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Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:48:00 -
[61]
 Originally by: Ather Ialeas
I define survivability by sovereignty: If I can go wherever I want to without being stopped by someone/something hostile then I can say that my survivability is high. That has nothing to do with staying alive, everyone of us (well, at least Amarr) can fit 7-8 stabs to battleship and fly through just about anything.
Oh and btw, I do transport zydrine through 0.0 in stabless haulers without scouts and occasionally also in shuttles. I don't need survivality in lowsec/0.0 to do that at all but I'm rather bored at the gimmicks EVE's gameplay model requires when you're not outright shooting someone.
You will not be able to solo a battleship on your first day (unless it's AFK). You are correct about a lowbie being limited in his/her options (I take it that is what you mean in your second post). I am talking about thriving in low-sec though. I am talking about making a living from day 1 that is both fun and rewarding. This does not take a lot of skillpoints. It does take a lot of skill.
I'm not sure why you are telling me you haul stuff through 0.0. Good on ya, I guess. I am merely pointing out a factual error in your first post where you stated that you need x amount of skillpoints in order to have fun and pvp.
/Ki
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:53:00 -
[62]
Well as funny as it might be, I seen 'wow' in the link.
So why was this important to the Eve-Online community?
Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter pirate or mixture of them all.
[i]As read from the original box.
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Mining Munitions and Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:56:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Sales Merchant
Edited by: Sales Merchant on 04/01/2007 09:12:19
Friend of mine sent me this link this morning, i think you all might find it quite amusing, it made me laugh as its just your average day in eve tbh, nothing unusual there 
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EVE is a cold world baby, and thats the way we like it!! 
lol, i love it. shame that being a noob they made several mistakes - one they went into lowsec thinking it was safe, two they trusted pirates who'd just killed them, three they tough a rookie ship could handle combat with... well something. we don't need players who aren't going to think. what they did was like making a WoW character and going straight into the capital city of the enemy faction. it's just plain dumb, and they should have expected the result.
i played WoW, and got bored, i came here much as they did for a break... that was at the beginning of summer, and i'm not going back to WoW in the forseeable future. funny that. you know why? because i listended to the shiny warnings saying "if you do this you'll get owned" and i went through the tutorial, so i understood how things work. i read the forums, and got involved.
sounds to me like this player simply charged headlong expecting this game to be like WoW.
bye, bye, mister ignorant 13 year old. come back when you're willing to think before you act.
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Ras Blumin
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:58:00 -
[64]
"Eve has an great community (just don't play wow)".
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Araxmas
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:11:00 -
[65]
When i started i went into 0.4 within 4 days to see what it was like (to see whenever it was a massacre or a calm empty place) needless to say I died when a chancing player took me out. I died, I was confused, I than carried on playing because I than knew what negative sec was like so i could prepare myself next time, its adapt or die not hand-held comfy land like WoW (and yes i do own wow and yes i have got upto level 60.etc so I do know what its like).
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Hazurr
Amarr
Angelic Industries
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:14:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Ki An
Eve is like Lego without instructions
Well said mate, less "cookie cutter" than WoW at least  .
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Pessimism is the foundation of survival
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:18:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Araxmas
When i started i went into 0.4 within 4 days to see what it was like (to see whenever it was a massacre or a calm empty place) needless to say I died when a chancing player took me out. I died, I was confused, I than carried on playing because I than knew what negative sec was like so i could prepare myself next time, its adapt or die not hand-held comfy land like WoW (and yes i do own wow and yes i have got upto level 60.etc so I do know what its like).
See I don't think the EVE community is anti-WoW so much as we're anti-"WoW players who come on the forums after being blown up in low-sec to tell the devs to change the game because clearly there's no chance they perhaps should have read that dialog box or instead asked a polite question which would have been answer clearly in the appropriate forum section".
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:31:00 -
[68]
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Araxmas
When i started i went into 0.4 within 4 days to see what it was like (to see whenever it was a massacre or a calm empty place) needless to say I died when a chancing player took me out. I died, I was confused, I than carried on playing because I than knew what negative sec was like so i could prepare myself next time, its adapt or die not hand-held comfy land like WoW (and yes i do own wow and yes i have got upto level 60.etc so I do know what its like).
See I don't think the EVE community is anti-WoW so much as we're anti-"WoW players who come on the forums after being blown up in low-sec to tell the devs to change the game because clearly there's no chance they perhaps should have read that dialog box or instead asked a polite question which would have been answer clearly in the appropriate forum section".
In general, they don't do that. What they do is cancel their subscriptions, go back to their WOW forums and tell people how ****e Eve is because it's full of people like you. And then people like you pick posts from their threads and post them here to attempt to show the moral superiority of your gameplay environment, which I might add is complete rubbish, because clearly the WOW gameplay environment is more popular.
