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stoicfaux
398
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:22:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Guard wrote:The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience! Thanks for being clear, admitting that you don't know and getting back to get the facts. I for one sure like this kind of corporate communication;)
No, no, no. You're doing it wrong. Allow me:
Not having an answer to an "obvious" question about gift remaps implies that CCP employees who play Eve aren't worried about remaps. Anyone who isn't concerned about remaps either can get remaps at will, has all stats maxed, or can get skills instantly. Thus CCP players are cheating (or cheating even more, depending on your point of view) because their characters benefit from an extreme in-game training advantage!
It's a scandal, I tell you!
You can tell me what to think when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Ghoest
25
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:27:00 -
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Maybe CCP could let us trade our saved up remaps for plex. Wherever You Went - Here You Are |

Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
31
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:29:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:The remap gift is being looked into, we should have news for you shortly. Thank you for your patience! Do. Not. Remove. |

Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:01:00 -
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Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options...  |

Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
122
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:10:00 -
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Jarin Arenos wrote:Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... 
Confirmed. The ****?
If I don't get my two stacked remaps come January I'm going to be pissy. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
54
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:10:00 -
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Free remap was way too generous anyway. The point of having stats at all seems to be pretty moot nowadays.
I for one would gladly take my ca-2 instead  2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |

Screenlag
Beyond The Gates Tri Sol Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:13:00 -
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haha, I was just about to ask what this error message meant when I couldn't find the remap after pressing continue. oh well, it's not like I could demand anything after crucible, I'm just to happy with eve right now lol. |

Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:14:00 -
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I'm just irritated that it apparently WAS on the list, but got removed before I got there. Waiting for CCP Guard to return before I get properly pissy about it though. |

Darryl Cotton
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:15:00 -
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Thanks everyone who bragged that they had 4 already *cough* akita |

Jeami
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:19:00 -
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What happens if we already picked the remap? |

Mysi
Get the Pod
2
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:20:00 -
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Maybe it's just temp disabled while they get a response to the OP question?
I just tried to select it for myself and it is not in the list however.
Patience is a virtue people...it's not the 22nd yet. |

Beaches
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:24:00 -
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EVERYONE FILE A PETITION!!!
I already picked the remap and now I won't get christmas.
Opening all of my petitions.
And you poor saps never got a chance to get a remap because you were too late, unjust. |

stoicfaux
398
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:25:00 -
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Jarin Arenos wrote:Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options... 
Ugh, well this is going to get ugly.
If the remap is added back but is morphed into a remap timer reset, people will get cranky.
If the removal is permanent, people will get cranky. People will then whine about aurum being the only 'logical' choice thus prompting people to replay the Nex store/Incarna drama, or how the free blocks crash the market, or how some gifts are more valuable, etc., and they will flood the forums with their righteous indignation.
If the remap is added back as a proper 2nd remap, then people who already selected their gift will need to be reset, which will result in petitions by people who got the "wrong" gift because they were unaware of the reset or weren't able to log back in to re-select their gift which then requires the already busy CCP brain trust to formulate a clear, formal policy on gift "resets/refunds" and have that policy implemented consistently by all GMs, which simply means that General Discussion will be filled with countless threads by a small but vocal group of players angry about getting screwed on the Christmas Gift.
tl;dr - CCP should have gotten feedback before going live with the gift list.
tl;dr;P.S. - CCP should know by now that most Eve players prefer and affiliate more with the pre-change-of-heart Grinch.
tl;dr;P.P.S. - Nothing is free. Even free gifts have a price and unintended consequences.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Bryant21
Interest Recovery Service
26
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:36:00 -
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I am sure all this will be cleared up soonGäó |

Wyte Ragnarok
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:38:00 -
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I'm busy crying. I really want a remap :( it's the only thing I could care about in that list :supersadface: |

JoostSkywalker
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:41:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Jarin Arenos wrote:Confirming remap has currently been removed from the list of options...  Ugh, well this is going to get ugly. If the remap is added back but is morphed into a remap timer reset, people will get cranky. If the removal is permanent, people will get cranky. People will then whine about aurum being the only 'logical' choice thus prompting people to replay the Nex store/Incarna drama, or how the free blocks crash the market, or how some gifts are more valuable, etc., and they will flood the forums with their righteous indignation. If the remap is added back as a proper 2nd remap, then people who already selected their gift will need to be reset, which will result in petitions by people who got the "wrong" gift because they were unaware of the reset or weren't able to log back in to re-select their gift which then requires the already busy CCP brain trust to formulate a clear, formal policy on gift "resets/refunds" and have that policy implemented consistently by all GMs, which simply means that General Discussion will be filled with countless threads by a small but vocal group of players angry about getting screwed on the Christmas Gift. tl;dr - CCP should have gotten feedback before going live with the gift list. tl;dr;P.S. - CCP should know by now that most Eve players prefer and affiliate more with the pre-change-of-heart Grinch. tl;dr;P.P.S. - Nothing is free. Even free gifts have a price and unintended consequences.
Remap is the only thing that does not influence market on this list, a remap just saves yah time on getting skills. Since people already take into account that you only have a certain amount of remaps the only people who probably will take most benefit out of it are new people who screw up with remaps because the tutorial tells them straight away how to remap and that they should do that. Or old players who only play 1 account and want to change their rempa oncemore then once a year.
The people complain about the impact of remaps are probably the people with a couple accounts they get with ingame money and have all their remaps straightened and because they have that many accounts they have their accounts very specialised and are not even in the need of remaps. Maybe they messed up their first account but not the other 6.
I do have multiple accounts and i care about the people who only can afford 1 account. And maybe i want to remap my first account too.
So just put the remaps back as a gift |

