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Amarr Virgin
Ministry of Internal Affairs
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Posted - 2015.09.21 07:25:41 -
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Make Eve Online a free to play game:
if you are "unsubscribed"
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
- training of skills is paused
- in case of higher numbers of players trying to log in to servers, "unsubscribed" accounts get kicked
- make unsubscribed players unable to enter systems with more then 200 people in them (trade hubs, fleet fights...)
if you are subscribed - business as per usual
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Kasia en Tilavine
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2015.09.21 08:07:59 -
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Treating Unsubbed players like second class citizens is not the way to go. If free to play is the only way Eve survives the next ten years then so be it. But unsubbed players should not be **** on and left out in the rain. That's not how you treat your content generators.
Everyone gets "15" attributes worth of train time one one char at all times. A sub gets you double that. Additional train queues are available for purchase and will get the train speed of your account level. 15 for free or 30 for licensed players.
A micro transaction model for train speed on x number of characters as well as clothes and skins might work for Eve. But I doubt it would be viable until a lot of archaic systems are remade to improve the NPE. |
Trobax
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.09.21 08:16:45 -
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Kasia en Tilavine wrote:Treating Unsubbed players like second class citizens is not the way to go. If free to play is the only way Eve survives the next ten years then so be it. But unsubbed players should not be **** on and left out in the rain. That's not how you treat your content generators.
Everyone gets "15" attributes worth of train time one one char at all times. A sub gets you double that. Additional train queues are available for purchase and will get the train speed of your account level. 15 for free or 30 for licensed players.
A micro transaction model for train speed on x number of characters as well as clothes and skins might work for Eve. But I doubt it would be viable until a lot of archaic systems are remade to improve the NPE.
Thats is indeed interesting, but you need to provide an incentive for players to sub. Say "0" attributes to unsubbed players, but they can still log. and all bounties get halved. Stay unsubbed and you can no longer plug implants.
+1 to the whole idea
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HandelsPharmi
Pharmi on CharBazaar
1725
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Posted - 2015.09.21 08:53:40 -
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Great idea, using a proxy server and logging in 20 Covert Cyno AFK alts in your system.
Or logging in 20 bumpers to join you while mining in the ice belt...
And so on.... |
slumbers
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:05:49 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:Great idea, using a proxy server and logging in 20 Covert Cyno AFK alts in your system.
Or logging in 20 bumpers to join you while mining in the ice belt...
And so on....
Thats easy, limit unsubbed max accounts to 3
Takes care of it.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden
Workers Trade Federation
466
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:07:45 -
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Amarr Virgin wrote:
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
As a 4 year old player with only this account, I take great offense...
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Amarr Virgin
Ministry of Internal Affairs
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:38:03 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Amarr Virgin wrote:
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
As a 4 year old player with only this account, I take great offense...
as a 4 year old you should have somewhere in the 90+ mil skill points if you skilled all the time
so imagine if you didnt have to pay the game anymore and still are able to play it
even more so, you could use the RL money to buy plexes and sell them on the market - which would be closer to the chinese version where the plex is 3-4 bil |
Mag's
the united
20213
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:41:35 -
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No.
Destination SkillQueue:-
It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Amarr Virgin
Ministry of Internal Affairs
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Posted - 2015.09.21 09:49:05 -
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then enjoy your empty systems
how do you guys see the "end of eve" ?
there has to be a "plan B" for the game
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
1922
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Posted - 2015.09.21 10:00:05 -
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A Plan B? Well, maybe you want to play the game then? Or some kind of change in attitude of the players towards the players and the game? Maybe some more player effort towards the game in organizing things?
Your suggestions, on the other hand, do absolutely nothing to help the game grow and instead give a lot of reasons why F2P P2W is a terrible system.
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Facial Grapist
NewCorporation002
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:04:18 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:A Plan B? Well, maybe you want to play the game then? Or some kind of change in attitude of the players towards the players and the game? Maybe some more player effort towards the game in organizing things?
Your suggestions, on the other hand, do absolutely nothing to help the game grow and instead give a lot of reasons why F2P P2W is a terrible system.
it's more a PAY TO SAVE TIME then a pay to win
we should pay to support the game (CCP)
we should PLAY to support the community (help the game to grow) |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
1922
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:36:19 -
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With this suggestion, you do not support the community. With this suggestion, you do not support the game. You do neither.
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Facial Grapist
NewCorporation002
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:55:04 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:With this suggestion, you do not support the community. With this suggestion, you do not support the game. You do neither.
content generation is not helping the community? lol mate
the servers would spike so hard from all the vets coming back to play
how about a kickstarter to buy out Eve Online from CCP Games?
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
771
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Posted - 2015.09.21 11:57:59 -
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Amarr Virgin wrote:Make Eve Online a free to play game:
if you are "unsubscribed"
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
So at eve vegas, eve fest, etc the only person to play eve is the first to login after DT? Server will deny a whole hotel full of eve nerds after that?
house where 2 residents (2 different actual people) play locked out too.
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Anthar Thebess
1307
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:06:33 -
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Uh no.