You are a fanboy in a niche game. Has it ever occurred to you that it appeals to you not because you are "better", but because you are Strange?
And no, I don't, have never and probably will never play Wow.
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Auron Shadowbane
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:02:00 -
[69]
Both Eve and WoW are nice games. Played both stayed with Eve cause WoW endgame wasnt appealing. The big difference and offence factor on Eve-community side is that even if both games get those 8-year-olds WoW cathers for them (and makes tons of cash in the process) while Eve just lets em kiss the basement.
It's good as it is and if it were different and Eve would be a game domianted by kids I might be playing wow instead.
Just like electronic-charges adults vs kids polarize so they allways sit at oposing ends of a game-genre :).
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Vladimir Ilych
No Quarter.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:24:00 -
[70]
I don't think Eve and WoW should be compared too much. They are very different and cater to different tastes. The OP WoW player just does not see what we like in Eve. Horses for courses and all that.
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Rustimon
Polar Bear Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:37:00 -
[71]
That guy is too crap for any MMORPG if you ask me.
I do like how some of the WoW players are calling him a nitwit though. :]
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Dura Kelkin
Amarr
Catalyst Reaction
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:37:00 -
[72]
Space is vast, cold and unforgiving.
WoW is filled with unicorns and carebears.
Pick the game which suits your playstyle.
..and for that matter don't assume you've mastered anything after trying it for two days. It just 'might' be that your approach to this was bound to fail.
hahahahhahahha
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Lord Slater
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:55:00 -
[73]
I too was suprised by the WoW players knoledge of eve.
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YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.05 16:57:00 -
[74]
LOL, WoW carebears seem to be alot more carebearish then eve carebears.
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moxica
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:17:00 -
[75]
If somebody here plays WoW, they should link this thread to that thread.
We can all say hello to WOW.
Hello WoW players.
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:25:00 -
[76]
interesting...
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zaqq
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:46:00 -
[77]
bad advertising is just that. BAD advertising, for those that think it is funny, you obviously do not see the larger picture. if you want eve to continue into the future, then new blood needs to join.
still think its funny ?
acts of pure griefing, show the true intellect of those players. sad day.
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SwindonBadger
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:26:00 -
[78]
Edited by: SwindonBadger on 05/01/2007 18:26:51
just incase they get a linky I shall try be nice..
Dear wow players, this is not easy peasy to get into.... it takes a loooooo00oong time to know even just one part of the game or race of ships.. its hard work to get your first battle ship solo but there are many good young and old alliances in need of fresh meet who will train u up. When u loose a ship it will hurt you (unless u is a nutter or ur very well off) and u might have to spend ages just getting back to the space you where flying in, u might even get ganked trying to get back there. You can learn alot in safe space but you wont find much action in pvp sence.
Take the opening scene in star wars (return of the sith) u have a massive fleet battle going on, theres a reason behind all the ships there. If u mange to see a big fleet fight in eve of 200 to 400 peeps ull see its not too far off it. How did wars come about in star wars and eve... very very similer, the strugle to control space the galaxy and trading routes.
When u take your ship into battle it will have its place/ orders in fleet, u have a purpose and the losses on both sides will meen alot, that makes winning one of those battles an apreciated thing. I like to fly small stuff like a tie fighter and u are flying right up to the enemy ships dropping a bubble to stop them from warping out, the exsperiance of bombing an enemy fleet esp when all the suport ships are trying to kill you is amazing. like wise for the slower more powerful ships a team work of cordination is need to kill primarys watch for jamming ships and incoming tacklers is a megga buzz, one slip up and months worth of work is reduced to dust and frozen meet. Even a lost battle is enjoyable and the rewards from winning a large fleet battle can change alot for the outcome of 0.0 space. These are big moments in eve but the prosses of getting to those points are also very good fun, small skirmishes big mining opps (yuk for some :) blocking trading routes. Its massive and even the polatics and spy networks are a league of there own (though also can get smacky smacky). Its very unique and totally amazing if u like the idear of space games.
my adivce is find your feet then join a good pvp alliance or corp depending on what kind of thing tickles your unicorn.
I went down the honerable alliance always defedning and eventually got board of pollatics ( I dont see much difference between an alliance killing of people to claim space and a pirate, only that pirates shout yarghh and proberly have more fun) and joined a pirate corp whith some old friends, mainly FC's ( fleet comanders ) and now have had the most amazing time! We make a new home and move on when we want. Life is not easy we face many many people for the numbers we run, the buzz of the game makes us do crazy things and the rewards are far greater then any other game I have played (played aloot of games). It most certainly is not a game for everyone but for those that like it has become quite special.
