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ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:21:00 - [1] Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:18:42 Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:17:43 You know the drill ME slots have not been increased in proportion to the population increase as we yet again break a new player record. Community comebacks will be, get a pos set up a lab more slots will just get filled instantly responses to those points are not everyone that wants to research is able to setup a pos, it is the research veterans that are using most of the ME slots most of those have the ability to setup pos labs but don't due to the fact they only have 1 slot per function per lab. It would be nice if they lead by example and move over to pos research but ain't gonna happen. to the more slots will just get filled instantly.... if that was truly the case all the ME slots would have been filled constantly when the population was 10k we all know that wasn't the case so anyone with that kinda come back is talking complete bs. some options for solving the situation pick and mix between them. 1. Change the research and manufacturing slot system completely introduce an algorithm such that it takes the peak weekly population of a region and increases the number of slots available in proportion to that value until it reaches a max threshold point at which point it stops generating slots, this prevents everyone blobbing together in one region for research and encourages a natural spread but still compensates for high population regions. 2. Overhaul POS based research, firstly increase the base number of slots per pos not by many but enough to be realistic for corp usage but drop the time bonus. Second introduce an advanced mobile lab structure, with the time bonus and double the number of slots that are found on the new normal mobile lab. Also as a minor tag on idea find some way to allow slots to be rented publicly. 3. Introduce a CORP standing requirement (similar to jump clone requirement) to use more than 1 slot at a time. 4. Introduce an age limiter on the number of slots you can use so the older a player you are the fewer station slots you can use. This system favours someone just getting into research. There ya go feel free to jump in an suggest idea's Oh and people will flame, most of those are people that have the research system in their pocket already and don't want people cutting into their profits. Tough it happens. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Samirol Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:23:00 - [2] or go to low sec, there are ME slots there Tier 2 BS Lotto Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:28:00 - [3] Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:25:24 Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:25:04 Originally by: Samirol or go to low sec, there are ME slots there dude i live in lowsec in one of the most under populated regions in eve thats not 0.0, and theres not 1 free ME slot in the entire region Provide me with screenies of 10 independent locations in empire where there is 1 free ME slot and I'll start beliving ya Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:32:00 - [4] In the semi-accessible low sec zones, they are filled.
Ta chaina	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:33:00 - [5] If CCP does not want to add lab slots why not add a few more skills to make the time for doing ME/Copying/PE shorter. Then just set the lab use timer shorter so the slots cnt be used for four weeks like now. This would cut down the wait times I hope.
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:36:00 - [6] Isn't there already skills to reduce the time of researching? ___________________
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:38:00 - [7] Define "too few labslots". Perhaps there were too many before the population increased, and now there's about the right amount proportionately. Or perhaps this is one of the Empire pressures that was supposed to increase over time. Mostly devil's advocating, I've no strong feelings about the issue. If more slots were added though, I think the majority should go in underpopulated areas, and particularly LowSec. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:38:00 - [8] I know you already said it, but still- build a POS. Honestly. A small one costs, like, what, 50 mill a week to fuel? Seriously, its the only sensible answer. I know no-one wants to put any extra effort in to get something, but thats what this game is all about- you get what you want for putting the work in. If you don't want to / can't put the work in, thats what the regular slots are for- join the queue, and be happy. -----------------------------------------------
ForceM Gallente POS Builder Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:40:00 - [9] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Isn't there already skills to reduce the time of researching? Metalurgy .. but he means ANOTHER one ... knowing CCP i know that IF they would do that .. they would make it rank 16 ... like thats gonna get leveled. Me being a pessimist is a win-win situation: Either i am right .. or its even better then i said.