Capital Remote AID Rebalance
Way to solve important nullsec issue. CSM members do your work.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
490
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:18:25 -
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Nope
Any kind of pre-trained alt that doesn't need further training (thinking Capital/Super alts) coupled with the use of web proxies means you're just rewarding those that have been playing the longest with free characters to use. Fully formed farming alts will send isk inflation through the roof.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
1922
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:21:39 -
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Facial Grapist wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:With this suggestion, you do not support the community. With this suggestion, you do not support the game. You do neither. content generation is not helping the community? lol mate the servers would spike so hard from all the vets coming back to play
What content are you talking about (especially in combination with your hard spiking server? The missions that you get kicked out when too many people are in a system? Your intense fight on a gate or in a belt when people come into the system or log in? The market activity that you cannot participate in or get kicked out when privileged people log in? That is the content that makes people join the game in troves?
Your logic is impeccable. And how subscriptions prevent content creation is not clear either.
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:37:21 -
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Amarr Virgin wrote:Celthric Kanerian wrote:Amarr Virgin wrote:
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
As a 4 year old player with only this account, I take great offense... as a 4 year old you should have somewhere in the 90+ mil skill points if you skilled all the time so imagine if you didnt have to pay the game anymore and still are able to play it even more so, you could use the RL money to buy plexes and sell them on the market - which would be closer to the chinese version where the plex is 3-4 bil
As a 4 year old character with 91m sp, I would quit if eve went F2P.
I have played F2P games in the past, they suck.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Kenrailae
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
500
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:39:25 -
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yeah.... No... F2P accounts would be bad for so many reasons.
As much as I'd like to save money on a few of my accounts, F2P would be really really bad.
The Law is a point of View
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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
Decayed Orbit
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Posted - 2015.09.21 12:55:05 -
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Thank you no F2P isn't, in reality it is free to be bombarded by advertising and leads inevitably to Pay2Win store items and then a downward quality spiral and extinction.
Not supported.
NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.09.21 13:21:31 -
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Amarr Virgin wrote:then enjoy your empty systems how do you guys see the "end of eve" ? there has to be a "plan B" for the game
Ah the proverbial "the end of EvE is nigh" and it will die if CCP does not change it to what I want.
So original, like we have not seen this god only knows how many times.
Those other free to play games survive by getting some of their players to "pay" a subscription fee and in return those players get boosts, bonuses and in some access to items the the free to play people cannot get. In EvE we call that "pay to win" and we want no part of it. If you are tired of paying your subscriptions then plex them, if you do not want to work that hard in the game then quit. |
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad
Circle-Of-Two
121
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Posted - 2015.09.21 14:22:18 -
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Amarr Virgin wrote:Make Eve Online a free to play game:
if you are "unsubscribed"
- you can use only one account per IP adress / MAC adress
- training of skills is paused
- in case of higher numbers of players trying to log in to servers, "unsubscribed" accounts get kicked
- make unsubscribed players unable to enter systems with more then 200 people in them (trade hubs, fleet fights...)
if you are subscribed - business as per usual
Bad idea, very bad idea.
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Cidanel Afuran
Chickenhawk.
226
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Posted - 2015.09.21 15:40:14 -
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Zan Shiro wrote:So at eve vegas, eve fest, etc the only person to play eve is the first to login after DT? Server will deny a whole hotel full of eve nerds after that?
house where 2 residents (2 different actual people) play locked out too.
One student gets to play per college campus. This will work out well. |
Asuka Solo
Instant Annihilation
This Isn't Going To End Well
2998
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:08:07 -
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Facial Grapist wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:With this suggestion, you do not support the community. With this suggestion, you do not support the game. You do neither. content generation is not helping the community? lol mate the servers would spike so hard from all the vets coming back to play how about a kickstarter to buy out Eve Online from CCP Games?
1) Please explain to the rest of us how you jumped from "your suggestion is not helping the community" to "content generation is bad?".... Cuz from where I'm sitting, you'll have to prove that unsubbed accounts generate eve content first.... Maybe you have some magical source that would dispel our disbelief while balancing the books at the same time?
2) Vets are leaving Eve because of the direction of the game / nerfs to their play styles / changes in ship roles / sov systems. Giving them nerfed albeit free access to a game they no longer enjoy is not going to cause a spike in online connections. Again, source to substantiate your claim?
3) Star Citizen much?
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
2015
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:19:26 -
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Talsha Talamar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:35:48 -
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A free 2 play eve beyond the PLEX mechanism would be the death of the game as a whole.
Allowing players to use unsubscribed characters in the game would wreak havoc not only on the markets but in all areas of the game.
Well meant but horrible idea. |
Suetia Swan
The Scope
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:38:20 -
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No ! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
8699
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Posted - 2015.09.21 16:39:02 -
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Also throwing in with a big, fat "hellll nawwwww!"
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
9718
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Posted - 2015.09.21 17:20:50 -
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Seriously EVE free to play would be broken any way you will make it.
Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
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Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2015.09.21 18:15:58 -
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there are a few issues that would have to be worked out.
1 control of alts, limiting via IP could be an answer but might affect users at colleges or other locations.
2 improving the use of plex, if players can play for free they can reach their skill goals and just stop paying, this means less $ for CCP unless CCP can convince players to use plex for more things. This incentivizes the use of Plex to make up for lost income from long time subscribers who are no longer skilling their characters.
3 population control, CCP would need to hire a lot more support staff to handle the larger volume of players. This is important to keep players happy. Further hardware would have to be able to handle a potentially massive influx of players
This would take a pretty large amount of planning as well as time to actually implement, not only that but CCP would have to discuss this at LEAST with the CSM if not the entire playerbase of eve before implementing to avoid another summer of rage.
It's a touchy subject and given the work needed for the change I doubt it's something on CCPs mind, at least until their current short term plan is finalized and players have their own player built stargates. |
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