I do not think u will gain much knowledge about eve from a small squeeker whos played the game for less then 6 months.
love and kisses as always
Swin
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Decarus
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:27:00 -
[79]
Yeah.. pure griefing is bad advertisement for EvE?
Atleast, if you've got brains enough, you can learn from that experience.
You know what you can learn from being CorpseCamped in WoW? That's right, roll a Rogue and vanish+sprint away from your CCers.
You know how often CCing has been bashed on official WoW forums? That's right, all the time.
Has WoW lost any potential subscribers due to whining over griefing? If it has, it's not showing on their numbers.
You know why? Because, even on the WoW forums, people generaly don't pay attention to whiners. Nobody likes whiners, just ask the girls.
You didn't even read the replies there did you? Most of them seem pretty pro-EvE to me.
In the words of Thokk of Aggramar
EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs.
If it's too hard, you are too weak.
~Decarus,
DANGER! Highly corrosive chemical material. Contact may cause severe irritation, burns or poisoning. Keep away from children. |
Nicocat
Caldari
New Age Solutions
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:30:00 -
[80]
I have nothing against WoW players... well, nothing relating to their playing WoW. I DO, however, like to mock people for being morons. And I see them in both communities. I'll defend EVE from people falsely accusing it of being t3h sux l0l, and mock their game in retaliation (which, for WoW, is mighty easy), but never bash someone just for the sake of playing WoW.
Now, if they're children, that's entirely different, since I ******* hate children on my Internet. Especially if mommy and daddy somehow got them a mic... *rambles incoherently as he goes back to work*
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Originally by: Splagada
SEED ME DADDY
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FireMonk
Caldari
black viper corp
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:35:00 -
[81]
lol. I've done that before...
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Originally by: Benglada
Theres two people in eve.
People who got blown up and said "OMGGRIEF BBSS UNFAIR OMG LEAVING"
And the people who say "Wow, That o |
Shi Mun
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.01.05 18:40:00 -
[82]
Hehehe... i hate WoW... I hate WoW players even more...
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Euthanasia XXX
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Posted - 2007.01.06 07:47:00 -
[83]
WoW brought MMOs to the masses. How can that be a bad thing. The person on the WoW euro forums may not be ready for Eve yet, but in a year or 2 he may. That means more people playing, not just Eve, but all MMOs. That means that many more MMOs are going to be developed, and the more that are developed, the more diverse they will be. I fail to see the downside.
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EPSILON DELTA
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Posted - 2007.01.06 10:06:00 -
[84]
Can't blame him, you can't expect a WoW kids to handle so much emotional trauma associated with the concept of actual risk, they are, after all, mostly 12 years olds.
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Joran Koba
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Posted - 2007.01.07 04:27:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Vidar Kentoran
Edited by: Vidar Kentoran on 04/01/2007 10:21:09
Edited by: Vidar Kentoran on 04/01/2007 10:20:33
Originally by: Aramendel
About 66% of the responses effeciently call him an moron, though. More pro-eve than anti-eve.
What do you get here when someone posts a similar uninformed topic, but about wow?
WoW has 7.5 million subscribers. CCP has 200k(I think, could be closer to 300 now).
Go to any serious mmo gamers' forum or website, and see who gets more respect, CCP or Blizzard. Let me give you a hint: It isn't the people making 1 billion a year in revenue.
There's a reason for that.
There is a reason for that. The average person is a braindead coward. They don't like games where the combat involves more than spamming frostbolt untill the kobold dies, then repeating that over and over untill the kobold is onyxia. They are intimidated by big words like transversal velocity. They want uber handed to them on a +5 plate and fear the chance of their mistakes having consequences. Just to put this into perspective here is a list of other things the majority of people thought were good ideas: Slavery, george bush, burning "witches", medical leeches, bellbottoms, jerry springer and prohibition. I take playing unpopular games as a sign that i have good taste. If the majority would like to debate it they can feel free to do so after they figure out the mind boggling "no pickles" riddle and finaly give me my bigmac like i ordered it.
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CrimsonSky
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:08:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Keras
when you finnaly do go out and try stuff for the first time,you realise the first fatal flaw of EVE.
absolutely no flying control of your ship!
thats right,all you do is eighter set the autopilot or doubleclick in space.
you cannot turn your ship,rotate it, or make complex flying meuveours(ala star wars type space fighting)
all you do is click the autopilot or you doubleclick into space,and you ship automatically goes there with full thrust(making the point of speed pointless since youre always going with maximum thrust)
First... you aren't flying Fighter planes in EVE. You're piloting Naval ships.
