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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:00:00 -
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So... lets talk lean-mean-mining-machines...
Are they gonna come?
What will they be like?
What skills would be needed? (Advanced Starship Command, almost definitely)
Just how UBER would they be? Could they be used in 0.0 space only?
Could I get the first one please?
Ta. :)
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Gal'tashec
Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:13:00 -
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No. They would be isk magnets. They would have to be much better than a HULK since, well, they would be capital size. Anyone controlling space with an abundance of ore (larger alliances) would mine insane amouts per day. This would also mean more minerals on the market -> lower prices -> less profit for the average miner.
If they do come, then the skill requirements for them should be alot higher than for dreads and carriers, heck they should be right up there with titans. This all depends on HOW good the ship would be, but to me a CAPITAL industrial ship would be an ore monster and not a HULK with an extra highslot. --- Author of A guide to buying bookmarks |

Teinyhr
Minmatar United Systems Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Teinyhr on 08/01/2007 14:25:21 Hmm.. A mining Titan with Capital Mining Lasers? Able to suck dry a full veld-roid with single 160sec cycle? Gimme.
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DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:18:00 -
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The capital mining ship should be about the same as a mothership, with the ability to mine/refine and also have a factory to build ammo/mods/ships using BPC's you carry with you, etc...
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 08/01/2007 14:18:19 Wet pants.
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Capital mining ship doesn't neccesarry have to be a better miner than a Hulk, what makes it capital might be its included refinery or likewise. But sure I'd vote for the 8 Strip Miner turrets and Veldspar bonus any day!
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Wild Rho
Amarr Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter The capital mining ship should be about the same as a mothership, with the ability to mine/refine and also have a factory to build ammo/mods/ships using BPC's you carry with you, etc...
Aye, basically a capital industrial would be more of a support ship for other miners that an actual mining ship itself.
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:26:00 -
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i know this is noobish but when u all refer to motherships what are u referring to i cant see a ship class with this name and can only assume u mean carriers or dreads?????
or am i missing something here?
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:27:00 -
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Although i'd still like to see Capital Mining Lasers and fighter-sized mining drones, all the same 
Best way to give them a drawback is to make sure that, in order to activate their refinery (or whatever feature) they must turn on a siege-mode style mod- anchoring them in space for 10 minutes. That way using them will be a risk, still. -----------------------------------------------
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Splagada
Minmatar Tides of Silence
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag i know this is noobish but when u all refer to motherships what are u referring to i cant see a ship class with this name and can only assume u mean carriers or dreads?????
or am i missing something here?
it's the tier 2 carriers. those are carriers on steroids, and with the clone vat bay they are called motherships
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Teinyhr
Minmatar United Systems Navy
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xsag i know this is noobish but when u all refer to motherships what are u referring to i cant see a ship class with this name and can only assume u mean carriers or dreads?????
or am i missing something here?
They're under Carrier buttons, as they are basicly huge carriers with more support role given than a basic carrier. For example, Hel.
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:32:00 -
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Maybe it should suck at mining, but require lotsa skills and look cool so everyone thinks it's better. The haves will get one to use for about a week 'til it gets dull sucking at mining and the have-nots will ***** that CCP introduced them strictly as a 'rich people toy' simply because the players that built the first of the sucky capital mining ships, ships that will be very high in demand and low on supply, are setting the price waaaaay too high.
Then we'll have all kinds of threads about how to lower the price followed up by nooblets posting later that they wasted 1.2 bil ISK, their entire savings, on a ship that sucks at mining...and CCP should fix that, too.
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Xsag
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:34:00 -
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so for caldari it would be the wyvern :-)
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Miss Mickey
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Mickey on 08/01/2007 14:33:10 Capital Mining Ship (0.4 and lower only - travels like a freighter)
10% decrease in yield over a hulk, cargo same as hulk, onboard refinery - effectiveness affected by modules and skills - best refining better than best outpost, onboard Mineral Storage - 75K M3 - Removal Only (i.e mins from refining go here - can't put things into)
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 08/01/2007 14:34:36 I'm not so sure about capital sized mining ships, but mobile refineries would certainly be interesting.
In fact, weren't we promised that mobile refineries were just around the corner in 2003?
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:38:00 -
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Nice lot of responses :-)
Anyone know if the Devs have this on a board-of-drawing at all?
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Malicia Skirj
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:39:00 -
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Originally by: Admai Sket Nice lot of responses :-)
Anyone know if the Devs have this on a board-of-drawing at all?
The Devs know.
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Eldo Davip
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:40:00 -
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I think Chribba has some sort of Eve-Search highlight for Capital Mining Dread and Veldspar. He replies to these threads quicker than DS. ___
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Chribba on 08/01/2007 14:42:34
Originally by: Eldo Davip I think Chribba has some sort of Eve-Search highlight for Capital Mining Dread and Veldspar. He replies to these threads quicker than DS.
Hehe you think?  Actually you couldn't be closer, there EVE-Search spider sends me a notice on certain keywords so... hehe  
Originally by: Rodj Blake In fact, weren't we promised that mobile refineries were just around the corner in 2003?
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ToxicFire
Warlords Corp The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.08 14:53:00 -
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Looking at the drawing board and in development pages tells us. CCP says no. Beside refineries attached to ships would be quite unbalancing IF it ever comes around to capital mining ships I doubt it will have refinerys but it will have a skill set requirement similar to carriers plus a string of level 5 skills associated with mining. Say take halda's uber miner character skills set which produces the optimum miner add another + the carrier skills and add another 6 months of training on to that because you can use the base level of a capital mining ship
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Vanguard Frontiers Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 08/01/2007 14:18:19 Wet pants.
and edit/
Capital mining ship doesn't neccesarry have to be a better miner than a Hulk, what makes it capital might be its included refinery or likewise. But sure I'd vote for the 8 Strip Miner turrets and Veldspar bonus any day!
