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Master Sergeant MacRobert
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Multicultural F1 Brigade
246
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Posted - 2015.11.21 18:16:58 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets?? I get dunked alot; doesn't really bother me. It's part of the game unless you are a hyper risk-averse carebear. I would prefer that when said dunks occur they do so because the opponent possessed superior tactics, speed and knowledge of the game rather than because they give CCP more money every month. "If you take my links I'll just bring a Falcon or logi alt" is a bad argument, as has been duly demonstrated when it's tossed out as a red herring in every single thread on this topic. Suffice to say the risk/reward for those variants of assistance is at a far more appropriate level, for various reasons. (Must be risked on grid, appears on mails, only effective against one or two opponents, etc.) I'm thinking you haven't encountered many Recon ships. As most of us have already said, we would like to have OGBs show up on killmails. Logi too.
And a aggression timer ofc...
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs Drama Sutra
28
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Posted - 2015.11.22 00:59:31 -
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Do you even realise that you guys only discuss of OGBs in low sec ? Do you even realise that in null they are just fine and the only way for small gangs to compete with home defense blob?
So ok maybe OBG are worse than aids in low sec, i don't know, i don't play there and i hate that place.
But if bringing them on grid is the way to fix them in lowsec, it totaly fucks up null secs small gangs. I'll just copy paste here what i already said somewhere else. I you don't speak french just use google traduction or anything, it's 2AM and i'm to lazy to traduce sry
"Lucy Callagan" wrote:"Nyvis" wrote:"Lucy Callagan" wrote:"Nyvis" wrote: Mais tu vois des masses de frig t1 link+¬es qui vont combattre des newbies en plex fw. Le seul r+¬sultat, c'est que plus personne engage de peur que ton adversaire soit sous link. +ºa c'est probl+¿me localis+¬ au low sec uniquement, mettre les links on grid en low aurait peut-+¬tre un impact b+¬n+¬fique sur le probl+¿me mais les cons+¬quences seraient tr+¿s differentes en nullsec. J'avais pas pens+¬ +á cette approche, mais ouais, c'est pas faux, l'impact est tr+¿s diff+¬rent entre les deux zones (sans parler du highsec o+¦ tu peux wardec et avoir un alt link hors corp). Le solo est tr+¿s diff+¬rent aussi. J'ai moins d'exp+¬rience des engagements de petite taille en null, donc j'ai moins id+¬e de l'impact. Mais dans l'ensemble, je pense pas que +ºa change grand chose, +á part ouvrir plus de possibilit+¬s aux groupes +á bas skill points, vu que dans la majorit+¬ des cas, un gang undock pas sans boosts. Apr+¿s, le fait qu'on puisse te snipe ton booster s'il est on grid peut +¬tre un probl+¿me. Disons que +ºa desavantage clairement les groupes smg. Par exemple: une fleet de machin blob random vs 5/10 mec en kite @50-60 km(engagement type en ns). Les links du blob sit bien tranquilement sur la gate prot+¬g+¬ par tous les potos et eventuellement sous reps pendant que les links su smg sont mwd on :mwd: @ 250-300 km ou a cot+¬ de ses poto. Que se passe-t-il ? Le links du blob ne courre aucun risque et n'est donc pas +¬liminable, alors que pour les 5/10 mecs, soit leurs links sont combat prob+¬ (et comme c'est sur une gate/station +ºa se fait literralement en <10s) soit deux ou trois jihad-inty suffisent a avoir un tackle suffisant pour le tomber. Et m+¬me si cela n'y parviennent pas, les links du smg courrent un risque alors que ceux du blob non. Conclusion, le smg et encore plus le solo est d+¬savantag+¬. Quote:+á part ouvrir plus de possibilit+¬s aux groupes +á bas skill points, Un groupe low sp vs un blob revient a la situation suivante mais sans links donc c'est encore pire. Dans un deuxieme cas de figure, un groupe low sp(i.e je sais pas moi ? Caracals, svipuls, vexor, inty, eventuellement typhoon ?) vs des joueur qui jouent habituellement avec des links(i.e Orthrus, Mach, Vigilant, rapier?)... Le resultat reste le m+¬me, avec ou sans links d'un cot+¬ comme de l'autre.
[17:34:53] LucyCallagan > Respectez mon Eliterie je vous prie !