Speed pointless because you go everywhere at full thrust? Well, obviously (to anyone who's actually played EVE...) you can change your speed. Secondly, how is going 7,000 meters/second and going 125 meters/second not a difference? Yes, both ships are going at 100% speed. One's still a hell of a lot faster.
Originally by: Keras
there is no dodging the hits,since youre locked on and the only modifier if you hit/get hit is the range and perhaps some modules you can install.
Ok. Please tell those Crows to stop making me miss, as I am locked on and cannot possibly be missing them. Must be a bug.
Originally by: Keras
but the real deal is when you realise the first few skills only take 1-2 hours to learn.while the advanced ones take up to a day or more.so whats the point of sleeping over it when i wake up i still has 7 hours to go.LAME!
As opposed to killing the same monster or running the same instance over and over and over to get a level. Ok.
Originally by: Keras
the skills themselves really dont give you much stuff eighter.most give you some kind of uselss buff like +5% ship agility which is dumb.but most are there because you need them to upgrade you ship.for instance you cannot put shields on without knowledge about electronics.so basically its just prolonguing your playtime so you can play more while not really getting much out of it.
Err... Just because a skill doesn't let you shoot a fireball doesn't mean it's useless. It makes your ship more effective, and with all the skills taken into account, makes you far more effective.
This kind of thing makes me sad, and at the same time, glad that EVE's steep learning curve scares these people away.
And to the person who said EVE needs new blood... yes, it does. Does it need that? No, no it doesn't. Making EVE into easymode-online may very well get new customers. However, it also chases away the old ones and turns EVE into a game that peaks early on then slowly dies. Like every other MMO that isn't EVE. EVE has been steadily growing since the start, and isn't showing any signs of decline. This is because EVE isn't easymode-online, and I hope CCPrealizes this and doesn't change EVE.
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Luo T
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Posted - 2007.01.07 06:11:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Xsag
eve is by far the best MMPORG going (swg used to be great but they ruined that :-( )
Indeed.
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Typhis Deterious
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Posted - 2007.01.07 08:14:00 -
[88]
I play Eve and Wow, WoW since beta Eve for about a year now. I love both for different reasons but there are so many idiots in WoW it isn't funny. The best thing to come out of WoW is the Illegal Danish/Zinwrath movies (look em up on YouTube they are pretty good actually).
That being said, my first day in Eve consisted of me flying to an asteroid belt, seeing this canister and opening it to look inside. I got blown up but just chalked it up to lesson learned.
Both games have their share of pond scum but you get that anywhere you go.
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Nerfherder2000
Gallente
Serenity Co.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 09:04:00 -
[89]
Originally by: BurnHard
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Araxmas
When i started i went into 0.4 within 4 days to see what it was like (to see whenever it was a massacre or a calm empty place) needless to say I died when a chancing player took me out. I died, I was confused, I than carried on playing because I than knew what negative sec was like so i could prepare myself next time, its adapt or die not hand-held comfy land like WoW (and yes i do own wow and yes i have got upto level 60.etc so I do know what its like).
See I don't think the EVE community is anti-WoW so much as we're anti-"WoW players who come on the forums after being blown up in low-sec to tell the devs to change the game because clearly there's no chance they perhaps should have read that dialog box or instead asked a polite question which would have been answer clearly in the appropriate forum section".
In general, they don't do that. What they do is cancel their subscriptions, go back to their WOW forums and tell people how ****e Eve is because it's full of people like you. And then people like you pick posts from their threads and post them here to attempt to show the moral superiority of your gameplay environment, which I might add is complete rubbish, because clearly the WOW gameplay environment is more popular.
You are a fanboy in a niche game. Has it ever occurred to you that it appeals to you not because you are "better", but because you are Strange?
And no, I don't, have never and probably will never play Wow.
This is where I point out the irony in you not having played WoW, yet being able to defend the game somehow. You have no idea how accurate some of these comments about the general WoW player are.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.07 09:31:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Joran Koba
There is a reason for that. The average person is a braindead coward. They don't like games where the combat involves more than spamming frostbolt untill the kobold dies, then repeating that over and over untill the kobold is onyxia. They are intimidated by big words like transversal velocity.
Shows how much you know about wow. PvE mechanics are actually far more complex than in eve.
PvP..depends. Due to the battleground mechanics PvP is from the logistic side a lot simpler, but from tactics it can get fairly complex if you play vs good players. A lot of it is vs badly equipped/skills players skillless ganking, but so is your average 20 person gatecamp vs all but an equal/stronger counterforce.
I quit WoW in the end due to the way to high grind factor in endgame PvE and went back to EvE, but my fondest memories of WoW are from the battlegrounds.
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