To be Honest - A Capital Mining ship should only be able to mine veld and other low ends. Since they can only be in lowsec/0.0, nobody mines veld there, there is a demand for a low end miner that can actually have a functional use insted of a isk printer. Even is it makes as much isk/hour as a hulk mining crokite - it sounds like a functional asset to have. --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE |

DarkMatter
Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 08/01/2007 14:18:19 Wet pants.
and edit/
Capital mining ship doesn't neccesarry have to be a better miner than a Hulk, what makes it capital might be its included refinery or likewise. But sure I'd vote for the 8 Strip Miner turrets and Veldspar bonus any day!
To be Honest - A Capital Mining ship should only be able to mine veld and other low ends. Since they can only be in lowsec/0.0, nobody mines veld there, there is a demand for a low end miner that can actually have a functional use insted of a isk printer. Even is it makes as much isk/hour as a hulk mining crokite - it sounds like a functional asset to have.
It would simply be silly to restrict what type of ore a ship can and cannot mine...
It's up to the player/corp/alliance to determine what they want to mine with it, not CCP, lol.
If we don't want to give the capital miner the ability to refine, then let it hook up to a POS and allow it to refine the ore in it's hold. Allow it to refine at higher efficiency as well, based on skills.
Allow it to link up to the POS and manufacture anything the corp has in it's BP hangar at outpost/station, etc... Or BPC's/BPO's carried by the ship.
However, I really would like to see a true mobile refine/manufacture platform...
It should be like the mothership in HW, able to collect resources from mining ships, then refine ore, manufacture and output ships & the like.
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Aenigma
Drones of Annihilation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:25:00 -
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Hmm, capital mining ships. While capital mining ships might sound cool, i just don't see it work that well. They might be worth it if it has a mobile refinery, but it shouldn't mine much faster than a Hulk. Belts evaporate fast enough using Hulks anyway.
What I'd like to see is a Hulk/Battlecruiser hybrid. It mines like a Hulk, uses gang modules and serves as the tank at the same time. It saves you a battlecruiser or battleship that's just sitting there in the belt doing very little. Plus, it's just cool (and gives most of the old-time miners something to train for). --------------------------------------------
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Admai Sket
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Chribba Edited by: Chribba on 08/01/2007 14:18:19 Wet pants.
and edit/
Capital mining ship doesn't neccesarry have to be a better miner than a Hulk, what makes it capital might be its included refinery or likewise. But sure I'd vote for the 8 Strip Miner turrets and Veldspar bonus any day!
To be Honest - A Capital Mining ship should only be able to mine veld and other low ends. Since they can only be in lowsec/0.0, nobody mines veld there, there is a demand for a low end miner that can actually have a functional use insted of a isk printer. Even is it makes as much isk/hour as a hulk mining crokite - it sounds like a functional asset to have.
Oooh - sounds useful! And not a massive money maker - but i suppose it would promote the mass building of ****e loads of big ships all over the place!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:25:00 -
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Maybe not restrict the ores but give bonus to some?  And pretty please allow it to be in Amarr with my family haha
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Montaire
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:25:00 -
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Capital Mining poses a few problems.
The gist is that a Capital Mining Ship shouldnt mine more than a hulk, it should be a support and logistic ship. So it would go into the belt, enter its own seige mode, and that would help everyone else.
A lot has been bandied around about a Capital Mining Array that you would have to fit special mining crystals to. It would have 3-4 regular mining lasers, and one of these Mining Arrays. The mining array would inhale low end minerals, but crystals for high ends would be a rare item, and the crystal is allways consumed with use.
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Xtro 2
Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:41:00 -
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add the ancient never released mobile refinery module for a carrier, and use the carriers drones to mine, refine the stuff and chuck the refined materials into the carrier's corp hangar.
failing that, just use mining drones on a carrier right now, thats all carriers are good for, giant mobile instajump indies.
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Lucio
Gallente UK Corp Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.08 15:45:00 -
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Well, you're not *far* off having a capital mining vessel in the form of a carrier. They tank well, they fit command modules, they act as support via the use of fighters and drones. They even have a decent sized cargo bay to help with the hauling.
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Khes
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:09:00 -
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The thought of a giant industrial city-sized ship is kind of cool. Think of a capital miner with huge capacity, dronebay and a built in refinery. A swarm of fighter-sized mining-drones eating away on the roids, and out comes pure minerals refined and ready for the haulers to move on.
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:24:00 -
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Im with Chribba here.
A capital mining ship would in reality be fairly poor at mining, I very much doubt such a one would be better than a Hulk, it would however very probably have a number of other bonuses, for example it could have the already coded but never put in ore compacting capability, it was to be released for the original POS's but was scrapped when CCP dropped that as a station in favor of arrays.
Other things it could have is a decent drone bay and have enough power and CPO to fit drone boosting eq that are designed for carriers.
Also the ship woull be able to defend itself against just about any NPC spawn with ease and even survive PC encounters solo, somthing that is close to impossible with a Hulk.
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EvilBlade
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Posted - 2007.01.08 16:26:00 -
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Just make a Ore titan, name of the ship ...Unicron 
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