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Nicolai Serkanner Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. I N F A M O U S 489	Posted - 2015.09.25 21:45:18 - [181] - Quote Johnny Riko wrote: Please ignore the two of them. Their ship toasting has lowered the level of dicussion in this thread. The two of them have successfully given me cancer. Considering what I had to endure surviving the form of cancer I had to deal with I do hope you experience exactly the same I have.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1036	Posted - 2015.09.25 21:47:07 - [182] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tippia: Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters? I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say: Yes. "Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question. Correct syntax is either for or against. Yes/no is not an answer. It's the answer to the question regardless. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Salvos Rhoska 1513	Posted - 2015.09.25 21:51:56 - [183] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tippia: Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters? I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say: Yes. "Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question. Correct syntax is either for or against. Yes/no is not an answer. It's the answer to the question regardless. Q: "Are you for or against abortion?" A: "Yes. Derp" Q: "Do you prefer red or green apples?" A: "Yes. Herp". Q: "How old are you?" A: "Yes. Ferp." Q: "Next!" PvE v PvP
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1036	Posted - 2015.09.25 21:54:25 - [184] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tippia: Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters? I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say: Yes. "Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question. Correct syntax is either for or against. Yes/no is not an answer. It's the answer to the question regardless. Q: "Are you for or against abortion?" A: "Yes. Derp" Q: "Next!" Actually, that is also the answer to that question. You're catching on, but no need to derp yourself over it. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Salvos Rhoska 1513	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:00:46 - [185] - Quote Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?" A: "Yes. Gerp" PvE v PvP
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1036	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:05:14 - [186] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?" A: "Yes. Gerp" You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions. The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'. You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Salvos Rhoska 1513	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:18:07 - [187] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Q: "Are you a human being or a potato?" A: "Yes. Gerp" You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions. The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'. You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was. Im at a loss for words to describe how utterly wrong you are, and how contrary your position is to what language is, and what its purpose is. Ask me a question, any question, and I will demonstrate. PvE v PvP
Divine Entervention Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing 633	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:28:26 - [188] - Quote Val'Dore is correct
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 12038	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:38:24 - [189] - Quote its at this point in the thread that it becomes apparent that salvos is in reality a muppet and not worth engaging further on this topic Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Salvos Rhoska 1514	Posted - 2015.09.25 22:38:44 - [190] - Quote Val'Dore wrote: You can't force a question on an answer, just because the answer is the correct one for other questions. Try that in an examination sometime. Val'Dore wrote: The world isn't black or white, and if you asked if it were, I'd say 'Yes'. So you say the world (though infact we where only tqlking about language), isnt black or white. But if I ask you if its black or white, you'd answer "yes"? Is that not blatantly contradictory, even disregarding the syntax makes no sense in the first place? Val'Dore wrote: You don't have to like an answer, if you truly wanted it, it wouldn't matter what it was. What? Ofc I dont have to like the answer. So what? Thats my business. And I truly want an answer, I wont care what it is? Wth is that even supposed to mean? PvE v PvP

Mag's the united 20265	Posted - 2015.09.25 23:12:01 - [191] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: Val'Dore is correct Indeed. The answer was obviously yes. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 23098	Posted - 2015.09.26 00:16:24 - [192] - Quote Were on page 10! Time for MOAR FERRET!!!! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Paranoid Loyd 7048	Posted - 2015.09.26 00:21:30 - [193] - Quote \o/ "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Avvy Republic University Minmatar Republic 188	Posted - 2015.09.26 02:06:57 - [194] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: There is no harm in applying the 350k to all past, present and future characters. Yeah, there would be no harm at all. I suspect CCP doesn't want to do it because the last time free sp was given for downtime things didn't appear to go smoothly for some people, which would have generated support tickets. So I'd say they're trying to avoid that this time. Of course it would be fairer if everyone got it, not surprising some vets say otherwise it, wouldn't even really effect them at all.