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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:20:30 -
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I'm a fairly new player to EVE, playing roughly 5 months now. With the new skill point changes, new players will be given for free skills that took roughly 1-2 weeks to train. Only players made in the 2 weeks before Vanguards release will be given free skill point compensation. Why is this? 1-2 weeks is roughly 5-10% of my total playing time. That is 1-2 weeks of subscription that I paid for to train those skills, which are now given to new players for free. That's 1-2 weeks of subscription/training time that I could have spent on something else. A lot for a new player. What possible reason is there to not give everyone with an existing account the SP compensation? I know how pathetic it sounds, but for someone with 7m SP, 350k is still a relatively large amount.
I understand this change is to help the new players, but perhaps CCP should remember to treat it's existing players well too.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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T' Elk
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
740
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:45:57 -
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Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~
I come back after 2 years to THIS?
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Skeln Thargensen
katana spelunking trips
593
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:51:50 -
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nobody tell him about the 2013 battlecruiser racial skill change.
forums. -áserious business.
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T' Elk
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
740
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:56:06 -
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Skeln Thargensen wrote:nobody tell him about the 2013 battlecruiser racial skill change. Shhh
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~
I come back after 2 years to THIS?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11990
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Posted - 2015.09.24 16:59:59 -
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Command ships... Stfu with your two weeks.
Better the Devil you know.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
790
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:16:53 -
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Don't really care that new players will get 400k SP versus 50k SP, but I am curious as to the why? |
Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2015.09.24 17:49:43 -
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T' Elk wrote:Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks.
How do you "make up" skill points? If I had started with 400k instead of 50k, then I would now be 2 weeks further into my current skill plan. How is that difficult to understand?
As for the battle cruiser comments...just because CCP has made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean that they should continue to do so.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Skeln Thargensen
katana spelunking trips
596
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:01:51 -
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i was just saying that comparitively speaking you don't know how boned you got over that. 400K is nowt m8.
forums. -áserious business.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
11992
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:06:45 -
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Dude, most of us have forgotten to update our skillque for longer than this, I'm missing about a month worth of sp I "paid for" By forgetting to sort myself out after a jump clone, do you see me whinging about it?
Better the Devil you know.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26341
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:07:28 -
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As an '07 player, I've been given somewhere in the region of 7M SP for free GÇö if a new player gets 350k more from the start (that are put into sensible skills), then booo hoooo.
GǪI'll suppose I'll take those free SP as compensation for not having skilled Tippia for a year because I ran out of interesting skills to train.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Gen Mo'Kai
Phayder Corporation
1
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:10:44 -
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Why do you think you are entitled to anything? You started playing 5 months ago and got 40k SP to play with. Apparently that was enough to keep you playing the game. Now they are changing some rules and giving NEW players some skills you already have. This has NO EFFECT on you, except you might see more people around that actually decided to subscribe to the game, which is a good thing!
Don't go asking around for free stuff when you don't deserve/need it. |
Divine Entervention
Legion's Knights Of The Round Intrepid Crossing
624
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:13:43 -
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I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new.
He is still new.
If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b.
That's just how the game is.
Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
26342
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:23:51 -
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GǪand the rest of us are saying that, on the scale of things, the 6 days worth of training is nothing.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2.
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Commander Spurty
Dimension Door We need wards.
1570
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:27:18 -
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OP: You sure you're even allowed to post on eve-o forums?
There are good ships
And wood ships
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are
Spaceships
Built by CCP
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
5389
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:29:36 -
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Divine Entervention wrote:I think he's arguing that at only 5 months in, he's still considered new.
He is still new.
If you've been playing eve for under 3 years, you're a n00b.
That's just how the game is.
Don't worry OP, in 2 years we'll be able to finally start playing EvE Nearly year 7 and I'm still a newb.
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T' Elk
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
741
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:32:08 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:T' Elk wrote:Because you had more than enough time to make up that miniscule amount of SP in more than 2 weeks. How do you "make up" skill points? If I had started with 400k instead of 50k, then I would now be 2 weeks further into my current skill plan. How is that difficult to understand? As for the battle cruiser comments...just because CCP has made bad decisions in the past doesn't mean that they should continue to do so. You're the one misunderstanding. Your 350k or so sp doesn't matter. You must be one of those instant gratification scrubs that whines about not being able to fly or afford things that much older players can. You don't deserve that SP, you did nothing for it, and CCP owes you nothing for changing it 5 months after it affected you in some insignificant way.
~Badposter since FOOOOREEEEEVAAAAAR~
I come back after 2 years to THIS?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23076
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:36:09 -
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CCP cant make everyone happy all the time.
When it comes to the entitlement of its playerbase, its not 'all the time', its 'ever'.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Paranoid Loyd
7019
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:38:56 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:CCP cant make everyone happy all the time.
When it comes to the entitlement of its playerbase, its not 'all the time', its 'ever'.
