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Stephra Parle Dark Angel Security	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:45:00 - [1] Edited by: Stephra Parle on 06/01/2007 11:41:46 Please keep this flame-free, as I am only after info/facts, PREFERABLY from IAC themselves. Not long ago, The Priory, a known hauler-ganking pirate corp who reside in the NPC stations in Curse were members of IAC (I'm not sure if they still are - I cannot log in to check). Now, IAC have called in the big guns of their pirate allies in -A-, who are rumoured to be using IAC to build their capital ships. Have IAC abandoned a NRDS policy in Catch and adopted a stance of piracy along with the likes of Priory, RAT and -A-? How will this affect docking and travel in the Curse/Catch border for neutrals and newer players who want to check out 0.0 space? Have they turned the area into a no-go zone, regardless of the war going on at present? Constructive answers would be preferred please. EDIT: spelling
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:55:00 - [2] would you alow neutrals to come spy on you why you were shooting pos's? and the priory inst a hauler ganking corp, we shoot shuttles. (wtf anyway ..) ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Stephra Parle Dark Angel Security	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:56:00 - [3] I'm more concerned about the long-term ties to known pirate corps than the current conflict. And leave my shuttle alone dammit!
maGz The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:58:00 - [4] We're pirates because we shoot neutrals in 0.0? ____________
Azzaa Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:01:00 - [5] Is it piracy to shoot ones enemys? no. Is it piracy to be friends with pirates? no. we nbsi in our own space during wars only after then everyone who isnt hostile is welcome to come dock in out stations and buy our stuff :) My little message to ISS
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:04:00 - [6] This is unproductive, you need to get your facts straight and terminology updated. NBSI in 0.0 isn't commonly referred to as piracy. To the best of my knowledge, Priory isn't IAC and has in fact been executor of SOD for quite some time. -----
Raem Civrie Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:04:00 - [7] I don't see IAC abandoning NRDS anytime soon. For one, more than half our pilotbase would have to be in a coma before letting it happen. ---- All you do is bark. You never meow.
DrDevice The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:57:00 - [8] Edited by: DrDevice on 06/01/2007 12:55:44 Is it piracy to defend your own space? why own the space, if you dont actually own it? you have to goto the effort and expense of keeping it, why should freeloaders be allowed in to plunder resources, then give nothing in return? On a tactical front NBSI means hostiles are very easy to spot. running an alliance as NRDS, you find yourself getting shot by randoms all the time, before you get to shoot them. Means they have the upper hand in every combat they come across. Morally I see why somone might not want to shoot neutrals, its just not very practical, and in my experience get abused more than it is beneficial. I could talk about spies, alts, etc which is why it is plain stupid in times of war (neutral alt with a cyno generator moving around at will, i think not) but they speak for themselves. Given the tone of your post, and the very black and white stance, you come across very selfishly, and concentrating on the fact that it will be inconvenient to you. Perhaps it is time to lay claim to a slice of 0.0 for yourself? in summary: It's not your space, there is a war going on, go there at your peril, its hardly piracy, lol :)
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:01:00 - [9] I actually killed a cruiser once. So THERE!
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:33:00 - [10] theres piracy in 0.0? Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Awox I Fought Piranhas	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:35:00 - [11] Originally by: nickycakes theres piracy in 0.0? I was minding my own busienss not bothering anyone in 0.0 today when some people gangbang my sexy little ship.