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1503
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Posted - 2015.11.24 04:15:32 -
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Lucy Callagan wrote:Do you even realise that you guys only discuss of OGBs in low sec ? Do you even realise that in null they are just fine and the only way for small gangs to compete with home defense blob?
So ok maybe OBG are worse than aids in low sec, i don't know, i don't play there and i hate that place.
But if bringing them on grid is the way to fix them in lowsec, it totaly fucks up null secs small gangs. I'll just copy paste here what i already said somewhere else. I you don't speak french just use google traduction or anything, it's 2AM and i'm to lazy to traduce sry
They are fine in low sec too and used for the exact same reason you state they are used for in Null sec.
Null sec isn't 'special' when it come to link use.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1593
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Posted - 2015.11.24 08:12:12 -
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Links are broken and make my solo pvp broken, which is after all the main focus of eve.
Links are god mode and they are simply impossible to catch. Some may point to the fact that over 2 days more than half a dozen link ships have been destroyed in our current system push (pushes which never happen because there is no mechanical incentive to force people to do so all the time, rather leaving it to player choice driven by their own narrative, lame). But those people are lying and the role of taking hostile links out of the equation in a larger battle that is spread across up to 4 plexes with over 100 players is a joke when you compare it to my single kestrel trying to find half fit russian farming alts in back end systems WHO ARE ALSO BROKEN BECAUSE THEY KEEP WARPING AWAY!!!!!!!
Links are simply broken because they interfere with my choice to fly alone when other people use friends and alts. |
Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
218
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Posted - 2015.11.24 12:36:12 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets?? I get dunked alot; doesn't really bother me. It's part of the game unless you are a hyper risk-averse carebear. I would prefer that when said dunks occur they do so because the opponent possessed superior tactics, speed and knowledge of the game rather than because they give CCP more money every month. "If you take my links I'll just bring a Falcon or logi alt" is a bad argument, as has been duly demonstrated when it's tossed out as a red herring in every single thread on this topic. Suffice to say the risk/reward for those variants of assistance is at a far more appropriate level, for various reasons. (Must be risked on grid, appears on mails, only effective against one or two opponents, etc.)
Honestly though i cannot think of a single fight bar one in the last six months that i directly lost because my opponent was linked.
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
754
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Posted - 2015.11.25 02:50:17 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:IbanezLaney wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
On that day, I shall have my mop and bucket ready to collect the flood of tears from "elite solo pvp'ers" who are trash without their little friend. Or two - give my regards to CAANON.
But you will also not have them on that day - So you will still get dunked. Either way - Your tears will continue to flow. What will you cry about next?? ECM?? Logi?? Fleets?? I get dunked alot; doesn't really bother me. It's part of the game unless you are a hyper risk-averse carebear. I would prefer that when said dunks occur they do so because the opponent possessed superior tactics, speed and knowledge of the game rather than because they give CCP more money every month. "If you take my links I'll just bring a Falcon or logi alt" is a bad argument, as has been duly demonstrated when it's tossed out as a red herring in every single thread on this topic. Suffice to say the risk/reward for those variants of assistance is at a far more appropriate level, for various reasons. (Must be risked on grid, appears on mails, only effective against one or two opponents, etc.) Honestly though i cannot think of a single fight bar one in the last six months that i directly lost because my opponent was linked.
Well, good for you. I see fights or the lack thereof on a daily basis decided by links.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1594
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Posted - 2015.11.25 03:15:17 -
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Everyone knows i use links. I have no lack of fights.
Perhaps the problem with you is something else? |
Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2015.11.25 04:26:24 -
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In my humble opinion removing off grid links without completely reworking links will essentially kill small gangs. Please know I'm not pro link alts at all, I'm in the camp all links off gird, on grid, whatever should be completely removed from the game. If CCP decides to remove off grid boost they need to make on grid boost an active activity so that the person running links has to target specific players and only those players get the link their targeted with similar to applying dps or reps. When one person reps someone the whole fleet doesn't get repped or if some applies targeted dps the whole fleet doesn't take damage. Boost should require thought and action on the part of the person flying the ship and should affect only targeted people. |
Aves Asio
3
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Posted - 2015.11.25 12:34:57 -
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Switch Savage wrote:Honestly though i cannot think of a single fight bar one in the last six months that i directly lost because my opponent was linked.