So what's the SP thread theme animal gonna be then?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25151
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:41:34 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:I'm a fairly new player to EVE, playing roughly 5 months now. With the new skill point changes, new players will be given for free skills that took roughly 1-2 weeks to train. Only players made in the 2 weeks before Vanguards release will be given free skill point compensation. Why is this? 1-2 weeks is roughly 5-10% of my total playing time. That is 1-2 weeks of subscription that I paid for to train those skills, which are now given to new players for free. That's 1-2 weeks of subscription/training time that I could have spent on something else. A lot for a new player. What possible reason is there to not give everyone with an existing account the SP compensation? I know how pathetic it sounds, but for someone with 7m SP, 350k is still a relatively large amount.
I understand this change is to help the new players, but perhaps CCP should remember to treat it's existing players well too. CCP should reinstate learning skills on your account then stall your skill queue until you train the prerequisites and the advanced skills to 4, that would make you realise just how truly frivolous your post is
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
102
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:43:41 -
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Amazed at the amount of entitled, butthurt people that this change has revealed...
Jealousy at its best.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23078
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:45:10 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:CCP cant make everyone happy all the time.
When it comes to the entitlement of its playerbase, its not 'all the time', its 'ever'.
So what's the SP thread theme animal gonna be then?
Hmm.. lets see... weve done Platypus and Narwhal, 'eve is dying' got Harry Potter Fan Fiction, there was something else in there somewhere.. Cats are out as they run Exploration sites on peoples accounts... Dogs.. no... not dogs.
How about either Trash Pandas (Racoons) or Cat Snakes (Ferrets)? Would either of those be acceptable?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:50:27 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dude, most of us have forgotten to update our skillque for longer than this, I'm missing about a month worth of sp I "paid for" By forgetting to sort myself out after a jump clone, do you see me whinging about it?
That's your problem/fault then. That has nothing to do with this discussion.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Paranoid Loyd
7019
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:51:44 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How about either Trash Pandas (Racoons) or Cat Snakes (Ferrets)? Would either of those be acceptable? Ooh ferrets sound intriguing.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!
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Johnny Riko
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:57:02 -
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Gen Mo'Kai wrote:Why do you think you are entitled to anything? You started playing 5 months ago and got 40k SP to play with. Apparently that was enough to keep you playing the game. Now they are changing some rules and giving NEW players some skills you already have. This has NO EFFECT on you, except you might see more people around that actually decided to subscribe to the game, which is a good thing!
Don't go asking around for free stuff when you don't deserve/need it.
GTFO I've never implied I should be given stuff for free. My point is that why should new players now receive stuff (SP) for free? If CCP has deemed that it's good for the game to have more starting points then why do they feel that it isn't needed for the older players? Because they've already received our money?
If I'm totally honest I would happily start the game with 0 SP and have everyone else in the same boat. It's the principal that matters more to me than the actual SP difference. The fact that troglodytes on this forum can't understand that shouldn't be a surprise to me to be honest.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Otso Bakarti
Filial Pariahs
305
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:57:34 -
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Goontears. My favorite!
Back from the 90-day suspension for speaking truth to power.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
102
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Posted - 2015.09.24 18:59:49 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Dude, most of us have forgotten to update our skillque for longer than this, I'm missing about a month worth of sp I "paid for" By forgetting to sort myself out after a jump clone, do you see me whinging about it? That's your problem/fault then. That has nothing to do with this discussion. It has everything to do with this discussion, cause the point is valid. 400k SP can be lost over the time of 5months, if you haven't optimized your attributes for perfect skill time, forgot to update the queue or not being in a clone with attribute implants.
Since you are already 5 months ahead of any newbie today, you already have a huge SP advantage over them. If you'd have optimized your skill training from the start, you probably would have already earned those 400k SP or be well on your way to earn that and more.
Feeling the entitlement for those 400k is a moot point, since you already have an advantage from creating your character earlier thus resulting in a higher amount of SP.
Should a newbie feel entitled for the amount of SP older players have, just cause they didn't create their character early enough? Just be happy that the newbies got a little treat. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
25151
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:00:18 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How about either Trash Pandas (Racoons) or Cat Snakes (Ferrets)? Would either of those be acceptable? Ooh ferrets sound intriguing. One ferret as ordered.
Civilized behaviour is knowing that violence is barbaric, but paying other people to do it is business.
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
102
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:02:02 -
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Double post -.- |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
23078
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:03:30 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:How about either Trash Pandas (Racoons) or Cat Snakes (Ferrets)? Would either of those be acceptable? Ooh ferrets sound intriguing. One ferret as ordered.
It is settled then. From this moment on, the response to all things SP shall be.. The mischievous Ferret!
So say we all!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
817
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Posted - 2015.09.24 19:10:00 -
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I have lost about 2.3 million SP across several characters due to a slight miscommunication with clonestations. My order was lost and the clone not there.
Since CCP has removed the SP loss I feel entitled to a retroactive reimbursement of those skillpoints. But I'm not even really asking this for myself btw. This is for those who lost alot more skillpoints before CCP wisened up.
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