had nothing to do with the tourney other than being convinced by Hendrick to be in a commercial featuring a 3-year old joke.
Woah, it was Manny's idea to use that joke. Don't blame me for it.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:05:13 -
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Joe Public wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all. I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined. Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already.
I believe he is saying the prize sharing encourages trying to force matches to end is such away that both teams end up fight each other in the end. IE throwing a match so one team can have "Time to Prep" Or "Fight somebody they are confident they can win against."
Which undoubtedly it would, If I could personally give my self a little more chance to win with no repercussions I would probably take it
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
90
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:14:17 -
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Tzuko1 wrote:So mr rive hates the entire HUN community becouse what i posted :)
dude what are you smoking? |
Baali Tekitsu
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
898
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:14:27 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Joe Public wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:wonder how many times hydra bunch of scumbags has to ruin the AT before they receive a life ban. Assumed there will be another AT at all. I thought this year's AT was one of the best yet. So I don't know how you figure that it was ruined. Sure, we screwed up IX, but we've been punished for that already. I believe he is saying the prize sharing encourages trying to force matches to end is such away that both teams end up fight each other in the end. IE throwing a match so one team can have "Time to Prep" Or "Fight somebody they are confident they can win against." Which undoubtedly it would, If I could personally give my self a little more chance to win with no repercussions I would probably take it
Of course the tournament encourages both teams to try get top placement... thats the point of tournaments.
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Ryu Chaos
Tr0pa de elite. Pandemic Legion
12
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:19:16 -
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so what we take out of this thread
1) rive is derailing it 2) every single goonswarm member and his mother, wants the AT finished 3) hydra camel fanbois saying its ok they did it in the final after they beat everyone (but they do not take into consideration that hydra threw their second match vs camel so they would have more time to prepare for the BO1 with tuskers and that it was predecided whoever lost the 1st match legitimately would throw the second as well) 4) noone considers the fact that they are technically 2 teams from the same entity that cooperate and that for anyone to win the tourney they need to go through 2x flagships + 20 AT ships flown by very competent people that have decided to split the winnings anyway.
aha, lets keep this going, be it a troll or the truth its funny
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Joe Public
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
19
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:27:03 -
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Ryu Chaos wrote:1) rive is derailing it That's just the way he rolls.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1967
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Posted - 2015.09.15 17:30:32 -
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Ryu Chaos wrote:so what we take out of this thread
2) every single goonswarm member and his mother, wants the AT finished
Nah -- the AT has value. It (usually) is a way to get clued in on upcoming game changes. They may not have done it this year, but I've made a bundle off of it in years previous.
Also, I'm mostly hoping that CCP does nothing about the allegations. This opens up some great opportunities later.
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