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3394	Posted - 2015.09.26 02:47:26 - [195] - Quote Tippia wrote: GÇªand the rest of us are saying that, on the scale of things, the 6 days worth of training is nothing. Yeah, when you have 10s of millions of SP it looks like nothing. When you are just starting out it is a considerable difference. It is called decreasing returns to scale. This change means nothing to me. My main has over 120 million SP. 350,000 extra SP means almost nothing because the marginal improvement in my characters ability to fly various ships is very, very small. This change though will let a new player get into a broader range of ships immediately (or when he has the ISK). Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3394	Posted - 2015.09.26 02:50:28 - [196] - Quote Avvy wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: There is no harm in applying the 350k to all past, present and future characters. Yeah, there would be no harm at all. I suspect CCP doesn't want to do it because the last time free sp was given for downtime things didn't appear to go smoothly for some people, which would have generated support tickets. So I'd say they're trying to avoid that this time. Of course it would be fairer if everyone got it, not surprising some vets say otherwise it, wouldn't even really effect them at all. Agreed. If they gave it too me, I might forget to distribute it for days even weeks. The butthurt coming from players older than me is amazing. Talk about needing to HTFU. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3397	Posted - 2015.09.26 03:05:25 - [197] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Val'Dore wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tippia: Are you for, or against, adding 350k SP to new characters? I'll save Tippia the sixteen paragraphs and just say: Yes. "Yes" is not an answer which fits the syntax of the question. Correct syntax is either for or against. Yes/no is not an answer. Maekchu wrote: I also don't envy the homeless, when someone throws them a quarter. Why should new characters, created after a certain date, have more starting SP than characters created before that date? Dude she is pointing out that Tippia can be impossible to argue with. You can present a nearly universally accepted concept and Tippia will say, "No, I do not agree that water is wet, because :reasons:." In short, Val'Dore is poking fun at Tippia...you just missed the joke. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2015.09.26 04:13:48 - [198] - Quote Tippia wrote: As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free GÇö if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. GÇªI'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train. A Year?? You should've trained all Supers or Titans.........just in case CCP actually makes them useful.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 113	Posted - 2015.09.26 04:22:58 - [199] - Quote Divine Entervention wrote: I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new. He is still new. If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b. That's just how the game is. Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE I'll say that to be fair, CCP should give this 400k SP bonus to all players under a year old. Because like you said, they're still considered to be new.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 3397	Posted - 2015.09.26 04:54:32 - [200] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Tippia wrote: As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free GÇö if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. GÇªI'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train. A Year?? You should've trained all Supers or Titans.........just in case CCP actually makes them useful. Forget it, it's a Tippia post they often lack coherency or logic. For example Tippia is going on about how handing out 350,000 to new players who are 6 months or a year old is a devastating precedent, but somehow Tippia got 7 million SP for "free" and that's okay nor setting a precedent. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what?

Johnny Riko KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 54	Posted - 2015.09.26 06:50:57 - [201] - Quote Teckos Pech wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Tippia wrote: As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free GÇö if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo. GÇªI'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train. A Year?? You should've trained all Supers or Titans.........just in case CCP actually makes them useful. Forget it, it's a Tippia post they often lack coherency or logic. For example Tippia is going on about how handing out 350,000 to new players who are 6 months or a year old is a devastating precedent, but somehow Tippia got 7 million SP for "free" and that's okay nor setting a precedent. I'm yet to see a post by tippia with logic. Arguing with him is like bashing your head against a wall repeatedly. The fact that his argument revolves around him being a older player and 350k being nothing to him shows how detached he actually is from reality. I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Skeln Thargensen katana spelunking trips 617	Posted - 2015.09.26 11:41:52 - [202] - Quote lol still going. look on the bright side though, if/when you need cyno/cloaky alts you'll save at least 20 hrs on each by starting with CPU management on IV. forums. -áserious business.