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:46:00 - [12] Edited by: ScreamingLord Sutch on 06/01/2007 13:43:07 bleh, bloody forums
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:46:00 - [13] Originally by: Stephra Parle as I am only after info/facts Not long ago, The Priory, a known hauler-ganking pirate corp blah blah curse npc stations The hauler ganking corp has killed 42 bs 33 elite frigs 31 bc 23 cruiser 14 elite cruiser 4 elite bc 3 elite destroyer and only 19 indies this week. They are far from a "hauler ganking corp" Also, they are up North now, not in Curse. If you looking for facts it would befit you to post facts and not flamebait trash that is at best totally inaccurate. Oh, I just read your bio, you are an ISS navy alt
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:52:00 - [14] 17 indies, 11 shutles and 1 rookie ship we ***** pwn! that must be alot of iskies! ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!**
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:38:00 - [15] Calling it piracy implies some form of law breaking. There are no laws in 0.0, so it's not piracy, simply a proactive defence. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:49:00 - [16] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 06/01/2007 14:47:50 Yeah i'm totally building capital ships for AAA, but i resent the implications that we're pirates ;[ NRDS foreva ! (except in active warzones) http://eve.klaki.net/
wierchas noobhunter Caldari Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:53:00 - [17] wtf are u talking about ? generaly if u dumbass dont post on forums Join 'Turby' channel ingame. Bring pie
Frools The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 15:08:00 - [18] Originally by: wierchas noobhunter generaly if u dumbass dont post on forums sage advice, if only more people would follow it
Hannah Edmondson	Posted - 2007.01.06 15:08:00 - [19] Edited by: Hannah Edmondson on 06/01/2007 15:06:14 Originally by: Awox Originally by: nickycakes theres piracy in 0.0? I was minding my own busienss not bothering anyone in 0.0 today when some people gangbang my sexy little ship. Sometimes, just existing in 0.0 could be enough to bother someone, what ever their reasons. If you don't want to get shot, don't come to 0.0. How hard is that? Especially when Neutrals could be hostile scout alts, NRDS is a ridiculous policy to follow, especially in wartime.
DHB FooFighter FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:28:00 - [20] I'm a Pirate. --------------------------------------------
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:31:00 - [21] The Priory shot at me the other day, I was deeply shaken by the whole affair. FOR SHAME! Originally by: Nev Clavain If a war of such scale does go down the sheer forum activity will probably put the server down for good.
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:31:00 - [22] I wasn't aware we had an anti-pirate stance, only and NRDS ---
Trinity Faetal Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:51:00 - [23] why the hell is every post about IAC being spammed by shroud of darknes ge a life you bloody pirates! -- Enjoy The Silence
Murukan Minmatar The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:32:00 - [24] speaking of haulers we did get a juicy one that dropped a gisti a-type small shield booster and a cov ops cloak yesterday Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Arrgs Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:02:00 - [25] Piracy doesn't exist in 0.0 My first video!
Roland 99 Minmatar Battlestars Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:08:00 - [26] LAWL!!!! _______
Frools The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 20:26:00 - [27] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr The Priory shot at me the other day, I was deeply shaken by the whole affair. FOR SHAME! if anyone thinks they were unfairly attacked by a priory member feel free to evemail waywatcher for reimbursement. thanks
GO MaZ The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.06 21:19:00 - [28] Originally by: Frools if anyone thinks they were unfairly attacked by a priory member feel free to evemail waywatcher for reimbursement. thanks Oh man you're so ******* screwed when way finds this thread after a hail of convo requests And phrixus, our guns were loaded with love
sdeer	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:32:00 - [29] Originally by: maGz We're pirates because we shoot neutrals in 0.0? The problem is that you shoot neutrals in other people's territory, and camp it. Now if this isn't piracy, what is? Piracy is killing ships that belong to others for profit, with no other motive than ganking them for their mods and thrill of the chase. So you may stop with the "there is not law" bs right here and now.
Arrgs Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:02:00 - [30] Edited by: Arrgs on 07/01/2007 06:59:10 Originally by: sdeer Originally by: maGz We're pirates because we shoot neutrals in 0.0? The problem is that you shoot neutrals in other people's territory, and camp it. Now if this isn't piracy, what is? Killing poor helpless miners in low-sec while screaming YARR alot, drinking some rum, and wearing an eyepatch while your parrot insults the victim. My first video!
gusta The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:10:00 - [31] Edited by: gusta on 07/01/2007 07:07:44 Originally by: sdeer Originally by: maGz We're pirates because we shoot neutrals in 0.0? The problem is that you shoot neutrals in other people's territory, and camp it. Now if this isn't piracy, what is? Piracy is killing ships that belong to others for profit, with no other motive than ganking them for their mods and thrill of the chase. So you may stop with the "there is not law" bs right here and now. Well i guess im not a pirate becuase i dont care about the loot or isk. i do it becuase i like seeing pretty blue explosions on my screen
sdeer	Posted - 2007.01.07 08:07:00 - [32] In the meantime I would like to warn everybody to treat IAC as you would treat your commonplace local pirates. Their boys are colorblind until you talk to their superiors. I think all that rum and parrots must be getting to their heads. Or perhaps it is their egoes that have flourished so much with the recent unfolding of the events.