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:47:00 - [10] Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:46:00 Will people please stop going check lowsec.... people that are saying that seriously havent looked at the interface for science and industry lately it lists all ME slots in an entire region so its easy to check and there are very few to no ME slots available in any empire region. If you can't offer proof via screen shots simply saying theres some in low sec makes your opinion totally invalid. And again to the guy who brought up the point of pos researching cus the fuel only costs 50 mil.... go back and read the original post because you clearly didn't read more than the first 5 or so lines, this entire thing is about people new to research new to the game just getting into it who aren't going to have 50 mil a week to fork out on pos fuel. Oh and alot of queues now are in excess of a week, so again we come back to this issue of some newbie researcher that has his first set of bpo's that he wants to do some ME research should only take him a couple of hours... looks at the ME slots and see's it will take him a couple of weeks before they even start, newbie gives up been a researcher and becomes a pirate preying on you. :P Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Ta chaina	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:49:00 - [11] Originally by: ForceM Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Isn't there already skills to reduce the time of researching? Metalurgy .. but he means ANOTHER one ... knowing CCP i know that IF they would do that .. they would make it rank 16 ... like thats gonna get leveled. I dont think CCP would make it rank 16 maybe rank 5 would be more like it. We have learning that speeds all skill training up then we have 5 other skills to speed up training in one area, so why not the same kind of thing with lab use skills? Then CCP could add the rank 16 high end lab skills later.
Samirol Turbulent Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 22:57:00 - [12] Originally by: ToxicFire Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:25:24 Edited by: ToxicFire on 07/01/2007 22:25:04 Originally by: Samirol or go to low sec, there are ME slots there dude i live in lowsec in one of the most under populated regions in eve thats not 0.0, and theres not 1 free ME slot in the entire region Provide me with screenies of 10 independent locations in empire where there is 1 free ME slot and I'll start beliving ya you gotta wait, there never is and never should be free slots Tier 2 BS Lotto Contact mach'ett3 for all your sig needs
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:11:00 - [13] Originally by: ToxicFire Oh and alot of queues now are in excess of a week, so again we come back to this issue of some newbie researcher that has his first set of bpo's that he wants to do some ME research should only take him a couple of hours... looks at the ME slots and see's it will take him a couple of weeks before they even start, newbie gives up been a researcher and becomes a pirate preying on you. :P The newbie should join a corp that can offer him the service of using a starbase laboratory to do ME research. Or go into trading, buying low and selling high while his BPOs are being researched to get a good understanding of the market before jumping into production. ___________________
Ardent Rellik Gallente MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Ardent Rellik on 07/01/2007 23:15:47 Originally by: ToxicFire <stuff> get a pos set up a lab responses to those points are not everyone that wants to research is able to setup a pos, it is the research veterans that are using most of the ME slots most of those have the ability to setup pos labs but don't due to the fact they only have 1 slot per function per lab. It would be nice if they lead by example and move over to pos research but ain't gonna happen. <stuff> Erhm... a POS lab has: 3x ME, 3x PE, 1x Copy, 5x Invention Slots. Also, most "veteran" research players do have an access to a POS in one way or another. So, your comment is a fallacy, sorry. Now, as peeps mentioned before, the Lab Availability is just fine, if you want to wait. There should not be a 1 billion labs available. It creates competition.
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:26:00 - [15] If you don't "want" to get involved in a lab based POS, then you will "want" to wait for an empire based station slot to open up, yes? Trading 101
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Originally by: ToxicFire Oh and alot of queues now are in excess of a week, so again we come back to this issue of some newbie researcher that has his first set of bpo's that he wants to do some ME research should only take him a couple of hours... looks at the ME slots and see's it will take him a couple of weeks before they even start, newbie gives up been a researcher and becomes a pirate preying on you. :P The newbie should join a corp that can offer him the service of using a starbase laboratory to do ME research. Or go into trading, buying low and selling high while his BPOs are being researched to get a good understanding of the market before jumping into production. Thought one of the BIG THINGs about EVE was that it didn't force you down any route. ;) Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:35:00 - [17] Originally by: ToxicFire Originally by: Sovy Kurosei The newbie should join a corp that can offer him the service of using a starbase laboratory to do ME research. Or go into trading, buying low and selling high while his BPOs are being researched to get a good understanding of the market before jumping into production. Thought one of the BIG THINGs about EVE was that it didn't force you down any route. ;) It isn't forcing you. You can either wait the four weeks or hop on the fast track to a player corp, friends, corpmates, and jump the queue to research times! ___________________
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:36:00 - [18] You have the choice... Wait or deploy. Known Issues & Workarounds - The forum to fix the issues of Eve... Godhelp us if the Devs start trying to.