Corvois Sentinel Development Studio 14	Posted - 2015.09.26 12:17:37 - [203] - Quote The ferret is from the sub family Mustelinae, one of the more diverse groups within order Carnivora. Weasles are closer to otters than other members of the same subfamily (Klaus-Peter Koepfli et al, 2008. http://synapsida.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/weasels-in-stone-mustelid-evolution.html). Oh and why is no one demanding that CCP remove skill points from all characters in the game whenever they dropped the number of skill points for starting players? After all it is only fair and there is a principle at stake right? On a more serious note, Glathull had a brilliant point from before actually, that seems to have been ignored. Glathull wrote: I think the argument about X number of skill points is completely beside the point. The intent wasn't to hand out some specific and arbitrary number of points to new players. The intent was to give new players a wider array of options starting out. Instead of thinking of it as 350,000 skill points to do what they want with, think of it as level 3 of gunnery or something. Let's pretend that you already have gunnery to 3. What do you want CCP to do? Give you gunnery lvl 3 again? It's no use to you. You've already got it. If you've been training for more than a week, you've made your decisions and the skill ranks being handed out to new players is equivalent of what you spent your first week on. So perhaps everyone would be happier if CCP simply ensured everyone had their support skills trained to at least lvl 3? This would truly benefit new players without being a stealth buff to older players. After all, this is about principle right?
Caleb Seremshur Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance 661	Posted - 2015.09.26 12:27:28 - [204] - Quote I'd like 350k SP. Cutting out a newbies first week of obligatory skill training does not change the fact I spent that week myself getting those SP the hard way, with the limitations on hand and I still stuck with it. Giving 350k SP is a pretty token gesture to your existing playerbase who already support you. If they don't, then so be it, but I will still point out that I did things the hard way too. Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
Corvois Sentinel Development Studio 14	Posted - 2015.09.26 12:32:13 - [205] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: I'd like 350k SP. Cutting out a newbies first week of obligatory skill training does not change the fact I spent that week myself getting those SP the hard way, with the limitations on hand and I still stuck with it. Giving 350k SP is a pretty token gesture to your existing playerbase who already support you. If they don't, then so be it, but I will still point out that I did things the hard way too. And I want those skill points back that I missed out on before there was a proper skill queue. Among other things. There has to be a line, otherwise this becomes insane.
Val'Dore PlanetCorp InterStellar 1045	Posted - 2015.09.26 12:33:40 - [206] - Quote I want the skill points from my old mains. Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy. I invented Tiericide
Divine Entervention Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing 638	Posted - 2015.09.26 14:09:39 - [207] - Quote Stop being so damn greedy. We won't be making it much easier for new players by giving them that extra 350k worth of SP if everyone gets a free unallocated 350k as well, that doesn't narrow the gap at all. Only scoots it over to the right. Think of the children!!!! I'd support all accounts receiving these skills to the level new players will be getting if they don't already have them, but come on life-noobs, do the impossible and think about someone other than yourself for once.
Aiwha Infinite Point DARKNESS. 863	Posted - 2015.09.26 15:29:30 - [208] - Quote Skeln Thargensen wrote: nobody tell him about the 2013 battlecruiser racial skill change. I had BCV and Dessie V before both changes. Oh man, best level V's I ever trained. Sanity is fun leaving the body.
Zihao Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 157	Posted - 2015.09.26 15:30:14 - [209] - Quote Corvois wrote: There has to be a line, otherwise this becomes insane. My understanding is that several million sp has been disbursed to the community already due to previous skill changes. So this would fall behind that line, wherever you want to draw it.
Eternal Bob Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.09.26 19:29:13 - [210] - Quote Caleb Seremshur wrote: I'd like 350k SP. Cutting out a newbies first week of obligatory skill training does not change the fact I spent that week myself getting those SP the hard way, with the limitations on hand and I still stuck with it. Giving 350k SP is a pretty token gesture to your existing playerbase who already support you. If they don't, then so be it, but I will still point out that I did things the hard way too. Since when has training any skill in EVE been hard?



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