Thats because you have the advantage of knowing who uses links in your area. |
Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
219
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Posted - 2015.11.25 13:56:07 -
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Well for a start you should should gain Intel about players in your area so everyone should have that advantage. I also fight linked PvPers with decent counters if i have them available. I also use links myself when roaming in larger more expensive ships just so we are clear.
There are however very few situations where links purely decide the outcome of the fight and in those that they do, i admit it can be frustrating. A lot of people seem to simply find it easier to roll over, die and complain rather than adapt to an opponent though.
For example I was flying an arty Svipul and my prey was flying a autocannon Svipul. Once i had confirmed his max cold m/s i judged he had snakes but no links. His speed spiked and i wrongly put that down to him overheating to catch me so i heated my web/prop and waited for him to close. His scram landed at the same range my overheated web did and he ended up catching me.
Now my first thought after the fight was not "damn links so OP". I was simply annoyed at myself for incorrectly assuming his speed increase was a result of him overloading, when it was actually him turning links on. This was MY mistake I learnt from it and moved on and did not instantly complain for links to be removed. It makes for a more dynamic PvP environment in my opinion and anyone saying they are a barrier for entry into PvP is not a good PvPer. |
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
577
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Posted - 2015.11.25 14:38:41 -
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If you dislike fighting linked ships I highly recommend that you hunt them.
I've killed 8 of them in the last 2 days of action in Pavanakka.
Proof
Also, if you would like assistance in learning how to kill link ships Gallente Militia is recruiting and willing to teach.
- Than
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
219
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Posted - 2015.11.25 14:50:53 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:If you dislike fighting linked ships I highly recommend that you hunt them. I've killed 8 of them in the last 2 days of action in Pavanakka. ProofAlso, if you would like assistance in learning how to kill link ships Gallente Militia is recruiting and willing to teach. - Than
Brings a tear to my eye, nice work. |
Raya Efiel
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
1
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:18:26 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:If you dislike fighting linked ships I highly recommend that you hunt them. I've killed 8 of them in the last 2 days of action in Pavanakka. ProofAlso, if you would like assistance in learning how to kill link ships Gallente Militia is recruiting and willing to teach. - Than
Killing our links! Not cool. How are we supposed to fight the Gals without links? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1596
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:29:29 -
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Player solution to making the gameplay of ogb a little more consuming.
Who would have thought? |
Arla Sarain
708
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:06:20 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:If you dislike fighting linked ships I highly recommend that you hunt them. I've killed 8 of them in the last 2 days of action in Pavanakka. ProofAlso, if you would like assistance in learning how to kill link ships Gallente Militia is recruiting and willing to teach. - Than This is just rolling the argument back and forth like a poorly wrapped joint.
You caught some link ships amongst heavy commotion.
The entire discussion just goes back and forth between the same points A) Links are nigh uncounterable in small gang/1v1 fights. B) Links are crucial for small gangs to fight blobs C) Links are counterable with a highly specialised investment assuming the links owner is occupied and doesn't check D-SCAN D) Fighting links boils down to who brings a prober or another linking ship. E) "This is an MMO so bring some pet frands to play the bullshit part of the game, cos frands" D) Countering link ships in LS involves circumventing the station/gate mechanics.
Each successive post just repeats one or two of these.
Tiring TBH. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders
580
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:11:34 -
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I said nothing about supporting current design of links. I'm just a proponent of hunting them and blowing them up for isk.
Black Fox Marauders is Recruiting
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
881
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:12:24 -
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Thanatos Marathon wrote:If you dislike fighting linked ships I highly recommend that you hunt them. I've killed 8 of them in the last 2 days of action in Pavanakka. ProofAlso, if you would like assistance in learning how to kill link ships Gallente Militia is recruiting and willing to teach. - Than
I like this. Never underestimate how people will forgo tank because they want the best bang for their buck. |
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
1332
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Posted - 2015.11.26 11:35:35 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:You will just see more of it as developers realize they can get away with it. You already see examples here.
"MUH P2W superboosting pet is fair because everyone can buy one!"
In those years I've used my links, I've been probed maybe half a dozen times and had to move my OGB. Compared to the number of times I've been called names for using them, that's not a lot.