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:38:00 - [19] there are also a bunch of corps offering research at their pos equipment, at very reasonable rates. The forum is full of adds. Maybe one of them? Trading 101
Tareen Kashaar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:40:00 - [20] Just don't allow BPs to be researched past perfect ME efficiency. --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Eponine Astarte Industrial Holdings Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.07 23:40:00 - [21] lab slots and T2 prices are both related problems. They both came out with a certain number of players in Eve. Yet as the population exploded suddenly lab slots and T2 modules/ships became rarer/higher priced due to increased demand but fixed supply. CCP has deemed it appropriate to fix T2 prices through invention and a reseeding of the lottery in order to bring supply more in line with what demand used to be. I don't see why logically they should not do the same with station lab slots
Dumus Silver Service	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Samirol or go to low sec, there are ME slots there So wrong. Been there, tried that, no slots for weeks -Dumus-
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:17:00 - [23] Just did a quick survey of caldari space. No ME slot free, minimum wait is over 2 weeks averaging at 17 days Have screenies of every ME facility for proof aswell :) Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
Vanye Inovske Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:22:00 - [24] Heck, even in NPC 0.0 space the research slots are often all filled. A POS is really the only way to get any decent amount of ME research done.
Murph Dog The Flying Tigers Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:27:00 - [25] Let's just go back to renting a dedicated slot for yourself and have this argument again when prices hit 30,000,000 / month per slot..... i miss those days when the real estate channel meant something :P Everyone's Favorite Canadian Recruitment Propaganda!
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:28:00 - [26] Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 08/01/2007 00:24:54 First off, your info about POS labs is plain wrong, as others have already said. Second, why don't you already have access to POS labs? It's not like you're a newbie. Third, you can rent labs from plenty of seemingly trustworthy corps. OK that idea sucks really cos I don't trust anyone, so see first and second again. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:31:00 - [27] Originally by: ToxicFire Just did a quick survey of caldari space. No ME slot free, minimum wait is over 2 weeks averaging at 17 days Have screenies of every ME facility for proof aswell :) Mmm. There might be big money in renting out lab slots now. ___________________
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.08 00:38:00 - [28] Originally by: Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 08/01/2007 00:24:54 First off, your info about POS labs is plain wrong, as others have already said. Second, why don't you already have access to POS labs? It's not like you're a newbie. Third, you can rent labs from plenty of seemingly trustworthy corps. OK that idea sucks really cos I don't trust anyone, so see first and second again. Info about pos labs slightly wrong but my point still stands on other points Second tisn't about me tis about new players coming into research and not be able to do even the most basic bp's ME research without the kinda time needed to research some of the more advanced bp's Third trustworthy corps yuh right oh wait you agree with me on that. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Just don't allow BPs to be researched past perfect ME efficiency. Rofl that really doesn't mean a thing because everyone researchs under perfect ME anyway bcause perfect ME on alot of things takes over a year to acheive on higher stuff its even into insane figures for example The Raven assuming you have production efficiency 5 perfect ME is 1515526 With Metallurgy 5 thats just a little over 355201 Days... Roughly 972 and a half years (seriously who the heck thought these figures up it smacks of everything time based in eve never really intended to be completed to its full extent) Thats a slightly ridiculous example but it was to prove a point most people don't research past perfect ME efficieny. Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/
ToxicFire Warlords Corp The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.01.08 01:03:00 - [30] Originally by: Eponine Astarte lab slots and T2 prices are both related problems. They both came out with a certain number of players in Eve. Yet as the population exploded suddenly lab slots and T2 modules/ships became rarer/higher priced due to increased demand but fixed supply. CCP has deemed it appropriate to fix T2 prices through invention and a reseeding of the lottery in order to bring supply more in line with what demand used to be. I don't see why logically they should not do the same with station lab slots That has to be the most logical well put thought out post this evening you deserve a medal for hitting the nail on the head Join the save Stargate SG1 Campaign Today! http://savestargatesg1.com/

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