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.01.07 08:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Arrgs Piracy doesn't exist in 0.0 Oh but it does... If you overtake a ship in unclaimed territory, destroy it, murder her captain, plunder the cargo and strip the carcass bare - all in the name of profit, what else is it an act of?... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
herasin White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2007.01.07 14:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Gabriel Karade Originally by: Arrgs Piracy doesn't exist in 0.0 Oh but it does... If you overtake a ship in unclaimed territory, destroy it, murder her captain, plunder the cargo and strip the carcass bare - all in the name of profit, what else is it an act of?... Fun?
matty01 The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.07 16:01:00 - [35] man, now i got taht stupid pirate song in my head do what you want cause a pirate is free, yooou are a pirate! to early for this :( __________________________
Duke Grail Darkblade Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.07 17:43:00 - [36] What's so hard to understand... this is a warzone, anyone who was neutral left 3 weeks ago. You are either red, a scout of an enemy, a scout of a friend, or blue. we have adjusted our policy accordingly for the duration of the war. we are NBSI right now in space that we claim. "If there were more people like us... there'ed be more people like us"
Bacilius The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.07 20:20:00 - [37] Hi Stephra, Thank you for your questions. Yes, it is true The Priory are a former member corp of the IAC, however I don't believe you have done much research into your question if you believe them to be a 'hauler-ganking pirate corp'. The Priory are a highly-skilled PvP corp and their alliance Shroud of Darkness is a friendly entity to IAC pilots. The reasons for this friendship are many (I would count a sense of loyalty and respect to their allies high on the list) however it was The Priory's membership and assistance during the IAC's darkest hours of Prohibition I that created the ties you speak of in your post. It was a clear sign of that respect when The Priory elected to leave IAC ranks voluntarily at the McFix departure. IAC is and always has been the firmest believer in NRDS in its claimed space and it is no secret that this policy would never fit with the desires of The Priory pilots. While our alliances practice a vastly different policy on the treatment of neutrals in 0.0, this has not detracted for the respect we have gained for each other as pilots and players. Let me also make it perfectly clear to you on our policy. IAC are one of very few alliances that maintain a peace-time policy of NRDS in their space. Our alliance was built on free-space policy, not some cheap attempt at 'neutrality' a.k.a. ISS and their 'hands off/ please dont fight on our doorstep/ its bad for business' approach. IAC claim and defend their space aggressively and in times of peace, this certainly includes the active defense of neutrals travelling through our space. This will not change. It is only on two occasions that we have had to vary that policy due to large scale conflict, and unfortunately, one of those occasions is now. I trust you will understand that in a major conflict where Outpost sovereignty and assets are threatened, the casual neutral observer will be classed as unwelcome from all parties to the conflict. Furthermore, due to the varying ownership of Outposts in the region, neutrals can't be guaranteed access to stations for market purposes. IAC leadership are committed to re-opening IAC space to neutral parties at the earliest opportunity following the resolution of this conflict. I am sure you will find that all alliances blue to IAC, SOD included, will continue to respect IAC policy of NRDS in IAC space. Once we have declared a return to this policy, please feel free to contact myself or Kaylana Syi immediately should you be attacked by any entity in IAC space and the matter will be dealt with. On a side note, I am quite happy to talk to you about capital production, though your inference regarding -A- seems to imply some sort of underhanded relationship and is quite ignorant tbh. I am sure -A- are quite capable of supplying their alliance needs, as are IAC. I hope this answers some of your questions? Feel free to convo me in-game if you have any further queries. Originally by: sdeer In the meantime I would like to warn everybody to treat IAC as you would treat your commonplace local pirates. Their boys are colorblind until you talk to their superiors. I think all that rum and parrots must be getting to their heads. Or perhaps it is their egoes that have flourished so much with the recent unfolding of the events. PWYM NB Bac Diplomat IAC
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.07 20:56:00 - [38] Would you like a biased opinion? There is no piracy in 0.0. Just politics.