Elindreal
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:15:00 -
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as a noob, i screwed up my first remap so i had to use my 2nd remap
eve's learning curve is steep, my 2nd remap was a fairly even mapping. now that i know enough of the game it'd be nice to have another remap which i can use to properly plan my future as a pilot.
merry christmas? |

Jarin Arenos
Card Shark Industries
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:19:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:as a noob, i screwed up my first remap so i had to use my 2nd remap
eve's learning curve is steep, my 2nd remap was a fairly even mapping. now that i know enough of the game it'd be nice to have another remap which i can use to properly plan my future as a pilot.
merry christmas? This is where I'm at. I burned both within three months. I'd really like a proper remap that I could use... |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck
18
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:47:00 -
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i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up
the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.
outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.
implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).
fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously
aurum: dont care
faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.
drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters
i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen. |

Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
33
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:58:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.
Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag.
It was the true gift.
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1189

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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:09:00 -
[81] - Quote
Please find an update here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033&find=unread CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1390
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:23:00 -
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Hathrul wrote:i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up
the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.
outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.
implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).
fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously
aurum: dont care
faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.
drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters
i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen.
You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 18:24:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hathrul wrote:i would like to see the remap returned. though i dont really need it since i planned far far ahead for what i need, it gives me the option to do something i normally wouldnt do, like " waste" a remap for a full charisma setup to get leadership skills up
the other reason is that the rest simply isnt interesting. the destroyer stuff....i cant even remember last time i used one, and no, thats not a reason to try now. its nice if youre brand new, but an older player, even if just a year, wont have much use.
outliers: again, nice, but i got em all from previous years. theyre nice as collectors items, but lack any use what so ever.
implants: the ga-1 i recently got for free, thank you very much. on all my accounts as well. a +3 set....nice if youre new, but i always use +4 sets as near everyone i play with does, so no use (and yes, i live in 0sec).
fuels: when the bpo's were released we bought them by the dozens. its a nice gift if i had known in advance, now its pointless. and the fuelblocks....its enough for a day...i mean....seriously
aurum: dont care
faction ammo: kinda nice, but very low amount and many of the types you never use anyway.
drugs and quafe: kinda nice, though i still have the original quafe. i suppose ill go for the boosters
i know this sounds like whining, and maybe it is. however my main point is that in previous years we got something new, something kinda cool the 1st time. now we just get stuff we can already buy, and the value is very very low for a player that is more then a few months old. the 1 thing that actually had high value, because you cant buy it in game, can no longer be chosen. You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?
Did you actually expected something else ? |

stoicfaux
399
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:07:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:You're seriously complaining that your free gift isn't good enough?
No, he's pointing out that CCP's attempt to build good will with the Eve player base might not work. Which further implies that CCP shouldn't "waste" resources on gifts that "nobody" wants.
apology: I know it sounds a bit crass to say that, so my apologies to CCP. It's not my intent to denigrate our free gifts.
You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck
18
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:36:00 -
[85] - Quote
actually im saying that instead of something unique or special we now get something we can pick of the market for a few million isk. The remap was the only single thing that we couldnt just buy and therefor was a lot more interesting as a choice. |

Wyte Ragnarok
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
[What the above said. Also see:
Mioelnir wrote:It was the true gift. It really was. It was something that was unique. I really couldn't care much for 50m ISK (sorry CCP), but something like a remap was just awesome. I didn't select it the other day because I feared it wouldn't stack :( hope it gets reintroduced...
quote=CCP Guard]Please find an update here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=46033&find=unread[/quote]
Thanks for the update Guard, even if it's not quite what I was hoping for :( |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:53:00 -
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Just scrap the whole chose your present..
And instead gives us an suprise... So everyone can just shut up and enjoy..
hint : snowballs. |

Galatea Galilei
EVE University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:57:00 -
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Mioelnir wrote:Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag. If you believe "value" and "financial value" are equivalent in meaning, I suspect you're confused about what one of the words involved actually means, in this case, most likely "value". Something can be quite valuable while having no financial value. Absent the qualifier, "value" has a much more generalized meaning that is often closer to "usefulness" than "price", although even "useless" items (for practical purposes) often have great value. "Value" is a very broad word. "Financial value" is much smaller and narrower in meaning.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
117
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:59:00 -
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Galatea Galilei wrote:Mioelnir wrote:Since it could neither be bought nor sold, it actually did not have any value. There was no pricetag. If you believe "value" and "financial value" are equivalent in meaning, I suspect you're confused about what one of the words involved actually means, in this case, most likely "value". Something can be quite valuable while having no financial value. Absent the qualifier, "value" has a much more generalized meaning that is often closer to "usefulness" than "price", although even "useless" items (for practical purposes) often have great value. "Value" is a very broad word. "Financial value" is much smaller and narrower in meaning.
but in the end its all about money, thats why the world is so sad place to live. |

Velicitia
Open Designs
195
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Posted - 2011.12.13 19:59:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote: hint : snowballs.
^^This |
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