Oh and by the way. Can one build a Citadel on a POS, or a station/outpost/other citadel is requiered assemble the final product?

Never assume any BPO will be reimbursed or converted to a new item.
CCPs stance repeatedly has been "youve gotten use out of it" as a reason for lack of reimbursement.

There is, however, an extremely good reason for this stance. It levels the playing field for the new mechanic.
While it may seem unfair to lose all of the hard work and time it would be even more unfair to newer players to release a system and then make them compete directly against perfect BPOs.

That has to be the dumbest thing I've read in this thread so far.

Might as well just reset everyone's SP and wallet once a year to make it "fair" to new players, right?

Edit: And it's a legitemate concern for station/pos owners regardless of the BPOs. Stations and towers are a huge investment even for large alliances, so will they be replaced 1:1 with the new structures or will owners be SOL?

It's one thing to lose a tower or station to reds when you have a chance to defend it, it's quite another just to lose it because CCP.

I believe in one of the original dev blogs it was mentioned that medium citadels could be anchored with an orca while large and XL citadels would require a freighter. Has this been changed or is this still the case?

Any update on concerns/issues raised here?

Gone awfully quiet, considering it is getting closer to release.

EDIT: I docked in a Citadel last night on Duality. Opening the inventory I saw the ship hanger. yay!

Also, no more interior? No more ship spinning?
I hope this is early stage too, as a 'switch between' interior and exterior view would be cool.

No interior and ship spinning in Citadel. You can spin you ship on a station or outpost.

The current info seems to be that Medium citadels will not be able to fit a market service module. This definitely has some selfish reasons from myself behind it, but I do feel that this is too limiting. You won't be able to set up a small trade outpost someplace, or in my case, be able to set up a Medium Citadel in a wormhole with market features for people living there.

No interior and ship spinning in Citadel. You can spin you ship on a station or outpost.

Hello there, do you have time to talk about our lord and savior, the Station Interior?

You may remember this reddit thread we created a while back that summarized various points regarding the new Citadels.

One point that stood out quite a lot was your disappointment regarding the lack of station interior in Citadels. We discussed that quite a bit internally and decided to revert that decision. So yes, Citadels will have station interiors.

Several reasons for that. First is psychological. We want Citadels to feel like home, like your little protected bubble away from harm. Having an outside view of space around the structure doesn't convey that. In fact, it gives the feeling you're exposed to external factors, which is the exact opposite of the goal we wanted. Compare that with NPC stations and Outposts, where you feel safe spinning your ship despite having an army of angry nerds waiting outside. Again, it purely is a psychological effect, since Citadels will still be destructible, but we feel it's important point to keep.

Second, we have technical concerns by only having an external view mode. What if there is a lot of visual noise happening around the structure when you're docked? (ex: fleet fight) Well then you have a lot of rendering to do in the client, significantly slowing the docked experience. While you'll still have TiDi if you are in a station interior in a busy system, your client won't have to load all the effects around, which is a serious advantage.

So, based on all of that, here is how it's going to work:

• If you are in a subcapital or capital ship and you dock into a Citadel, you will get a regular station interior with ship spinning like you would on NPC stations or Outposts.
• If you are in a supercapital (titan or supercarriers) and you dock, you will get another station interior but with fixed camera (can't spin the ship). That's because there are various technical reasons tied to that.
• When inside either of these station interiors, you can also go look at the window, which is the external view we were giving you before. It most likely won't have the overview or ship brackets, but it will at least give you a general tactical assessment of what's outside. If not, you can always undock (tethering will keep you safe), look around then dock back. If nothing else it can also serve as a nice scenery when activity is going on outside the structure
• If you take direct control of the structure you will of course have the overview and ship brackets, since you need these to fire the structure defenses.
• No captain quarters in the new structures.

Hope that helps!

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Alright, to recap where we're at with this.


Tethering:

• Going to be renamed tethering instead of mooring (mooring is confusing for various reasons).
• As long as within some specific range of the structure and do not have weapons timer, you ship is tethered, meaning it cannot receive damage or be locked.
• You can align and move within the specified tethering range and still be protected, as long as you do not go outside the maximum range.
• You will not be able to tether to the structure if you are warp scrambled from a targeted module (HIC point, regular warp scrambling modules).
• You will be able to tether to the structure if you are within an AoE warp scramble bubble (HIC AoE bubble, interdictor bubble). Of course you will not be able to warp away however. This is to prevent people from being caught their pants down when logging back on near a structure.
• Tethering will be shown in the UI and visually in space.
• We are investigating options to minimize bumping when you are tethered.
• If your ship has access to dock into the structure it can use tethering. This doesn't mean you ship can dock however. For instance, you may have access to dock into a Medium Citadel as a Titan pilot, but you still are unable to dock. Your Titan will still be tethered when in range of the structure.
• If you log off you do not stay in space near the structure, you log off as you normally would (which is why calling this feature "mooring" is confusing).
• If you leave your active ship the tether will not protect the ship left behind and will tether to your capsule.

Docking

• Medium Citadels: all subcapitals can dock. The Orca and Freighters can also dock.
• Large Citadels: all capitals can dock. This includes the Rorqual.
• X-Large Citadels: all ships can dock.
• There are different docking bays depending if you are in a subcapital, capital or supercapital. Depending on the structure, there may be more than one of each. You cannot choose which one to undock from (for now at least).
• There is no station interior. When you dock the scene is centered around the structure. Some information may be hidden (like the overview or ship modules) since technically you are not in a ship anymore. Since you're tethered it's easy to undock and then dock back up to get this information back.

Defense

• Assuming direct control of the structure brings the overview and structure modules up, since you are now manning its defenses.
• We're going to require proper user groups to assume direct control. They'll provide more flexibility than roles since groups can be defined for people outside your corporation or alliance. They'll have admins and managers, more on that at a later date.
• You'll be able to set up groups to kick people out when assuming direct control - just in case that nasty spy is shooting on your own ships during a fleet battle.
• You won't need to train Starbase Defense Management to assume direct control. One player will control all defenses at once. The Starbase Defense Management skill will be removed (and reimbursed) or properly refurbished when we remove Starbases.
• New structures will not have automated defenses.
• Rest of the defense mechanics are explained there.

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Concerning the item safety mechanics: I'd suggest highsec (and maybe lowsec) take on the same mechanics as w-space, with hangars dropping loot upon destruction. Having seen just how many derelict towers exist in highsec, I'd hate to see abandoned citadels cluttering up space just as much. By making undefended citadels potential loot sources, you'd create a driver for conflict in highsec AND keep space a lot cleaner. After all, this isn't null. Highsec is littered with NPC stations that could have held all that stuff.

If players dont free up all their assets over time, will there be decay on delivery packages? (on destruction)