Ackaroth Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.07 21:13:00 - [39] Edited by: Ackaroth on 07/01/2007 21:10:13 Well said, Bacilius. Props to IAC for having a damn fine diplomat who can respectfully give you the information you desire :) Doh just remembered I'm in scope. Well, that sucks, maybe he wont get this compliment. Might just have to evemail him. I need to get back in a corp fast! :)
Kaylana Syi Minmatar The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Ackaroth Edited by: Ackaroth on 07/01/2007 21:10:13 Well said, Bacilius. Props to IAC for having a damn fine diplomat who can respectfully give you the information you desire :) Doh just remembered I'm in scope. Well, that sucks, maybe he wont get this compliment. Might just have to evemail him. I need to get back in a corp fast! :) That cuts me deep. Team Minmatar Carriers need Clone Vats
Coby Descent ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:10:00 - [41] IAC are commendable for being one of the few alliances who run a NRDS policy most of the time, however, at a time of war, it is perfectly understandable for them to run NBSI; this risk of npc alt scouts it makes it militarily unfeasible. I also don't think IAC have ever claimed to be anti-pirate, they just don't pirate themselves. Best advise I can give you is that if you see a big blob of orange on the map, don't go there.
Ackaroth Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:54:00 - [42] Originally by: Kaylana Syi That cuts me deep. Not sure I understand why what I said cuts you deep...
Linavin Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:33:00 - [43] Originally by: Ackaroth Originally by: Kaylana Syi That cuts me deep. Not sure I understand why what I said cuts you deep... Pssst, Kaylana is our other diplomat ---
Ackaroth Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.08 02:48:00 - [44] Ah well, didnt mean to step on any toes. I just noticed that the former presented the answer well, and I commend him for his doing his job well. Many diplomats dont seem to do it all that great.
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.08 03:18:00 - [45] Originally by: Coby Descent IAC are commendable for being one of the few alliances who run a NRDS policy most of the time, however, at a time of war, it is perfectly understandable for them to run NBSI; this risk of npc alt scouts it makes it militarily unfeasible. I also don't think IAC have ever claimed to be anti-pirate, they just don't pirate themselves. Best advise I can give you is that if you see a big blob of orange on the map, don't go there. Yea i've been running a noob corps alt (just not in a shuttle) round jzv for months now and not been popped once, ofc these days the alt is rarely found off the bar in g7 while nbsi is in effect, but just to back it up, all in all IAC are bang up straight in not popping any neutrals, course you have to survive the journey there first, and thats a whole different kettle of fish Originally by: Wrangler That is an outright lie! We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Bach Caldari Tyrell Corp	Posted - 2007.01.08 06:49:00 - [46] Originally by: Azzaa Is it piracy to shoot ones enemys? no. Is it piracy to be friends with pirates? no. we nbsi in our own space during wars only after then everyone who isnt hostile is welcome to come dock in out stations and buy our stuff :) If the enemy doesn't know he is your enemy....then you might be a pirate. It is NOT piracy to be friends with a pirate....thats called being an accompliss.
Bacilius The Tidemark Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.08 08:33:00 - [47] Originally by: Bach Originally by: Azzaa Is it piracy to shoot ones enemys? no. Is it piracy to be friends with pirates? no. we nbsi in our own space during wars only after then everyone who isnt hostile is welcome to come dock in out stations and buy our stuff :) If the enemy doesn't know he is your enemy....then you might be a pirate. It is NOT piracy to be friends with a pirate....thats called being an accompliss. Spoken honestly, by the former leader of the former pirates that formerly inhabited the space now formally claimed by the Shroud of Darkness. Yes, Bach my old friend, you may be a pirate if your victim doesn't realise he is a target. However we both know the general travel rules in 0.0 space. In CC's case, tread lightly and carry a cloak No, Bach, a friendship does not an accomplice make, unless the friend is complicit in deed and design. How does the saying go? A hard friend is good to find?

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