Else I got two toons with CS skills, so I'm nerfproof anyways. It's just not that feasible cause cap consumption on warfare links is stupid and makes it extremely hard to justify putting them on field as opposed to leaving them on a safespot. They make links passive, or with token ativation cost - I'll reconsider. Also, a CS boosting itself without the need to have a random guy somewhere in system is needed. |
C11H17NO3
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2015.11.26 16:23:58 -
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I do not care that links and or "off grid links" exist.
I just want to have the linking char and ship show up on Kill mails so we know who the truly solo pilots are and which ones are not.
I also want a status attribute on KM's to denote whether the pilots were in a fleet or not at the time, to indicate scout and probe/scanning use. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
40934
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Posted - 2015.11.27 00:36:28 -
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C11H17NO3 wrote:I do not care that links and or "off grid links" exist.
I just want to have the linking char and ship show up on Kill mails so we know who the truly solo pilots are and which ones are not.
I also want a status attribute on KM's to denote whether the pilots were in a fleet or not at the time, to indicate scout and probe/scanning use. Well from CCP Fozzie on the stream today, links are being bought on grid soon (not before Christmas, so we can assume early in the new year) and possibly with an area of effect also.
Those that use links will adapt and the whinging will continue as always.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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D0nci
Ten Below Zero
0
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Posted - 2015.11.27 00:39:53 -
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The whiners won, they'll be removing OGB in the next few months. RIP small gang, all hail the blobs. Fozzie talks about it in this stream:
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/v/27816547
from 1:08:25 (rest is not really important) |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Spaceship Bebop
422
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Posted - 2015.11.27 00:48:42 -
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falcon alts errywere \o/
BEBOPS ODE TO PERUNGA
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D0nci
Ten Below Zero
0
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Posted - 2015.11.27 00:56:53 -
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ALUCARD 1208 wrote:falcon alts errywere \o/ And thus the whining will continue until they remove ECM from game. Then the next best anti-blob mechanic... It really just keeps on going until we are only left with n00bships. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1598
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Posted - 2015.11.27 01:27:28 -
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People are already gearing up for ewar whining with the new faction electronic frigs. Personally, im gearing up to make sure my booster alt is very well trained for them. |
Dani Maulerant
Order of the Valkyrie LOADED-DICE
37
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Posted - 2015.11.27 01:41:06 -
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Least with ewar alts those KMs will no longer list information as appearing faux "solo" lolololol Much easier to trade, track, and prove information of who flies with an extra on hand.
I think this year I will be asking the Mall Santa for bulk industrial drum containers for all the tears to come. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1598
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Posted - 2015.11.27 01:42:32 -
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You realise that people cry more about being perma jammed than they do when they lose to someone who is boosted? |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1505
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Posted - 2015.11.27 05:42:10 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:You realise that people cry more about being perma jammed than they do when they lose to someone who is boosted?
I think unsubbing link toons to hit CCP in the pocket and to lower the online player count will also be an option for people who use links.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
756
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Posted - 2015.11.27 06:34:49 -
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I'm gonna need a bigger mop for all these tears.
#getgood |
Yun Kuai
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
286
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Posted - 2015.11.27 06:40:13 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:You realise that people cry more about being perma jammed than they do when they lose to someone who is boosted? I think unsubbing link toons to hit CCP in the pocket and to lower the online player count will also be an option for people who use links.
Interestingly enough, I just resubbed my alt account. Granted she's got CS 5 and max links, but she also has logi 5, Cal/Gal BS 5, Recon 5, and can sit in a Cal/Gal Carrier. I won't be so upset with links moving on grid.
Now, just need to talk to the Chinese government and explain to them why they need to open up their interwebs because dual boxing here is just asking for insta-DC's all day, everyday
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Kalo Askold
Sanguis Inceptum
15
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Posted - 2015.11.27 07:32:39 -
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Meh links are the cancer of lowsec and now highsec station games. Need at least a 2bil pod to compete or pay for another account. Then ccp wonders why their active numbers are so small with less and less new people no matter how good the tutorial phase is. Between links and op ships no reason for a new bro to try eve pvp unless dragged in by a friend. Thier play time will just be death after death because someone has another account running a 500mil t3c for their 3 mil kestrel vs their own low sp kestrel. As for older people using links, lol risk adverse little s----. Enjoy dying to my griffin fleets! |
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